Do you agree with this opinion on Yahweh?

[Juxtapose]

"Yes, I find it completely nonsensical when someone refers to the Christian god as a good and just god.

In the Old Testament he creates a species with very particular care, so much so that he designs them in his own image. He punishes them and all of their offspring, including us, to live on a hostile planet full of misery, death, disease, famine and decay, all for the crime of rebellion. What rebellion? For exercising the free will he “gifted” us, by eating an piece of fruit from the tree of knowledge. How dare we? Showing a great insecurity, feeling his authority and power threatened he destroys paradise and convinces his followers that it was an act of justice and puts the blame onto his own creation for an offense.

He floods the entire world for crimes that are not even specified, save for one family.

He commands a father to sacrifice his son to prove that he loves god more than his own child and to show his fear of the ultimate power in the universe.

In the New Testament, he apparently could think of nothing better to save humanity from the original sin which he gifted us in the first place, than by having a man, some say himself, others say his son, to be tortured on cross and become a human scapegoat for all of humanity. The vicarious redemption would strip away the sins of the sinful, without consulting the victims of the crimes in the first place. Rapists would be not be found guilty, without God asking the opinion of the woman that was the object of the painful and traumatic event. Jesus and God consider themselves to be the ultimate victims of these human crimes and don’t take into consideration the real ones. And finally he creates an afterlife, split in two, one for the righteous, where they can spend an eternity praising the dear leader, and one where those not offered salvation, those who don’t believe, are condemned to an eternity of never ending torture.

Gosh sounds like such a nice guy."

I had to cut a lot of text, too long.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Ahhh this actually is what the Bible is all about. If you really study it, the Bible hints that god in actuality is a collective of all of humanity and life force that exists in our reality.

If you really think about it objectively, the Bible goes out of its way to show us that Jesus’s relationship with God isn’t really that much different than anyone else’s journey with god in terms of capability. With the exception of some key differences, 90% of his relationship with God the Bible reminds us we should aspire to do the same.

One of the messages of the Bible is that we are all capable of great acts of kindness, evil, love and hate and these negative things often come from some form of self hatred.

At the end of the 40 days and nights in the Noah's arc story, God essentially apologized and admitted the flood was … a bit much. (Not a direct quote)

Gods actions in the Bible are meant to be read as a different entity making these decisions, carrying out these actions to new readers, but after you’ve begun to learn its lessons about forgiveness, revenge and other aspects of being human, you should start to notice that God is a reflection of humanity as a whole.

You can’t love God if you don’t love yourself. You can’t love God if you have unabashed hatred towards anyone, even hitler or your middle school bully or the person who stole your partner away.

This goes in line with the alchemical ideology that everything is related to eachother. To make an analogy that would be easy for people to understand, you can’t have waves in a body of water without a peak and a valley, you can’t have power on your phone without both a positive charge and a negative charge, you can’t have anything without resistance and an opposing force. It’s a law of nature observed all the way down to subatomic particles and all the way up to personal relationships.

[worldscolide]

The god yahweh is a combination of an ancient sumarian god Yah and a mesopotamian god Weh. Hell most of the stories in the old testament are adapted from things like the "epic of gilgamesh" and the like. Some of the stories and traditions are from them, and the Egyptians.

Not saying it's false, just saying that the stories and beliefs in the Bible are not original and have origins that are not Christian.

Oh and for modern Christianity, the Christians post Jesus, stole pegan holidays like Christmas (yule) and Easter (beltane) in an effort to win more pegan to their side. This is actually well documented, from the council of Nicaea and the pope of that time.

[thenerdone]

The Garden of Eden is meant to be taken metaphorically as an explanation and insight into the nature of humanity, our relationship with God and our position in the world. By definition, one is repsonsible for anything done out of one's one free will.

He floods the entire world for crimes that are not even specified, save for one family.

The crimes are specified. By definition, God is perfect and just, Keep in mind Exodus was written in a very foreign place many thousands of years ago; their understanding and conception of God was likely quite different from ours, though God hasn't changed (by definition God changing is impossible).

“He commands a father to sacrifice his son to prove that he loves god more than his own child and to show his fear of the ultimate power in the universe.”

... and then commanded him not to sacrifice his child. And not fear, faith and devotion.

There's a lot wrong with your last paragraph. Christ was a perfect sacrifice, and because of Him everyone can be forgiven if they repent and turn towards God, no matter what they've done or whether they can be forgiven by anyone in the world. God isn't the victim of sin, the sinner is; evil is a self-destructive behavior. Nobody is sent to hell, you must go there of your own volition and deny every attempt of a longsuffering God to turn you away from sin and evil.

Your argument is based on a flawed conception of God as evil and unjust, which He, by definition, cannot be. I see this a lot: a childish, ignorant perception of the divine, an erroneous application of certain standards of human morality to God, making Him out as evil and imperfect, and the resulting conclusion that you are superior to God, which is quite literally satanic— pride and exaltation of the self above God is what got Adam and Eve kicked from the Garden, and Lucifer cast out of Heaven.

To live as instructed in the Bible is to deny yourself, take up your cross daily and treat every other human being with love and forgiveness and to serve God, the ultimate and all-powerful force of goodness and light in all things. And I don't mean to imply that I'm doing all of these things perfectly or even well; “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God”, I'm no different.

I apologize if I came. off as cold or harsh, and God bless you my brother.

[Juxtapose]

[Juxtapose]

[Juxtapose]

Your God is either evil or not worthy of being called a god. Which is it?

[thenerdone]

Holy crap, an actual argument against theism that isn't rooted in ignorance. That's genuinely quite rare.

[Juxtapose]

I've been at this for a while

[Drewtate]

I think the big thing you are missing is free will does not mean free from consequences. You for instance are free to murder your neighbour but not free from the legal consequences. It's not unlike a child who has been raised up right and given everything they need yet turn out bad and make poor life choices.

[DrPepper12]

God, the fictitious prick, is a sociopathic, violent narcissist. Why would you even CONSIDER worshipping this monster?

Wake up people! God doesn't exist!! Its a scam!! Stop being a useful idiot!!

[DJB72]

It's written from a false perspective. It treats Yahweh as a created being, not creator and wilfully disregards the full message of all 66 books that form the Bible as we have it.

[Nirmroth]

Sounds like those stories were written and thought off by *gasp* humans.

[Dongie]

I made as far as He punished. He punished NOBODY. You need to learn all the truths of God, not what you THINK God is.

[Juxtapose]

So God did not punish humanity for eating fruit he put there, knowing they would eat it ahead of time? He literally set them up.

[Dongie]

Now it's punished for exercising "pur free will". He told them one fuckin rule and what did they do. They fucked us all.

[Juxtapose]

What about the flood? Was that not punishment? What about the woman who looked back and was turned into salt? Etc.

[Dongie]

I'm getting to them. If you read the whole book, you find there were giants in the land in those days. The giants were spawned by the watchers, fallen angels. They saw that the daughters of man were smokin' hot. They had to have some. Now they are paying still. God picked whom he did because their bloodline was not tarnished by the horny angels.

[Dongie]

I almost wish you were right, but I'm not that desperate. Jesus is the very simple and easily done way to the good side of Eternity. You have very arrogant views of God. You presume to judge the Judge and Creator of you and everything else. Hah, that could create a mess. You need to understand what and why you are then maybe you'll get their.

[Dongie]

As far as the rapists and other offenders go. If you have no forgivness why do expect forgiveness? Are you sinless?
Jesus said " If you love me you will follow my commandments. There will be, I believe a hierarchy in Heaven. Strive to gain. Jesus says those who are first here will be last there and those who are last will be first.

[Dongie]

Finally, nice? You have no idea how fuckin nice!!

[Dongie]

No, the existence of circumstances exists in God's sinless creation. You sin you die. That's how it is. You can whine all day long and put the actions of a couple of people on God. That doesn't make it so. When you create a universe, you can make it as dirty and sinful as you want, but you can't change this one.

[Dongie]

Lots' wife was told not to look back. You think God shook a little dust and turned her into a pillar of salt, don't you?

[Juxtapose]

He made it happen.

[Dongie]

How, with free will. How so you know EVERYTJING there is to know Juxta? He needed that tree there. Satan had free will. You do know why he rebelled?

[OddBeMe]

Very true. And the NT doesn’t cancel out the OT. It’s all the “Bible”.

[noohair]

worship as you please, just don't complain to me.