When does the Soul enter the body of a fetus?

[Still-alive]

For those that believe in souls when does it become created?

Conception (egg fertilization)

Heartbeat detected (6 weeks)

Birth (first breath)

It always existed before and will exist after death

Some other moment (say when)

I don't believe in souls

[SweedyPie]

The only being that knows the true answer to these questions is God. People can speculate and find lots of evidence for their speculations but no one human is capable of giving a definite answer to these questions.

What do I believe? That the souls are present before conception. They exist on a different plane moving from one body in one lifetime to another. Sometimes they may choose a form and stay for a long while or a short one if for some reason they are not compelled to keep the form.

Hence the concepts of kindred spirits, soul mates and twin flames. The skin is only an outer shell.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

When in body, the child's body is going through so many changes that it is really painful for the child to even remember it. Hence a molecule is created by the mother's body. CPH 4 is the molecule's name. It is supplied through the placenta to the child. Via umbilical chord.

All this is done in 24 to 28th month of gestation period. Now the brain's real growth and development is done with the help of this molecule.

And consciousness is something that is really complex to even comprehend. A really really complex network of neurons and other sensory organs, combined with the the necessary fluids gives an organism its consciousness.

I remember our chemistry teacher telling us, that, when we die, our body actually becomes chemically neutral or balanced, don't really remember.

Hence you can say that soul enters a child's body in 24 to 28th week of gestation.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I am studying ML and I got to say this. Its f*cking really complex and really frustrating to even make an application on it. I am not even talking about designing a neural network, but building an application on it. Computer field.

[Anpu23]

The soul is immortal, it predates birth and exists long after the body dies. Life begins with the first independent breath outside of the mother.

[EnglishEuropean]

If the soul predates birth what is it doing before you are born? And why don't you remember?

[Anpu23]

@EnglishEuropean why don't you remember your time in the womb, or your first year of life? Because there are limits to our understanding.

[EnglishEuropean]

In that case we shouldn't pretend to knowledge we don't have.

[Anpu23]

I have studied virtually every religious text on the planet. Spent time in learning with priests, monks, amd Imams. Taught and ran a religious community for 10 years. Spent many hours in deep meditation. I am certainly qualified to speak on this subject.

Just because I've never been to England doesn't mean that London is not there.

[EnglishEuropean]

Those are still just opinions; not empirical knowledge. The location of London is empirical knowledge. I know, because I've been there.

[Anpu23]

@EnglishEuropean your empirical knowledge is infered knowledge to me as I haven't. I can accept evidence of its existence or I can reject it. But either way it doesn't change the fact that it is real.

I certainly accept religious gnosis the ability to have direct religious experience as well as results based religious experiences And I consider that as evidence. You can accept or reject that as you see fit. But it doesn't effect the facts of a souls existence/non-existence.

In religion, from a scientific perspective we are talking about a black box. Therefore we must defer to Occams razor and I can certainly word the question where a religious experience falls on the probable side of the equation it is as likely to be a god as not.

[KrisPW]

I believe @ heartbeat. We determine death by the loss of the beating heart, so I think it's a good place to determine life as well.

Along these same lines, fetuses often start thumb sucking as early as the 10th week. This is believed to be an emotional response, yet, their brains have not yet developed. This means the brain is in no way involved in initiating or controlling the thumbsucking; the baby just does it naturally and continues until 2-3 years old. This leads me to believe that it is at LEAST at or before the 10th week.

[kudoma]

Heartbeat is not the determining factor of death though, it's when the brain dies that the person is no longer a person. Brain death is still death, and the only reason any other organ exists is to support the brain. When the heart stops, the brain for sure dies, which is why it's most commonly heard of.

[Apulu_Imback]

Soul is an energy and it always existed. But for me it enters the fetus when the heartbeat starts. by the way what's with so many baby questions nowadays in GaG? Some new law or something happened in America?

[Still-alive]

our rights guaranteeing the legality of abortion in the u. s. is about to be taken away from us in a month or two sooo yeah.

[Apulu_Imback]

Wait what! People should be less horny from now on then. Why don't they sell good quality protection instead?

[Still-alive]

well they do but we got people that basically just want to control womens bodies in our country... a lot of it is tied to christian religious values.

[Apulu_Imback]

Seriously? Politics is so involved with religion. If mother doesn't wants her child then she won't raise it well too. The child will have a painful start in anyway.

[Still-alive]

yeah and a lot of the folks that approve of this just chalk that up to bad decisions and tough luck for that woman. therefore she should be forced to live with the consequences.

[Apulu_Imback]

And the child too.

[Snsl153]

Option D. (I accidentally chose A).
Life is meaningful, purposeful, and we're here for a reason even if we have no clue what that reason may be, or believe there to be no reason to it at all. We are not the end result of a ridiculously long sequence of improbable "accidents"; that belief is absurd. The deliberate destruction of a human being when it is not absolutely necessary, is just murder.

[petitedollbabee]

Souls exist before birth and after death. They are continuous in my opinion. But I don’t believe the soul takes action per-say until birth.

[Still-alive]

so if one were to abort that fetus with the soul in it... would that be bad?

[petitedollbabee]

No, I believe in reincarnation. So because that soul didn’t get their shot at living that life, that soul will just come back in another form or another fetus.

[Still-alive]

hmmm interesting notion

[annabananna]

You can call me crazy on this one but I’m currently pregnant with a boy and I could feel this little boy spirit around me months before I got pregnant.

[Still-alive]

how many months are you currently?

[annabananna]

I’m six months

[Still-alive]

oh almost there. congrats so far

[annabananna]

Thanks!

[loves2learn]

I’m really not sure but when I got that positive pregnancy test that baby was real to me.

[loves2learn]

10 days post ovulation with my oldest. 9 days post ovulation with my youngest.

In the end, we lost my youngest son’s twin. I have terribly mixed feelings about it.

[Apple1996]

The soul was already there before birth/after birth.

[Charliefretz329]

100% yes

[aided_]

oh I don't know
ask god
im sure you two are in touch

[RolandCuthbert]

I have no idea.

And if a person tells you that they do, they are lying.

[RolandCuthbert]

I can't believe I missed Sam and Dave up there.

The song is on my playlist.

[Whatthefluff]

When the brain does. Our brains store our true selves.

[slatyb]

And when does it leave? Half of all human embryos are spontaneously aborted.

[Ghostluck]

I honestly couldn't say. I think only God and anyone who exists on that plain would know that answer for certain. Maybe, just a guess, when the fetus starts generating body heat?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I think it’s made as soon as the person spawns into existence and if they get aborted the soul is transferred to another fetus

[EnglishEuropean]

If by soul you mean consciousness it starts at around 2 years.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Heartbeat detected (6 weeks)

[call_me_scar]

90000 days after birth