We had a LOT of fights about this on my college campus. It got to the point guys couldn't voice their opinions in classes or even rough house on the greens without being treated like thugs and even having campus police get involved. This is modern US where people are shot by cops over tiny misunderstandings so that's not trivial. Some professors even called men "a modern plague." (WTF?)
And in the surrounding community by our university there were... wait for it... THREE all-women gyms/studios. If guys wanted a better space than our dated college gym, they'd have to trek over to one of the graduate school facilities or leave town. And the mayor of our town defended this!
Anyway, I'm among the few women I know who're all for men having clubs and other spaces that cater ONLY to them. If we claim something's "wrong," like discriminating against someone for some biological characteristic they have no control over like race or gender, then it's absolutely unacceptable to DISCRIMINATE against other people who have different characteristics than ours. There are lots of women-only clubs and spaces at my school and I know there are many at the schools around ours. But there's not currently a single men-only space on any of the campuses I know of. Hy. Po. Cri. Ti. Cal.
@Bloodcap790 LOL The anti-male frenzy has gotten to the point that ANY race man is now considered a threat to society (the irony). Five of the people who've been the best to me my whole life are men--my dad and four brothers. And I've been present when two different women tried to accuse my brothers of rape, nearly destroying their lives. Both times I'd overheard the actual conversation and witnessed what had actually happened so spoke up on my brothers' behalves. Before those incidents, I thought of myself as a feminist. Between what happened to my family and all the ugly hypocrisy I've seen coming from other girls, no frickin more.
Why "equal pay" in scenarios where men are taking on far more physical risks and doing the work we women don't want to do?
How are we equal when thanks to massive advances in careers and being the majority of students on university campuses women are now earning far more but often still expect men to pay for us?
What's up with courts that are driving men to suicide by stealing their kids from them, breaking homes and MAKING men deadbeat dads by imposing ludicrous alimony and child support fees men in their jobs never could pay? Did you know studies show that SINGLE parents spend MORE on their children than two-parent households?
And what the hell is the deal with women getting all the emotional support while guys even treat each other like rocks? I had a class on rape in which some guys shared they'd been raped--molested by women. They were treated like criminals. But one woman shared she'd been molested ONCE but had gotten all the support she needed and was OK today (she actually said that herself). The professor and all the other women in the class offered her support and even to talk about it! F*cking double standard.
I go off when I hear this crap b/c I HATE hypocrisy. Sexism is evil, but it's OK to subject men to such hellish discrimination (education, work, courts, mental health care, divorce, fatherhood, even parenting...) they're flocking to suicide more and more every year--but we're not doing or saying a damn thing about it.
Damn, you hit all the points, only one you missed was the red flag laws being used before robbing guys. Or that the suicide rate in states saying it is used to reduce suicides have actually increased. I believe yours is one of those, or maybe Vermont. Actually, I'm noticing with a lot of guys my age the urge to leave the country. Especially military or former military. The military isn't immune to that push either, and no one is signing up. Or rather they aren't re-signing their contracts, which is a worse bleed out of personnel.
@kim45456 1. I don't know, that's a bit like telling black people to just go to Africa if they don't like it in the West. 2. I don't think guys actually refer to it as "oppression", at least I don't usually hear that.
But it is good to admit when you don't understand something about others
@Bloodcap790 It can happen a lot of ways man, and there is no outlet. No one will believe you, and if they do they wander what you're bitching about, you got laid. Or if you got hard, how can it be against your will. One of my friends was molested by another man when he was about 13, then his aunt when he was about 14. For me I don't know how to classify it except being taken by a woman who was 19 when I was 14. I had no idea what was going on, didn't even know we had sex until it was over, she stroked, sucked, got on top, and that was it, my say was what are we doing? How would that compare if it was a 19 year old guy doing that to a 14 year old girl who's a virgin?
@kim45456 And go where? The situation is pretty much the same everywhere in the "developed world." This is considered a global sign of progress. It's a state-sanctioned form of discrimination.
@razelove I'm sure you've read the publications by people like Richard Whitmire and Michael Gurian sharing the hard statistics about how young boys are purposely being disadvantaged in our education system (US). The vast majority of drugged up kids (ADHD...) are boys. Nearly all the drop outs? Boys. The great majority of D's and F's in schools? Boys. The great majority and growing of college students in the US? Girls. And how many modern feminists think the only hope for men is to submit to extreme-feminist ideology. These are people's children and they're allowing it to happen to them. And guys themselves are so busy chasing the P they're not lifting a finger to do anything about it...
@Bloodcap790 Ditto what razelove said. So if a guy forces sex on a woman who says "no" over and over again, it's rape. When the same thing happens to a man, he wanted it. Or he was lucky. And guys face a massive up-hill battle if they try to come forward. The authorities either don't believe them or just don't care. The courts won't act. And the rest of society scoffs at them.
It is like everywhere? Wtf are you talking about? You are saying men have it harder in third world countries? I hope this a joke. You should be HAPPY to not be the 2 second of a man, to no be murdered for not being a virgin anymore even though you are rsped, to not be able to marry someone you want, to not be able wear thing you want, to not be raped in a prison by a police for not wearing a hijab, to not be considered as fucking human being. I am not saying men have it easier in western world. But their problems are joke if you compare it to womans in third world countries.
"Ditto what razelove said. So if a guy forces sex on a woman who says "no" over and over again, it's rape. When the same thing happens to a man, he wanted it. Or he was lucky. And guys face a massive up-hill battle if they try to come forward. The authorities either don't believe them or just don't care. The courts won't act. And the rest of society scoffs at them." I dont us but i enough men reported female rapists sucessfully. It is hard to believe that the authorities there dont belive them, if they do that they would lose their job. You are exagerating. Does this happen to you? Of course, they dont believe you, if you dont have evidents. I know a girl who was beaten up by her boyfriend one time- it happened her first time and the police can't do anything because she could not prove that it was her bf- you should film it or have some another evidents that show the toxic behaviour of the person.
" I'm sure you've read the publications by people like Richard Whitmire and Michael Gurian sharing the hard statistics about how young boys are purposely being disadvantaged in our education system (US). The vast majority of drugged up kids (ADHD...) are boys. Nearly all the drop outs? Boys. The great majority of D's and F's in schools? Boys. The great majority and growing of college students in the US? Girls. And how many modern feminists think the only hope for men is to submit to extreme-feminist ideology. These are people's children and they're allowing it to happen to them. And guys themselves are so busy chasing the P they're not lifting a finger to do anything about it..." In which way are they disadvantaged? The school system was always like that, even before 100 years ago. Do you mean discrimination against boys by teachers?
@kkaykkylly i agree with what you say about women in the third problem
But that's changing like I said on another topic women in the west complain more even though they experience less problems compared to women in the third world
But funny thing you think women are not treated as human beings well that is how exactly how humans treated each other for centuries
Soldier going to war never come back with full victory because of injuries and PTSD. Women have better coping mechanisms but men don't be it in the third world or first world
Look i rather go to war than treated like shit. In many western countries women go to millitary. Yes, I agree men are discriminated here in western world.
This morning I read on the newspaper about a female rapist. So female rapists are not something unusual. I completely believe that men are treated like shit in US but please you can't compare that to women in third countries. Of course wars are depressimg. In my opinion both men an women should go to war.
"Men are raped in prison cells you know" - Yes, I know but i dont know if thst happen in germanic countries. The prisons are joke. It is like a hotel
"Now men who raped women are punished in the most severe way possible , at least in Muslim countries"- hmm depends. For a girl virginity is very important, if she lost it due to rape she can be murdered too
"you get your balls eaten by dogs ( there's actually a video about it )" - wow really?
@kkaykkylly I agree with you my problem however is how western women like to think of themselves as the most oppressed and most tragic beings
They have absolutely no idea how things are in Muslim and Asian countries
I actually did see a guy get his balls eaten by a dog , it's a video I received from a friend I couldn't tell why they did this to him but it was implied that it was due to rape
Please understand I'm aware how women are treated in third world countries
That is the exact reason why I hate it when western women who think they are in the worst country
The irony in life is that Muslim countries are the worst place for women
Yet one Muslim country is considered to be the safest place for women that is Oman
No. The fact that places like this exist is because there aren't places in society in which groups of people can feel comfortable or safe. They WANT to, but there isn't. I don't care as long as those places ensure those men are going to be safe and hopefully bond meaningfully. That's all I want.
Why did the boy scouts take girls? Why didn't the girl scouts take boys?
Why didn't they just make 1 uniform group call the scouts of America?
Why are unqualified women filling business ranks over qualified men? To meet quotas of women, blacks, gays etc which seem very racist and sexist to me.
A huge number of trad Thots invaded the mgtow sphere and a lot of them where purged from it save for the cucks that kept them around.
Let me ask you, should men be allowed to have 1 thing that is all their own that no one will talk badly about? Is there 1 place a man can just be among other men with no shaming from the other side?
Apparenlty not. Sports, business, military, politics, mgtow communityn scouts, anything you can think of.
My question is always why? Why do this to men what are you trying to prove? That women can sure, that women are equal? No. Not at all, we're different.
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A big problem seems to be that lots of men don't even see the need for a male only space. They don't think talking and exchanging ideas with men can have any benefits and would rather have women around all the time. Those men who see that the lack of male spaces is a problem are apparently in the minority
The problem is men achieve, so men make their spaces awesome and then womens don't compare and so women then try to force themselves into the male spaces. Ex. See boyscouts vs girlscouts.
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That's interesting. Yeah that has happened before and i can see it happen in the future if men start having their own spaces
I think they should exist. The most ridiculous thing I find about the push for the LBGTQ+ community is on a college campus now there is no men's room, there is unisex and female... if it were true equality and a push there would be two unisex bathrooms. By default there is already a female space protected by law, rules and regulations. Men are being pushed to the side and treated unfairly in the name of equality, If it is to be equality it should be equal for all.
@AiahZ 100% agree with what you feel with men having thier own space at your College. 3 women only spaces? WTF why 3 convert one!
This needs to stop. Fucked up mentality only women have things to worry about i. e. rape this is not just a female issue. Domestic violence. Depression. Anorexia yes anorexia Due to stupid small mindedness and constant judging and to top it off men not having thier own space we are losing a lot of our men to suicide. As they see it as the only way out. Then one sits and wonder where all the decent men have gone 🤨 they're dead. The statistics for male suicide is through the roof because any man going through these things are seen in society as weak they see themselves as weak -how the fuck can they get help? What chance do they have? Females have more then enough resources. We don't need any more female fucking spaces. The only space I see men have is at my gym they have male only sauna days and the same for women. All I could think was.
Slight irony in that many gyms have women only days. One guy complained saying he shouldn't have to pay the full fee if there are four days a week he isn't allowed to go. He was only asking for a discount but he was torn apart by the media and moronic sjw people on twitter I assume.
@Trolloween If I belonged to ANY kind of club like that, I'd resign and submit a public statement about why. That's open discrimination and more evidence that our culture has become unjustly bigoted towards men.
Yep there are many ways women have many priveleged men don't and will never have. We still have a retirement age for women 5 years younger than men for one thing which is something I have never understood. Never heard a feminist mention that either
@Trolloween Excellent point. I also don't hear feminists mentioning the astronomical sexual aggression and BRUTAL male rape problem in prisons. Or the greater numbers of men dying by suicide. Or the fact that the significant majority of college students are now females--and the trend is increasing. Or the fact that over 80% of high school drop outs are boys. Or the fact that 90% of kids on ADHD and other behavioral drugs are boys. Or the fact that the great majority of D's and F's in schools go to boys. These people would have most men drop dead without batting an eyelash.
Human hypocrisy, man. That's what turned me against feminism.
There was a time we needed feminism like historically women couldn't vote couldn't fucking work we had to stay at home and look after the kids it was laughable if a woman said she wanted to go to work. And then we couldn't do certain jobs like fly a plane we had to fight for that and we're not completely there however we have come far enough I think to broaden our minds and think beyond feminism and outside the box. I am far from a feminist I have to admit its not in my blood for me its served its purpose let's now move on and look at the bigger picture coz men do exist they are apart of out community and by the looks of it are carrying some very disturbing statistics things like 80% off boys dropping out WTF you see if this is the case we have bigger immediate problems. However it happens coz I don't think a lot of men are borthed. That's why there isn't a men only gym day the assumption is men like to show off so they want women there might not be true but it's the assumption and if men don't come forward and say they want a men only day or if there isn't enough of them. It won't happen it's the same with space. If there isn't a perceved strong enough need for something especially from the gender that's affected then how can anyone think about changing things let alone actually go ahead with it. Every man for himself. Another assumption as it's not the case for all but a lot however with no conflicting action these assumptions become reality and people can no longer tell the difference
I don't think it's that men aren't bothered, it's that there is a huge social stigma against saying anything positive about men. Everyone protects women from everything, women really should feel safer than any man walking around alone at night because you can be sure that if anyone saw a woman being attacked they would help. If a man is attacked by a woman people laugh, if it's by another man then they just let it happen. If a man comes forward about domestic abuse they are laughed at, if a man defends themselves against a woman they are arrested. It's very difficult for many men to care enough about a woman's only day at a gym to risk losing everything from the personal attacks they will get online and in real life. The guy who didn't want to pay the full membership was sent death threats for example. The sad truth is most men feel like they are alone and have to deal with everything alone. The sadder truth is that in nearly all cases they are perfectly correct. I feel very bad for any father who gets a divorce, loses everything he ever worked for, his future earnings and doesn't get custody. Then we wonder why the number one cause of death for all men under 50 is suicide... But sure feminists let me hear how being called bossy is ruining the world and give me more totally fictional pay gap stats.
Unfortunately women aren't protected from everything I got into it once with another guy and no one came to my rescue I had to deal with him or he would of dealt with me however I do get what your saying and it sickens me that this is the case. It doesn't make sense for there to be a stigma around positivity towards men. Your right about a man coming out with being abused by a woman being laughed at and it's from both men and women who are in my view ill educated. We all know right from wrong yet we accept certain circumstances because the facts don't fit our ideal and so therefore our thinking isn't broad enough to see beyond our noses. Its a vicious cycle coz even the men who laugh and brag about it never happening to them are possibly going through something they are ashamed off secretly. I am really surprised about the gym guy threats? just for asking for a discount. People really are stupid men could quite rightly save money by getting behind him and saying yes it's not fair and pushing for a discount or men's day and instead they are trolling... I really worry about society's mentality we will soon be in 2020 and this is the progress we've made we still even today see this behavior as acceptable. And are happy to lose lives to keep up this stigma. Is it really worth it...
There are small groups of hardcore feminists who are very vocal which distorts the media bias. I really don't think there are that many people so deluded, but it really does make the news. When asked I think only 7% of people in my country (the UK) said they would called themselves a feminist. But then when people try and have a talk about men's suicide and other male issues, feminists call in bomb threats to have the talks shut down or generally try and disrupt and protest them.
@LEETSBEREAL I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I've been saying on campus for years now that one of the biggest problems I see with guys is that they don't CARE what happens to each other. Even here on GAG you can read these comments from guys towards other guys and it's like, just as you said, every man for himself. I got mine, I don't give a f*#k about you. Or the way lots of guys talk to each other. You've probably heard of Jordan Peterson, right? He had this discussion with Camille Paglia (sp?) about the way men and women communicate. And they both recognizes something gender-based in the aggression a lot of guys show towards each other. I'm not bashing guys at all, but if they won't watch each other's backs, then of course society's going to rip them apart, especially with us being so pro-girls and contra-boys.
That's what I meant when I said guys aren't borthered They don't stand up for their own or each other the way some women do. Not all But at the same time some guys play like they don't care but in fact need help themselves. How to get over this so we can start to solve the problem is the real question here. Will it be possible when we can't even talk about it. Feminist groups shutting important talks like this down that's disgusting could be your son your brother your dad. We've had the limelight for far to long let's hand the torch over now give another group a chance to make some neccessary changes.
@ LEETSBEREAL EXACTLY!!! That's just how I feel. I don't have kids, but I have four brothers and a dad I'd jump in front of a train for. I love 'em to death and I HATE the way my culture portrays them--as dumb, uncontrolled, mindless idiots and sexual predators. These are the most important people in my life. How the hell could I sit back and tolerate this sh*t? Worse yet, many of the women spouting this crap are MOTHERS of sons. What the hell kind of person brings a kid into existence and at the same time contributes to a culture that demonizes that child, unjustly imprisoning him based on accusations and stereotypes or unfair expectations?
And just like you said, I don't see many guys taking a stand against this. Or if they do, they're part of that MGTOW movement. But people don't take that seriously. They'd take average guys a lot more seriously if THEY were the ones speaking out.
I'd like to continue this chat in private... It seems to me that this moral hypocrisy is a dangerous but nearly universal human attribute. I've noticed it in ALL of my school's rights groups. People who've struggled to get rights based on the claim that we should all be treated equally, when they get those rights or AS they're getting them, they seem to have no problem denying others the very rights they've fought for. It doesn't matter who the group is--and we women are no different. It's revolting. So X is the worse thing in the world, except when it's happening to people you don't like. Or when you're doing it.
@AiahZ I'm with you. As far as I am concerned any woman having kids that thinks this negative way about men should not be able to bear the gift of children it's no wonder so many of them are in the ground or prison if your own mum sees you as part of the problem. Its fucking not on. I hear you I am super close to my brother soooooo happy I didn't end up with a sister I'm thankful daily for that I'm stronger for it. Even when women get pregnant the men don't get a say even if they are happy to take on the child and you can get them to sign paperwork to that effect so they don't change thier mind when the baby is born nope no legal rights there either. It really pisses me off. Nah I can't tolerate it either that shit pisses me the fuck off I don't know how anyone can it's a silly mentality. If men stood for this there would be a higher chance of success however perhaps the price is just to high the thing is there shouldn't be any repercussions but there are serious ones. Society should not have the power to scare this group into submission it just shouldn't be happening. I replied here so I can see what I am replying to. Your College situation is so hypocritical.
You're right mgtow isn't taken seriously, no men's rights groups are. Men in general just aren't seen as valuable as women and throughout history this has been the case, so I don't think it's that men don't care its more that our entire society has been running on principals for so long that it just takes time to change. It's the psychology of if something is a certain way people think in a way to justify it because why else would it be like that? So that's why we still have women and children first, why we have hundreds of women's shelters and either none or one two mens shelters in entire countries. Why nearly every homeless person is male, the majority of suicide victims, why male traits are seen as evil to the extent that 90% of the children on behaviour changing drugs are boys. It's disgusting. Whereas women have many priveleged, they have the entire say on reproduction (even if a man proves the kids aren't his he still legally has to pay for them), why women get custody and alimony, why no-one minds when it's women who are graduating university and school at much higher rates than men, why women retire earlier, why women are paid more than men for the same work upto the ages of 30 when ma y women choose to have a family instead of a career (yet men who stay working to support their family are now demonised as part of some pay gap conspiracy). Women don't even get the same prison sentences for the exact same crimes, or even face any consequences when they make false accusations about rape or otherwise. The legal system and society is stacked so heavily against men, society is preaching so hard against boys from a young age that many feel powerless and the ones that don't are ignored, hated or simply imprisoned.
by the way history of feminism is quite interesting, we often hear that women couldn't vote etc. But in history almost no one could vote because it was reserved for land owners and the rich which was around 10% of the population. But then as time went on yes women couldn't vote and when men decided they should it was actually women protesting that they didn't want to, because if you voted you could also be drafted into military service. So eventually an exception was made that meant women could vote but did not have to serve. Somehow this huge social injustice is ignored by everyone, it's a glaring example of privelege and really sets in stone how women are seen as more important than the disposable men who have given their lives to defend them for thousands of years. It has been this way since humans existed so expecting it to change because a few men kill themselves after their kids are unjustly taken from them is too optimistic.
@LEETSBEREAL I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote. You're right. Men have NO SAY in reproduction once they've donated have the embryo's chromosomes. A woman, however, gets to terminate a pregnancy whether the man wants the child or not. And if he doesn't want the child, she gets to bring it to term AND demand he pay support for nearly 20 years. And even if a woman tricks a man (destroying condoms, lying about fertility or birth control...), she still gets to make all the subsequent decisions. We treat men like machines--"thanks for your sperm. Here's the bill based on my decision."
Do you think more men don't speak up b/c they think if they do society will cast them as even worse monsters? Or are they afraid of losing out due to some dating pool backlash? Why the hell are men standing by while this happens to them?
I think yes there is a fear of backlash from many since even the mention of men's rights is called misogynistic and/or laughed at. Men are also to blame because we seem to inherently be stoic and not want to complain about things, if we are in pain we hide it to not appear weak. This isn't always a bad thing, in my opinion you look like more of a pussy by going along with things and never standing up for yourself. But also I think it's fair to point out a lot of men make very bad decision with partners, it does seem the case that a guy who has the crazy ex who did all the nasty things women can do when they want to exploit their position as a woman tend to have a string of similar ex's. The same can be said for women who end up with the asshole men who abuse their girlfriend, they always seem to seek these people out again. But for both sides we hear about it far more often than it really happens in reality. So me personally, I am not worried about having a gf/wife who will have a baby without my consent if an accident happened and then screw me in a divorce. I don't really plan on marriage but I would have a prenup if I did just in case though. I am sure every man who got screwed over thought the same..
The most important point out of all of this is that many men don't just stand by and let things happen, it's that they literally have no options. Imagine you are a man who got stabbed by his girlfriend so grabbed her wrists to stop being stabbed again, then being arrested for it. He can lose his home, lose custody of his kids, lose his job and reputation. So then this guy is sleeping rough on the streets with nowhere to go, it can happen that quickly and had to thousands of men and many commit suicide as a result because there is simply no help for men. Men always feel alone and like no one will help us no matter what happens. I know there are negatives to being a woman but I am very tired of being called priveleged for being a man, I would love these women to wear makeup and live as a man for a month or two and find out what it's like
@Trolloween OK, I could talk about this all day. But in my experience, guys DO have choices. For example, they could speak up when they see another guy being exploited. They could let their legislators know why current court policy is unfair. They could choose to prioritize LOYALTY (their male friends who've been there for them for MANY years) over sexual gratification (getting a chick TONIGHT). They could NOT pay money to promote entertainment that's unjustly gender biased.
A few months ago there was this big outcry against this online game where some women were being raped. But no one has ever said anything about the MAAAAAAAANY online games or app store games where EVERY SINGLE CRIMINAL is a male or EVERY TARGET TO BE KILLED is a male. Men buy that sh*t up, making the app/game creators rich, instead of pointing out the obvious subtext (men are villains, lowlifes, things to be brutally killed--and this is OK).
And men are quiet online even during horrific instances of misandry.
There is one massive problem you are overlooking. If women complain, for example there was outcry when the star trek movie came out because an actress was shown in her underwear which is apparently 'objectifying'. The director made a public apology. Now there are a thousand examples of men being needlessly topless and maybe there are just as many men who find this offensive for some reason. The massive difference is that people actually care about the women's complaints and it gets lots of media attention but no one hears about men. A better example is Sharon Osborne laughing and joking about a woman cut a man's dick off and through it in a garbage disposal, lots of men really have had issue and complained about this but it's all rengated to YouTube videos form the likes of mgtow, never have I seen it in the media. But just imagine if any man joked about a woman being mutilated by an aggressive husband. Imagine if a man joked about even hitting a woman in TV, you can bet your life there'd be outcry and that man's life would be over. Which raises another good point, how much can a man complain before he crossed the line into being seen as a misogynist and his whole life gets destroyed by twitter and the media? Apparently its about as far as saying men's suicide is an issue we need to talk about, because even that caused women to protest and call in bomb threats to have talks closed down.
@AziahZ I could not of put it better myself that is the long and short of it. I think it's a mixture of things I think not all men think about it some of them are quite happily going about thier lives they've already accepted this as the norm. For those on a deeper level who this is painful for the most and actually need things to change its repercussions. And sometimes the price is just to high for men to pay if they make any moves. It feels like a losing battle. The ones who could but don't stand for others are perhaps worried about how it makes them look and how people will judge them or what they might face as a back lash.
@Trolloween with feminism there wasn't all this stigma and obstacles so I'm thinking maybe the approach isn't right? mgtow is taking the same stand feminist took with the screw men focus it's now the screw women focus now if it was working I wouldn't care but its not. And so it feels like nothing will change. It won't if new inventive ways aren't constantly trialed to educate people that this problem affects everyone in one way or another even on here people are like how does it affect me it doesn't affect me. That's coz they don't think about what that guy takes away from society when he dies or ends up in prison. Coz people have talents that can benefit society benefit individuals but we don't see them. All we see is the problem and we can't see past that as if we can predict how our life will be from one day to the next we all think we don't need any body so what if the death toll is high in the male society a conversation/action with/from this guy if he was alive could change yours. There are so many stories where these men that no longer exist could of altered a lot of people's life male or female but because we think we know it all even though experience teaches us different we still don't learn and think the actions around us won't affect us. living in a bubble and it needs to be broken. We all want help when we need it but are happy to withhold it if we in anyway think it will make us look anything less then how we want to be viewed.
@Trolloween just saw what you posted last night and this is a massive problem. The thing is men are perceived as the instigator for sex so this in a way gives permission to women to sexualize men in both directions and because men are perceived as unemotional and sex driven women can get away with it. Just like no one will believe a man has been raped by a woman can't happen unless a man gets hard right? So if you arouse him it means he wants it and so in a lot of people's mind even women the act can't happen without him. So the lines are very blurred there there isn't any clarity and because there is no clarity. Because there is no foundation and there is no clarity this shit creeps in. Dark female humor with pent up anger against men starts to infect media and with no foundation and no clarity any argument about male objectification will not hold any weight. When you pass a law it's clear and consise this action is this and if you violate you serve this amount of time. Why do people care about women's complaints because of the emotional impact it has on women. Men's instinct is to protect but what do we do when it's the other way around? We are the ones who are supposed to be protected the tables are turning and it's an uncomfortable shift. Things are not how they used to be and this needs to be reflected in modern society we are living the laws of a previous age. There is a lot of work that needs to be done and it won't happen over night far from it long way to go before anything a foundation needs to be put in place with clarity until that happens its going to be very hard getting people to understand when you say what that woman did was offensive. Even though it was bang out of order. Sharon should of been forced to apologize to be fair.
Google Contenance Club Munich, it used to be a club exclsively for very rich men with an annual fee of 50 000€. It got shut down a while ago, but I always asked myself why the media was so angry about it. Nobody says anything when there are female spaces. One controversial thing is that women were only allowed to enter when they were above 175cm and below 53kg, which is ridiculous.
Men should have their own space. i respect and honor their right to do whatever it is they do off by themselves. Honestly I wouldn't want to invade a bunch of men doing their manly things. I hope, dear male anon, that you also know that the reverse is true with us.
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What do you mean "the reverse"? Men are usually reprimanded for invading female spaces. How can we do that?
Im just saying that men should have their own space to do what men do together without female interference. We should also be afforded the same courtesy.
Id just say im a guy and go in. Walk in and sit down with the widest manspread possible. And in a deep voice be like "wat up mah fellow big dick niggas?"
Eh depends. I remember waiting around a monastery while my dad visited because only men were allowed. It’s an old tradition and is totally fine. Other times men want their “man time” and that’s totally fine too.
I only get angry when it's something with cultural and historical significance. (For example, women aren't allowed in Hilandar - historically very significant monastery in Greece) It's not fair, culture, religion, history, should be available to everyone
The reason this became a case of discrimination is because many exclusive men's clubs were used to conduct high-level business deals while deliberately excluding women and minorities. The courts ruled that the right to associate with who you like does not include the right to prevent others from doing business.
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I don't see how letting women and minorities inside a club can benefit them professionally. People make deals with whoever they want. But i can see the woke people making this excuse
They’ve cried over shit like that for decades… Build a man cave and watch your wife aimlessly knock on the door for attention. Then turn around and demand women have women only spaces because men will rape them or some bullshit.
Some are always gonna have problems with it even if they try to appear otherwise.
And they did have problems with it with club's that had it even if those clubs was closed for most males anyway.
Learn that hypocrisy have been around for very long and are a mental disease that are hard to get rid of in society. usually get replaced with different one.
If they existed then that would be great. If women can have "Safe Spaces" then so should men. Feminists: "That's sex discrimination. But it's not if men are not allowed". Equality my ass.
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Will people stop with the pussy hurt already? Gee whiz, men's restrooms are for men and women's are for women. Gender discrimination is some made up bullshit by crybaby panty wastes who have nothing better to do with their life than waste everybody's good sense on their stupid sensitivities.
The world is full of Men's only spaces. We all know where we're not welcome, and we usually don't go because it's not worth the bullshit. What's interesting is the men in the comments all talking about "women only" spaces, but not one of them mention if they would go to a men's only establishment or why. 🤔🤔🤔
I don't think there's any male dominated space where you wouldn't be welcome on the basis of your gender. It seems to make more sense that you just don't like men; you look at what you think is going in these spaces -- men interacting with other men in ways meant for each other and not you -- and you find it unpalatable. That's all. You're mistaking not being catered to for being unwelcome.
No, hon. I don't need to be catered to, to feel welcome. I'm old enough to know the difference, and smart enough to know not to go where I'm not welcome. Also, I love men. Adore them. Would roll around in them like Scrooge McDuck in his money vault. But that doesn't mean I would put my safety aside to prove you wrong. Am I accusing men of grave heinous crimes? Not all of them, but 1 bad egg will spoil things for the rest. Best not to mess with it.
There’s been rare moments in my life where I wanted to be in a male only space, but for the most part I’ve never liked the idea, I don’t want to hang with a bunch of random dudes. I want to be around females, I think that’s a fairly common thread among guys. Guys like girls.
So what space would I be welcome in that you would not simply based on gender?
I don't really care. Sure, you can say it's discrimination but you can say women's only spaces are discrimination too. At the end of the day, it isn't a big deal to me so I don't think I'd get upset by it.
I'd like to see parking areas for men only. It's safer, and would also compensate for the number of women parking lots? An eye for an eye; a lot for a lot :D Not that I would use these... but for the principle :D
Its needed and its a concept that stood the test of time. Men need to be able to just be men, women need to be able to just be women. And mixing men and women on for example public toilets can go bad.
I think that was fair. I understand that it's annoying to be told you can't do something but the principles are more important than our feelings. And what happened to you is not common since women are free to use men's room
Nothing unusual about it in the UK/Aus we have Working Men's Clubs and Men in Shed's especially for men to have a place to be men without having to moderate their language.
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lol apparently everyone on this site is in favor of them, yet in the real world, in most places when a "men only" thing is even being discussed, it goes under attack by SJW.
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And most of the men support the idea but they personally would rather be surrounded by women 24/7
When I was young there was some bar reserve only for men. Feminist complaint that it's a public place and should be open to all. They all disappear. Now you have those women only gym, men are not allowed... strange and/or sad.
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Why do genders need a space? Individuals need a space to relax. But bathrooms ain’t it. Go to Europe. All genders stand in line in the same bathroom waiting for a stall.
Yes I would be offended but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, but I'm just saying that the rooms women have are mostly rooms where you're able to breastfeed or something like that, which is biological reason and I haven't seen a reason for women not to enter that place you're talking about xx
It's always nice to have eye candy but having said that it just depends on what male space it is and instead of them invading our space why can't they come up with their own s***
I'm fine with it if they want it. However, this just gives some of them one less thing to cry over when listing all the so called wrongs feminists have done
I'm just thinking. Why? What are they trying to hide? I mean it's not like men face danger of rape all the time like woman. I know some woman can rape men but usually they don't.
Men can always create their own male only spaces. All you have to do is act like you're looking for sex and you've successfully repelled every woman in a 50 meter radius
Then you have areas that are for men only too, correct? Many of my clients were from the middle east and I remember in their homes a women's sitting room and a men's living room for smoking, drinking tea, watching soccer, so on and so forth.
Yeah but women have more such rooms because muslim women have to cover themself. So we only have beaches for women but no for men. So a man can wear comfortable clothes around women but women can't. I think but should have such rooms
@crazy8000 Well I personally think it’s because most things that women want as female-only are stuff that doesn’t concern men enough to go out of there way to create their own alternative. Like female only gyms. I have yet to see a group of men stand up and say “I want a gym to be male only for ourselves”. Or even like female only bars. I don’t think men care enough to crest a male only bar, partially because many of them go to bars to see women anyway 😂 and there are plenty of bars that are open for all genders.
It works the same way when it comes to gay bars. Gay people created that space because they wanted that space. Straight people haven’t felt the need to do the same so there ruins the such thing as one and it’s not something that oppresses them.
Don’t “gentlemen” clubs exist where the only members are men? There aren’t many female catered alternatives because I don’t think women care to have one.
Was aiming at some gym's for starter that is preferred from other side to have since little to many female's in yunger ages disturbs males with attention nonsense. The funny thing is that no one says anything because they are afraid of geting attacked stupefied and seen as jealous sexsistic pigs.
Personal did I terminate my membership primarily because of that since I want to be left alone to do my shit and can't go there at those times when there aren't usually that kind of female's.
Gentlemen clubs are for privileged guys that are loaded within certain circles. they usually miss certain needs. There they exists. they aren't directly visible for the public. you must know they exists. many times be invited to even get in.
Fully understand that they have own bars and night clubs, especially if you know their history and why they began to have them. Many times better atmosphere even for straight people if you don't mind what isn't straight.
@crazy8000 Honestly, I don’t have much sympathy when it comes to people (not just men) being too scared of backlash. That’s life. If you want shit done you’ve gotta bite the bullet. Nothing good comes easy. You May not like being called a sexists pig but at the end of the day, when you push for what you want, none of the shit talking will matter. Social and political movements are never met with immediate praise.
by the way, the thing you said about the gentleman clubs and gay bars proves my point. It doesn’t matter if it is for privileged men. It’s for men. That’s the point. And straight people don’t feel the need to create their own space but gays do... and I’m fully aware of why that is.
@Ellie-V I get your point. But honestly, you're able to do what you do now because at some point in history, men had and still have compassion and empathy for what women face. By not having compasion and empathy for issues men and boys face, you're just being another obstical in the way of solving those issues.
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