Do women need men anymore?

[User92]

[JDavid25]

Yes, in a general sense women need men, just like men need women.. Without men, a lot of hard, and dangerous activities wouldn't get done.. Since men have the testosterone, and vigor to actually like them, and get it done.. But on a personal level.. Since in today's society a woman can survive well without a man, they don't "require" man. But, they may need the man that is right for them in a way that can them to the next level.. Same with men and women.. But women don't need men in a way where if they don't have us they'll die unhappy.. Lol..

[JDavid25]

Thanks for MHO! :)

[User92]

Your welcome 😊

[hellionthesagereborn]

Considering men run our entire infrastructure, every major occupation that we need to have a modern society (engineering, inventing, construction, police, fire, military, running of nearly all major companies, manufacturing, medicine (women only are the majority in pediatrics and nursing), EMTS, mining, oil rig workers, almost all industrial jobs, etc.) so no, without men women would die and that's before you take into account the whole reproduction thing.

[snowangle]

I'm sure that if men were to spontaneously all die off, women would quickly fill all those empty job openings and we'd be alright. But yeah, the reproduction thing would get us eventually lol.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@snowangle No, you wouldn't. You could now but you choose not to. You do not have the mentality for it nor the build for it. Your not going to work in the freezing cold at four in the morning with a slipped disk repairing power lines. Your not going to be doing the manual labor of building a house, both because you don't want to and because you do not physically have what it takes. That's just a fact. Again, if you could, you would but you don't. I find it funny how women are happy to talk about how men are obsolete, that men don't matter, that women can do anything a man does but the moment a man points out the very real fact that they are as needed in society as women these women, these same women who scream about equality get pissed off and try to deny the very real facts. They are paying women to get into STEM fields, and its still not working. You need men. That's not a question, that's a statement of fact.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@snowangle There is nothing wrong with not being able to do something. Women have needed men for all of history and will continue to need us, we are built significantly different then women, we are far more likely to do hard labor jobs and dangerous jobs, all of which are vital to the functioning of our society. Women also create a net deficit in taxes, men create a 200x more net profit for taxes so without us a government couldn't run anyway, women cost society more then they produce. Again, this is not an insult towards women, they are not built to be workers and producers, they have tasks they are uniquely designed for, very important ones, ones that are so important I cannot understand why women are convinced that they are irrelevant, because they are not. This idea that only the masculine matters is quite honestly insulting. That's why women now a days can't handle being told they cannot do the masculine tasks, because they have devalued the feminine roles in society.

[snowangle]

I've seen women do all kinds of jobs. I know we have it in us if it's necessary. But keep telling yourself that.

In any case, men certainly aren't obsolete. Both of us are necessary for the other's survival and it's silly to pretend otherwise.

[Marellia]

You forgot the fact that men would die without women too because women are ones who give birth.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@snowangle No you don't because again, you would do it. Women don't do these jobs, no matter the pay no matter the incentives given. Women do not go out of their way to do jobs that might physically harm them (women are very much risk averting), they also take more time off when they have a family meaning they work less, meanwhile a man works more because he is wired to provide for his family hence him being more likely to take a job that is unpleasant if it earns him more money to give to his family. Its not an opinion but statistical empirical fact. You wanting to believe you can do it all even as women prove time and time again they cannot will not change that. Again, you will notice that no man talks about how he can do it all, no man talks about how men don't need women. Makes you wonder why women are so narcissisitic to believe they don't need men, that they are some how superior. That's fucking sexist and stupid given all the evidence that proves otherwise.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@snowangle But believe what you want, not that I need to tell you that, I just wished that women would stop being so sexist maybe acknowledge all that men do for once. Its a nice dream to have.

[Lili255]

@snowangle Women need men much more than other way round. The weaker needs stronger more than other way round. History and reality bears witness of that. And there's nothing that you feminist pigs can do about it.

And women exist because of men, not the oother way round. First human being was a man.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Lili255 The way I see it is that men are the machines that run society and keep us alive and functioning, women are (or where once upon a time) the mechanics that keep men running. We both have our place, they are both important. Its just in our current society no one wants to admit how important men are, hence so much sexism directed their way.

[Aaron1456]

You'd have sperm banks just injecte it in

[RJGraveyTrain]

I don't "need" a man the in the traditional sense. I work and support myself, I don't need a provider. I WANT to be with a man because I value partnership and I happened to have found one that I love, and our bond is strong enough that I FEEL I need him, because of how much I care about him, but I don't need him for the sake of fulfilling my necessities.

[rjroy3]

For sake of argument. Wouldn't having a high value on companionship equate to needing a man to fulfill that role, since another woman or an animal cannot? Like yes you could survive without a man, but on emotional level you still have that need.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@rjroy3 High value man? Arguably no. Before I met my boyfriend I had actually planned on remaining single. I choose to be with him because I love him. NEEDING something to me is a necessity - meaning you couldn't live without it. I could, realistically, live without a man, but I choose to be with one, because my love for him feels as strong to me now as a need, but I wouldn't die without it. I function very well alone.

[rjroy3]

Gotcha gotcha. So when you say need you equate it to, without this I would die. Yes?

[RJGraveyTrain]

@rjroy3 Yup

[Aaron1456]

Ya and women only won't the 20% of dudes get a women for partnership

[bang678]

If a woman wants to have a baby? Yes.
Otherwise no. We don't NEED men.
Does that make all women man haters? Of course not. Men don't NEED women to survive either.
We're all self sufficient people who enjoy the company of other people.

[LittleSally]

Depends on what you mean by 'need'...
To be able to sustain themselves - no.
To have a partner in life - yes.

... But neither guys nor girls will die if they don't have an SO...
It's nice, but not vital.

[snowangle]

I mean, we're not financially dependent on you anymore, which is nice. But we still like your company.

[snowangle]

@downvotes: Kindly explain why being financially independent is a bad thing? Do you want us to leech off you or not?

[Arya_Christ]

I don't know why there are down votes but it is funny somehow. one up vote from me.

[LaFemmeFatale]

Depends for what... We don't need them to stay alive anymore, but we need them to feel happy and fulfilled, that's why women say they want you. You're needed because you're wanted. Every heterosexual woman who says she's totally happy without male presence in her life, is just pretending she's fine, lying to herself, same goes for males.

[hellionthesagereborn]

So you don't need food?(Men run almost all of agriculture) You don't need homes (Men are the ones building everything)? You don't need roads or supplies transported (Men not only make up almost all construction jobs but also truck driving, and shipping both with trucks, trains as well as boats and planes)? You don't need electricity (all mining of coal and oil rig workers are male, as well as electricians and repair men as well as power plant workers, most are male)? You don't need protection (almost all police, fire department, and military are male)? You don't need medical help (Almost all physicians are male with the exception of pediatrics and OBGYNE, almost all surgeons are male as well as most EMT's and paramedics)? You don't need a government (most politicians are male)? You don't need funding for all of these thigns (men pay 200x more in taxes then women over their life time (women produce negative net gain in taxes)? Strange, data suggests otherwise.

[LaFemmeFatale]

@hellionthesagereborn According to your speech there are no women left at all. I said I want a man in my life. No need of such demagogical speech. Are you stupid or ehat? Don't you have any other things to worry instead of whether a stranger woman thinks she needs a man in his life or not? Are you stupid enough to not guess that I sprak about romantic life and not all the men out there? Today I had an argument with one sexist male, enough for one day. My answer was positive, only idiot would think it was against men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its not demogogical, its a statement of fact that all infrastructural jobs are done by men. Again, that's not ego, that's not hyperbole, that's statistical fact. Its also statistical fact that men are more likely to take on harder and more dangerous jobs because one, they simply are more inclined to take risks vs. women who play it safe (which if every one played it safe it would get us no where), two because they are physically stronger and more resilient then women and thus are more able to do those more strenuous jobs, three men are still expected to be the bread winners in society (women demand they not be forced into their traditional roles, they are not however so generouse when it comes to men shirking theirs). Further more, how can you claim that my statement, again purely based upon statistical data, is demagogical (considering, again its not political, it does not use prejudice its merely citation of statistical fact) when your stating that we don't need men?

[hellionthesagereborn]

I mean, don't you think that's hypocritical? Its not men saying we don't need women, that society can function just fine without them, its women saying this. Its you saying this. Its you who is saying that men are not needed but women like them so they can stay (like where some kind of pet). So I think you really need to look at what your saying, to reflect on your views and maybe consider that what you stated was in fact very sexist and discriminatory. As for the rest of your ramblings, no idea what your talking about, but you did say you didn't need them to stay alive and as I pointed out, that was factually incorrect. I wish that I could get away with only talking to one sexist woman but unfortunately, your not alone in your belief that men are not needed in society and only have the purpose of entertaining you and making you happy (funny, women so often talk about how they don't exist to make men happy, clearly women do not hold the same view for men, as you have illustrated).

[LaFemmeFatale]

@hellionthesagereborn 😂 Seems like my words made you feel unwanted or something. What I said is that women can survive without having men in their luves, we are not weak, defenseless creatures anymore, I myself work in court whicg was once considered a job of a man and been single and felt pretty good all my life, If I needed a man It would be otherwise right? Men are vital parts if society just like women but now women became stronger than they've ever been and It's good, you shouldn't feel unwanted but actually happy because a woman chooses you not brcause you're her only chanve for survival and live a good life, just like it was in middle ages, but she chooses you because she wants you as much as you want her in your life. We need air, we need food but we want the man.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Your words made me frustrated that so obvious a fact could be so blatently ignored. Seriously, its not women defending the country, its not women patrolling the streets (only about 20% of the police force is women) its not women mining or running our infrastructure but for some reason women still insist that men are not needed and act as if THEY are doing everything, while completely ignoring the fact that the majority of labor and work and defense are done by men. It bothers me for the same reason it would bother me for some one to look up at the blue sky and claim that it was in fact poka dot. I just cannot grasp how one could come to such a conclusion given the extreme amount of data both statistical and anecdotal. You say your not weak, that's provably false. Males have denser bones, 25% more collagen in their skin (makes it thicker) about 56% greater upper body strength, 45% greater lower body strength etc. Hell women suffer ptsd more often then men,

[hellionthesagereborn]

think about that. women, we are talking the less then 10% of the military that is female, who do not operate on the front lines are far more likely to suffer from PTSD (and die from injuries) then men who are actually in the front lines, who are actually getting shot at, blown up etc. Its fairly apparent that no, your not particularly strong, well you as a woman, you personally may in fact be the exception to the rule (but doubtful). As for working in courts, what the hell does that have to do with anything I stated? Infrastructural occupations, manual labor jobs, building, defense and protection jobs, agricultural jobs are all done by men. Also really talking about women being barred from working in the court system? You ever heard of Lemma Barkaloo? She became a criminal defence lawyer in 1870(women where discouraged from many jobs, but more often then not women chose not to work because, well work sucks to be honest).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Now on a personal level, sure you don't need a man, but that's because you have a legal system that will tax a man and force him to take responsibility if you for instance get pregnant, its not you taking care of that child alone, its you taking that mans money (and the states) which comes from men (men pay 200x more in taxes then women). You need a man for food because your sure as hell not growing it, nor is any other woman for that matter. You need a man to build your home, because your sure as hell not building it (nor is any other woman for that matter). You need men to function as military because its not you or women who are going to risk their lives for others, same goes for police etc. etc. So yes you do not need a man on a personal level (your going to later in life of course when you want a family because you know reproduction requires a man, or you know you can grow old alone (women hate that thought in general (as do many people)) but you sure as hell need them for

[hellionthesagereborn]

for quite literally everything in your life that you use, eat, live in, or buy. So really can you say you don't need men? Its not women who are advancing technology or the sciences, its not women who are furthering our engineering abilities or anything else that actually make society not only run but actually progress. So yeah enjoy your life without men but at least acknowledge their invaluable role in society (its getting annoying hearing women complain about everything about how sexist the world is but then have them turn around and claim that men are obsolete and we don't need them any more (after men literally built and maintained civilization to the present day). Also congratulations on getting a bachelors and finishing your four years of law school by the age of twenty, that's pretty impressive.(I'm sure that you not specifying where in the courts you work was just an inadvertent omission?)

[hellionthesagereborn]

So you stating you don't need a man is as stupid as a man saying he doesn't need a woman, it ignores biology and how human beings work. Its kind of like saying we don't need love, yeah actually we do, we literally will die. Its like saying we don't need to be entertained, again, we do extreme bordem will cause brain damage (three days without significant brain stimulation will cause permanent brain damage). Its like saying we don't need friends, again, we do isolation causes all sorts of mental issues, brain damage and if it goes on long enough usually death (either by suicide or just by giving up on life). Plus the most romantic thing a person can hear is "I don't actually need you/I don't need you in my life/I would be perfectly happy and content without you", really sets the mood. I do hope you find the man of your dreams who will wisper that into your ear in a romantic setting. Bet your getting all tingly just thinking about it right?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Seriously, starting to see the point I'm trying to make? The reason why women say this so flippantly is because quite honestly no man has ever told a woman this (which I am starting to believe they should). The second a man says this to a woman she would flip out. It would actually be hilarious now that I think about it, right up their with a woman not being looked at or acknowledged by men (those same women who claim that a man looking at them is harassment would be falling into a depression by the end of the day if all men just stopped acknowledging her (at least no more then they would any other man) it would be funny as hell.). Any way, yeah, facts, inconvient I know.

[tartaarsaus]

I think on the grand scale, if one gender were to die off, we'd have quite a few problems.

Individually, not necessarily. Nowadays, lots of women can financially support herself and have a place to live. For other things, I do think women need men and vice versa

[tartaarsaus]

well, it is not absolutely imperative to have a men, so not in that sense of 'need'. Rather want

[GetMeBleach]

You don't NEED a man to live. To have a child and get married, yes, you need a man for a child. Most women want a man to feel loved and to love, and maybe have a kid. But in general, you don't NEED a man, you can want a man, but you don't need one to survive.

[BrittBratt2416]

Of course, we need each other. But to fix the problems between man and woman, we need to communicate.

[RealandGenuine1991]

I've always wanted a man to love and to care for. I finally have one who means so much to me. we've grown stronger. and i love being apart of his family.

[nowhere_dani]

Nobody "needs" anyone per se -- but I love being with a man and having a man to depend on and love and adore...

[Underduress]

They don’t need us anymore- they still want sex once in awhile –it is better that way that we all stay single – keeps life simple

[lyonheart]

I am not spiritual at all but yeah, this men-women thing is mutual we both 'need' each other. And the word 'need' can be defined accordingly.

[IHaveLists]

Most of us want a man but it doesn't mean we need one. Women never needed men. We are capable of taking care of ourselves. It's funny how some guys are narcissistic enough to think that women need men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

You do. Its narcissistic to think that you don't. You'll notice that men don't talk about not needing women but women are more then happy to throw men under the bus, which is funny because men do all the jobs women absolutely refuse to do, like all the jobs required to run a soceity (infrastructure and security to name a few). women tend towards psycology, social work, teaching and nursing. Guess which jobs are more important to the sustaining of a society and nation? Its not psycology.

[IHaveLists]

@hellionthesagereborn I dont and it's not narcisstic to know that I dont. Except Mgtow, men don't talk about not needing women because no one tells them that they need women. Women have took on those jobs and succeeded. Women have survived on their own in the hunter gather days.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Your clearly oblivious to how society works or history. No, women where not on their own in the hunter gatherer days, where the hell did you get that information from?(because either they are idiots or out right lying). Men operate all important jobs in society, that is every single infrastructural job. They also are the ones who do all the security jobs like police, fire, military. They are the ones who do all the building, all the mining, all the engineering, all the maintanence. They are the ones who produce more then they consume hence a man producing 200x more in taxes (over his life time) then a woman does. No, you would be dead without men. You absolutely need men, in fact in every attempt to prove otherwise this fact has only been proven to be true. Every time they have a contest between men and women, its women who lose. Hell do you know how many survivor-esque shows have pitted women and men against each other? Every single time its the men who do better, every single time.

[hellionthesagereborn]

We are wired to perform certain tasks, the ones that keep society functional are done by men, the ones that keep people functional are done by women. You need men, you cannot replace us and if you attempted it you would die off with in a very short time, again this isn't opinion but objective fact. Their is a reason why women don't take on mining jobs, or construction, or engineering or anything that is either dangerous or physically grueling. Hell even agriculture is done primarily by men (almost entirely). So no, you would die off without out men, that's before even factoring in the whole reproduction thing. The reason why men are never told they don't need women is because we are not so egotistical or sexist to think that the other gender is useless. Sad that women can't say the same though.

[JustCallMeLeon]

A planet full of 8 billion women. 1/4 will be on their period. 2 billion angry bloodthirsty evil bitches. No man to yell at for no reason.
Apocalypse...

[MuffinHead]

Of course. Who's gonna make me a BBQ sandwich? I have no idea how to start a grill.

[Being_a_good_Indian]

Yeah both want each other just pretend they don't want.

[DamonGill]

of course women need men... just as men need women 😂

[IAmBlueThunder]

Yes. They need us literally to survive and also in an emotional sense. Look at old single women to get your answer. They're lonely and sad individuals with way too many cats.

[Machiavelli]

Kids shouldn't speak.

[IAmBlueThunder]

That isn't an argument. That isn't even a logical point. It's an attempt to make me mad. Well, it didn't work. People who have no arguments shouldn't speak, so you should shut your mouth.

[Machiavelli]

Oh well you sound man and from a logical standpoint, people who can't think straight when the're horny are idiots, so men should be quiet more often. For all we know you might be horny right now because the wind blows.

[Machiavelli]

sound mad* :)

[Machiavelli]

You're wrong about everything because of your genitals but I forgive you :)

[NajemEddine]

ofc who is gonna pay for their bills
and never believe the strong independant women bs
women never like to use her own money

[Sabertooth44]

I think that Women need men and also the other way around that Men need women i think very few people can stay happy single their entire life.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

In this day and age, there's really no reason as to why anyone should need anyone.

[CT_CD]

Yes since men keep society running. lol @ women thinking they don't need men.

[Kataclyst]

no, it has nothing to do with survival as much as just wanting kids and someone to love now so they dont need em, just want em

[Midget_Hug]

In what way? Because the answer changes depending. Interpersonal relations? Yes. Economic ones? No. Etc.

[Aaron1456]

No sadly and I'm not a misasigist or eneything but acually men need women otherwise they would all just die eventualy. I mean 'sperm banks' just inject the sperm from other women.

[Anonymous]

Need? Maybe not. But we love men and we desire them in our lives, for the most part.

[Deathraider]

Yeah, to reproduce. Male and female, it's biology. Otherwise, maybe friendship.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Scientists have figured out a way to turn ova into spermatazoa, so no, women don't need us anymore.

[Jeremiahbryant123]

Nope. Not in this day in time. They just use us to get what they want (materialistic things ) then they go off to the next guy

[Anonymous]

Yes, they need to get their pussy stimulated from time to time.

[meandane]

Not really, but they're nice to have.

[gregnator]

that sounds pretty misandrist

[meandane]

It's not. I love men, but I don't "need" a man.

[ChocEyes1]

I don't think they "need"

[JCT666]

No. Nobody needs anyone.

[Vacuum-Rats]

If they want to be a mother, they do.

[TonyRyanAgain]

Naw, they can buy toys, lol.

[Blitzkrieger]

did they ever need us?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah, we kept them, and continue to keep them alive. So without us, without men to drive technology forward, to protect and build and produce women would have died off.

[Blitzkrieger]

@hellionthesagereborn how much have you build and protected?

[hellionthesagereborn]

I'm sorry was that suppose to be a counter argument? It was a pretty inept attempt if it was. That's what is called a straw man argument, we where not talking about me specifically (or you for that matter) but men as a whole. So to answer the question of men as a whole being needed, yes we are yes we have been needed and in fact its been men who where the driving force of progress, of civilization, of enlightenment. Its men who protected women from others and from the environment itself. This is such a well established fact I find it strange that any one could say otherwise (though you seem particularly self hating so maybe that's why you think this way). All infrastructural jobs are done by men, this is statistical fact. Mining, engineering, construction, oil rig workers, technicians, doctors (barring pediatrics) surgeons, police, fire, military departments, farming etc, are all done by men or predominantly by men. So yeah, we know that women need us to live.

[Blitzkrieger]

@hellionthesagereborn nope. They dont need us, they need our labor. Not us personally.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well then, without us their is no labor so that's really irrelevant. They cannot and will not take on those jobs ergo they need us to do it for them. Don't really understand why you would suggest otherwise, and of course the whole reproduction thing and needing us as fathers (children without fathers generally end up being more likely to commit suicide, be promiscuis, abuse substances, get involved in criminal activity), so yeah, they need us. Its not even a question but empirical fact.

[Blitzkrieger]

@hellionthesagereborn the thing im getting at is that women desire us.

[hellionthesagereborn]

and men desire women, but desire is different then need and again, women need men and men need women. Don't understand why people are so adversed to this fact?

[Blitzkrieger]

@hellionthesagereborn they dont need us and we dont need them. We need oxygen but not women or men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah we do actually. You know reproduction. Society that actually keeps us alive, we are social creatures and without that social interaction and emotional romantic connections we become dysfunctional as has been shown with many many many different experiments and tests. But if you want to believe that go for it.

[Blitzkrieger]

@hellionthesagereborn you dont have romance because you need it but because you desire it. Do you not understand desire?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Do you not understand how reproduction works? It requires a sperm and an egg i. e. one male one female in order to work and reproduction is the singular purpose of biological organisms. Further more if you look at children, do you think they grow up functional without a mother? Without a father? They don't, their suicide rates go up dramatically as do their rates of promiscuity, criminality, depression, substance abuse etc. So children need mothers and fathers i. e. men and women in order to be functional human beings. Society requires the concerted efforts of both men and women in order to exist, society being the only thing that keeps our species alive and well. Ergo we can say with absolute empirical conclusiveness that yes we do in fact need both men and women in order to survive. How is this difficult to understand? I'm not understanding the confusion, its really cut and dry, its so blatantly obvious that I don't understand why your arguing otherwise.

[Rissyanne]

Of course...

[OhButterscotch]

Many do, many don't.

[Anonymous]

i need a man i don't know others

[LondonNewYork]

YES YES YES LOL!!

[rjroy3]

Yes they do.

[Cody01]

For diversity yes

[emerald77]

Some do.

[catelyntje]

Nope

[wankiam]

cool... we can get on with our own shit at last ;)

[catelyntje]

@wankiam like what?

[wankiam]

oh no... now you dumped us all you dont get to know that lol

[catelyntje]

@wankiam okay too bad

[Blitzberg]

Yeah for sex only

[cutemz]

Notvreslly

[jesusnicolas97]

Yeah in a way

[disgustingweebtrash]

Yeah