Why the hell is Detroit so messed up? Why is their crime rate so high?

[chrisbigman]

[Starrk]

Many ignorant people will say "Because of black people". However the cause is much more deeper then a simple demographic.

Detroit from 1910 to 1950 was synonymous with automobile and their economy was thriving off of it. However, these industries in an attempt to avoid paying higher taxes and wages begin to outsource jobs to other countries or areas outside of Detroit for a much cheaper price. This caused the job opportunities in Detroit to decline. With the decline of job opportunities along with rising racial tension and race riots between blacks and whites, the affluent members of the city begin to flee to the newly devlop suburbs.

With the affluent members of the inner city gone this left the uneducated, poverty stricken citizens stuck in the city by themselves. With no job opportunities on the horizon, there were no chances of advancing up the social later. With no other perceivable option left, these poor people begin to resort to crime and reliance on gangs and drugs.

Corrupt politicians would then give the non-affluent citizens false hopes of increasing their financial state in an attempt to get elected into office. Once in office these politicians didn't do shit. Matter of fact they exasperated the problem by hemorrhaging money from the city in an attempt to fill up their own pockets. With little help from the State and the Federal Government, Detroit began to plummet to its now current state.

So corruption, outsourcing of jobs, racism, white flight, black flight, no aid from state/government and the fleeing of businesses elsewhere are all the factors that caused Detroit's current problem.

[chrisbigman]

Certainly makes sense. We need to figure out how to turn this around.

[Fugue]

For as many reasons as you want it to be, depending on how deep you want to get into it. If you have a bias, it will be for simple reasons, blamed on groups you don't like.

But in my view, the corruption had something to do with it, both public and private sector. Also didn't help that the manufacturing sector left that place jobless after they shipped all the jobs overseas, after getting tax breaks and promising jobs.

[chrisbigman]

I don't have a bias. I'm looking for the truth.

[Anonymous]

Whoa, whoa whoa. Hold on. Detroit isn't messed up, first of all. They are simply one of the most popular states known for not having enough jobs or being held of discrimination against them. Second, they aren't messed up. They are trying to make a living for themselves. Finally, their crime rate is high because they have to result to things in order to survive. I am not defending crime, I am just saying your words could easily offend someone who was from Detroit.

[chrisbigman]

Detroit isn't a state. It's a city. Crime is never the answer, no matter what. If I was in the same situation, I still wouldn't commit crime.

[Opinion Owner]

So die or try and survive. I highly doubt you would choose die.

[chrisbigman]

I would try and survive, but I would die before I commit any crimes.

[Opinion Owner]

I would highly doubt so, but keep your wording correct.

[chrisbigman]

You can doubt all you want, but I know what kind of person I am.

[linkywinky]

I mean the last two times I've been in Detroit it actually wasn't bad at all. Granted, I was on the wealthier side of Detroit (Bloomfield Hills).

I dunno, I'm definitely thankful to have been born and raised in Grand Rapids instead of Detroit, though.

[chrisbigman]

I'm hoping it improves and that the crime goes down.

[Anonymous]

Because no one has jobs there or an education. They don't give a fuck

[chrisbigman]

I guess so. But why not move somewhere else where there are jobs?

[Kinstrome]

For years it's had policies that have bankrupted its citizens. Middle-class or wealthy people move out. There is little reason to grow or even maintain a business in Detroit. The government that is elected in promises wealth to the lower classes, so the largely poor population continues to vote them in.

Crime is just a side effect of that. It's a problem not unique to Detroit. It happens in many large cities.

[chrisbigman]

I know. But Detroit is especially bad.

[Mistnigqa808]

If and when an MF ain't got shit, guess what? They're going to go try and get it at any means necessary. Which is usually via committing a #crime. Since they ain't got anything better do nor #Hope because poverty is a bottomless pit like Twista them said LOL.

[Mistnigqa808]

I"m from St Louis so I know that 1st hand LOL

[chrisbigman]

Well, then that MF better be ready to be shot. I ain't afraid to use either of my guns (.45 semi-auto and a 12 gauge). What I don't understand why those same MFs can't work for it. I work for my place and food and guns. Why can't they do the same? Are they lame lazy-asses? It sure as hell seems like they are!!! Maybe they should stop being a pathetic "victim" and get a job. Last I checked, anyone that has a work ethic can get a job. Suggest someone to give you a chance.

[Mistnigqa808]

They got guns too and they'll whack ya in an instant LOL #WhoCares? #YouCanDieTooYouArentSpecial

Most of them do probably work... just min wage jobs though which isn't enough to do anything these days it seems. Now you're probably going to say that they should " go to college".

But here's the thing though, not only couldn't most of them make the grades, where would they get the money from? If they get a loan on top of failing at college OH BOY they're fucked... since not only wouldn't they be able to afford a place to live they'd still have to pay off those loans, right? So what you think is going to happen? Yeah that's right they're going to commit a #crime, #suicide or go #homeless

Also what happens when you have 6k people (unemployed) with only 2k job opening? Wouldn't about 4k people starve then?

[Mistnigqa808]

You can't call them lazy without knowing them, right? LOL. Now let's just say that someone magically threw them a 15$ hour. I can guarantee they'd happily work it without a complaint but if they said "NOO I'M OKAY" then and only then could you just mark them off as lazy bums IMHO

Get of your high horse LOL

[chrisbigman]

I know I can die, but it's 50/50 - either me or them will die. Is that something they are willing to chance on? I'm certainly not slow on the trigger by any means. But I disagree. I believe I am special. I worked a minimum wage back in my day. How am I any different? I ended up taking a transfer to a different dept. If they want to go to college, that’s up to them. I’d suggest community college, as that’s much cheaper. They get the money from the jobs. Stay at home until you can save up enough. Don’t party yet. Don’t have kids yet. Don’t drink yet. Don’t do drugs yet. Not getting the grades is mostly from either drinking, doing drugs, having kids, or being in a gang (or a mix of all of them). Don’t get a loan. Pay for it as you go (earn from job). Don’t move out of mama’s house until you can afford a place. That’s the point of making decisions when you become an adult. Should you go to school or just buy your place? Continued...

[chrisbigman]

I was in the same boat 10+ years ago. Don’t move out yet. Stay with mama until you save up. It shouldn’t take long if you are frugal with your money. I just bought my own place 3 years ago, and now I have a mortgage. Now I can enjoy my life the way I see fit. That was after I went to a 2 year community college, and worked my way up the job ladder. I agree that the economy situation sucks now and has sucked for a while. But that’s why we need to out all of those idiots in Congress and vote in people who will actually not work for the corporations.

[Mistnigqa808]

Well can't argue with you there and I #Agree with you on the drugs, gangs, kids thing ^_^.

You should write a MyTake on this whole topic.

[chrisbigman]

Maybe I will.

[chrisbigman]

Correct. But I can if all they will do is commit crimes just to get what they want and won't be willing to work for it - at least honestly. You won't start at $15 an hour. Everyone (including myself) starts at the bottom. I started at minimum wage (7 even, to be exact). People need to work at it. If they want to make more, then move up. Transfer to a different department. Take a promotion.

I don't have a high horse. I wouldn't mind having a horse one day, but it ain't gonna be today.

[Riggers]

Poor governing > City declares bankruptcy > Public services unavailable (You litteraly can only call 911 at certain times of the day) > People can't get jobs > People resort to crime / drugs for money.

[Mistnigqa808]

"You litteraly can only call 911 at certain times of the day" Dang that's messed up and I never knew that.

[chrisbigman]

That's why you need to hold your government accountable. Those in office need to be outed and maybe even investigated if they took bribes from corporations. Vote in people that are actually honest. I know it's easier said then done, but I don't think it's impossible. Anything is possible. Just work at it - together.

[Not_Helping]

It's far, far more complex than this.

[chrisbigman]

Try to simplify it for me please, if it's so complex.

[Riggers]

It's not as easy ah just "work it out together", simple fact is, Detroit needs some SERIOUS bail out money, and no one is willing to provide that money

[chrisbigman]

Yeah. It certainly didn't help that the idiots trashed the city in the first place.

[Riggers]

Detroit use to be an industrial powerhouse of the US, back in ww2 / Cold War Detroit produced almost all of Americas tanks, and when the level of industry was no longer needed, the factories closed and mass unemployment followed :/

[chrisbigman]

I'm guessing the rest of the country will be facing the same fate.

[ThatBritishLad]

Adam Jensen hasn't been born yet.
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[TravisG]

Back when Detroit had a riot in the 70's businesses move out after that and it never been a lot of jobs there. So people will take to survive, sell drugs, or hustle and all of that come with violence.

[chrisbigman]

Why was there a riot?

[Anonymous]

because it is a cesspool of corrupt politics and liberal policies.

[chrisbigman]

Well, it's not just in Detroit. Corrupt politics and liberal policies are also in Washington (DC).

[Opinion Owner]

yes. I think you can look at Greece and Detroit and see the US in the future... if we don't change US economic and domestic policies.

[chrisbigman]

Yep...

[Anonymous]

Grab a snack. You'll need it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

[KDA20]

The bankruptcy might have a lot to do with the current crime rate

[Anonymous]

There's a line here where I live, Cleveland, that goes "Cleveland, at least we're not Detroit". You have to understand the midwests history, in order to understand why Detroit and Cleveland, are so bad, Detroit being worse

[9mfeo]

Isn't Detroit the city that went bankrupt?

[chrisbigman]

I believe it did, yes.

[9mfeo]

Doesn't it follow, to you, that a bankrupt city won't be able to provide any services to its citizens who will then turn to crime?

[chrisbigman]

I suppose. But it's a shame that it no longer is there, so to speak.

[9mfeo]

It was preventable, true, but there's no changing the past.

[chrisbigman]

True. But there is changing the future - for the better.

[9mfeo]

Yes, and there is always hope for that until everyone dies or leaves.

[Not_Helping]

Black people, amirite?

[chrisbigman]

I don't know. I don't live there. Blacks live other places, not just Detroit.

[Not_Helping]

That's usually the answer given by any number of people.

The actual answer is due to it's crumbling political (and physical) infrastructure as well as it's economic decay after GM left.

[chrisbigman]

Then those people should leave and go to the next town. They shouldn't be so dumb and risk their lives by robbing people!!!

[Not_Helping]

Detroit is dying because of said Exodus. However those who have and own property and stake in the city can't exactly leave.

[chrisbigman]

Maybe cut their losses and move on?

[Not_Helping]

That only makes sense when you are either young or have somewhere to move to. It's the same reason you don't just quit your job and move to another country "in hopes of a better life" today.

[chrisbigman]

Tell that to the founders of our country. They left Britain and came to America.

[Not_Helping]

I have a feeling you don't recognize that all of the founding fathers were actually rather wealthy...

[chrisbigman]

It shouldn't matter. They were moving on for a better life. They could have ended up in a place where they were poor.

[chrisbigman]

***considered poor.

[Not_Helping]

Well moving is a lot easier when you're not poor.

[chrisbigman]

That's true.

[Not_Helping]

Wait, are you suggesting that the founding fathers weren't actually born in America? Because they were.

[chrisbigman]

Okay, the founding fathers' relatives and their generation.

[Not_Helping]

America was "discovered" in 1492. America's independence was announced in 1776. There were a few grandpas there. As for the whole moving thing most of those people had religious convictions that would have simply gotten them executed if they stuck around.

[chrisbigman]

Religious convictions? People staying in Detroit are being executed in a LOT more of a subtle and quiet (and loud) way. They have humanitarian convictions - staying alive.

[Not_Helping]

Well the Death of Detroit is actually a very complex issue that's been in the making for years based on a lot of fragile decisions but I'm positive this is not the place for intelligent socio-economic discussion so... Ja ne.

[chrisbigman]

I would rather have the conversation. I guess I gotta go look somewhere else for it.

[thatkaruguy]

They need batman

[I_am_repulsive]

Corruptions

[blondfrog]

Hood rats hood rats