Who knows? That most of the Christian holidays have pagen roots rather then Christianity?

[Kelly6]

[msmissydc]

I thought this was obvious. The reason was to convert pagans. That is also the reason most christian Hollydays dont make sense, because their date originally was a pagan thing first.

I am not sure there is a single christian hollyday thats not originally a pagan hollyday. Note that I exclude old testament hollydays as these are jewish in nature. There probably is one but they are rare.

[Kelly6]

@msmissydc
Wow

[electromagnetic]

What counts as Christian holidays?
Easter, Christmas, what else?

[Kelly6]

@electromagnetic add Halloween in it too

[Lynx122]

Halloween is not a christian holiday. It's an American holiday.

[Kaneki05]

Imagine thinking Halloween is American Holiday...
Someone needs a history lesson lol.

[electromagnetic]

@Kaneki05 It’s an honest mistake.

[purplepoppy]

The simple truth is people regardless of culture or religion like to party. Halloween is an agriculture based holiday, Christmas a way of cheering up the winter, Easter the coming of spring. Even if paganism or Christianity never existed we would have found and excuse to eat drink and be merry.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Yeah I heard about that, a lot of people don't think about it tho, at least where I live don't even think about origins of any holiday, or many traditions either. Just do whatever cuz enjoy it. 🤷‍♀️

I don't think the origin always matters very much but it is good to know.

[BetaBucks]

Yeah, my ex was a Jehovah's Witness and she told me this. I never celebrated holidays from a religious perspective, so I didn't care. And I don't have anything against paganism, so I really don't care. I just love holidays and I'm not going to be manipulated into hating them by a bunch of dejected sociopaths.

[Lliam]

I've known it for most of my life. That's what comes from reading and being curious.

It's funny how Christians condemn paganism when the dates of their own holidays were chosen to coincide with and co-opt pagan holidays. And many of their traditions like Easter eggs and Christmas trees are pagan.

[Breanna_nonbinary]

I’ve know for a long time. It’s no coincidence that Christmas is in the 5th and last day of the winter solstice. Nor is it a coincidence that Easter is still a pagan holiday. It’s the reason that it changes every year. It’s based on the lunar calendar.

[Kelly6]

@Breanna_nonbinary
Well I agree with you on holidays but, honestly lunar calendar is more accurate so it should always be that, because our solar sun is moving.

If someone can explain in better words, please do.

[Kelly6]

@Breanna_nonbinary
That's why we add 1 extra day to every 4 years to fix our calendar.
2024 and 2028 has 366 days, while 2025,2026,2027 have 365 days.

[Breanna_nonbinary]

The lunar cycle is 28 days. The earth has a solar rotation of 364.25 days, thus the reason we add one full day every year to correct for the.25 day. The reason we have the current that isn’t a lunar calendar is because it once was and became very inaccurate. It’s the reason we have months with 30 days and some with 31. It’s also the reason we added August and why the names of the months don’t accurately reflect their position in the year. I could go on but the fact is it was based on lunar cycles but it was wildly off after a few years.

[Kelly6]

@Breanna_nonbinary
Isn't that what I say in different words.
And its used in scientific community so I don't see the reason to have 2 calendars

[Breanna_nonbinary]

When I posted my reply you had also posted it at the same time. 😊

[Kelly6]

@Breanna_nonbinary
Hehe, yeah 😊

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yea but it's not about those roots, what matters is who you worship and give the glory too, none of the holidays I celebrate have me worshipping any pagans, to be honest I don't even know who and what the roots are for either of them, I just celebrate the accomplishments of the god I worship and the glory goes to him.

[paledreams]

Like the flying spaghetti Monster or pink invisible unicorn or Russell's Teapot in space? 🌌🚀

[FreyaRed]

Yes. Christmas is Germanic feast of winter solstice. Astronomically it's at 21. Dec. but at 24. Dec is the first noticeable longer day. Christmas tree is Germanic tradition as well.
Eastern as spring begin is part of many pagan cultures in Europe, rabbits, eggs, burning of Marzanna effigy (Godess of winter and death) and welcoming Vesna Slavic version of Oestara Germanic spring and fertility Goddess. Oestara gave Eastern it's Germanic name.

[WindAtMyBack]

Why do people keep bringing this up? EVERY holiday, this comes up, usually multiple times. They think they are making a statement, when they are not.

Everything in modern times is the result of thousands of things from the past. Virtually everything will have some remnants of paganism, and a million other things. It means nothing.

[OtterMan68]

It's called syncretism. It was a way for Christians to more smoothly incorporate pagans into Christianity.
The point is not the origins of the holidays, but their meanings.
It's like the cross. If you saw a cross 2000 years ago, it was a sign of death: someone was about to be executed. But today it means something different.
By the way, wedding rings are not in the Bible and do not originate in Judaism or Christianity, but Christians still use them.

[normalice]

Pretty much all religions plagiarize pagan religions.

[paledreams]

Though I am glad both are now superseded by secularism - you can still have Halloween, with candy and costumes, without the - negatives. 😋✌🏻 Same with Christmas. You can have pine trees, presents, day off work, and possibly snow in some climates - and no need to struggle out of bed for religiousity 😅😋

[LiamJHayden]

It should be fairly obvious, especially something like the way Easter is usually celebrated. Eggs, rabbits clearly signal fertility, not the resurrection.

[paledreams]

Easter especially deserves our admiration - chocolate, eggs, rabbits, the season - no need for church at all 😃😉 just eat in moderation the chocolate 🍫🍫🍫

[paledreams]

Hooray pagans were superior lol 🎇🎆 - ah well. It's like rip-off's lol or plagiarism lol 😆😆 😂 whoever knew the pagans knew better, minus those sacrifices or creepy rituals with blood if any - vomits 🤮

[slatyb]

Everyone who knows anything. The Christians pretend they invented the spring and mid-winter holidays but they are thousands of years old. They just renamed them.

[AviatorTom]

Seems reasonable. Paganism, animal worship, sun worship, etc. came long before Christianity, so why not have Christianity adopt some pagan days and convert the rituals to Christian ones.

[buzzword]

Most Christian holidays are set to celebrate particular Christian Saints or Jesus specifically. So it's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

[LiamS95]

It's true that most holidays period have Pagan routes. I think you're talking about the public holidays that then general population thinks of them as Christian holidays but none of the public holidays actually have any Christian roots.

[Grond21]

This is been debunked so many times is a joke.

Name one pagan origin of any one holiday, and I'll show you it's false

[TheRealPepperPotts]

@Grond21 I am genuinely curious about this, actually. I'd love to hear what you have to say on this. I was in a group for many years that held the position that Christmas is pagan and derived from the Roman holiday Saturnalia. Therefore, they wouldn't celebrate it. At the time, nothing I said could break the perspective, although I quietly and strongly thought it was an absurd hill to die on.

Romans 14:5-6a "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it..."

If you don't feel like answering, no worries! :)

[Grond21]

I would love to discuss it with you! I'm not an expert, but I'd be happy to link clips from someone who is and brings receipts to these kind of questions.

I believe that the idea that Christmas came from saturnalia was first put forward in the 1800s and has since gained a lot of popularity, as this was the same time that groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses got their start and they hold this view very strongly. But when examined it doesn't hold up. Saturnalia was a holiday that lasted for multiple days, not just the 25th. Christians who first chose December 25th for Christmas did it because it's 9 months after March 25th, which is the historical and traditional birth date of Jesus. It had nothing to do with making themselves look better for pagans.

That is my understand

[Grond21]

youtube.com/shorts/5twjDpn4QIQ?si=WStjcOe7ZR8HvKOl

He has longer, more in-depth videos on this too. And it looks like Saturday was on the 17th of December

[TheRealPepperPotts]

@Grond21 Oooohhh, the plot thickens! Absolutely. With the holidays just around the corner, it would be perfect timing to dive into it again! Thanks! :)

[TheRealPepperPotts]

Thanks! I'll check it out. :D

[Grond21]

I like that reaction! Please let me know what you think. The video I linked is only 30 seconds so it's a nice little taste to get it started

[TheRealPepperPotts]

@Grond21 Watched it. Looks like I've got some reading to do; yay! :)

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
and where did Christmas tree come from?

[Grond21]

Yay! I would love to know how your research is going when you make some progress.

@Kelly6 glad you asked. These two 30-second YouTube shorts answer that question

youtube.com/shorts/e2Ff1uRWQqk?si=zY-f7brfNVao5ELp

youtube.com/shorts/RfQmI1HPSAI?si=jgNZJlkB5c1TMj8E

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
question is why evergreen?

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
Pagans would bring fir trees into their homes at Yuletide because it represented everlasting life and fertility. The Yule tree is decorated with lights, candles, and other festive ornaments to celebrate the return of light after dark days.

[Grond21]

Did they actually do that though? According to this video, which quotes the primary sources, Yule tide came after Christmas, there's no evidence there's any link between them, and there's no evidence that the pagans used evergreen trees this way. Did you get it from Alexander Hislop?

youtube.com/shorts/AeEVfONqK0E?si=QTP8hAudBSCpSgOW

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
and stop sending videos. looks like you don't do any research but listen to what others say on videos.
Do a research on what did loki used to kill odin to take revenge.

[Grond21]

I'm sending you videos of people who are quoting the primary sources. That's literally the definition of doing research

So what if Loki used an evergreen tree. It doesn't mean everything that anyone else ever did with evergreen trees somehow comes from the Loki myth. That's just bad scholarship

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
no i got it from analyzing religions myself, pagan used Fir tree.

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
no loki didn't use evergreen tree.

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
if you didn't do any research or don't know of things, best is not to prove others wrong.

[Grond21]

I'm not an expert on this and I'm not pretending to be. But I did give you an expert, and primary sources that refute your claims. I didn't prove your claims wrong, the primaries sources did

[Kelly6]

@Grond21
ok then good.

[TheWombRaider]

Well I would have to call bs on that... Because I bet you can't name 1 Christian Holiday other than Christmas or Easter. And neither of those 2 holidays have pagan roots. If anything they have Christian roots that tried to convert pagans.

[elaphe]

The roots of holidays like Easter and Christmas (the resurrection and birth of Christ) are Christian. Some pagan rituals/symbols were appropriated to make the holidays more palatable to non-Christians to facilitate their conversion.

[Kaneki05]

Of course it's one of the funniest things when they cope saying there not.

[Nifrayu]

I'm not familiar with Christian holidays. I remember learning that Easter is one. That was explained to me about 12 years ago. I was a bit confused about it at the time.

[Dargil]

It was us Christians engaged in Cultural Appropriation.

[llorando]

As a Christian who's a big history, I know Christian holidays have their roots in pagen traditions.

[Dongie]

Yes I know. It troubles me greatly. But what can you do except observe it for what it's meant for and push aside the pagan history of it.

[Grond21]

It shouldn't trouble you, as it is completely false

[kaucky1]

Holidays mainly got Pagan roots go way back before humans came into existence those holidays were enchanted

[RedInnocent69]

Yes, they do. To leverage existing cultural customs.

[MrGSpotHer]

Yes I don't worship the devils they do not saying pagons did mind

[luvstoned4him]

Just found out around COVID

[Wise4myage]

Yes, I’m aware of that.

[236color]

Who knows this? Any neo-Pagans.

[FunkyMonkee]

I do. It's true.

[CubaPirate]

I knew that too

[DrPepper12]

I would think most people. Saturnalia was 🔥🔥🔥

[helva]

I know.

[Charliefretz329]

I know this, most people don’t

[Bklynbadboy12]

Okay what the point of this question

[Ladsin2]

Everyone.

[msc545]

Pagan

[Anonymous]

Sinful liar