Disbelieving in god cannot be justified rationally, rather its emotional. Do you agree?

[needhelpwiththis0]

My claim is that there aren't any rational ways to prove that god doesn't exist, rather they are emotional.

Challenge my claim friends

[Guy13]

That’s absolutely correct given their main objection is to avoid Absolutes. Will not believe in Creator, God as Absolute and follow Him absolutely, however, they will follow a leftist communist State’s Absolutes or absolutely be eradicated. Denial of consequences and basic Physics (every action has an equal and opposite reaction). Government can Lord over them but Creator, God cannot….

Absolute Avoidance Disorder:
In doing so, they have to embrace incomplete answers, such as.9999, rather than a pure and complete mathematical answer (1.00). -Common sense/Intelligent Design (you, me, 🌎 🌍 🌏) demands a Creator, God too. Something now always Something. From Nothing Something can come❓Nonsensical…Irrational.
-Intellect (knowing) requires a Soul and the brain 🧠Mind is a mechanistic tool used to connect intellectual knowing and Soul. Without a soul, Being can not Be.-Simple Platonic and Aristotelian thought.

How did resting mass, resting energy, and resting motion get there❓Can one self-create or self-start❓No, then who was the First Cause or Prime Mover❓-Duh-the Creator of both the physical and metaphysical knowing (Morality), themselves.

-Every argument, for either nonexistence of God or self-created thing (evolution) ends in linear Infinitude. And, that line goes in both directions when one takes the position that every Cause has a Cause.
-What Causes God on one end (.999) as well as never ending Causation on the other end to justify a FAILED EVOLUTION as First Cause MODEL.-Often a new unproven word or Construct is touted as “proof of evolution”-but what caused Evolution, itself please❓
From a resting object, it is both an impossibility and irrational that said object began a self-started evolution or exploded into Being. NONSENSICAL‼️

-Every Effect has a Cause. The evolutionary model as a concept can be “considered legitimate” BUT not the answer to Creation. Effect (single celled organism) Cause 🤔-a self creating and self-starting muck or resting components of Physics suddenly combust is irrational.

Moral argument: since we can delineate between right and wrong then there is right and wrong, although, R/W can vary as it is freely self-perceived & chosen, individually
Even so, the Beginning parameters are of an Intelligent Design which demands a Creator.. which demands strict adherence too Morality Model…which demands a Judge…and that judge is Creator, God. .

-Common sense: Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm, Acquinas, Leibniz, Kant etc deduced there is a God from using different arguments and from very different cognitively Reasoned backgrounds.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Okay, but look at the inverse of your argument... you could argue there aren't any rational ways to prove that god does exist either, arguably those that do resort to the emotional.

I think it's important, even for a staunch theist, to understand the viewpoint of an atheist. Like ever watch 'Ancient Aliens' or any of those pro-Bigfoot shows? Every little thing seems to prove aliens and bigfoot are real to them. Flat earthers, vegans, and even these critical race theory people... they all sound alike. They will harp on endlessly with no favorable evidence to state their case and no matter what you say or point out to them, they think they're right no matter what. Is that rational reasoning or emotional, it doesn't matter, it's not my problem until they start making it my problem. I like my meat, the earth is round, bigfoot and aliens are not fucking with me (real or not), and I simply don't need an omnipresent force to understand the golden rule or the concept of live and let live. (basically don't be a dick)

My personal opinion is if you have so much time on your hands to contemplate such things, it doesn't sound stupid or become annoying to others until it's constantly being pushed like an agenda. It's a personal matter, should remain so, and the evidence is pretty shitty to begin with. My retort to any wild claims, is that the burden of proof is not mine.

[CountessSarah]

It's the default position. It's rationally justified until theists meet their burden of proof.
If we substitute gawd for any other claim, such as Bigfoot, you wouldn't say 'Oh, disbelief in bigfoot is just an emotional claim', no, that's silly.

[needhelpwiththis0]

But thats a fallacy, we dont believe god is something that looks like any of his creation, nor can we imagine him. What i did mean was this: the universe couldnt have existed without a being that didn't have a begin nor end and the earth couldnt have existed without a primary mover as they say. So if we believe that god is the reason of existence of the universe than yes this is a rational claim, unlike notions like bigfoot or a "godless universe"

[CountessSarah]

OK, so before I can respond more comprehensively, you're using a strange god definition -
Am I to believe your god has no attributes, other than that it's a 'first cause' of the universe? It doesn't answer prayer or have any commandments or whatever?

[needhelpwiththis0]

He does have other attributes, he is perfect

[needhelpwiththis0]

My point is that if there wasn't any god than you wouldn't be speaking to each other right because the universe wouldn't even exist in the first place. Explaining the existence of the universe without god will make you contradict yourself

[CountessSarah]

That doesn't answer my question - Let me try another way -
What religion do you belong to? Or which religion is at least closest to your doctrine of belief?

[needhelpwiththis0]

I am a muslim

[CountessSarah]

OK, so that clarifies what I needed to know - You're not just using 'god' as an interchangeable term with 'first cause'. That's fine, that's all I needed from you.

You clearly believe that all things require a cause. Therefore it stands that your god would also require a first cause. You can't say no, otherwise that's a fallacy - Special Pleading.
If a god can exist without a cause, then whatever process explains that gods existence could just as well apply to a universe without a deity.
Your appeal to a god doesn't help you solve this problem - it compounds it.
Because now you're forced into not just having to explain how a universe can begin to exist, but how an intelligent, universe-creating entity can begin to exist.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Again FALLACY.

لَمْ يَلِدْ ۙ وَلَمْ يُوْلَدْ 
"He neither begets nor is born,"
( Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 3)

Everything that begins to exist, and which didn't exist before requires a creator. God didn't begin to exist at some point, he always did and will.

Ok im going to show you why:

I assume ur an atheist so you believe the universe was created BY nothing FROM nothing.

But lets try the atheistic hypotheses: "the universe began with the big ban dummie"
-but what caused the big ban?
-gas
-who made that gas how did it exist?
-"i dont know"
If we would ask question like these we wouldn't come to an end, this called an infinite regress.

Therefore the universe began by god whi has no end nor a beginning. He hasn't been created so he doesn't require a creator.

My claim is that there aren't any rational reasons to disbelieve in god, just emotional ones like these...

أم خلقوا من غير شيء أم هم الخالقون

Or are they created by nothing or are they creatures of themselves? (52:35)

أم خلقوا السماوات والأرض بل لا يوقنون

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they have no certainty. (52:36)

The one who tries to prove the unexistence of god will contradict himself many times.

وَلَئِنْ سَاَ لْـتَهُمْ مَّنْ خَلَقَهُمْ لَيَقُوْلُنَّ اللّٰهُ فَاَ نّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ 

"And if you asked them who created them, they would surely say, "Allah." So how are they deluded?"
(43:87)

Every person has this deaply rooted instinctive believe of god in their heart but many of the people hide that believe due to whatever reason. This believe in hod manifests itself in certain situations for example when a plane crashes even atheists call to god. Thats why they also say "there are no atheists on the battle field". I mean you wouldn't call out to an elephant hindu god because you know for sure it doesn't exist.

[CountessSarah]

"I assume ur an atheist so you believe the universe was created BY nothing FROM nothing."

That's not what atheism is.

And you're just committing the fallacy I told you you would - Special Pleading.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Its not a fallacy. You said EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS REQUIRES A CAUSE. im Saying Everything that BEGINS to exist requires a cause. Huge difference, and no fallacy

[CountessSarah]

OK, then the universe never began to exist.

[needhelpwiththis0]

The universe began to exist, and kf you try to say otherwise you're literally going against all the scientific data we have

[needhelpwiththis0]

Allah says in the quran بل لا يوقنون

Rather they have no certainty

[needhelpwiththis0]

You clearly have no certainty

[CountessSarah]

There's no scientific evidence that a god ever existed or began to exist. Yet it doesn't seem to deter you.

Either things can begin without a cause or they cannot. The universe and your god have the exact same hurdle here.

[needhelpwiththis0]

They have not. Again, the universe began to exist therefore it requires something that created it because it did not exist before

[CountessSarah]

And so does your god.

[needhelpwiththis0]

God is the only way to explain it you can't go around

[needhelpwiththis0]

Your god did not begin to exist

[needhelpwiththis0]

Therefore he doesn't require something that created it, it always existed

[CountessSarah]

I don't have a god so dunno what 'your god' is referring to when you use it.

Either things can begin without causes or they cannot. I can't explain Special Pleading any better to you. Your reasoning is fallacious.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Ok this is the end of the conversation. Im no longer going to repeat what i already had repeated

[CountessSarah]

You wouldn't need to repeat yourself, I already explained why what you were saying didn't work.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Nope, ok, last time:

Not everything requires a creator
Rather everything that begins to exist while it didn't exist before requires a creator. This is not special pleading. The universe didn't always exist therefore it requieres a creator. God is infinite and did not BEGIN to exist, so it doesn't require a creator because it wasn't ever absent. One of the attributes of allah is الأول the first. There wasn't anything before him, there wasn't something before him that created him. And like i said he wasn't absent at some point

[CountessSarah]

And if "Not everything requires a creator" then I can assert the universe didn't, either.

[needhelpwiththis0]

One more time: the universe was at some point absent, it began to exist so it requires a creator. Ok im done, waisting my time here

[CountessSarah]

How do you know?
How can you assert the universe must have had a start point?

[Guy13]

Hello. Please read my post. Have you ever been to a region, on a boat/ship, and seen a whale 🐳 and it’s blow hold. That’s your accusations, without form, shape, or Reason.

At least you can argue against Established Reason, defined on my Post. I’m not trying to be nasty, but Intellectually speaking, I am embarrassed for you 🤷🏻‍♂️

[CountessSarah]

@Guy13
You're avoiding the question because it blows your whole argument to hell and exposes your fallacy.

[Justerino]

Ahhh nvm is this from Anselm or someone else? Interested now.

[Justerino]

Oh sorry you’re Muslim… heard this once, “Somalis are brave, they die once not twice”

[CountessSarah]

@Justerino
Wrong thread?

[Justerino]

Naw didn’t read it all my bad saw him typing Arabic before I seen him say he’s Muslim. Sounds like Muslim people understand things better than the average Christian? 😳

[Guy13]

Child…always blame on the Other‼️ Never anything of Substance-as in the smallest logical proof. FYI, LOGICAL PROOF IS NOT WHAT YOU SELF-DEFINE CONTINUOUSLY IN YOUR HEAD…like a continuous Flush.

You actually have to THINK. You actually have to have References to your thinking because your opinion is not God.

Stay in your sandbox until you can display Cogent Reason

[Justerino]

@Guy13 wow dude you just got triggered 😂

[Guy13]

You never answered my response from one of your threads with specific Surah passages that:1. Says Jesus is Messaiah, mentions Holy Spirit, Youbfibt like seeing the Trinity itemized for you in your Quran, did ya. ITS ALL FROM YOUR WURAN. The one that mentions Jesus 25 times and your Muhammad 4 times…

[Guy13]

Go to your “Why do I have trouble sleeping post and answer the Reply to your claims. It’s all from your Quran with original language usage. 21 year old over his head….

[CountessSarah]

I think you've posted this in the wrong thread.

[Guy13]

You’ve got no idea how logic works‼️We do not have to disprove Something that was obviously made by Creator God. Even my 9th graders, “she doesn’t know how to think property…I think she wants be involved…can’t do anything with that.”

[CountessSarah]

You're responding to someone else the wrong thread.

[nonamedc]

"There's no scientific evidence that a god ever existed or began to exist. Yet it doesn't seem to deter you"

Did your grand grand grand grand grand... father exist? Is there scientific data to prove it? Have you seen it? Do you know people who witnessed him? You absolutly know he existed because otherwise you wouldn't be here, so you dont have to see something necessarly in order to believe in it

The ignorance... to other people who might be reading this, why on earth are you debating with atheists its such a waste of time, they deny common sence, they're hust fooling themselves to "win" arguments

[CountessSarah]

Grandparents aren't a supernatural claim. The analogy to a god doesn't work at all.

[UCrayCray]

Disbelieving in god is not the same as disproving god. You appear to use them interchangeably here, which is a mistake on your part.
So are you talking about disbelieving? Or are you talking about disproving?

[needhelpwiththis0]

Ur right i meant disproving. Because someone can believe in a creator deep down but reject him and therefore disbelieve

[UCrayCray]

Someone can believe deep down that no god exists, to the same extent that someone can believe deep down that god does exist.
Anybody who claims they can prove one way or the other should be equally dismissed.
They are deluding themselves.

[Wade12345]

lol. You're deluding yourself.

The fact all the laws of physics obey the same Spherical mathematics and Logic and are maximized proves they have the same origin. Since they are Logical laws and maximized, this raises the following question:

"Who wrote the Laws of Physics, since they are Logical?"

Logic demands an intelligent MIND is required to do Logic, which means there absolutely IS THE TRUE CREATOR ALMIGHTY GOD.

You do not need to find God hiding under a rock to prove he exists. Logical Argumentation proves God exists, and he's not hiding either: The evidence of God's existence is everywhere.

[UCrayCray]

@Wade12345
A hole fits a puddle so perfectly, the hole must have been created for that specific puddle. How else can you explain the fact that it fits so perfectly?
We know so little, given the size of the universe, we are not privy to enough information to form absolute conclusions.
But I know you won’t let that stop you.

[Wade12345]

You're beside yourself with stupidity. You're making a Strawman Argument with your hole fits the puddle nonsense, and it's not even a "good" strawman argument.

Atheists and Agnostics want to accuse believers of making logical fallacies, and yet you just made one of the worst types of logical fallacies.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Wade, she is deceiving herself do not waste time to people like that. She knows that this universe couldnt come from nothing and that the rain doesn't come down without a reason as well as the alternation of the night and the day. Her problem is this: she isn't convinced that god is worthy to be worshipped, maybe due to her desires

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Wade12345 You made the strawman argument and resorted to ad hominem as well... you may sound very "logical" to yourself, but come on... you jumped from laws of physics + is logical, as your premises, to the conclusion of therefore God real. Where do you get off saying another is deluding themselves or beside themselves with stupidity? You would've sounded more intelligent by dropping the ad hominem attacks... but came off sounding like a Karen/Ken religious zealot.

[Wade12345]

@D_Bone_Steak
No, actually SHE started the Ad Hominem, when she said anyone claiming to prove God's existence was "deluding themselves".

Read, buddy. I simply responded in kind by saying she was the delusional one, and here's why:

She willfully rejects obvious and valid scientific evidence for the existence of God.

The notion of everything coming from Nothing is preposterous, and violates Conservation laws, and besides that has been disproven by Pasteur. If so much as an INSECT cannot exist by Spontaneous Generation, then clearly you must see the entire Universe cannot come into being by Spontaneous Generation. (Rene DeCartes et al, Pasteur et al).

The notion fo the Universe being Self-Eternal has been disproved informally by Edgar Allen Poe almost 150-something years ago, or whatever, and then formally disproved by Edwin Hubble over 100 years ago, WHICH ALBERT EINSTEIN, the most intelligent man ever known to have lived, ADMITTED HUBBLE WAS CORRECT.

[UCrayCray]

@Wade12345
Do you believe that we know everything there is to know about the universe and beyond?

[Wade12345]

No, we don't know everything, but there are limiting factors to what is "knowable" to humans. A mortal being can never know everything about the Universe. We're limited by our senses, life span, and the speed of light/sound.

[Guy13]

Friend read my Post. Learn It. And go have a good time, Zealot 🎉

[UCrayCray]

@Wade12345
So you admit that we can’t know everything, yet believe you can confidently conclude that you know there is a god and he created us.
You have no idea what lays beyond our scope. It could be anything. It could blow all your beliefs right out of the water.
And yet, you not only demand I come to a conclusion based on this limited knowledge, you believe I should come to same conclusion as you.
You are in less of a position to call others deluded than I am.

[Wade12345]

I know God exists from both reason and experience.

I've seen Angels prophesying the future to me... and it came to pass.

I've heard God's voice speaking to me prophesying the future to me... and it came to pass.

I've seen visions and dreams that tell the future... and those came to pass.

there absolutely is an Almighty, All-Knowing Creator God, whether or not you believe that.

[UCrayCray]

@Wade12345
Your anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. It only proves that you have convinced yourself these things are true. I have read some of the failed predictions you have made here. Funny how you don’t consider them. You only focus on the thing you believe you got right. 🙄
You are free to believe whatever your little heart desires, and you can believe it with every fibre of your being.
That’s doesn’t make it a fact, and your thoughts are not divinely inspired.
Sorry

[Wade12345]

I've never failed a prediction here.

I've been falsely accused regarding the Ida prediction, but I nailed it to the letter nearly 2 years ahead of time on a different account.

The only prediction I have ever got wrong was Hurricane Fred in 2009, and I don't know why I got it wrong. That's the ONLY prophecy I've ever gotten wrong.

[UCrayCray]

@Wade12345
www.google.ca/imgres

[jshm2]

Disbelieving is a form of ignorance, but there is such a thing as not being capable. For example you don't believe there is a sun, because you are blind. Then you cannot really be brought to the position to believe as there is no way for you to see. Hence a disbeliever is a disabled person in many ways.

But on the other side there is no such thing as an atheist. You can only be a theist or an agnostic. To be "atheist" would demand an extraordinary proof which they can never provide. Their claim is based on the false premise of the physical being all there is ; something not supported by science.

Hence it's a confidence trick and sophistry, and why they fall back on sneers and tirades.

[needhelpwiththis0]

Nailed it. Those who claim to be "agnostic" call themselves that because they dont believe god is worthy to be worshipped, yet he gave then life in the first place. Or they just prefer to follow their desires, but they will not escape death

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I mean the Bible has only predicted field theory, underwater volcanos, basically everything Newton figured out about the world, proper diet for a healthy lifestyle, the dangers of still water, the concept of earth floating in space, farming techniques which to this day were trying to learn to continue making use of in large scale production, air having weight, the earth being round, that bathing effectively requires running fresh water, mountains underwater, the fact that our universe has a beginning and isn't just enernal. This is just to name a few things.

So considering science doesn't really have anything solid to say there is no God, I would say we have more evidence for a God then for non God

[Wade12345]

It's an emotional rejection of Accountability to Authority of God. It's similar to a murderer who lies and denies he's guilty even though the police have video evidence and DNA evidence that the suspect in question is the only one who could have committed the crime.

Atheists and Most Agnostics reject God simply because He Alone has the Sovereign Moral Authority AND the Almighty Power to back up that Sovereign Moral Authority.

For example, fi you confront a homosexual with Natural Law and Biblical law, they will vow to become an Agnostic or Atheist, because they reject the idea that their chosen lifestyle is condemned by God. So then they'd rather go to Hell than repent and honor God, and many of them will even say that when confronted about it.

[Anonymous]

Quite the opposite.
Not believing in something that can not be proven is logical.

Believing in something that can not be proven because your are indoctrinated as a child and told you will be punished if you don’t believe or if you as questions is based on fear which is an emotion.

There are more rational ways to prove god doesn’t exist than their are to prove it does...
One of them being, there are endless numbers of gods throughout history and all have been shown to be false as science has discovered why, people believed the sun was a god and would sleep at night, now we know it’s a massive burning star.
People believed the god of the sea created the tides, now we know it’s the
gravitational attraction of the sun and moon on the oceans of the earth.

Of all the god people have believed in the likelihood that your one god is the only real god is very unlikely.

[WonderlandGone]

The existence of a higher power cannot be proven nor disproven, therefore I live my life under the assumption that there isn't one. With no evidence of one, the burden of proof is on those arguing it's existence, so please go into it deeper if you wish.

If someone ever proved me otherwise, it wouldn't change my life in any way. The world would still spin, clocks would still tick, the existence of a "God" doesn't actually do anything.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

There’s no need to prove god doesn’t exist. The default is nothing and the so the burden of proof is on proving that god exists.


Furthermore that’s also irrelevant to the disbelief. It’s necessarily no more irrational than the belief in god. So there’s really nothing to say here.

[DWornock]

Things can be proven. They cannot be disproved. Therefore, the burden is to prove something exist and to assume it doesn't if you cannot. That is not emotional; that's logic. I can't disprove there is not an invisible green demon on my shoulder that tells me to do evil deeds. But just like God, it is not logical to assume it is.

[AndrésC64]

We don't need to prove that god (s) doesn't (don't) exist, anymore than you need to prove that dragons don't exist. Anyone that claims that a god (s) exists needs to provide a reason for that. I've been an atheist my entire life and I've been online having these sort of discussions since there was a such a thing as being online. I have never been presented with any good reason to believe that god (s) exists. Do you have any reason?

[SnakeBoop]

i mean, technically the same can be said for believing in god. what other proof is there that god exists save emotional?

[needhelpwiththis0]

My claim is that there aren't any rational reasons to disbelieve in god, just emotional ones like these...

أم خلقوا من غير شيء أم هم الخالقون

Or are they created by nothing or are they creatures of themselves? (52:35)

أم خلقوا السماوات والأرض بل لا يوقنون

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they have no certainty. (52:36)

The one who tries to prove the unexistence of god will contradict himself many times.

وَلَئِنْ سَاَ لْـتَهُمْ مَّنْ خَلَقَهُمْ لَيَقُوْلُنَّ اللّٰهُ فَاَ نّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ 

"And if you asked them who created them, they would surely say, "Allah." So how are they deluded?"
(43:87)

Every person has this deaply rooted instinctive believe of god in their heart but many of the people hide that believe due to whatever reason. This believe in hod manifests itself in certain situations for example when a plane crashes even atheists call to god. Thats why they also say "there are no atheists on the battle field". I mean you wouldn't call out to an elephant hindu god because you know for sure it doesn't exist.

To cut it short, there actually is a very rational basis on the believe in a creator, a beginner, a initianator, a being without beginning nor end which never has been created

[SnakeBoop]

but to some, that belief is in a beginning event rather than person, so you've therefore just proven it can be "justified rationally"...

[needhelpwiththis0]

I dont understand ur point pls elaborate

[needhelpwiththis0]

Are you saying the beginning of the universe? How can something come FROM nothing and BY nothing. This is totally bogus

[SnakeBoop]

so.. thats you being emotional to say "no"...

[needhelpwiththis0]

How is my argument emotional. I just demonstrated that atheism isn't logical because it contradicts the law of existence

[SnakeBoop]

what law?
you just ended it with "thats bogus" which is just an emotional statement.
I don't think you quite get this conversation, so good day

[raithespaceknight]

disbelieving in god is not emotional or rational.
do you believe in witches, the flying spaghetti monster, or a teapot orbiting Mars?
not believing in these does not imply being rational or emotional.
there are many beliefs that were lost to history that no one believes in. the justification for their existence is on the believers.

[Justerino]

No, this is inductive reasoning.

If you think God can talk to you or has 10
fingers or 10 toes we don’t believe in the same God but that’s fine as long as we both live moral lives, who cares right?

[AviatorTom]

It is impossible to prove a negative, any negative. To do that, one has to consider every possibility, and there are always an infinite number of them. It's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist.

[Citizenkirk]

You cannot scientifically proven the non-existent nature of god. It is irrational to try and prove the existence of god as well.

[needhelpwiththis0]

It is the most rational, if it wasn't ecen rational in the first place. Please read my comments to some of these atheists, its just very simple to prove it

[MCheetah]

Yes. Believing in a higher power with no proof or evidence is sheer foolishness and 100% emotion, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

It's not up to the disbeliever to prove god does not exist.

Positing the existence of a being with unlimited knowledge and power that exists outside space/time is a hell of a claim. Theists need to prove that exists first.

[DaThinka]

Emotional? You mean choice,... When they disbelieve or not crying thinking "I cried so god exists". When people make the choice the believe they feel no emotions

[DaThinka]

Also depends on your intelligence levels. If you're stupid your more likely to believe in god

[JustinTheGreat]

But can you prove that god DOES exist rationally rather than emotionally? 🧐
exactly. Lol

[needhelpwiththis0]

Yes i can, please read the responses i made to other people om this question. You'll be surprised

[JustinTheGreat]

Your logic to god existing is that the universe didn’t come out of nowhere and it must of been created by someone.
That’s still not rational reasoning in my opinion. Like yes there’s evidence that we were created by the Big Bang theory, you were asking “but how did those gases exist in the first place without god” and I’m not a scientist so I wouldn’t know. I’m not sure if scientists even know why, there is still a lot of unanswered questions about the universe.
You are assuming it must of been a god because you are unsatisfied with the unanswered questions. You want an explanation for everything so you created one. I would say that’s not rational reasoning

[needhelpwiththis0]

Your comment is very fallacious

The fact that the reason of the existence of the universe is due to a creator which didn't have a beginning is the only possible way of all the things around us existing and that is our understandung of god (the first and the last).

Allah says in the quran about the atheists بل لا يوقنون
Which means: rather they have no certainty. Just like you expressed that you have no idea how the universe couldnt have began without god

[OfDeath]

No I don't. Disbelief in gods is not because one can prove they don't exist, but rather that gods haven't been proven to exist. It doesn't get much more rational than that.

[Recurrence]

I don’t believe a god exists because I haven’t been compelled by any evidence I’ve been shown, and I haven’t been convinced of an argument

[Redstang88]

You could say the exact same thing for believing, and in absence of proof the logical view is not to believe

[Drumlin2001]

Is there a rational way of proving God's does exist?

[EnglishEuropean]

You got it backwards fella. Are you having a laugh?

[needhelpwiththis0]

Ok im going to show you why:

I assume ur an atheist so you believe the universe was created BY nothing FROM nothing.

But lets try the atheistic hypotheses: "the universe began with the big ban dummie"
-but what caused the big ban?
-gas
-who made that gas how did it exist?
-"i dont know"
If we would ask question like these we wouldn't come to an end, this called an infinite regress.

Therefore the universe began by god whi has no end nor a beginning. He hasn't been created so he doesn't require a creator.

My claim is that there aren't any rational reasons to disbelieve in god, just emotional ones like these...

أم خلقوا من غير شيء أم هم الخالقون

Or are they created by nothing or are they creatures of themselves? (52:35)

أم خلقوا السماوات والأرض بل لا يوقنون

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they have no certainty. (52:36)

The one who tries to prove the unexistence of god will contradict himself many times.

وَلَئِنْ سَاَ لْـتَهُمْ مَّنْ خَلَقَهُمْ لَيَقُوْلُنَّ اللّٰهُ فَاَ نّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ 

"And if you asked them who created them, they would surely say, "Allah." So how are they deluded?"
(43:87)

Every person has this deaply rooted instinctive believe of god in their heart but many of the people hide that believe due to whatever reason. This believe in hod manifests itself in certain situations for example when a plane crashes even atheists call to god. Thats why they also say "there are no atheists on the battle field". I mean you wouldn't call out to an elephant hindu god because you know for sure it doesn't exist.

[needhelpwiththis0]

So i challenge you AGAIN to give me a rational claim for atheism, you dont have any

[EnglishEuropean]

Well actually I'm an agnostic atheist. I see no reason to believe in God, so I don't.

[Waldoe]

that argument goes Both ways... you cannot Prove He exists... that's why it's called "Faith"

[needhelpwiththis0]

It does not. The reason ur saying this and many other people in this section is because ur ignorant of what god entails. The atheist view is that the universe came FROM nothing and BY nothing. However we theists say that the universe has been created by a primary mover, god

[Waldoe]

believing in God is emotional

[Guy13]

I can prove to you the He, your Creator God, exists. Look at my Post please. It’s the first one, I think.

[Guy13]

There’s a full body of evidence, no different than a courtroom that He exists. YOU LOSE in the realm of ideas and have nothing but Not, Not, Not. You would rather fight about and deny than investigate. Mostly because you know their is greater than you AND all people worship. HELLO, you worship God Is Not.

-Something can not be and not be in same Time and place. Your argument is a “no go” from the beginning.
-No one denies What Is Not except certifiable crazy. By denying What Is Not you are conceding that the Thing denied Is…that God Is. My 7th graders get that…”how do you deny what you don’t know about? How do I say it’s not raining unless I know what rain is?” 7th GRADERS ARE MORE DISCERNING, sophisticated, and Intelligible in the obvious than you.
-PROVE YOUR CASE THAT HE, GOD IS NOT.

[Cubus]

Atheism (not to confuse with agnosticism) actually doesn't make sense.

[grega239]

Lack of evidence of gods existance leads to the conclusion that he doesn't exist

[Twalli]

The inverse is also true. There are no rational ways to prove she exists either.

[Anonymous]

God is just the bogeyman the elites use to keep the poor suppressed

[Anonymous]

What's really sad is that you think this is a clever argument.

[Anonymous]

There's really no way to prove rather if god exists or not so were stuck believing that he does exist.

[Anonymous]

they don't want GOD its that simple

they know he is real
they just wanna do whatever they want

[OddBeMe]

Disbelieving and proving aren’t the same thing.

[In_Trance]

that holds true to prove God's existence also

[ChrisMaster69]

Which one

[needhelpwiththis0]

Not believing in god cannot be justified with rational arguments

[ChrisMaster69]

Yes but which one

I am about those that believe in a god

Which one are you on about

[needhelpwiththis0]

Im saying disproving gods existence is based only on emotional agruments so ur good bro

[needhelpwiththis0]

Oh wait ur 43, i shouldn't of used "bro" to you lol

[ChrisMaster69]

Yes I am saying which god

There are shit loads tbh

I mean from Morrigan onwards, Danu, DAGDA etc

[needhelpwiththis0]

A creator which has all the perfect attributes. The god of the jews and the muslims which is basically the father in christianity

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah but they are 1000’s of religions on Earth,

I tend to go with Celtic

A friend is Hindu

It’s a but naive assuming one woman did all this

[bamesjond0069]

Agree.

[jimmy2]

No i do not