Christians, when does God give a soul to the unborn?

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Psalm 127:3-5a
“Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one’s youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them!”

The fruit of the womb is a reward?

Does this passage refer to the unborn? 🧐

[Anonymous]

Soul is individualized spirit. YOU DON'T HAVE A SOUL; YOU ARE A SOUL. Everything is spirit. Literally, everything. Spirit=Energy=God
The world of form is called Mass. Form is nothing for a mass of energy. Look up Kirlian photography. Anyway, there is no point where soul or spirit isn't present. There is only 1 life that exist. It's complicated.
Einstein's greatest equation, E = mc2, is a triumph of the power and simplicity of fundamental physics. Matter has an inherent amount of energy to it, mass can be converted (under the right conditions) to pure energy, and energy can be used to create massive objects that did not exist previously.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it is omnipresent and omnipotent. This is because it is God. You are made in the image of God. You are a mass of energy. The intelligent God it is. It takes our smartest men/women to figure out but a bit of God. God works by Law. God is the Law. God's modus operandi is the Law. Not mans laws but Gods Law. All the Laws of nature a connected because they really are but 1 Law. God.

[Asker]

So when I became a soul?
Lol
At which point. When I was a zygote?

[Opinion Owner]

When did you become individualized spirit? The moment you began taking form. You can look toward science on that particular subject for the specifics. I do not know. When mass comes into play, you are individualized spirit. We know 1st cause is in spirit though so you could say even before mass. There really is no good reason in knowing, in my opinion.

[purplepoppy]

Until quite recently churches would refuse Christian burials to children who died before being christened. The church taught that these babies would burn in Hell. Given high infant mortality parents would rush to get their child Christened asap. Those unfortunate enough not to be christen in time were simply discarded in lakes and rivers.

[Exterminatore]

That sounds very Catholic or it’s twin sister, Anglican.

I reject those teaching and so do and did most Protestants.

[AviatorTom]

You'll have to ask God that. I have no idea when a human gets a soul. Could be sometime when in the womb, could be at the moment of birth, could be sometime later, maybe when baptized.

Your question is biased in that it assumes the embryo/fetus in the womb has a soul at some time. There's no evidence of that, and religious scholars have debated that for centuries.

[Asker]

How can a human being be alive without a soul?

[AviatorTom]

I was taught that animals don't have souls, yet they are alive. Why the difference for humans?

[Asker]

Because animals don't go to heaven after they die as they don't have souls.
How could we go to heaven without souls?

[AviatorTom]

According to Christian tradition, the bodies of both Jesus and his mother Mary both ascended into heaven.

[Asker]

Yes that is why his body disappeared.

[angeltiny0]

As serious as your questions are I'm laughing thank you for this. Because questions is what God expects us to do and humans he says I hide a thing on earth images of the glory of you to find the things that he has hidden behind every question on things hitting an answer

[angeltiny0]

From what I understand the soul is a sign to the body that is it that it is in excuse me and if the soul should happen to not be with the body for a moment's time as long as you are alive your soul will find you anywhere in the entire world and you will exist without a soul for a moment but it will find you and get back into it to sign house Temple outhouse body LOL

[angeltiny0]

I'm taught that animals are at the gate of heaven so as long as they're there I have a chihuahua named angel I love I ever chihuahua named Rudy I have a Chihuahua that my ex wrote that the woman who taught me love she loves all animals in the entire world and likewise for me so they're at the gates of having the Bible says and that works I'm cool with that

[ChrisMaster69]

Okay a lot of people are saying the baby has a soul in the womb.

or at birth.

fair enough.

question though, why are still born, unbaptised babies not buried in grave yards?

why is Cilliní a thing?

Why does the church not hold much by unbaptised babies? Why no church burials for foetuses?

Or does the Soul actually matter so little?

[Asker]

Aborted and miscarried fetuses are used for other purposes.

[ChrisMaster69]

Does not answer the question.

Why were still born not buried on church grounds

[Asker]

Ask those people. Their will not mine. They are not God. They are people like you and me.

[ChrisMaster69]

Lmao
That’s the Church.

While you are banging your drum look at the persecution of those souls by the church.

[Asker]

The church is a building.

[ChrisMaster69]

It’s English it refers to an establishment

For example The Orthodox Church, it’s not referring to a building, it refers to an entity.

[Asker]

Ok. Are they God?

[ChrisMaster69]

@marish01 ask your specific denomination, they are Gods instruments on earth.

I gather you are okay with Slavery then?

The Bible is very much pro slavery.

You can’t really just pick the odd bit and say ‘unless you do this you are wrong’, you have to accept it all.

Want the 10 commandments, well you have to accept the rest of it.

The question was why do people, the religious establishment, the people in this question, place such reverence on the soul, but then deny the vessel of that soul a burial on church grounds?

It’s obviously not as important as people are making out,

[Asker]

How are they God's instruments on earth?
Everyone is free to be a part of the church. Doesn't mean they set God's rules.

[ChrisMaster69]

Okay, you give yourself spiritual guidance, that’s fair enough.

I never realised you had read old and new testaments, and worked out what the meaning behind the words meant in a modern situation.

[Asker]

I haven't read the old testament but I noticed how Christians change some passages just to justify their lifestyles. I have talked to such Christians and realized they intentionally misinterpret just to fit their narrative.
I think this is worse than atheists' blasphemy.

[ChrisMaster69]

@marish01 exactly

It’s at times a book of hypocrisy

[loveslongnails]

There is no soul assigned to a baby at the time of conception.

[ChrisMaster69]

@loveslongnails when is it then?

[ChrisMaster69]

@loveslongnails I don’t do DMs from questions, If you are going to make comments on here, you stick to one here or basically don’t comment,

The question is when does God give a soul to the unborn , and your Answer Is?

[loveslongnails]

My answer is not after there is a heartbeat like the law in Texas says, and not during the first trimester.

[ChrisMaster69]

@loveslongnails at birth then?

[loveslongnails]

No, not at birth. Much later, well after the first trimester.

[ChrisMaster69]

@loveslongnails well birth is a few months after it lol

At christening

Within the first month of being born, 3 months, 6 years?

[loveslongnails]

A trimester is 3 months. There are still 6 months left before birth.

[ChrisMaster69]

@loveslongnails you said not at birth.

Ifs not got a soul at birth when then?

Pointless going on about pregnancy if it’s not there after the squealing thing pops out.

[Asker]

To a pro choice christian, the soul attaches to the unborn in the 2nd or 3rd trimester. Lol
You know why?
Because most abortions take place in the 1st trimester.
Pro choice christians choose to decide the timeline of the soul in a way that it won't contradict their prochoice narrative.
If most abortions took place in the 2nd trimester, prochoice christians would say the unborn gets a soul in the 3rd trimester or after birth.

[Ninani]

@marish01 in some countries (England included) abortions are available for the first 24 weeks of pregnancy.

[Asker]

@Ninani what's your point?

[Exterminatore]

I don’t know when that occurs. I don’t know that scripture indicates. I’ve always believed it to be at conception.


Fruit of the womb meaning children who have been born in the context of that verse.


This refers to the unborn:



“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭139:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[genericname85]

souls don't exist. they are ancient ignorance about the interplay between air and the human body. minds exist as well as sentience and consicence. not "soul".

you could ask "when does and unborn gain sentience or conscience". that's a very tough one to figure out. and i honestly don't know the answer.

[Asker]

To be honest I read the 1st 4 words of your comment then stopped because I realized you are not a Christian and this question is not for atheists to answer.
If I wanted an atheist's opinion I eouldn't mention Christians.

[genericname85]

this has nothing to do with "believe". ancient people not understanding that "life itself and our character/persona does not enter us through the air that goes in our mouth" doesn't take away from the merit of your believe. i am an atheist. that doesn't mean that what i say somehow jeopardizes your faith in god. it's just generally more helpful to understand one self and the world properly first and then try to make faith fit in. not the other way around. bunch of people can fit in faith with a knowledge based world view. i can't. doesn't mean that you can't with the information i give you.

[Asker]

I knew I wouldn't get rid of you so easily because people like you are clingy and petty. Just maintain some dignity and leave. You are not needed.
I only wanted to hear Christians' view on this.

[genericname85]

wow. i bet god loves you. dismissive and hateful as you are towards people that merely do not share your faith...

[genericname85]

i have not given you any reason to treat me like you did.

[Asker]

It's not about faith. Did I say anything about you iwn beliefs?
My issue was with people whose opinion was NOT asked.
I asked questions before and mentioned atheists. I couldn't stand when believers expressed their opinions wjwn I didn't ask.
I mention the group of people in my question not accidentally..

[t-8900]

Before you were even conceived:

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

[DJB72]

Scripture suggests we're considered a "soul" from conception. "For You did form my inward parts; You did knit me together in my mother's womb."Psalm 139:13 AMPCThere are references to some awareness while still in the womb as well: "For behold, the instant the sound of your salutation reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy."Luke 1:44 AMPCSo biblical studies suggest that God considers us alive from the time of our conception.

[angeltiny0]

Actually every person man woman and child is born with a soul but it began a long time ago in the creation of man and woman actually a woman the Bible says that God held in his right hand the reproductive system fallopian tubes ovaries etc and that the plan including the soul was put into e v e Eve and then he put it into her belly and gave her air and thought.

[CuriousMufuxka]

I heard a ridiculous quote a few days ago that really made sense. "Jesus took a weekend off" If all the heaven and hell belief or not going to account for the lord dying on Friday and coming back on Sunday? Otherwise I don't understand your question. Peace out.

[lightbulb27]

A conception life exists… I assume then


But I don’t know where the soul comes from. If science is right… all matter changes form… doesn’t go away…. Then those souls are hanging around in eternity

[Interstate]

At the exact moment of conception. That is when God declares an egg a Human being.

[abc3643]

Congratulations!
This is the best question in my 7 years here!

You have gotten to the root of so much about religion and metaphysics.
Google "Mind-Body Problem".

[NamerOfStars]

Other way around. A soul isn't something you HAVE, it's something you ARE. A body is what they're given. And that, presumably, would be at the moment of conception.

[SixFootSexy]

https://robagentile.com/what-is-the-smallest-thing-in-the-universe/

[SaoirseS]

It depends on which of the 200+ Christian denominations (in the US alone) that you ask.

[Asker]

Are you a Christian?

[SaoirseS]

I am.

[SaoirseS]

More religious centrist though, since I'm in a service profession that serves all faiths.

[Asker]

Does God punish abortive women if they don't repent?

[Pillarofhell]

I punish them👋🍑

[SaoirseS]

I already answered your question.

[Asker]

I asked YOU. What do you think.
Does he judge or not?

[Pillarofhell]

Does he judge fat women who have 10 miscarriages in a row?

[SaoirseS]

I don’t make it a practice to get into discussion of specific beliefs on religious matters, either here or in real life and I’m not going to start today. I’ll refer you to my answer to your original question: it depends on which denomination you ask, and even within denominations scholars and opinion varies.

[Asker]

But God doesn't judge based on what scholars analyze. Lol

[Pillarofhell]

This convo is making me horny

[Pillarofhell]

You girls are so hot

[nawtee_me]

Repent means to turn away from that which caused the sin. In other words don't do it again... But Matthew 18 : 21 - 35 21Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.

28“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29So his fellow servant fell down [e]at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you [f]all.’ 30And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother [g]his trespasses.”

[Asker]

@nawtee_me but IF you truly regret having committed that sin.

[nawtee_me]

regret is not repentance... we are all sinners... Are you a Christian?

[Asker]

@nawtee_me you can't repent without regretting.
And yes

[Dchrls78104]

Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb i knew you,
Before you were born I sanctified you."

[nawtee_me]

If you are a Christian then you know that a relationship with Jesus is what He wants from you. We all are sinners but it is the blood of Jesus that covers our sins and that is done through a relationship with Jesus.

[Asker]

And we can murder, sleep around steal and rape freely?

[nawtee_me]

No we can not, but if we do sin then with repentance we are forgiven. Grace does not give us the right to sin, but it does offer us forgiveness with repentance. You aborted child is in heaven and you can be with it there when you go to heaven. repent and ask God to forgive you and He will...

[Asker]

What if she thinks she made the right decision by aborting it?

[nawtee_me]

making the right decision in whos eyes? I mean whatever happened at the time the decision you made might have been the right one for you. However now we are talking about your salvation and even though you might think it was the right thing to do under the circumstances. God sees things differently and your baby is in heaven where you need to be to when your time comes.
I can not or will not judge you on your actions because I have done many wrong things too. Salvation through Jesus Christ in the only way to salvation. When that time come I would love to see you in heaven and meet you in person.

[Asker]

I am a virgin lol. That was an example.
Women should be aware that getting abortions sends them to hell. They should repent which is feeling pain for what they did and wishing they would go back and undo it.

[nawtee_me]

Abortion is wrong and it is murder and if un-repented for it will send them to hell...

[Asker]

Exactly

[angeltiny0]

Refer to scripture and I think it's Ecclesiastes when it comes to murder stealing rape abortion manifestation.
I believe this about abortion and like SIDS sudden infant death God has a place for children and women and that place is called the firmament the firmament is also called heavens with an s the sky. There's a song that says wait in the water because God is going to cover the waters with his sickness sometimes that sickle with the sea I'm sorry sometimes what happens is when a child is born I believe what if God need to have some children come home. Because Curtis Mayfield made a song that said all the little children them little ones they know the joy of children laughing around you I wouldn't trade it for the world maybe God wants some children with him too so look at it as a gift to the father

[angeltiny0]

And all those other bad things it says in Ecclesiastes there's a time to do those things such as military personnel they have to sometime use deadly force in order to keep the borders of our country and sometimes in self-defends you have to make a decision on a moment notice or thought that you don't think is right but maybe God needs you at that time for something and you have to step up and not feel guilty but refer to the word like you did this time and have peace and comfort and what you do because everything is manifested from almighty God almighty God

[Sonorous]

Funny how it's seen as a reward yet people have to be "born again" in order to be "saved" 🤣

[Asker]

Explain what "Born again" means.
Dying thrn being conceieved?
No
Then bringing up born again here makes no sense

[Sonorous]

Oh no u didn't

[Asker]

The fruit is a reward. When it grows and becomes an adult it can be a scumbag. Not a reward

[Sonorous]

Why u gotta be hot and deluded 👨🏿‍🦼

[Jamie05rhs]

Every human being has a soul. If they exist, they have a soul.

The beginning of life of a Homo sapiens organism is when the sperm fertilizes the egg.

[John_Doesnt]

You need to go to sex ed to learn that a fertilized egg doesn't mean it will become a human or fetus.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt if it grows it becomes a fetus.

[John_Doesnt]

it doesn't grow every time it's fertilized.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt what stops it?

[John_Doesnt]

"what stops it"? See my first response, go back to sex ed and learn how a baby is made.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt I want you to tell me

[John_Doesnt]

www.livescience.com/...lant-signals-pregnancy.html

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt they can't be conceived which means they don't become embryos.
Which means they don't have souls

[John_Doesnt]

you clearly didn't understand the link I posted or you didn't read it.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt I understood and I still confirm what I said

[John_Doesnt]

the link doesn't say anything about "souls" so you didn't read it or you're making stuff up

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt it says about failing to become embryos.
So those are not embryos

[Daniela1982]

The Bible does not answer that question that I know of.

[Ericalovescats]

Hmm difficult to say there really isn't an answer, I guess whenever life begins at conception?

[loveslongnails]

You're not going to find anyone who "prove" their answer, or opinion, on this one. It is esoteric knowledge known to very few.

[Asker]

So you don't exclude that many abortions take place when the unborn has a soul that was given by GOD

[loveslongnails]

I would say virtually none of them take place once the soul is assigned.

[Asker]

Would you oppose abortions if you thought the soul attaches the unborn in the 1st trimester?

[loveslongnails]

But it doesn't, so it's a hypothetical never going to happen. I realize you will have difficulty with that because you want to say "yes, but what if, what if" because it suits your narrative. But, that scenario doesn't happen.

[Asker]

Of course you wouldn't answer. You chose a timeline of soul attachment so it can happen after the period where most abortions take place.
You chose to believe it.

[loveslongnails]

OR, I know it for a fact from sources you wouldn't accept or understand.
Just like YOU choose to believe its murder. And you choose to think there can be fruit from this conversation. There can not. Not here, not in my pm.

[Asker]

Why would I want to believe it's murder? No benefit from it. Abortion hurts me. If I thought it is not mirder it wouldn't hurt me. If I were delusional like you I would think it is not murder.
Thinking that soul attaches the unborn goes against your leftist/feminist views.
Besides abortion benefits you because in case there is unwanted pregnancy abortion becomes an option. Thinking it is not murder helps you live without painful self guilt.

[loveslongnails]

And there you have it... your determination that YOU know all there is to know about it. Let me remind you that in years of debating this, on GAG especially, NONE of you self righteous dunces even brought up the IDEA of "when does the soul attach to the embryo?" And I was hesitant to ask that question for these very reasons : a) I can't "prove" it to you, and b) it doesn't matter to you. Nothing matters to you on the subject because you believe what you believe.

Once again, you project your OWN fears onto others. I don't have ANY guilt because of my belief.
Once again, for the thousandth time, you demonstrate that you don't know what the word feminist means, and again, lump anyone who disagrees with you into the category of leftist.

And you say you're single because " you're not looking?". Ha! Talk about believing what you what to believe !!

[Asker]

A long comment that shows hysteria but not one sentence that proves that soul attaches the unborn after the 1st trimester.

[loveslongnails]

Apparently, you can't read either. I told you at the START of this that I'd offer NO PROOF of my statement that could satisfy you, or anyone. It's something I know, and something for everyone to consider. There is no proof you'd accept anyway. Next time, pay attention Marish. It wasn't about proof.

[Asker]

Then how do you know?
How are you sure God doesn't view it as murder?
What is abortion for God?
If he approves of abortion when he disapproves of keepong pregnancy. This makes no sense. Why would God approve of whatevet choice we make if he set rules?

[loveslongnails]

How are sure God does?
God says "Thou shalt not kill", but you'd kill to defend yourself in a heartbeat rather than let yourself BE killed.
As I've told you, things aren't always simply black and white no matter how much you'd like it to be.

[Asker]

Yes SELF-DEFENSE.
But to kill your baby because you don't want it us not self defense

[loveslongnails]

You're missing the point.
Does the Bible say "Thou shalt not kill EXCEPT in self-defense" ? No. It's open ended. It just says
"Thou shalt not kill". So -- OBVIOUSLY --- there's more to what that means than meets the eye.
That's the point of my example, NOT to compare it to an embryo.
You do exactly what you accuse everyone who differs with you, of doing. You take a piece of a statement, ignore the context, miss the point, and turn it to fit your narrative even when its irrelevant.

[Asker]

So if it is allowed in self defense then it is allowed in all cases?
I can kill you when I choose your life is unwanted.
How can this be acceptable to God?
He can take the life if whomever he chooses. He is Gof. Women are not God.

[loveslongnails]

What is wrong with your brain? "So if it is allowed in self defense then it is allowed in all cases?"
Did I mention the word "allow" ? No.
I said you would kill to defend yourself, even though there's a commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and therefore, that might seem like a contradiction, or at the very least, open to other meaning. Hmm?
ONCE AGAIN, you try to non-sequitur to your narrative.

[Asker]

What soes self defense have to do with unwanted pregnancies unless the mother's life is at stake which rarely happens

[Asker]

Does..*

[loveslongnails]

Good Lord, you are dense. The example is to illustrate that even a direct commandment, like "Thou shalt not kill", doesn't explain everything. Self-defense is an "example" of it. Now try and follow here:
IF you followed the letter of the commandment, and someone was trying to kill YOU, and the only way to stop them was to kill THEM, then you'd have to sacrifice your own life. Would anyone in their right mind DO that? If they killed rather than be killed, are they going to HELL too according to you, because they VIOLATED God's commandment?

[Asker]

How does that justify abortion?
There are passages in the bible where God helped his INNOCENT people to kill their enemies who tried to kill them. God approves of self defense

[loveslongnails]

YOU don't justify abortion for ANY REASON, even if it means bringing a child with a horrible disease to full term. Why do you insist on pursuing this question with me? Or anyone? There's nothing ANYONE can say to change your mind under ANY circumstance. So you can stop, at least with me. If others want to engage you, that's their choice, but this is a waste of my time, and yours.

[Asker]

Acvording to you God is sex positive, he is an lgbt ally, he is pro choice, right?
You created God in your head.

[loveslongnails]

Will you EVER stop putting words into other people's mouths? I said -- done. Waste of time. Zip yourself on this topic, to me.

[Asker]

Then correct me. Is God pro choice, sex positive lgbt ally or not?

[loveslongnails]

I'm done means I'm done. Waste someone else's time.

[siennasjo]

God created all of us perfect and unique in the beginning, he's already created the child and had a plan for them from the start.

[dreamstar72]

Your soul began the moment you take you first breath of outside air.

[Asker]

How did I live without a soul?

[dreamstar72]

The unborn has no soul

[Asker]

It gets a soul after it comes out of the vagina?
🤦🏻‍♀️

[Interstate]

@dreamstar72 👎

[Interstate]

@marish01 You have to have a soul to live. So a baby has to have one to live in the womb, along with this Democratic infested Country.

[HighValue]

Not entirely sure. It would either be when there is a heartbeat, or when it is actually born.

[chriscdi]

In the womb, I think, this is a question that can't be answered with 100% certainty cause we don't really know

[PuNishant]

I believe it start with First cry and end with last breath.
Didn't read that on scripture.

[Soleil8000]

Soul is scents, smell (which is also feelings, it's all by smells).
From the moment they are incieved.

[John_Doesnt]

When it's election season and politicians need to buy some votes from emotional people.

[OddBeMe]

According to the Bible, the census taker ain’t supposed to count babies until the first month after birth. So…

[Fuentes]

Im pretty sure once the minute it starts eating in the womb

[EnglishEuropean]

No, the fruit of the womb means when they are born, which is when they get their soul.

[Anonymous]

damn dunno but I could give my soul to those lips of yours lol

[Asker]

I'm glad it's soul not a body part 😄

[Opinion Owner]

neah I am a defined by emotion and soul not body parts

[Flower7]

Before they are conceived.

[Shawn411]

Just ask GOD you'll find out baby 👶...

[WhiteBoyChill]

At the moment of conception

[Subarugirl]

What about pregnancy that will never be viable? Like a ectopic pregnancy?

[princeofromance]

Now, You have to ask this question to try to validate your lies and misconceptions.

[Asker]

I knew you would come here.
I knew you wouldn't answer my question

[t-8900]

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

[princeofromance]

I do not talk to fake people who compound lies with more lies. You name and age are not even accurate on your profile page. Then, You blame your so called friend. More like your imaginary friend. Now, Leave me be, and don't message me again.

[princeofromance]

@t-8900, I do not need you quoting the Bible to me. It is a fictional piece of writing. You need to stop lying to yourself, and face the facts. However, You and your girlfriend marish01 seem to enjoy living in a fabricated world.

[t-8900]

OOOOH so it's a "fictional piece of writing" got it. So you're not Christian. So you basically just ignored her whole question then.

[princeofromance]

@t-8900, Now you have the nerve to make the assumption that I am not Christian. Yes, I am a Catholic, but religion has nothing to do with a woman's free will to have an abortion. You sound worse then the retarded Texas Governor.

[t-8900]

@princeofromance you're a Catholic but called the bible a book of lies. "I do not need you quoting the Bible to me. It is a fictional piece of writing." You've been had, now I'm out. g'day I'm done with you, fraud.

[princeofromance]

@t-8900, You are the fraud you manipulative piece of shit. News Flash, You cannot and will not manipulate or bully me.

[t-8900]

@princeofromance tell me one thing I said that was false, then prove it with Christian teachings.

[princeofromance]

@t-8900, You believe what you are saying to be true by validating your lies about abortion. Therefore, Your clouded mind is not able to tell the truths from the lies. How can you listen to the truth, when you sit there and tell lies on a daily basis.

[t-8900]

@princeofromance dude you haven't said ANYTHING this whole time. Just your feelings. Nothing based on scriptures, nothing based on faith. You are trying to rewrite what was taught. You have nothing to go on. I rest my case. You call me arrogant but if you can't give one example to support your case then it's clear I'm not the arrogant one here. You been blaspheming this whole time according to Scripture, According to your Church, according to your clergy. Like WHAT? You have NEVER read the bible, obviously. You say you're Catholic? Where did you receive reconciliation and confirmation? I was a former Catholic. I was baptized, went to CCD, received communion, reconciliation, and confirmation into the Catholic Church and left midway through the time Benedict was there. I can't tell you don't know wtf you are talking about. So if you want to say you're Christian, fine. But know Christians and CATHOLICS take the Bible as His word AND know the passages about the people professing to be something they are not. You call me arrogant for being knowledgeable on scripture? Dude give me a break and stop making up excuses.

[princeofromance]

@t-8900 okay keep bugging me. I do not have time for fake people who spread lies. I got your phony little girlfriend to shut up. You will be next, when I go to the higher ups.

[888theGreat]

conception , he said I knew you in the womb.

[Subarugirl]

He also said he knew you before that, it could be a fallopian pregnancy, or a miscarriage. Why would he give souls to an embryo that would never be born or even be a viable pregnancy? That makes no sense.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl the same way why woild he give souls to babies who would die after they are born.

[Subarugirl]

Exactly…. seems pretty sadistic to me since those babies won't even get a chance at redemption if their parent's aren't "saved"

[Asker]

@Subarugirl is abortion done by God?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl is abortion not sadistic?

[Subarugirl]

Yeah it's called spontaneous abortion... otherwise known as a miscarriage. Also no... women don't get abortions because they enjoy it, they get them because they are unable to either emotionally, physically, or financially support a child.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl they do end the life if their own offspring.

[Asker]

Of* *

[Subarugirl]

If god is loving and omnipotent then why does he allow so many children to suffer, why did he order the massacre of hundreds of thousands of men women and children... including pregnant mothers... do you not think it is more merciful to chose not to have a child that you cannot properly take care of or not to subject them to a broken system were they will more likely than not be abused in?

If god knows you before you are born then he would surly know when a pregnancy will be carried to term or not.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl if you get an abortion that is your will. Your choice.
If you kill a born petson this is your will too.
Freedom of choice.

[Subarugirl]

So if a embryo is a valid life then shouldn’t a misscaraige be considered man slaughter? Wouldn’t IVF be morally wrong? What of god tells you to kill someone, like he did to Moses and Abraham?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl miscarriage is done by whom?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl God did say "you shall not murder"

[Subarugirl]

Well if you believe in the God of the Bible and that it is omnipotent then if a woman has a miscarriage it was because God

[Asker]

@Subarugirl miscarriage yes. Abortion no.

[Subarugirl]

Unless he tells you to…. Then it’s okay right? . I mean that’s coming from a god that killed and tortured his own son… and had a bunch of kids mauled because they laughed at a bald guy.…

[Asker]

@Subarugirl I haven't read tge old testament. Why did Moses or Abraham kill?

[Subarugirl]

Because god told them to

[Subarugirl]

I would highly recommend that you read the Torah the first five books of the Old Testament will give you a good idea of just how much God cares about children are not killing

[Asker]

@Subarugirl I don't want others' interpretation. Anyone can interpret the way they find fit.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl ok I will

[Subarugirl]

I mean it’s not really an interpretation…. It’s all laid out right there. Here are a few verses
1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)

[Subarugirl]

Can you imagine someone ripping a newborn baby from its mother’s breast and severing its head from it’s body? The Bible seems to say that God commanded such actions.

1Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

[Asker]

@Subarugirl were they innocent people?

[Subarugirl]

Is an infant innocent? What about young children?

Leviticus 20:10 ESV

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death

If she was pregnant there goes the baby too.

[Subarugirl]

In what way does a 3 year old ever deserve to be slaughtered?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl I read the new testament. I didn't come across God commanding others to kill infants.

[John_Doesnt]

he also said I knew you before you were born. So every sperm that isn't fertilized is negligent homicide.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt sperm is a soul?

[Subarugirl]

Apart from killing off his own child, No that just happened in the Old Testament, you know where he killed off everyone man woman and child in the entire world and just saved one family, oh yeah and in Egypt where he killed every first born, then there is the part where he ordered the complete eradication of the Canaanites and Amalekites. Every man woman and child… just to name a few. Don’t get me started on Old Testament law where it was totally fine to stone a rebellious child to death.

[Subarugirl]

@John_Doesnt oh yeah so is every period that happens.. bye bye egg. Let’s not even get started about IVF… what about all this little embryos/Souls that didn’t make it… that’s man slaughter

[Asker]

@Subarugirl period is not a soul. Sperm is not a soul.
"You created me in my mother's womb..."
That creation is called zygote

[888theGreat]

beautiful and smart

[Subarugirl]

Lol that was sarcasm, though the bit about IVF wasn’t really

[Asker]

@Subarugirl artificial insemination?

[Subarugirl]

In vitro fertilization

[Asker]

@Subarugirl how is that murder?

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl People allow children to suffer , not God. There is enough food and medicine for everyone , but people who sin via greed stop that. God is recording everything to prepare for Judgement day. Also there are condoms too and again people choose not to use them , again PEOPLE dish out misery on others.

[Subarugirl]

Where eggs are artificially fertilized and then implanted, generally there end up being multiple viable embryos, and generally only one or two are actually used..

[Subarugirl]

@888thegreat did you miss the part about where god ordered the slaughter of thousands of babies?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl it says
"In vitro fertilisation (IVF) is one of several techniques available to help people with fertility problems have a baby. During IVF, an egg is removed from the woman's ovaries and fertilised with sperm in a laboratory. The fertilised egg, called an embryo, is then returned to the woman's womb to grow and develop"

[Subarugirl]

Generally multiple eggs are fertilized, and only a few are actually implanted.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl what do they do with the other embryos?

[Subarugirl]

Some donate them most dispose of them, others can have them stored until they are no longer viable. Either way, they are still getting rid of the ones they don’t want.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl they should get the parents' consent, right?

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl you mean king Saul? Those tribes had diseases , so was it murder or mercy? Mercy because it allowed all the others to live.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl I read that "about 1 in 8 eggs will be genetically competent to become a baby." I wouldn't call it an abortion

[Subarugirl]

Saul, Moses, Joshua… but by that logic, it would be a mercy to abort a fetus with a defect? Or to abort a fetus that will be born into a family that doesn’t have the ability to financially, emotionally, or physically care for it..

In the Old Testament if a woman was found to be unfaithful she she was to be put to death, weather she was pregnant or not. By that logic it’s okay to have an abortion if it was conserved out of wedlock.

[Subarugirl]

What about the souls of the 7 who didn’t make it?

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl So a baby should be murdered because the baby is not perfect? It is a test to see how you react to the baby. I would show love and mercy and raise the child. You would be cold blooded , show no mercy or understanding. Without love and murder the child.

[Asker]

Were they destroyed by someone?
Or just miscarriage?

[Asker]

@Subarugirl she would be alive while her bany inside her was killed?

[Asker]

baby*

[888theGreat]

I would say you are selfish. Most babies are murdered by abortion for selfish reasons.

[Subarugirl]

@888thegreat I was just applying your logic to that scenareo

[Subarugirl]

Since the preferred method of the day was stoning then… yeah probably

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl this has to be longest feed in gag history. I am lost

[Asker]

@Subarugirl abortion is the deliberate killing of the unborn.
The passage you brought up triggered the life of the guilty woman.

[Subarugirl]

So if a woman gets pregnant out of wedlock you think she and her and her fetus deserve to be killed?

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl all I know is my mom had my oldest brother , then miscarriage , my next oldest brother and then me (then stopped at perfection) . So, I figure I have 3 brothers and he is in heaven. Maybe we will meet and get to know each other.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl I didn't say they deserve death.
I said that passage triggers the life of the woman. It doesn't say women should kill their unborns because it's their bodies lol.

[Subarugirl]

I am glad that brings you comfort

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl Sin got these people killed. The world was evil hence the flood and next time because of people like you , fire.

Soddom , it was orgies, homosexual activity, babies out of wedlock , and sexual diseases.

[Subarugirl]

No but according to what you’ve said it’s totally okay if god tells you to do it…

[Asker]

@Subarugirl God tells me what?
He already told us "you should not kill"

[Subarugirl]

But it’s totally okay to kill the babies and children in those situations though because god said it was okay, but he also says though shalt not kill, unless he tells you too, then it’s totally fine.

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl God is the boss he. The commandments are for us , not him. When people die of old age , you could argue God killed them.

[888theGreat]

@Subarugirl old testament was eye for an eye , the new testament changed that. When God said kill by the sword die by the sword , he was not condoning capital punishment. He was saying if you kill someone , expect someone to kill you. Not that is was what should happen. I believe Christ would be against lethal injection. Even a mean killer could convert to become a Christian and be saved. He can't be saved if he is also killed. Then you took his physical life and he lost eternal life. So, you would have killed him in more than one way. I am against capital punishment, abortion , and killing old people, and suicide, and I think all dogs and cats being destroyed. I also could not shoot bambi either.

[Pillarofhell]

Before consciousness. Your soul is your dna

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I think whenever you feel them moving in there

[Asker]

What if I didn't feel because I was asleep?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Well they still moved

[Interstate]

That's what she said lol.

[Asker]

Make up your mind. Lol

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I don’t get the joke

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Speaking of being his children, how are we 70-90% made of water when God made us directly from dirt. I know there’s water in the ground, but still

[Anonymous]

The soul chooses the new life at conception.

[John_Doesnt]

according to what scientific document?

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt science can't prove that

[John_Doesnt]

exactly

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt then don't bring science here

[John_Doesnt]

why don't you like science?

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt who said I don't.
I remind you that science is unable to prove soul exists or not

[John_Doesnt]

exactly, because those things don't exist. If there's no evidence for something then it doesn't exist.

[Asker]

Said no scientist ever

[John_Doesnt]

science = knowing
You can't know something with no evidence. Every scientist has agreed that without evidence something doesn't exist.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt link every scientists quotes that said no evidence of existence is evidence of non existence.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt science doesn't have answers to all the questions about universe.

[John_Doesnt]

link any post proving the existence of souls

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt i knew you would change the path.
You said "Every scientist has agreed that without evidence something doesn't exist."

link every scientists quotes that said no evidence of existence is evidence of non existence.

[Asker]

@John_Doesnt
"link any post proving the existence of souls"

Be attentive. I said
"I remind you that science is unable to prove soul exists or not"

Don't make me copy and paste what I already said.

[Deku2009]

The moment there hearts start beating

[zagor]

Maybe it's like a Threadpool in Java...

[Anonymous]

Conception.

[lpoots]

its ok as gods away on business

[Dargil]

I think He does.

[misstripleem]

Conception.

[jimmy2]

Yes it does

[Anonymous]

Conception