Anonymous(25-29)+1 yOf course there are immature minds who believe this.
Then there are those who see that the bible is symbolic and none of it is as the churches interpret.
There is a lot of occultism in the bible. But one example to answer your jesus part...
The word sin is derived from "missing the target".
The target is your god given desires in this world.
If you die in sins means you will never achieve your goals.
Remember that god is within you...
Your beliefs and feelings, the subconscious programs create your external reality, just like in a lucid dream.
So people who are stuck in materialistic beliefs will keep trying to find a linear logical solutions to everything, and if they feel the lack of something they're pursuing, their belief and feeling will shape the circumstances that they'll end up in lack, just as they believed.
If you believe in christ, you die to your old self, get rid of the limiting beliefs... you will achieve things without trying. That's a gift you can only claim by believing and never earn through hard work.
Since god is within you and you are told many times to pray with faith, and in the NAME of god.
What is the name, and how tf do you pray in it?
"I AM that I AM… This is my name forever" (Exodus 3:14–15).
Meaning it is not the words that you say but what you internally say "I am" to.
Joel 3:10 says "let the weak say I am strong"
Jesus literally said "when you pray, believe you already received it"
Again, prayer has nothing to do with saying any words. The words may assist you in changing your internal state, which is all that matters. Feel the success of something before it happened physically.
Pretty much the whole believer thing is about your limiting beliefs and being saved means reaching your goal.
All the same shit you now learn from psychology, self hypnosis, quantum physics, that's a big part of what jesus represents in the bible.
Of course there is astrotheology in the bible, and of course there is a very small amount of secular history.
Of course there are evil illuminati trannies sacrificing babies to demons, but that doesn't mean you become sheep and believe everything the stupid pastor tells you, just because the bible was right about some things.
There is so much stuff, I hesitate to even begin writing anything because I will be misunderstood. It's called esoteric for a reason.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI don't have much time to be your teacher or something. But let me know if that was at least interesting.
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+1 yIt depends on what sect you ask- and for the older ones, when. Many of them now claim that if you accept God after you die, you can still get into Heaven; they've finally cottoned to the fact that religion provides benefits to you *before* you die.
And the Calvinists, to their credit, say it doesn't matter; if you're predestined, you're in, if not, you're out; your actions are immaterial. I have NEVER understood how that udea caught on; I see no appeal for anyone who's not a bastard.
The Mormons have multiple tiers of Heaven: one for Mormons, one for other Christians, and one fer everybody else, so at least you're okay with them.
The Zarathustrans have you cross a bridge across a chas. (like in The Last Crusade, but with a different god), whose thickness and width is determined by your virtuousness; I don't think specific faith matters too much there (but just in case, if you find yourself at the entrance to the Persian afterlife, don't praise Toyota until you're safely inside). Oxviously they're not Christian, but it brings up an important point:
The purpose of Hell, in Christianity, isn't eternal punishment; that would be pointless. It's more like what the idea of purgatory came from (Swedenborg didn't actually cdange that; he just popularized the idea): a place of refinement; of removing the damages and impurities of sin until you're fit for Heaven, which for some won't be until the end of the world. Presumably, most wouldn't take anywhere near so long.
If you're REALLY worried, then when you find yoursulf standing in judgement before Saint Peter, just say "I was killed by a mob of enraged Unitarians", and they'll HAVE to let you in, if only to hear the story.00 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yThis could be hell.
Thought God was all forgiving anyway? Just say sorry and all will be fine. If not. Maybe a person is snuffed on the spot. Which could have it’s own benefit. Avoiding another lifetime in hell.
Apologies. My neighbor treated me to hot chocolate chip cookies.. I’m starting to find the ingredients suspect. 😁 I’ll stop rambling thoughts…. Now.00 Reply
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+1 yI believe love, humility, sacrifice and suffering determine where you go and religion does not alter your status
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Well I have never read the Bible so what I'm about to say is just something that I believe in I believe that when we are born we are all given a gift and that gift is choice we get to choose who you want to be by the things we say and do I personally and a sinner because I choose to work to explore and experience things just so I understand them just about everything on this planet we too is a sin there's no way that I want to be perfect I helped tons and tons of people but that doesn't make up for me being a sitter I shouldn't because it's my choice experience something to understand something no I would like to think that God will accept this but he's the one that gave us a choice to have faith and whatever that faith is will be our fate I think if you can except that you are a sinner an honest about it at least you're being honest about it I look at it like this I do believe in when we die our energy lives on and we go on to another dimension another world they say you can't take it with you but I believe knowledge everything that you have said and done in this world does go with you so it is what it is for me I would like to hope that I do get to move on can I guess if I don't I don't I'm not going to worry about it right now but I will also make sure that my sins I have a reason for and they're not to hurt anybody or to take from anybody or be greedy it's basically because I want to understand something so I have to experience it
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+1 yLet's unpack it a bit - how many good deeds do you need to do to earn heaven? What if you're one or two short? Still cruel?
The whole point is that you need to do nothing. God isn't waiting for you to become a better person or tick some boxes. God is ready to accept you as you are, right now. Because he wants to empower you to be a far better person than you can imagine and live life to the fullest.
If we look at what Jesus taught, he said he came to save the unrighteous, not the righteous. The healthy don't need a physician, the sick do. His point was that the many of the religious leaders and government authorities thought that their outward show and pomp where they boasted how well they could follow God was deeply misguided and harmful. They beat others down spiritually, emotionally, even physically, and told them they weren't good enough and never could be good enough. Jesus said that they were wrong, and in the end the outcasts and sinners - the poor, the adulterers, the thieves, the little children, would be the one's to be welcomed into heaven. The rich, the powerful, the religious leaders, would be left outside unless they trusted that all of those things they had and did were worthless in the end.00 ReplyThis is one of the subjects that separated the Protestants from the Catholics. The Catholic thinking is that if you work hard, sacrifice a lot, suffer a lot of penance, and give a lot of money to the Catholic Church, that helps you get into Heaven.
The Protestant thinking is that all human beings are flawed and enslaved by sin, and the only way to get into Heaven is to ask God, as Heaven is only a gift from God. You can't 'earn' your way into Heaven. Of course, if you are truly close to God, his spirit radiates out of you, and you just do good things anyway.
As for Jesus, he said in the Bible, "I am the Alpha, and the Omega. No one can come to God the Father except through me." I take that mean, you have to accept Jesus to reach God, except maybe Jews, since they have a long relationship with God and are the Chosen People. Maybe they don't need Jesus, I don't know, but anyone else will be cast into Hell.00 ReplyGood deeds by us can't pay for any sin, so yes, they end up in Hell. If a billionaire gave every dollar he or she had to charities, it wouldn't pay for the sin of stealing one stick of gum. It's because we are all sinners. It's like trying to wash a car with a muddy rag and no water. It just smears the mud around. Jesus never sinned. He had no sin nature, so when He gave his life for mankind on the cross, it paid for all of our sins. We have to trust in him and not our own good works to receive this pardon. That's where Roman Catholicism and other false religions get it wrong by saying you have to do good works along with believing in Jesus.
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+1 yYes because according to the Bible God is the definition of what is good. Like if you´re not interested in god or not believing him that way you can´t be good.
An important part of Christianity is that you can´t be good enough to go to heaven, you rather have to acknowledge that there is no one that is rightenous before God only by his/her works.
That is harsh, yes but it follows the logic of the message or precisely if humans can be working their way into heaven, there isn´t a need for the cross.00 Reply- 4.5K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.
+1 yGod deeds don't grant you the right to stand before a Holy and righteous God as justified.
You and I and everyone else have sinned already and have fallen short of the glory of God.
You must be born again of a new spirit to inherit the kingdom of God and the only way to inherit eternal life and kingdom of God is by the blood of Jesus Christ and having faith in the Son of God, Jesus who justifies the sinner by having faith in Him alone.
No Jesus Christ, then hell bound go literally everyone regardless of how much of a "good person" they think they are in their self righteous high opinion of themselves.01 Reply- +1 y
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+1 yGod gives everyone a chance and many chances. When you burn in hell you will understand when it plays in your head like a bad movie every bad thing you done. Every chance you had to repent. Every time God gave you a chance to repent. Every time you questioned what if there really is a God out there and you fight the feelings off and God leaves you alone.
You have free will. If you pray for understanding God will give it to you00 ReplyHail Satan. Please start actually looking into your cult-*ahem* 'religion', you don't realize it now, but you're destroying your life. The bible literally is; ok with rape, ok with sexism, and ok with slavery. Is that really something you want to follow? ',:|
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+1 yyup that's a logical dilemma for faith. cause if you believe that god is so conceited, that he'll throw perfectly good people into hell just cause they didn't actively worship and praise him, then that would likely be an asshole god you don't want to believe in. but on the opposite end, if god would not throw good people into hell, then why believe? why worhsip? why go through the hassle, if you can just focus on being a good person from the get go?
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What are people who aren't perfectly good supposed to do? And is anyone actually perfect at doing good?
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@CountryWanderer well you don't know whether you're "good enough" either way. whether you litterally follow the bible or if you're not even a religious person. at the end of the day nobody knows how to be a good person. like if faith would solve that issue, people wouldn't constantly ask about wether something is a sin or not. it would be clear.
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I agree. That's why it's not about being good enough.
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@CountryWanderer what is it about then?
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Faith in Jesus. He was good enough for everyone
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@CountryWanderer and what exactly is the purpose of that faith? what's it bringing to your life that you'd be missing without?
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Everything. The whole point of life is to live in union with our Creator.
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@CountryWanderer what's the effective measurable difference between living in union with the creator and not doing that?
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Getting to live with God as we all were created to
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@CountryWanderer nobody lives with God. That's just a claim you make without anything to back that up. I asked for a real world difference. Not some made up stuff.
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Not made up. You're precluding anything that doesn't fit what you've already decided is real or not. We're getting off the question, now, which is why would God reject someone who has done good works.
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@CountryWanderer i'm not assuming things to be true before they have proven to be true. i don't "decide" what's real or not. the reality does. and in reality, things that "could or may be" don't matter. there only the things that "are" matter. and i asked of those things that are real an that do matter. and what does matter is how we conduct ourself to have a positive impact in the people around us and on our own life and our own development. and i jsut don't see how a faith in a god would have an influence on that. because you can be a horrible person and still have faith in god or you could be a great person and not have a faith in god.
so then if your faith doesn't really matter in the question of whether you're good or bad, then what is the point of it? that's my qeustion. i mean what would you say if i told you i put my milky teeth under my pillow cause the tooth fery picks it up? you'd say "lol yeah. that was your mom/dad, not the tooth fery" right? so that's what i'm doing here. - +1 y
i'm saying virtue comes from yourself, not from god. and that's the logical dilemma with faith. because if you canbe a good person without the faith in a god, then that faith is pointless. so most people will say that you go to hell if you don't bhelieve in god but then they'd have to admit that god is an asshole for putting good people in hell. or they would have to concede that god doesn't put good people in hell and then following that faith becomes pointless, cause you can be good without it.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yWhenever you are confused about one of the many things which makes absolutely no sense in religion you will find that if you simply remove religion the problem goes away.
Why is this?
Because religion is all bullshit.10 Reply
+1 yGood deeds are not what get you into heaven. If that was the case, we wouldn't need Jesus.
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Asker+1 yidkk but this doesn't makes sense
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No amount of good deeds are righteous enough to get us into Heaven. It's turning away from sin and accepting the gift of Jesus's gift of sacrifice as Jesus as your savior. It's that simple.
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Sorry, I was doing 3 things at once while typing.
It's turning away from sin and accepting the gift of Jesus's sacrifice and accepting Jesus as your savior.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ythose who do not accept the free gift of Christ
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shall be placed inside the snake of outer darkness
Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
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+1 y" all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" isaiah 64,6. nobody is righteous except by faith.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yDepends on which sect of Christianity you follow. Some say good deeds will save you. Some say it won't. The whole religion is a mess of splits sects and schisms, every one of them insisting they are the only right one...
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+1 yI believe there is no heaven or hell. When you die you die, and there is no point in embellishing on that fact.
00 Reply3.8K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. What makes you think Jesus has any say in the matter either way?
Even Jesus in the bible never said it.00 Reply
+1 yMaybe there is an atheist heaven version. Would be nice.
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There is. You are in it right now. Heaven is not a place you go to...
The physical mental emotional spiritual and the other planes all overlap and exist simultaneously. I bet that's nonsense for you, I'm not intending to make it super clear.
Anyway what a wonderful way to live if you think "I'm in heaven right now". You are the universe itself that divided it's consciousness and wiped its own memory to have a human experience. Right? - +1 y
@Guy__ Too many hardships to call this heaven. I wouldn't say it's nonsense no.
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One way to interpret heaven is that our thoughts solidify into our reality.
I'm sure you experienced thinking of someone and they call you that moment.
Or you desired some cool food to eat and the next day circumstances lead you to actually eating it.
Our minds have creative powers.
Did you ever repeat in you mind a phrase about yourself and a minute later someone says it word for word?
Or listen to a music track and later that day someone sings it?
That's why we can learn spiritual science, because we know it happens but we haven't perfected the way we use our minds.
This 3d world has such a density that it takes time for our imaginations to manifest. But it clearly does happen similar to lucid dreams and astral projections, just slower.
+1 yTechnically if you're a non believer, you just die and become dust and all that. Heaven and hell are only for believers.
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+1 yThat's what the bible says... if you chose to believe in those kind of fairy tales... some people just need that kind of reassurance I guess..
00 Replyevery religion Claims to be the TRUTH... and they all condemn anyone that doesn't follow their particular faith... it's All, B. S. God Loves us all, humans divide us for profit
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thats why it’s called judgment day.
some bad believer will even go to hell, and good unbeliever will go to heaven00 ReplyHe's not cruel.
He gives you a choice and then abides by your choice.
That's not cruel.00 Reply
+1 yIf you think God can't be cruel you haven't been paying attention.
00 ReplyNon believers dont go to hell because they dont believe it exists...
00 ReplyGod is a Just God. Not cruel. There's only one way into heaven and being good is not it.
00 Reply771 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. I never knew you and thrown into the lake of fire. Good deed are works not salvation
00 ReplyYes because they willingly denied God.
00 Reply3.4K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. Yeap
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