All you people that don’t even live in America, need to stfu. What happens in this country doesn’t concern you. Trying to speak on the president, when you don’t even live here. You are from the outside looking in. Mind your business and don’t speak on what happens in America if you don’t live here to fully know.
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He won’t be impeached, just watch. The senate won’t let it go through. I can’t wait to see the look on you liberals faces when the impeachment fails, and he wins 2020 😘.
How do you guys feel about Trump's tweet about Impeachment?
I feel it's questionable and politically charged and I also feel... it will backfire. Johnson was impeached... largely for being too generous to the south. He was democrat/unify and impeached by republicans... but never removed from office as senate did not approve.
Clinton... won't get into that. but not removed from Office. Trump won't be removed from office.
I think they just wanted to stain his Presidency and of course have hope of replacing in 2021. See video of Biden doing the same thing that Trump did. The left is filled with hate like a pit viper on a hot day and has been since they were crushed by the false expectations from their own false or poorly done polling. Fair enough... because the Republicans did the same to Obama... it's "tit for tat"... and we are all paying for it with our labor.
That's quite a plea and phrasing from Trump... the President... wow! Helps solidify his base of course, but they aren't going anywhere.
What I really feel is they.. the house... should stop doing this and start doing their job to fix the finances of the country before you and I are paying $20 for a burger and fries. What are they not getting done because they are focused on this? But maybe they think it isn't possible with The donald in office. I really think they should have done something softer... like a reprimand... not permanent, but build ammo to replace. I think impeachment backfires because their candidates to date are weak.
The tweet is unfortunately reality. Keep in mind that these Democrats will be the same that might persecute and prosecute an innocent civilian such as you/anyone with that mentality and placement of biased judges. The Democrats have pursued this impeachment by unsubstantiated minutia and as the real facts come out over time, the fraud that they constructed will demonstrate abuse of power on the part of the House. The Democrats know and have always known that the Senate will never convict but they impeached based on attempting to improve their polling because they don’t have a candidate and they don’t have any nationally constructive popular policies. What has the Democratic House done in this term other than this farce? The Democrats are elected by hate of the other party always and not for what they produce in terms of improving people’s lives. When times are good, the Democratic party of hate doesn’t bode well. However, it appears now that this impeachment is affecting the Democrats very negatively and that this farce may cost them big in the next election. This impeachment may turn out to be the best thing the Democrats have done for the Republicans. This is what the Democrats mean when they claim, “we are going to reach across the aisle.”
I don't care one way or another. I listened to a broadcast of ex-President Obama saying that most Americans don't want major change in our country and that he would use his influence to frustrate the likes of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren from ever having a serious chance at becoming president. That was all the confirmation I needed that it doesn't matter which party is in office, politicians don't give a flying f*ck about the plebes. Research has shown the US works as an oligarchy today, no longer a government by or for the people, if we ever were that.
The next president, it'll just go back to business as usual. And if you don't have the right digits in your bank account, then giant-F*&k-you.
I live here and Trump is a lying, cheating, scoundrel! He has been sued by more people he has screwed, including contractors who he refused to pay after they had finished their work on one of his resorts. I mean don't you read the news? If he was honest and kept his main campaign promise to make America Great Again it would different. Instead he has made the US a laughing stock! He has spent more ( $30 million ) on paid vacations than any other president. The only good thing he has done is try and build a wall. That is really needed here in California. If he was so great why is Congress trying to remove him from office?
The Trump haters seem to be the people that LIVE ON TWITTER. Just look under any of his tweets and you'll see nothing but hate hate hate.
From what I'm seeing though irl, people love the guy... especially if they pay taxes and are no longer in school being supported by their parents or a giant student loan... or they're basically rich and don't live amongst immigrants and they're spoon fed what they think they know from fake news.
This impeach bullshit is just a play by the dems to thwart the coming election... which he's going to win, impeached or not.
Your semi correct so yes, I agree with you. Although my state is very blue... I'm not in the city that makes it so, where blue voters seem to hang.
But come on... am I wrong about anything, anything at all. Trumps going to sweep this election and GOP is obviously going to dominate the house and the senate. I'm left of center on political tests... and I think the reason this is going to happen is out of fear, like we feared Hillary in 2016. The far left is just not moderate enough, Dems need to clean house before I'd vote that way again. I supported Bubba Bill whole heartedly both terms... but the shit coming out of Hillary's mouth (racist, sexist, homophobic, you name it) left me politically homeless. At least the reds will have a conversation while the far left just screams, cries, and promises free shit whilst ready to attack you as racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, you name it.
Could be he'll win. However, if he does, it'll probably be because our election system is rigged to favor less populous (and thus more rural and more conservative) states. (Plus like, state internal gerrymandering and the like). Just like last election, where he lost the popular vote, but won the election anyways.
As for the right having a conversation, I don't see other republican candidates being seriously considered. I don't see republican senators being actually open to considering the evidence on impeachment before making up their minds. In general, it seems to me republicans are the ones who aren't open to actually considering the facts before making a decision.
"Avoiding SJW hysteria"- is that what y'all are calling willfully staying in your echo chambers now? Again, it's absurd to accuse other people of not being willing to actually reconsider their positions when you, and the party you support, explicitly say you're unwilling to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you.
By the way, can you maybe explain to me what the impeachment inquiry is about (or, what the democrats say its about)? I'm curious to know how much you know about it that you believe you know enough to have made up your mind.
Yeah... attack the person, not the argument. Typical.
So you want to test me on what I know though. He asked if a certain candidate's kid was doing some bullshit. It happens that some money going to that countries way (aid) didn't drop until later than scheduled.
I AM attacking your argument. I'm attacking the statement you made, that conservatives making up their minds before hearing the facts is justified.
No, he didn't ask about what Hunter Biden was doing. He asked the Ukraine to investigate that, and to investigate Joe Biden in connection with a debunked conspiracy theory. Then, he withheld almost 400 million dollars of military aid with the intent of keeping it until the Ukraine complied. Do you dispute either of those facts? And if not, do you think it's legal and/or acceptable for a sitting President to ask a foreign country to help with his reelection (which, let's not be stupid, is obviously what this is about)?
Yeah, "orange man bad". But I think "orange man bad" because I LOOKED INTO the facts, as evidenced by the fact that I can actually recount them, and explain what they mean, apparently unlike you (unsurprising, given that you've already admitted to ignoring any information coming from people you disagree with).
Also, "getting results"? What results exactly? Getting caught doing blatantly illegal shit, and subsequently impeached? Well, I guess that is a hell of a result, sure.
Words put in my mouth... I never said the conservatives made up their minds on anything. ... and you basically repeated me in long form to show me how uninformed I am (like anyone at this point knew you were going to do), and yeah... great work.
Keep going... you look really smart (dumb) by doing this. And you wonder why we're all gonna vote Trump? Because of you and people like you. You have made Trump happen.
No, the conservatives themselves said that. What you said was that you justified that close mindedness by saying that they, like you, were probably "avoiding the SJW hysteria." Something which I would translate as ignoring information from people who disagree with you.
Lol, no honey. You said something that A. sounded like Trump was asking an innocent question, not requesting election interference from a foreign country, and B. left out the part where Trump actively tried to pressure that country into interfering by preventing them from recieving aid that had already been approved by Congress and Trump himself. And once again, do you think that it is legal and acceptable for a sitting president to take such actions?
Yes, I look so stupid over here with my actual facts. Wowee, so stupid. And you, you sure do look smart accusing me of ad hominems that didn't happen, and presenting issues as though you're even more ignorant about them than (I hope against hope) you actually are
Actual facts... you just said what I said which is nothing I said. Except the paraphrase which you translate your way.
Look... I'm obviously far right to you, literally Hitler, and it's pointless to try and even reason with you about why Trump is going to win... you're just pissed at me that I think it's a good thing.
Ain't a paraphrase, you said some much different things. Also, interestingly, you haven't answered my question about whether you think what trump did was legal or acceptable? Care to do that perhaps?
And legal? Or do you think Presidents should be allowed to break the law?
Also hilarious that you got so uppity about me "attacking the person, not the argument" (when I was in fact attacking the argument) and yet now you go all in on the ad hominem attacks without even pretending that they're relevant to the validity of my arguments. Yes, you're looking very smart indeed..
Surprisingly, given how much you clearly pay attention to the actual details of the impeachment, you're wrong. Like, the chair of the Federal Election Commission (someone who I think we can both agree has rather more expertise on this matter than either of us) has explicitly stated “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U. S. election.” And the "actual law" in question is this one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20 which states "No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation", where contributions and donations include money OR other things of value, and which the law specifically notes are prohibited in relation to elections.
Now, since you're so informed about politics, do you recall what was at issue in the Mueller report that's rather similar to the issue here? And why it was that Trump kept saying "no collusion" about it?
Also, you understand that even for kindergartners the "but they started it" excuse doesn't fly? Do you for some reason believe that it should apply to you?
Love the attempt to rededicate me... communist... no law was broken... just emotional points of view. And whatever bitch... if you're not going to let it be then fuck you. Eat shit and die. I Want you to take a good look at how unsuccessfully you've convinced me to vote otherwise. Your a cunt... and like a dumb cunt, only made me hate you and any side you're on. Congrats on winning Trump an insured vote.
At this point the impeachment doesn't even matter anymore. It is very clear that the democrats do not trust their own chances for next years election and try everything they can to play dirty. The problem with this is that they are losing more voters through this kind of behaviour than they make Trump lose voters.
What they should do is showing they are the "bigger man" and signal their willingness for proper policies and honest work. Naturally they aren't interested in it so all that's left for having a chance to win is playing dirty.
So let’s debate the quality of them. It’s like the parent that just says no without any discussion. We need to be talking about things and what direction the country needs to go in, not secret deals in back rooms.
@ImSparkly Which ideally should be the job of the press to bring up these bills and discuss them with all the pros and cons rather than being beyond biased. Unfortunately this is not the case and a normal worker doesn't have the time to read through all of it. But I doubt the Senate just refused this stuff on the pure basis of "Democrats bad, we didn't read". That's a ridiculous accusation.
Then why bother sending anyone to Washington? They were elected to represent our interests, they need to have spines, debate and vote on these issues that affect us.
@ImSparkly What the fuck are you talking about? Obviously it's the politicians duty to read and vote on that as a representative. And if they do not do that, they will ideally lose votes. What I was talking about is an average worker not having the time.
That’s why we vote for people to represent our interests. As you said, the average person doesn’t have time or knowledge to research these things. The press just needs to report facts. Mitch McConnell has said he’s the grim reaper of legislation, it’s up to him to bring any bill up or kill them all.
@ImSparkly Okay but they where trying to impeach trump BEFORE, let me repeat that, BEFORE he even set foot in the white house. I'm sorry but that is not conservatives trying to create "grid lock", democrats refuse to work with conservatives and so this idea that this is conservatives to blame is not accurate. Now sure, some times conservatives do fight back but that doesn't mean its not on pricinciple and quite frankly you will see more openness on conservatives end then democrats (that's how democrats have passed so many laws in the recent decades). The fact is thousands of bills are admitted to the house some being passed by democrats doesn't mean anything if they are only passing the bills that benefit them rather then working with the republicans on bills that are beneficial to the American people. The fact is conservatives have been complete push overs for decades, now they actually have a spine so the democrats are freaking out because they are fast losing their monopoly on the population (since they own the school systems, own the media, and by extension controlled the culture, and have owned for the most part, the government (though its been the most heated battle ground for them.).
Has to get passed by the Senate. Hopefully it doesn't since this is just crazy. If they get away with falsified stories and evidence to impeach a guy it is not only undermining his presidency and stonewalling his agenda, I would even go so far that this is treasonous with what they are doing.
Bro, treasonous? Do you understand the concept of separation of powers? Do you understand that the president was never actually meant to be the most powerful branch of the government? What exactly is treasonous about upholding the checks and balances our government was supposed to be built around?
@cipher42 If the president did nothing wrong then getting rid of him means the government is choosing who it will allow to head the American people, rather than the people choosing who it wants to head the country.
@Naydyonov First of all, there's pretty damn good evidence that the President DID do something wrong, that's why he was impeached. Second, you understand that if he's removed from office, the government does not get to choose who leads instead? That's what a vice president is for. A vice president who the people voted for, meaning that they voted for him to lead the country in case the elected President stopped being able to be the President.
@cipher42 I will tell you what baffles me. The US under Obama continued spying on the entire world and not a single one of them was punished. The idea of impeaching Obama for allowing the NSA to spy on the entire US populous would be laughable.
Does it really have to do with adhering to the law or more to do that people don't like Trump? Because the NSA has been operating under three presidents and I have yet to see anyone try to get the heads of these agencies or the presidents who allow their operation fired.
If Trump did actually do something, then okay. But if this is like the whole "Trump is working for Putin" drama then I obviously can't support it.
@Naydyonov Why the red herrings? Obama doesn't matter, this isn't about him. And while the state of privacy in this country is obviously fucked, it's been so since like 9/11, Obama wasn't exactly out of the ordinary there.
Trump's actions however are out of the ordinary- explicitly requesting that a foreign government interfere in our elections, and withholding federally approved aid with the intention of keeping it until they did so. That's like, explicitly illegal, and decidedly unprecedented.
Seriously, do you not know what Trump actually did? The fact that you're representing the impeachment as something about Putin makes it appear that you haven't actually been paying a whole lot of attention, and are probably not qualified to speak on the impeachment, let alone how Trump's actions compare to Obama's.
@cipher42 But see I would support the impeachment of any president that allows these spy agencies to operate. For me this is a very important question. The question of foreign involvement in elections.. well to be honest there are an array of issues, from foreign funding and corporate funding, to allies and enemies meddling into elections.
I support the US position on many issues, but I definitely found a phrase intriguing: "we can't allow others to meddle in our elections and take away the American people's right to freely choose their leaders". Despite the fact that the US does the same and often in greater extents. The fact that the US spends public money to pay off or threaten foreigners to sell out their countries or organizations.
If America upholds the ideals of democracy, it must do so not only in its domestic policy, but also in its foreign policy.
From what I know Zelenskiy has said he felt no pressure from Trump. The transcript I read did not include Trump telling him he needs to do anything. Perhaps new transcripts came out.
If Trump is being investigated for potentially illegals dealings in regards to Ukraine, then so should Biden. Why should any American be allowed to exploit the delicate economic and political situation in Ukraine? Getting the Ukrainians to fire a prosecutor investigating corruption is interfering with that country's legal system.
If everyone agrees Ukraine needs to be supported, then it should be completely normal to have Democrats and Republicans alike investigated for potential wrongdoing.
I want both parties to hold people accountable for what they do in regards to America and what they do in regards to other countries. When it seems like the only thing half of America cares about is attacking the one guy while ignoring an entire crowd of such people, then yes it automatically makes me more supportive of the guy. It makes me question the motivations for their attacks.
@Naydyonov Can you maybe stop with the red herrings? The US's foreign and domestic policy as a whole is not the issue here. The actions of other presidents and politicians are not the issue here. The issue here is that TRUMP has done something blatantly illegal, and is being rightfully impeached for it. Several people have testified that he requested that the Ukraine investigate Biden, and that Trump withheld almost 400 million dollars of military aid until the Ukraine did so. Do you want me to go cite you the sources?
Cool, that'd almost be some kinda evidence if not for the fact that Trump literally admitted to withholding the aid. Cite your source, are you certain it's not just about the fact that the aid wasn't withheld *indefinitely*? (Since it was released after Trump's actions were discovered and called out..)
@cipher42 "The US's foreign and domestic policy as a whole is not the issue here. The actions of other presidents and politicians are not the issue here."
But it is. You can't pick and choose when you punish people for not following the law. "But Trump is the president". So was Bush and Obama. Why weren't they ever investigated? It's hypocritical to say it doesn't matter what other presidents did but what Trump seems to have done does.
Well they voted against it so he isn't impeached and quite frankly it should never have gotten as far as it did to begin with considering they had absolutely no charges against him (hence the vague claim of "abuse of power" because every other accusation was proven to be false). Now the democrats have shown what they are capable of and quite frankly I don't think the American people are to thrilled with it. They have shown that they will do and say ANYTHING to get power and I think people are rightfully pushing back against them. In a way this whole fiasco is a good thing because its pretty much guaranteed Trumps reelection.
The guy is vile. He may win the electoral college again because it is a crooked system but I GUARANTEE he will lose the popular vote, just like before. And he will lose by MILLIONS. So that means, once again, WAY more people HATE this criminal, lying, cult-leading asshole than like him. Our country is fucked. Hopefully he will be mauled by a bear or something before the next election. There are just too many dumbasses in this country. Idiots love this shitstain and will vote for him even if he grabs their redneck wives by their stinky pussies.
@kadegk24 I know right, or what about the Clinton’s? Why did bill go to Epstein’s island 26 times? Why was Epstein killed? To cover the far lefts truth. These people are so blind, the only defense they know is trump did this, trump did that.
They never had actual witnesses just hear Sayers and processors. they twisted words around just like every other time when they dont get there way. if we did this to monkey boy there would be mass riots and we would be called racist. compared to BARRY TRUMP has actually helped the American people and set us back
I think they're dividing the country more. I don't care for the news too much, or policies that don't affect me. On the flip side I do care that growing up, in work places, everywhere I've seen racism and sexism grow worse as I age rather than better, people are more divided. I don't think it's the republicans doing that, they only see GDP, jobs, growth, beneficial alliances, and crushed enemies.
There is ample proof that Trump was involved in trying to elicit another county to interfere in US politics. Of course it won't get through the Senate. This is about Trump's blatant lies and his clumsy and disgraceful attempts to thwart demoracy and to ignore constitutional restraints, even though he swore that he would uphold the ideals of that particular document. The man is an embarrassment to the US and to fair discussion and intelligent debate. Those who hold the view that there is some kind of vendatta by the Democrats are merely naive and lack political knowhow. And the person in the comments here who used the term 'monkeyboy' as what might be construed as describing Obama is merely a badly brought up fool and should never be left alone with children. For all it's worth Trump is a complete disaster for America and not highly regarded in political circles anywhere.
Asking another country to look into something thats not illegal it happens everday. if your not going to do anything to everyone that was that was involved with when clinton was running that she paid for false documents by a known liers then you need to just go else where bc people did come out and say they did it and wheres the proof with trump there isn't any. everything was 2nd 3rd and 4th hand hear says and opinions. the dems wouldn't let anyone ask questions everything was in the underground bunkers with only one side and they been trying to get ride of trump from day 1.
It's time for americans to recognise the danger trump style presidency can lead to the destruction of democratic values and rising authoritarianism. There is more than ample proof and it will only take a handful of the now gutless republicans to make sure justice is done. Of course that won't happen and this tyrant will be reelected - to the benefit of the wealthy and damn the working class! How easily the people are fooled. A talentless clown has been elected in the UK and one of the least capable ignorant uncouth fools is the supposed leader of the free world. Economically the US is heading for a mighty recession, in fact probably unstoppable if this maniac continues with his absurd trade wars. The allegations from the impeachment inquiries will be tested in the senate trial as provided by the constitution (btw the rules for an impeachment were updated and written by republican speaker John Boehner) but the bias of the wealthy republicans, only interested in their own seats, will override justice and people all across the world will suffer.
@adidas0169" i don't think the Senate will allow this travesty to go any longer". You are right it is a travesty of justice, democracy and any acknowledgement of the separation of powers. If you don't understand what any of that means, and it seems clear you don't, then i suggest you read up on democracies and the American War of Independence. The Congress has every right to question the president or any other member- they are all accountable as your representatives. As for due process etc - it was John Boehenr's (Republican Speaker- www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../napolitano-blames-boehner-2015-republicans-for-house-rules-allowing-closed-door-impeachment-proceedings) who wrote the rules faithfully and legally followed by the Democrats for the impeachment procedures. IF fairness and justice is not your aim for your political parties then perhaps you are the one should 'get over it' as your country was founded on those particular principles. It is time for you to grow up and learn a bit more about democratic political systems or you can resort to authoritarianism and a mere goosestep away from fascism. And here to finish off one from a seriously right wing web news outlet that you might like to consider. www.thedailybeast.com/judge-napolitano-schools-fox-and-friends-on-impeachment-adam-schiff-just-following-the-rules-written-by-gop
@adidas0169 You are racist, 'monkey boy' indeed. Racism is just about the lowest from of intelligence among humans and shows mostly that you run with the wrong crowd or were simply brought up badly. When you say those things your credibility is shot to bits. It is no wonder you support someone who is endeavoring to overturn the institutions of a democracy such as the Constitution, the separation of powers and rule without accountability. Trump won't be found guilty, whatever the articles of impeachment are, but his reputation is damaged forever. When his term is finished he will be taken to court for many counts of bankruptcy and fraud - especially the one where he robbed the charity he set up. The senate doesn't care if it is a 'travesty' or anything about the truth, they care only about their seats and their pensions.
@adidas0169 “The rules say that this level of inquiry, this initial level of inquiry, can be done in secret,” Napolitano said, effectively dismantling the primary talking point of both Fox News and the Trump White House. “Secret evidence doesn’t work in this world, so eventually there will be a public presentation of this,” he added, “at which lawyers for the president can cross-examine these people and challenge them.” by the way a read of some good economists might help you along also in regard to GDP etc. When you don't know so much perhaps it is wiser to ask questions than blurt your ignorance all over the place.
Ah adidas, not one for intelligent discussion are you? Infantile statements and non sequiturs are more your thing. Only kool aide drinker here is you. Please help yourself to the jug. But before you expire in your own vomit you might like to look at the news today... although it might be pitched at a level (8th grade) beyond your understanding.
I will discuss anytime but not with someone that that won't listen. i have better things to do then talk to a brick wall or someone that clearly gets there info from cnn or msnbc or someone that thinks that what the democratic party was clearly was right.
Why on earth would anyone discuss politics with you while it is so damn obvious you have no idea of what the constitution or congress is really about? You know exactly nothing of the law and probably less about history. I have nothing to discuss with you as my preference is intelligent political debate,. good bye.
It’s trash. Every time they say there’s some new damning thing it turns out to be BS like “I heard this guy say that this other guy said he overheard that Trump said this”.
But the Dems are doubling and tripling down and they will be able to get the vote, but they’ll be no conviction in the senate.
In the end, nothing will come of it and Trump just comes out looking like the victor being targeted by the salty left.
There’s going to be record turn out on both sides in 2020 and Trump will probably win but they really will need everyone to come out.
Since you've evidently been paying attention to the impeachment proceedings, can you clarify which parts exactly you think lack enough evidence to justify impeachment?
@cipher42 Well the first article is nonsense, we have the transcript, Zelensky said nothing was wrong multiple times, other Ukraine officials said nothing was wrong. So the first article: Abuse of power is garbage. Additionally, the accusation is in essence an accusation of bribery, which is specifically named as an impeachable offense, so it's very curious to me that they would not write a the first article up as bribery or even add a third listed as bribery... it's almost like saying "abuse of power" is more broad and easier to make impeachment happen by not bringing forth *specific* charges that would be more easily disproven.
The second article was ordering others not to conform to subpoenas issued by the impeachment committee. I'm not sure exactly how impeachable that is, but as I understand it, it came from Trump's side not being allowed to call witnesses themselves. It was something like the committee was going to call on whatever witnesses felt would allow it push impeachment and the opposition would not be allowed to cross-examine or call their the witnesses they wanted to talk to. So Trump did a similar thing, so no side really gets to have all the witnesses it wants. However, when this happened I was under the impression that it was a legal, albeit disapproved of move. Then Schiff supposedly goes and secretly subpoenas the phone records of an *innocent journalist who is not under investigation* ... and then publishes them to the public.
So the second article would have more merit than the first (which has none), but it seems like it came about as the result of a kangaroo trial and partisan political tactics on the part of democrats. So... I don't know.
But whatever, it's done now. It will do the news cycle. The senate trial will follow CNN will throw more shade, the senate won't convict. Then it will be some very tense months leading up to the election. There will be a sizable portion of people that will be convinced that Trump should have been removed but wasn't because the government is corrupt and fascist, etc. There's groups like antifa that have a penchant for stoking the flames and literal violence. Trump will be doing rallies and it will agitate antifa and crazy progressives. I wonder if they'll be some serious trouble in the lead up and I fully believe that there will be record turn out, but Trump will still pull ahead, then there will definitely be violence by outraged leftists, in my opinion. If he gets re-elected they'll surely start up more impeachment bullshit trying to get him out and they will pile on with all the negative press they can get.
Zelensky said nothing was wrong with what, exactly? And what would such a statement change? Also, is it your understanding that the "abuse of power" article is only about bribery, and no other crimes?
As for the second article, do you have a source explaining in more detail why the white house refused to comply with subpoenas/witness depositions?
Also is the issue with the abuse of power article that it doesn't involve specific crimes or that the specific crimes it does involve aren't impeachment articles of their own? What would the difference in legitimacy be?
@cipher42 “Zelensky said nothing was wrong with what, exactly?” The call. As in there was no intimidation, bribery, extortion or quid pro quo.
“And what would such a statement change?” Well if the supposed victim says there was no crime then that usually an important detail, especially when there’s nothing else to suggest that a crime even took place.
“Also, is it your understanding that the "abuse of power" article is only about bribery, and no other crimes?” It’s about the call with Zelensky. It’s been referred to as bribery before, although it’s been referred to as all of the above before as well. It just seems odd that they wouldn’t also try to throw in bribery specifically as an article, that’s all.
“why the white house refused to comply” I think they did comply. It’s just that Trump wanted them not to.
“do you have a source” I believe there’s a Trump tweet of him complaining about Schiff and not being able to face his accusers and also stating he wasn’t going to permit his staff to be called as witnesses either until Schiff let up. I’m not digging for that shit or anything else related to it. It’s over and we know how the senate trail will turn out so who cares.
“is the issue with the abuse of power article that it doesn't involve specific crimes or that the specific crimes it does involve aren't impeachment articles of their own?” The impeachable offense is the *alleged* quid pro quo with Zelensky; 400 million in aid for dirt on political enemies (Biden). The issue is that we don’t have proof of quid pro quo. So it shouldn’t be an impeachable offense because there was no offense. My point about specificity was that “bribery” is largely clear and identifiable. But “abuse of power” is a nebulous term. If I say the call with Zelensky was bribery, then you look for evidence of that understanding between Trump and Zelensky and if you can’t find it then there’s no evidence to support impeachment. If I say the call was “abuse of power” well what does that mean? Intimidation, bribery, extortion, quid pro quo? Well it’s all of the above or anything else that fits under the subjective term of “abuse.” It’s whatever they need it to mean to get the votes for impeachment. That’s all it’s really about – votes. What makes something impeachable? Well the language is a bit wobbly. Treason and bribery are specifically identified, but beyond that only the generality of “high crimes and misdemeanours.” So how do you decide what is impeachable? Votes. If you have the votes then it’s impeachable, and votes come from the house and the senate which means it’s generally going to take partisan lines to some extent. And you can see the argument that follows from that being discussed during the testimony of the “constitutional experts”; If we impeach based on this then what’s to stop the next Democrat president getting impeached unfairly by a republican house and republican senate? And that’s really what’s going on here, the house is Democrat so they have the votes to impeach and they did. The senate is Republican so there’s no 2/3 to convict.
Impeachment is just a political weapon and in this instance it’s being used for ill, in my opinion.
I would like to also add that there Trump isn’t actually charged with any statutory crimes in relation to impeachment.
Furthermore, no one seems to talking about why it was the phone call and a rushed “obstruction” that they are impeaching with. Why is it that and not all the shit about “kids in cages” and all sorts of stuff like that? Was it because all the bs they accused him of had zero proof? Compared to the call or “obstruction”? Or was it that he was going after Biden and that’s important to them compared to everything else that they say about him?
Donald is a crybaby lol look at the way he tweets it's like my 9 year old niece. I personally think it's all a hoax to make people pay attention to Donald instead of other candidates.
by the way it does concern everyone outside of the united states because the world doesn't support terrorism and the united states is the #1 founder of psychological, agricultural, cyber, and economic terrorism. Why is the united states silencing whistle blowers that expose the terroristic acts of American imperialism?
@bluecircle-I know you’re not serious about thinking it’s a hoax to get attention but I do think you’re serious about his tweeting being like your nine-year-old niece if you don’t like his tweets don’t listen I don’t read but trying to shut down his right to free speech is being like a fascist you are the deal not see in the crowd
Bitch shut ur ass up and hop off his dick. You're a monkey, I dont listen to his tweets I read them... and why would I not read the tweets of a megalomaniac that's entertaining everyone with child like behaviour, not to mention the fact that he is mentally unstable and has psychiatrists and psycho therapists and I want to see what the psycho is going to do next... you are the sheep that has no control over his thoughts.
@bluecircle- two questions, you said “America is the #1 founder off psychological , agricultural, cyber, and economic terrorism.” You just made that up. There is no such thing as what the fuck you just reported, as if it is fact. You pulled it outta your ass, bc it’s total bs. How can you be so ignorant? And second, you say the us is “silencing whistle blowers that expose terrorist acts of American imperialism”. Again, a dumb made up scenario that belongs in your imagination, yet you tout it as fact. No such thing. So, your entire thesis just sucks. There’s not a fact anywhere in it. No one believes such drivel.🤮🤮
Are you retarded or just uneducated? Psychological terrorism is the western propaganda machine, agricultural terrorism is destroying other countries crops and stealing opium fields aka Afghanistan, cyber terrorism is STUXNET and all other hacks that america deployed on other countries, economic terrorism is sanctions and forms of pressuring a country for no reason other than bullying. How can you be so ignorant? And whistle blowers. Do you live under a rock? Have you not read anything Wikileaks released? Snowden, Assange, Manning, Felt, Elsberg leaks... 😶
How does it feel to get ripped to shreds with facts and references? I got more if you want 😂🤣
Just because you say something, doesn’t make it fact, and so I’m still looking for just one single fact, you have none. And do you have letters after your name? Letters like PhD, MA, DO, MBA. Etc? Your mental analysis of Trump is laughable, you don’t know jack shit about Trumps mental status, stop lying about it. Name calling right out of the gate just helps you look like the fraud you are. You can have your own opinion, but you can’t make up your own facts. Your thesis and narrative still sucks, it’s nothing more than a bunch of drivel... Btw- what some people do is quote others who are well known experts, or links to actual sources that support your statements... just saying...
It seems to me this is more of the radical left attempting to do anything possible to destroy the man and nullify his political agenda.
They went after him for collusion and proved nothing and now there seems to be evidence of the Democrats being the ones involved in wrongdoings concerning the 2016 election. They went after Kavanaugh, slandered him and deformed his character on literally no evidence. Now this impeachment hearing is going on and there seems to be no legit evidence here as well.
Never liked trump. He really is an idiot and a narcissist. Its nothing new, a lot of powerful people are, but he's just too obnoxious and senile to hide it for even a second.
Like bloomberg for example, no one trusts that guy, but at least he can form a complete sentence. Or obama, no he didn't do anything all that amazing, but he's likeable, a charismatic diplomat. Unlike our cheeto in chief who actively flirts with dictators and pisses off every ally we've ever made. He told the kurds of all people to fuck off basically, while buddying up with Erdogan and kim jong un and Putin.
Look the chaos and the shake up of washington was interesting and even kinda funny, but not anymore. He needs to go and it looks like everyone else is finally waking up to that same realization. The majority of americans want him impeached.
Where are you getting it from that the majority of Americans want him impeached? Every major poll (Gallup, CNN, Bloomberg) done lately has found that 47-50 percent of respondents were for impeachment.
@Stevecs24 i can't put links on here but thats what it says on CNN. Its 51% for, 43% against and i guess 6% undecided. Its way higher than when Clinton was impeached, and trump has the lowest approval rating of any president since they started recording it. Dont shoot the messenger, but your boy is an unstable asshole and no one likes him.
He isn't my boy by any means, but I believe in accuracy, and your simply wrong by saying "most Americans want him impeached" and when you falsely state things it hurts your overall argument, even if it has merit.
Lmao if you think anything cnn says is true, you are completely wrong. They lie like there life depends on it. This is why so many Democrats are misinformed and hate trump. Watch multiple different news channels, don’t just depend on one. And I advise you not to listen to cnn, they lie on trump so fucking much.
I quoted CNN BECAUSE they hate Trump and even they are not claiming most Anericans want him impeached. Look, you can acknowledge that what you said is false or you can simply not respond, but I think it's very immature to just "laugh" when someone is pointing out that you were wrong. But your a teenager, so, guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Sorry, it wasn't you who said the wrong thing, I thought I was still talking to the other person, I apologize. Also CNN, fox, MSNBC are all full of shit.
@Stevecs24 i would acknowledge what i said was false, if it were false😒 its not my problem if you can't look up the articles I've read and watch the news I've watched. Blame this fucking site thats saying i can't post links and you can. he's been impeached so i dont know what you want from me bro.
How do I feel about the impeachment? First let's start with the fact that I'm politically independent, I follow both right and left news media and have watched this from both perspectives. Trump has committed multiple crimes, he has milked the national treasury for his own gain and he has made it very clear that he feels that he is above the law. I am glad that they finally impeached him, but I don't think that it will go through the Senate as the Democrats messed it up. They had him dead to rights on multiple crimes but chose to move forward on a wishy washy set of articles that will easily be be laughed out of the Senate floor. I would have much rather seen a large set of solid criminal accusations that would have to be addressed one at a time rather then this milktoast piece of paper.
Of course you’d have liked that better. But they didn’t do that because, guess what? The democrats can’t say any 9f that because it never happened. Wtf is this about “he has milked the national treasury for his own gain”? Like wtf are you even talking about? This is about Trump being impeached, you must be talking about a different impeachment...😂🤣😅😅
@Girther10 using public funds foe personal gain is also a crime. Again he is a deplorable con man and I can't believe how many people have bought the con. Yes, he did commit multiple crimes. Almost all of which the Democrats chose to not file. Again I have voted Republican I also follow right news sources, mostly business sources but right leaning.
But the Dems didn’t go for the “multiple crimes”, because there weren’t any. If there were , They would have taken the time to prove it. Talk about buying “the con”, look in the mirror. 🤣😂😅
@Girther10 Prosecute them both! Who cares if someone else did it, get rid of all the rats. Everyone of them, the ones that think my money belongs to them to do with as they please. I don't pay taxrs for someone drunk on power to use to get themselves rich, to help out their rich buddies or to enrich their own companies. Public funds come out of my damned pocket and they can work for their money like the rest of us. Talk about Fing welfare look at our Congress, and our executive branch. Treasonous I tell you, money grabbing con men. Oust em all and lock em all up.
Anpu23- where you went wrong is when you said the got him for multiple crimes. There’s not a single crime included in the articles of impeachment. Tha last impeachment’s began with a crime. There is still NO crime present, in this latest crime against our nation, committed by the Dems. They deserve to be outed, indicted, and convicted for treason, then hung upside down from a bridge, just like Mussolini...
When a person's conduct gets scrutinized by many people, it means there's something wrong. And in terms of being a President, if he doesn't successfully get impeached, the US will be an entire laughing stock. It will impact us nationally and globally as well. People need to look at the bigger picture and at the US constitution more seriously. Not impeaching the President of his crimes will be allowing more scrutiny from other nations especially dealing with international conflicts. It also will let others see that if a president can get away from a crime, than they can too. President Trump is one of the most scandalized president out there. Also, people wanna think twice about his businesses because there's no such thing as clean business.
I think this is going one of two ways, they impeach him and nothing happens he is still the president boohoo liberals. Or they impeach him and try to remove him from office and they are going to see an army arise the likes of which will be "huge" and the liberals will flee in terror as the "rednecks" they were worried about turn out to be guys in suits who grew up in the 80's, watched movies like Heavy Metal, and don't rightly give a F34k about peoples feelings when they intrude on ours. In other words it should be fun
@John_Doesnt Ah douche says what. Go troll someone else moron, lol. I got other things to do. As a future point of reference though, I don't really care about your feelings. I don't subscribe to your safe space, there are only 2 genders, I am a bad white man, I am straight, I don't believe in giving over any guns to the government even IF I owned any. I don't get triggered, I just pull up software and track people down. I don't do the keyboard warrior crap because most of you look like Rambo First Blood on here but in real life you look like Rambo Blood Infusion. And I can't think of anything else to give you as ammunition against me but I am sure there is more. Also I am not privileged, I have a RAP sheet 15 pages long, currently out on bail and don't care if you know that,. See, this is where we differ you can call me a Nazi and whatever else your little faggot a$$ wants, but in the end I don't care about names. I am just an unhinged mother f&&ker that has no problem at all watching the world burn,
@Lord_Ateag What can you do, some guys are what they are. I figure online is easy to figure people, especially people who use Ryan Reynolds as an Avatar, at least use deadpool
It's funny how Leftists associate Trump with Hitler when, like him, THEY want to disarm citizens and THEY want to limit speech. The President has never officially said anything inherently racist, but if you're white, you're a beneficiary of some systemic privilege program I've yet to encounter in my 28 years of being white.
@Lord_Ateag I was thinking that the last couple weeks. How sad it must be to go along calling anything you don't like out offensive and DEMANDING it be stopped, yet when someone says something they are doing is offensive their freedoms are being infringed upon. I have taken to calling it for what it is, BS. I have found that my friends list may grow shorter, but the list I have is more accurate. Yeah, this impeachment thing is going to be a blast. We will either see a civil war, which is unlikely. Only because the truth is much better when you think about how many more tears and TDS cases will pop up when they realize that not only will he still be in office, but they assured him his reelection lmao
@John_Doesnt Sorry, but the despots are the ones who make up laws in an attempt to overthrow an election. That would be the 227 traitors to the Constitution who voted "Yes" on the two Articles of Impeachment, neither of which enumerates an actual criminal offense. It is purely political and antithetical to the intent of the Constitutional Convention, which outright rejected George Mason's idea of allowing impeachment for political disputes. Instead they limited it in Article 2, Section 4.
@DiscomfortZone @adriheart7 I do apologize on his behalf for the nasty comment that this discomforted friendzoned person has made about you. He is a guy and has hay instead of brain cells. Don't mind him.
Girl I don't know who tf you talking to, but you need to watch your tone. All this shit you’re typing is garbage, tf you talkin bout. Go sit your ass down somewhere.
@SueShe I'm sorry, are you triggered? Does my masculinity make you feel raped? Grow up, get help, learn to cope with life, and like I said - wait for the PMS to end before communicating with humans.
He will be impeached but not removed. The fact is the Dems wanted this since the day he was elected they just didn’t have the votes at the time. Then the midterms gave them majority in the house and that was their opportunity. What’s amazing is they wanted him impeached before he ever was accused of anything
Trump is going to do nothing but trumpet his way through everything. nothing he says should be taken seriously and it's a shame and a crime that he's even president in the first place. It's a sad day when George w bush jr. Has done more for this country in this sorry excuse of an individual who's concerned more about everything looking like something from his TV show then anything that actually has to do with this country.
and since he doesn't care about doing his job properly I think that was just stop paying attention start figuring out how to get this s*** done ourselves cuz he's not trying to do anything and I'm tired of watching him be lazy.
Who all feels that he needs to be impeached and removed needs to stop listening to the liberal left and actually read and listen what was actually said. he didn't anything wrong. Biden did when he was vice pres making a threat if you dont fire the prosecutor that is looking into my son's company that he works for and if you dont in 6hrs we will with hold BILLION dollars in aid. when HUNTER had no experience in the energy field and is a known druggie oh wait he got the job bc of his daddy. or the Dems ILLEGALLY obtaining Fisa warrants or paying for the steele documents from someone that was known to be shady. who did all that the same party that wanted slavery want to censor everything that you do and say and the same ones that when they illegally stacked the deck in the 2016 there BITCH still couldnt win. so fuck you all that feel and believe that was done was right bc pay back is a bitch. oh by the way that same bitch should be in prison for what she has done.
Girl, I’m guessing a lot of foreigners know a helluva lot more about American politics than most Americans.
And yes, what happens here does concern other people outside of the US. What we do affects people all around the world. You sound extremely rude and ignorant as to how relations with other countries work 😂.
That being said, I really don’t like him, so I’m perfectly content with him being impeached.
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