Are feminists more hostile towards men than non-feminists (read additional details before answering)?

[Staiby]

People on gag have made vague claims about feminists being horrible towards men without offering names and dates. To them it's as if hating men is the core of feminism. If it were, there would be feminist groups officially categorized as hate groups. The only two officially categorized gender-based supremacy hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center are The Return of Kings and A Voice for Men, male supremacy hate groups. A Voice for Men is run by Paul Elam, a man who is known for doxing women and promising that if on a jury overlooking a male-on-female rape case he would, in the face of overwhelming evidence that, vote to let the man get away with it.

Anyways, I've stumbled across a study looking at ambivalence towards men among feminists and non-feminists and it found that non feminists reported more hostility towards men than self-identified feminists. I vote no on my poll and I have this study to back up my vote.

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ837293 (Abstract)
Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists' and nonfeminists' attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.

You may vote

Yes

No

Some are, some aren't

Has nothing to do with ideology

I don't know

[Anonymous]

Of course feminists are more hostile towards men than non-feminists. One does not have to be a genius to figure that out, although it does require a modicum of honesty, something entirely missing in most feminists, including the three feminist women who authored the "study" you linked. LOL

Look, women in general, and women like you in particular, are generally clueless about the realities of how feminists treat men. Men, on the other hand, get to live the realities of feminism every day. We are the ones who get to be the targets of the feminist hatred you apparently never see. We are the ones who experience firsthand the feminist-on-man hatred that feminist are rightly known for.

So please, spare us your speculation and denial. Sadly, we know better than you do on this topic.

[Staiby]

fucken jesus, a lot of assumptions and generalizations you just made there.

by the way, their study has not been discredited. It's been peer reviewed. and you need to come up with a better rebuttal than just pointing out that the authors are feminist women. that's not a rebuttal at all. they're also psychology and sociology professors who know better than YOU on this topic.

[Staiby]

Also, as I complained about in the additional details sections, no names, no dates, just vague claims

[Yeetboi__]

In living color right here ^^^

[abc3643]

Definitely not.
If they were, then men would not:
1. Dump
2. Cheat
3. Avoid
their existing non-feminist GFs/wives.

But, like men, there are plenty of hostile asshole females no matter what their ideological leanings.

Being an asshole is rather universal. After all, God loves assholes because, the more assholes you have, the less uptight you and the less chance you have of being full of shit.

[Staiby]

Could you rephrase your answer more clearly? I'm getting tripped up in the way you worded it

[abc3643]

Feminism is irrelevant.

Females who are not feminist can be just as bitchy and hostile to men as females who are feminists.

[R_Cakes91]

I think there’s a small number of women who are actually like this but the majority of women are starting to talk to men how men talk to women, especially in the workforce... and men don’t like it.

I also just think that there are many butt hurt guys on here who have nothing better to do than to put an entire gender down for their problems.

[Staiby]

Just block the fuck out of them. Anyone who comes to my feminist-topic posts to just regurgitate the same old "feminism is cancer', and even just stuff that is plainly misogynistic, I just block them. To be exposed to misogynistic speech isn't good for my or anyone's mental health so I am right to do so. I'll talk to non feminists who don't resort to that of course though.

[R_Cakes91]

No totally, I block them as I see them now. I used to get all worked up about it but now I just feel sorry for them

[WillUPressTheButton]

Women have always been like that genius

[WillUPressTheButton]

Actually it has been seen as more acceptable for a woman to be rude to a man than for a man to be rude to a woman for decades

[Staiby]

@WillUPressTheButton been like what?

[Staiby]

that is only your opinion and nothing else until you can present a study that supports what you say

[Staiby]

and by the way. where did that come from? This is about ambivalence, hostile attitudes, towards men among feminists and non feminists. you're talking about man against woman rudeness vs woman against man rudeness. completely different subject so go somewhere else

[WillUPressTheButton]

I'll give real life examples instead of a biased study. For example. Have you ever heard the phrase "all women are beautiful"? There's no male equivalent. The phrase "never ask a woman her weight"? No male equivalent. You're expected to tip toe around a woman's feelings, the same expectations aren't granted to men. You're either delusional or in denial if you try to refute that. But if you wanna talk about misandry vs misogyny. Maybe do a Twitter search. See the trending hashtags. Remember when #menaretrash was a thing? On father's day, feminist went out of their way to steal it and make it about women. On international men's day the most popular tweets were about women. Go ahead and search "kill all men" and "kill all women" see what results you get. Better yet, go on r/mensrights and search "women" and r/feminism "men" and see which is more hateful toward the opposite sex

[WillUPressTheButton]

And search "men"*

[WillUPressTheButton]

Give you some actual evidence. Studies are released all the time contradicting one another, both can't be right so do the research yourself

[WillUPressTheButton]

Also, this was in response directly to what @R_Cakes91 said, so point out the fact that she made it a men vs women thing thank you.

[Staiby]

@WillUPressTheButton look at you bringing about gender warfare, far more than anything R_Cakes91 said.

First of all, my study isn't biased just because you say so. My study is peer-reviewed and also talks about in the abstract that there aren't many studies out there that explore the accuracy of the man-hating feminist stereotype.

by the way, you're complaining to me about how poorly men get treated when I'm already discussing hostility towards men, just focusing on whether or not it's an accurate stereotype of feminists, and my peer-reviewed legitimate study says it's not. I get treated like absolute shit when I say pro-feminist things, receiving ultimatums to stop identifying as a feminist and misogynistic comments.

If you feel strongly about hostility towards men vs hostility towards women, fuck off and make your own fucking post about it. I'm sick to death of being bashed with my stereotype when I don't hate men. I hate people who want to oppress women, who want abortions to be outlawed, who don't believe martial rape should be considered a crime (which also oppresses male marital rape victims as well), who judge women for having children and judging women for not having children. Both men and women are guilty for that. I know about Phyllis Schlafly.

And yes, there is no male equivalent... until something happens to men that calls for it.

also, men are trash is just a generalization. that way you generalize all women when you so we get away with being rude to men

[MzAsh]

The hostility I see towards men is actually most from other men, with insults like beta bitch boy, fag, pussy, simp, cuck, white knight, etc. I never see women throwing these words around nearly as much.

Regardless I am SO glad Return Of Kings stopped producing their content. That nonsense was inexcusably toxic and hateful.

[Staiby]

I notice that too. I hate the whole white knight concept. It's a double whammy insinuating that the only logical motivator for men is sex and that a woman's body is the only reason worth being nice to her.

I'm not sure about that. I had a quick google and their website claims they are just on hiatus. I'm not satisfied with that. Next and hopefully last male supremacy hate group to be wiped from existence is a voice for men. Paul Elam is so fucking disgusting. "Elam has declared that sexual robotics would force the “vast majority of women [to] suddenly have to prove their worth as human beings beyond simply being the owners of said pussy.” - www.splcenter.org/.../male-supremacy

[MzAsh]

Elam is deranged and psychotic.

[Yeetboi__]

Although im a year late, the internet is forever so this is my 2 cents.

25 and just dogging every comment? There's definitely some underlying TRAUMA and I need you to release it in a reply right now so please go ahead.

There's hate groups of both sides, however, the root of these issues are never backed up by viable evidence, and if it is, it's always portrayed by the opposition of sex. (AKA women/men blogs and internet posts... hell even modern day songs and internet podcasts.

Evidently, Women are bearers of sex, Men are bearers of relationships. And seeing that you @Staiby are 25, your profile status is most likely false. And if you are taken, I'd love to have a conversation with your s/o to validate how you treat them because your hostility is most definitely vile, however, I doubt the fire is still lit a year later on here.

You are what we call in the 'Danger Zone', and unless you're bearing children in the next 10 years, you're considered for high risk pregnancy. (So unless you're homosexual) Men these days are NOT wanting to be step dads. What you're portraying online, in this post specifically does not attract a viable male partner that would want to settle down and raise a family, but instead to just pump and dump... thus recycling your beliefs that are fueled by the INTERNET.

Majority of men, like myself, desire connection and femininity from a female we can honor our life to... vice versa! There's no other honor in the world but to become a biological father and continue to raise that child. And to NOT have you end up a single mother, alone, and REINFORCE the same beliefs you're portraying on this post despite horror stories you may hear. God I pray for the future children... assuming that's what you choose to do.

So TL;DR, because I know you're just gonna get to typing, you're showing your true colors. It's okay though because when all your other friends are getting married and having kids to take to soccer practice, you will still be on GaG arguing with the same men you were born to collaborate with.

I love all women.

@Staiby <3

[MeghanL]

Like most ideologies feminism covers a very wide spectrum.

Feminism at its core is about gender equality & the idea that women should be treated with the same respect & dignity that men are. Most feminists are not openly hostile, & they are willing to live in relationships with men who treat them with that respect.

Yes, there are the radical militant extremists who want nothing to do with men, many envisioning a women-only utopia where there are no men. They are quite hostile & misandristic, but they do not represent all feminists any more than the 9/11 hijackers represent all Muslims.

[Anonymous]

Feminists have been trained and indoctrinated to hate a detest men since birth. The entire media and feminist culture degrades men in the name of feminist domination. Feminists will hate men until they dance upon the bones of all men around the bonfire of once a civilization. Your studies are all feminist propaganda. Reality for men is feel the hate. All feminists are programmed hate-bots. You are about to prove that I am sure.

[Staiby]

I am a programmed hate-bot. I was trained and indoctrinated by Andrea Dworkins, she was my personal instructor on the most painful way to cut off a man's penis and testicles. I can wait to show you :p

[Opinion Owner]

I don't doubt it one bit because it is not within your fabric denounce her quotes?

[Staiby]

I wrote her quotes on my walls in penis blood.

[Opinion Owner]

I certainly believe that figuratively if not true and that deep down you do fantasize such visuals often.

[Staiby]

not deep down. it's all on the surface... did I not just come straight out with it?

[Opinion Owner]

Great, you are the first honest feminist I have encountered. So much for non-hostile feminists, eh?

[Staiby]

Feminists are not hostile towards men at all these days. It sickens me. Have they forgotten that all men are inherently rapists by their nature? For every man who still has his penis, a woman gets raped.

I like you however, you share my level of rationality.

[Amduscias98]

Yes. There's even a mod on here that's a feminist with a misspelled food name that's hostile towards men.

[Staiby]

You believe that feminists are more hostile than non feminists because you know one feminist mod? do you understand how that is a poor answer?

again, u offer no name. what's her name? and what does she say? what is the context. even if she is hostile towards men she is just one feminist. My study looked at the hostility of 488 participants and found that non feminist showed more hostile attitudes towards men than self-identified feminists.

[Amduscias98]

If you can read I never said "yes because of this one person". I said "there's even".

[R_Cakes91]

And by the way there are WAY THE HELL MORE dudes on here who are horrible to all the women on here.

[Amduscias98]

That's a "you" problem.

[Staiby]

If you can read my question, you said Yes to "Are feminists more hostile towards men than non-feminists" and you gave the reasoning that you know one hostile feminist mod

[R_Cakes91]

Well, I block these guys as I see them but they keep multiplying. Hard to keep up sometimes

[Amduscias98]

Yep. And I said yes to answer your question. You asked I answered. Don't be mad.

[Amduscias98]

Okay and?

[R_Cakes91]

And... you have an example of one mod who is hostile towards men. I’ve seen more like 100-150 dudes on here who are openly hostile towards women, feminist or not.

[Staiby]

@R_Cakes91 The more to block the better. I've developed a taste for blocking those types of people now. It feels so good every time I do it.

But in all seriousness, as good as block idiots feels, they still exist out side of gag, and they're out there in the world doing god knows what.

[Amduscias98]

Never seen any guys like that on here. Don't know what you're talking about.

[R_Cakes91]

Oh trust me, there are more idiots that not out in the world... and they are doing terrible things.

[Staiby]

I told a guy that the reason (among others of course) there are more male suicides is because men use more lethal methods (guns shot to the head) while women use less lethal methods (overdosing) and end up in the failed suicide attempt statistic, which women dominate. He said that women's attempts at suicide weren't real attempts that they all just did it for attention, no data presented, that's just how he feels about women. they're attention seekers. I checked out his account and saw he said that women who dress scantily are "disposable fuckholes" which is of course misogynistic

[Amduscias98]

What do you expect me to do about it?

[Staiby]

I ask you just to know that they do exist, even if you don't come across them yourself

[Savage_Wisdom]

It's so much feminist themselves, as how big of a roll the feminist movement has had in making society so anti-male.

[Savage_Wisdom]

Edit: It's not so much... (forgot the word "not")

[Staiby]

I present to you a study that shows the non feminist participants reporting more "anti-male attitudes". The man-hating feminist is an inaccurate stereotype

[Savage_Wisdom]

And I said it wasn't about feminists.

[Staiby]

an anti-male society where men dominate political power and get the bigger pay checks. disgusting isn't it?

[Sabretooth]

what hate group do you know that say they are a hate group?

[Staiby]

I don't think any group sees themselves as a hate group. Members of a cult don't purposely join a cult.

[Sabretooth]

agreed-on both counts. i do not believe they support equality-even the name suggests that's it's about superiority-in fact-there was one group who even said equality would hurt them. i've seen how it's damaged males, sex, makes women overly hostile to the most ridicules things. i've seen feminists attack traditional women, seen woman asking ''where are the real men'' and the like. i've seen that for all they preaching about equality-they don't really care for any action. i've seen them flatly ignore evidence against them. i've seen them attack while saying they aren't. i've had feminists literally flat out say they support other feminists. maybe i'm bias against feminists due to what i've seen and heard-but i have a hard time believing they ever accomplished anything other than destruction. IF they ever were a group that wanted and worked for equality-they made a fatal mistake.

[Staiby]

I can present you evidence to the contrary and I can also explain a few things but you promise me you'll listen?

[Sabretooth]

we'll see-i doubt it will change my mind and i could show you my evidence

[Staiby]

I'm not going to pour my heart and soul into something just for the other person not to be open-minded and just dismiss it all. I'm sick of it. happens all the time on here

[Sabretooth]

so you really have nothing.

[Staiby]

Here is something. www.feminist.org/nomoreexcuses/rapeisrape.asp

Feminists advocated successfully to update the definition of rape in the FBI Uniform Crime Report. Non-consensual anal or oral penetration, penetration with an object and male rape is now included in the definition.

[Sabretooth]

no offence, i would think any decent person would agree. here's something fro me: www.nationalreview.com/.../ this was the moment that i no longer doubted the belief that feminists didn't want equality

[Sabretooth]

i have spoken 2 feminists recently-both have supported the attacks against the more traditional women. last one i spoke too couldn't even be bothered to pay attention to the links-i repeatedly told her about how feminist's reaction to the boy scouts and girl scouts merger-and she STILL had to ask me what merger i was talking about.

[Staiby]

"i have a hard time believing they ever accomplished anything other than destruction", I just presented you a good thing, which you just agreed is good, that feminists worked to accomplish.

And what kind of response is that. "no offence, i would think any decent person would agree". And? You're saying you don't have to self-identify as a feminist to believe that is a good thing? Sure. That's the thing. Do you believe women having rights on the basis on equality of the sexes are a good thing? "no offence, I think any decent person would agree". Well that is the definition of feminism. That is the purest most uncomplicated form of feminism. When it gets complicated you'll deal with Karl Marxist feminists who believe gender inequality stems from capitalism and then there are Radical feminists who believe gender inequality stems from the patriarchy. In the 1980s there were the feminist sex wars which were collective debates among anti-porn feminists and pro-sex feminists. There are feminists who are pro choice because they want women to have control over their own lives and there are pro-life feminists who believe in women's rights but believe that abortion is wrong.

I read through your article. I support the ERA. I want it to be ratified by 38 states so that it comes into affect. And there are feminists who don't support it coming into effect. No shit. Feminists are not collectively consistent and they have separate feminist views from other individual feminists, feminists who identify with completely different schools of feminists.

You say "feminists don't advocate for equality" I ask "which ones?". Feminists are not all the same. No. Fucking. Shit

[Staiby]

*I support the Equality Act. Which is what the article was about (I got confused between the Equality Act and the ERA). There are Trans-exclusionary feminists that don't want male bodies in women's spaces. I don't know if they have ever seen a transgendered person. They are advocating for men who were assigned female at birth to use the women's bathroom. Men who have undergone hormone therapy, removed their breasts, wear men's clothes will be in the women's bathroom. And that would freak out women who come out of the stalls and see a man standing there in the women's bathroom. In women's perception, he could have followed them in there with plans to assault them. So I support the Equality Act because of my concerned for women's well being.

Also I heard a cisgender woman was arrested because she was perceived as a man trying to enter the women's bathroom. Couldn't find a link for that particular story but here is this story www.vox.com/.../women-bathrooms-harassment

[Sabretooth]

seems like the organization is just a big mess. look at this: www.debate.org/.../is-feminism-now-just-sexist-and-not-promoting-equality there is something seriously wrong.

[Staiby]

I don't support "attacks" on women who fully voluntarily chose to stay at home with the kids is all I can say. You haven't given me a link to show me exactly what are these attacks and who are the feminists who are doing it but even if you did all I can say is "I don't support it"

[Staiby]

I don't know what you are talking about. What was it you wanted to show me on your link? when call call it an 'organisation' (it's an ideology... or a movement) "a big mess" and say "there is something seriously wrong" you're being so ineffective because you're being so vague and it shows me you are not sure on what your own argument is

[Sabretooth]

lol. i am sure what my argument is. feminists talk about equality and unity-though, it seems to me-there's not even unity within your own community.

[Staiby]

okay i have had enough of you

[Anonymous]

Hating men IS the core of modern feminism. I wouldn't be caught dead supporting modern feminism. Their don't have good values.

[lucas262]

Why does anyone have to have hostility to anyone?

[Staiby]

answer my question, don't ask your own. make your own poll if u want to do that

[lucas262]

Ah Staiby, its been too long.