What do you think of Tomi Lauren’s PSA To Boyish Men rant?

[MzAsh]

The “Angel” has turned “Devil” yet again with her anti feminist, anti-Democrat followers now as she has published a call to action to the men who have wronged her and her friends. The video is public on her Facebook page.

Imagine spending years pandering to a certain camp of men only to continue to be disliked and disrespect by them in your personal life, and then hate you even more when you use your voice to critique their behavior?

I keep trying to tell women like her that this “Pick me! I’m not a feminist! I’m not like other girls!” gimmick doesn’t work. She’s been virtue signaling to men who don’t like her using her voice unless it’s to flatter them. Those type of men want a girl (not a woman) who is pretty, submissive, and silent and nothing else.

It’s all fine and well to them when she uses her voice to complain about feminists or democrats, but the minute she brings that energy to call action to men or to criticize male behavior, now they can’t stand it.

Why? Because at the end of the day, they don’t respect women. They might “like” women who stay in line, but that’s it.

Simply put, girl needs a new strategy. White knighting asshole men obviously isn’t working for her, and that’s why despite the fact that she’s cute and right wing (mostly) she’s still single and frustrated.

The right type of men are certainly out there, but they are off in a different direction.

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Thanks everyone for your input on this. I realize that the problem primarily is with Tomi herself. While her frustrations are valid and her expectations of men are reasonable, her mindset and delivery are all wrong. Regardless of the political views, we know that she’s not properly manifesting what she wants with men. She claims that she’s tired of dealing with guys who don’t make plans, when she really shouldn’t be dealing with them at all.

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She’s not tapping in to her feminine influence, again, this starts with a high value, abundance mindset... which she doesn’t demonstrate in her video.

[Oram52]

I wasted about 10 minutes watching that video, to begin with however I see absolutely no relevance to your actual question. I don't see what her being anti-feminist has to do with it. Support for feminism is only 30% and one assumes it would also include a lot of anti-feminists.

Doing a quick search she's actually calling herself constitutional conservative, and not traditional conservative. So I don't see why her being modern woman would contrast that or why being modern woman would automatically mean modern feminist, being pro choice for example is not feminist stance.

I don't know much about her, other than view videos here and there. And I certainly don't agree with her on many issues probably, certainly not the way she chooses to express them.

So going by that in the video she just seemed bitter and angry. You said for example she's anti-feminist yet such views have been expressed by women of all types and men have replied look in the mirror.

She is attractive and successful. So I am sure many men would be happy to date her, yet she seems to put all blame on men? She says most of her friends are attractive and successful yet they are having problem with men. Makes no sense, she was just ranting. At one point she says make plans in advance maybe 2/3 days in advance or I'm not interested?

She seems entitled and I'm guessing same with her friends. Like one comment mentioned she scares men away with her behaviour. I mean she is attractive and successful, why is it she and her friends having issues with men then?

I'm not saying men are saints but this is the problem. Women are quick to blame men yet wouln't even humour the idea maybe its them? Many of them have unrealistic expectations while not being able to offer same in return. So who's to say problem isn't with her and her friends either? Like I said she is attractive and successful, not sure about her personality which I'm guessing might in fact be the problem. She's just blaming men, there are plenty of decent men maybe you're not looking at the right places, maybe you're the one making bad choices. Instead she replied men who disagree are triggered.

I don't see though relevance to her being anti-feminist and men she's pandering to don't seem like incels to me, as she also clearly mentioned she has talked about pussification of America before.

[MzAsh]

The relevance is that she’s signaling to the male anti-feminist agenda but doesn’t live the anti-feminist lifestyle, which is a big part of why she’s still single at 28.

[Oram52]

I'm guessing you mean MRAs and Red Pill. I saw no such thing from her views in video. Just because someone is anti-feminist doesn't mean they automatically signalling to anti-feminist agenda. Like I said only 30% support feminism it doesn't mean they also support MRA or Red Pill.

[MzAsh]

She has catered a large part of her whole career and persona to being anti-feminist. That’s her audience and the men she think she likes. But those men are seeing the feminism in her, not that there’s anything wrong with it. In this video, she is fiercely correct in her frustration. But she seems to be looking in the wrong places.

By the way, I don’t know where you got the 30% but I’m assuming you mean 30% of people identify as feminist. But the majority of people believe the some assortment of feminist ideals.

Think women have the right to vote and run for President? That’s feminism.

Think women have the right to a career while on a marriage? That’s feminism.

Most people DO subscribe to it to some degree.

[Oram52]

No, I'm sorry that's NOT feminism AT ALL :)
That's gender equality, two have no correlation at all. 30% is from polls, when asked if they identify as a feminist, 30% is percentage of people who say yes they identify as a feminist. So majority today don't identify or affiliate with feminism.

I think you're looking too much into it. I don't agree with all of what she was saying in video, again women have to look at themselves to and not just blame men. And seem to me men weren't saying she is being a feminist but simply she seems bitter, and problem could be with her too. That she is just pinning the whole blame on men or just demonizing men.

She is conservative, majority of conservatives are anti-feminist. So her audience is no anti-feminist, conservatives in general are anti-feminist, at least modern 3rd wave feminism, which is also associated with Progressives and identity politics, which conservatives will naturally oppose.

I think there is no link between her being anti-feminist, and her pandering to men who are anti-feminist. I'm not a feminist doesn't mean I'm conservative. Reading the comments I saw no evidence of anyone calling her a feminist, I even watched a video someone posted of Red Pilled guy discussing this video, even he didn't call her a feminist.

I don't see any link between the two. So I'm curious as to what makes you think precisely there is a link between what she is saying, and her being perceived as a feminist by her target audience. Also who are these anti-feminist audience the type of men she thinks she likes.

[MzAsh]

Feminism started as gender equality. There are a lot of anti-feminists who don’t believe women should vote. Sadly, those are the men she panders to also. Look up Rollo Tomassis video on her. He explains how she IS a feminist. Even though I consider him a low value male, a broken clock is right twice a day.

[mindNsoul]

@Oram52 I liked your moderate neutral stand. Well constructed arguments.

[Oram52]

I think its stretching it, there is no correlation. The thing is anti-feminists have many different views, they are not homogeneous. They maybe anti 3rd wave feminism for example. Even if someone is traditional it doesn't mean they are against gender equality, over 80% of people support gender equality, but not feminism. I don't see any correlation. I presume you dislike her and dislike her views, and for whatever reason you want her being associated with feminism, despite her being anti-feminist, as to discredit her. But there is not much here to achieve that.

You've not managed to satisfactorily provide any cohesive reasons as to how such correlation can be made, only reason you're provided is portion of her target viewers. Which I mentioned are not homogeneous and can vary including the type of anti-feminists you're talking about. They are merely proportion of her viewers and not the totality. Which also include female anti-feminists. Making it difficult to make such assertion and correlation. I just don't see it. There are other female conservative anti-feminists too, who are also successful, modern, and all for gender equality but even expressing views in the video you can't correlate to discredit them that despite pandering certain views she is now contradicting herself, so she indeed is a feminist. Its stretching it.

[Oram52]

Gender equality existed even before feminism, Classical Liberals were vocal in modern history to stand up for gender equality. It makes feminism look weak and desperate that they are desperately trying to change the narrative to impose feminism on anyone who agrees with gender equality, even when ideologically they oppose feminism. You must've seen women on social media saying why they are not a feminist, trying to impose feminism is going to bring about even stronger negative response, and make feminism look weak, desperate and pathetic.

Feminism is not just gender equality but encompasses many different ideological narratives, like male gaze, objectification, mansplaining, benevolent sexism, gender fluidity etc, a lot of pseudo-intellectualism that have no scientific evidence or rational reasoning behind it. Its part of Marxism, same way other branches of Progressivism see social justice, its part of identity politics. Modern feminism is particular way of seeing the world, specific way its designed, specific narratives, specific goals it wants to achieve, which even majority of women disagree with. So modern feminism is not just gender equality. It'll be like saying if you oppose abortion you're automatically a social conservative, when said person could be staunchly secular. So the association is flimsy at best and just makes feminism look weak, sad and desperate. :)

[Oram52]

@mindNsoul Thanks :), I actually liked your reply too on the question love me like a man.

[MzAsh]

Feminist or not, I was referencing a type of man she’s likely going for is the reason why she’s still single at 28. It’s not because she’s ridden the “carousel.” It’s not because she’s a career woman. It’s not because she’s loud and bitchy because there are a lot of men out there who love bitches, and I don’t believe she has nothing to offer.

I believe it’s because she’s aiming for the wrong type of man.

[mindNsoul]

@Oram52 much appreciated🌹

[Agnes1987]

In which way what she is saying is feminist? It worriers me that you think that good old rants about the battle of the sexes are feminist. This type of stuff have being said always ( like who are worse boys or girls) and has nothin to do with feminist ideas. This is just the same discussion about traditional roles that have happened in the context of the "battles of the sexes". Feminism is not asking for good old gentlemen, is asking fro respect and equal treatment for men and women. This rant is more about reinforcing old traditional roles that a proper criticism about sexist behavior. In which way her rant is opposed to her antifeminist views. ranting about men is something common even in sexist women. if she was showing a real criticism of male behavior she would explain how the views of women among men affect relationships and she wouldn't asking for reinforcement of the old gender roles.

[MzAsh]

Feminist in the way that she is starting to seem more and more Team Woman. You could also say gynocentric.

[Oram52]

I guess I'm just sort of repeating myself again, but "team woman" does *NOT* equate feminism. Even then from her 15 min rant its definitely stretching it - there isn't much causation here.

[MzAsh]

I guess we have different ideas of feminism. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[ronaldo75]

She's proving she's a typical irrational millennial female who plays tough then whips out the victim card when it suits her. Ash, she's a conservative but are you that shocked?

[ronaldo75]

"The relevance is that she’s signaling to the male anti-feminist agenda but doesn’t live the anti-feminist lifestyle, which is a big part of why she’s still single at 28." - You're smarter than that. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL that's not whats going on here...

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Thing is, she''s a HUGE example of one of those "trad con" gals that do hundreds of things 100% because of feminists made it possible to do so. What is she doing that the feminists she hates so much specifically fought for? Let's see

-She votes
-She talks plenty
-She'll talk to many guys, face to face, whether relationship or not.
-She likely drives. That's a feminist privilege to some countries
- She doesn't stick to one guy if she is unhappy
-She hasn't had a baby yet or is married by now

These are just some things that were different than expectations of women from the "traditional" times she claims to love so much. She literally makes money off being a media personality, which for years was seen a super radical leftist feminist ideal. She can't suddenly tell the traditional guys out there that exist she is 100% conservative, given the above. The cracks will form eventually, as it always does.

One look at her facebook post, and you'll see a shit ton of comments from men who now will not follow her anymore, disagree, or even compare her to Taylor Swift.

Perhaps many men these days are more intelligent than given cred for, as this shows they will no longer give attention to a girl, even if they're hot and they agree with her on every other thing, if she starts trashing/blaming them for some things out of their control. Some will, but at least from what it seems, many have a much stronger spine than what is thought.

[Liam_Hayden]

TradCons and RadFems both see men as utilities to be used. The only difference is TradCons want to use individual men directly and RadFems want to use men in general via the welfare system.

[Broken_doll]

Play with snakes long enough and you'll get bit.
I don't know her, but watched a little of the PSA. I'm 39, so I've been through different generations of dating.
Before cell phones, men had to actually call you and you could gauge each other's personality over the phone. Without texting, it was hard to lie on the spot and without cell phones, he or you had to be home to take the call, so you had a better handle on if he was serious about you or not.
I'm not sure if it's related to technology, but men were nicer and more transparent then. Sure, there were players, but it wasn't that common nor acceptable to be that way.
Now a days, being a player is glamorized via rap music etc., And with texting, you can lie, cheat and misrepresent yourself in all kinds of ways. And with social media and dating sites, you now have more options on who to sleep with. Take all that combined with poor fathering... either the absence of a father or a father encouraging man whore behavior--and you get what we have today... self-centered, weak ass, crybaby beta males who treat women like shit, yet expect girls to treat them like kings.

My solution is to just be friends with guys until one proves worthy, wait for sex, buy a vibrator so u don't the mistake by fucking an asshole who is just lying and using you. Don't chase men because then you won't know who really likes you and who just likes the attention. Meet his friends bc they are a good indicator of who he is and if he is acting shady, he probably has another girl on the side. If you question it, he will lie, so ditch him instead.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Not sure if I agree with the "blame technology" part, as I'm a more "blame the user, not the tech" type. But that last paragraph is very similar to what I advise to both girls and guys who ask me for relationship advise. Funny thing too, is even though that's my mindset, I'm considered by many as a incel manchild type dude, even though just that paragraph contradicts the shit outta it, since I apply it harshly to myself as well.

[Broken_doll]

@errorgoodnameunfound well the tech user wouldn't have a platform if it weren't for technology.
The truth is, we all want transparency in dating and that has been lost. So instead, it turns into a battle of the sexes... players, golddiggers, whores, fuckboys etc.
Let's treat each other better and make love, not war

[MzAsh]

Yeah, I’m 36 and I’m married. I always required men to date properly. I never wanted to mess with how the younger people do now where they’re just kinda talking, screwing around, no labels, etc. I require labels and real effort, and I never had a problem finding men who will oblige. They will if you command it properly. Women today think they have to settle for all this half ass behavior. The good ones will show real effort. The rest will fall out. Let them because you don’t want those ones anyway.

[Broken_doll]

Exactly. Women are afraid that if they voice what they want, the man will run away. Like these dating books (written by men) saying don't tell a guy you want a relationship too fast, play hard to get, etc. All bullshit. I tell a man I want a relationship on the first date, I don't have a problem. I leave it a mystery and play hard to get, I get played

[Mystic_Nova]

I feel like she is just discovering the asholes of the world. Like she di and nt know there was ashole menace and women alike, also, I guarentee she didn't date a guy for being tall enough, have enough money etc.

She acts like men arenobliagted to be with a woman.

She brings up her dear old friends, like they are Angel's on earth and located all the things guys should do, but nk nothing she actually had to OFFER for being in a relationship.


Men love a woman who can take care if her own, works hard and has a brain, but, they want someone who is humble and kind. She sounds like she is the one to tell her kids to work hard in school, so they dont end like the janitor.


Girl needs to get a reality check.

[Mystic_Nova]

I'm sure we all would like someone that completes us and are compatible with (unless you generally dont like relationships, which is fine all on its own!)

But, we can't act like men are out to get us and need a reminder how big and bad you are. Literally, most men I talk to just want someone to talk to most of the time and is able to be himself around.

[Reaperbot666]

• sounds like she is virtue signaling.
• good men want a traditional women. with old world traditional values. who has a personality and attitude they happen to enjoy. which I am not sure why any guy would want to date girls like her and her friends. girls like her chased off all the good men years ago. so they got left with the jerks that only want them for hookups and not relationships.
• the feminist movement as been going on since the 1850's. over the generations boys have been indoctrinated by public schools and collages. to believe that most or all traditional male behavior is toxic. with modern cancel culture going around they can have their lives ruined. if a woman even claims a man did bad things to her. without her needing to have any real prove to backup her claims in court or online.
• originally it was meant to explain the worst possible behaviors. but over the years hardcore feminists have twisted it to mean so much more then that. to where just about anything a guy does. can be labeled as toxic behavior to some degree.
  
  which explains why over the generations males have gone. from being more dominant to more submissive. due public schools and collages brainwashing them into believing. that much or all traditional male behavior is toxic.
  
  also since many children these days grow up without a stable 2 parent household unit. they do not often learn right from wrong. or they turn into snowflakes because of their snowplow parents. that remove most of life's challenges young people need to face in order to deal with the adult world.
  
  however their are woman who enjoy or crave a dominant male partner. along with is semi-toxic behaviors. because they find them exotic and kinky to a degree. since you see all the time how girls post on GaG. about select groups of guys being boring in bed or just uninteresting in life.

[MzAsh]

There are different kinds of men for different kinds of women. I don’t like traditional gender roles but I do like a monogamous, loyal marriage, and I’ve managed to get that despite breaking a lot of the “rules” such as being career oriented, opinionated, don’t want kids, hate cooking (although I do cook a little anyway because a girls gotta eat).

I don’t know a whole lot about Tomi but from what I can tell, she does have value in some ways but her strategy and mindset is lacking. She’s signaling to an audience of traditional conservatives, when she’s not living a life consistent of being a trad con woman. If she were, we wouldn’t be having this convo because she wouldn’t be a Fox News anchor. She’d be sitting in church looking for a man there, and she’d already have 2 kids at her age. But she chose to signal to angry political conservatives who don’t like being “told” anything by a woman... and that’s where she screwed up.

[Eagle_93]

That was a very interesting video.

There are several things I had to agree with her on, such as:

-Value the value a girl brings. I do belive us guys should definitely value a girl for what she brings to the relationship (obviously it ain't going far if we don't though lol).

-Be consistent. Yeah, I think I'd have to agree with her on that one too.
Don't show interest in a girl in the first place if you are not serious in carrying it through with her (of course this doesn't mean if the attraction somehow isn't there after a bit, or you find certain characteristics about her to he unpleasant, that you can't break it off. We both know there is a right way to do that of course.)

I mean, there are definitely guys out there that want to Tomi Lahren type of girl, but sometimes that can be a tough relationship if the girl is as active in politics etc as Tomi is.

So, yeah I agree with her on a few things she said, but it did kinda sound a bit "femenisty"😂(and not in a good way lol).

[MannMitAntworten]

As with all things lately... I’m indifferent. Granted, this isn’t directed towards me to begin with so, meh.


There are more women than men. There aren’t many viable men to begin with and usually we get snatched up by the smarter women who find potential in the man they happen to meet in their 20’s and marry them. So as women enter their 30’s and done with putting off the “adult thing” as my ex put it, the availability of viable men has already significantly decreased. Their options begin to open as some men divorce but they come with ex-wives and children which many women have less patiences for another woman’s kids than men do for another man’s children... thus further thinning their options. So around their early to mid 30’s women begin to chant, “All the good ones are taken...” Well, mostly yes. In their 20’s by other 20-something women.


The political poles share more in common and rant more of the same ‘stuff’ but in different perspectives. They are made for one another, but ai digress. She’ll remain single...

[Kurαȷ]

Make it a point to only date men whose role model is Donald "grab em by the pussy" Trump, then wonder why those men don't treat you right.

The genius of the conservative women.
I guess they forgot that the "good old days" that they promote also include them being treated like kitchen appliances and receiving a black eye here and there.

[NorthwestRider]

Ikr, Tomi loves Trump and Trump does not respect women lol

[MzAsh]

Exactly!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Basically! Hell, I think it's funny af the reaction of girls like her on GAG. I flat out will be like, "Ok Mrs conservative, then got off the internet, stu, and go make me a sammich. :D" I'm not afraid to give 'em a REAL taste of that "traditionalism" they claim to want so much :) The hatred toward me afterwards is worth it :D

[MzAsh]

I just say, if you’re going to be a trad con, at least be consistent with your behavior.

[devilman666]

What's the difference between a girl and a woman?

What is "the right type of man"?

Tbh this nonsense goes both ways, if you white knight for a group then you're going to get walked on, that's just how it be. Men who white knight for feminists get treated similar, if they kneel and repeat everything they were told then they are rewarded by being called allies, but if they bring up the male suicide rate or longer prison sentences for women then they're called down for being toxic and sexist.

[MzAsh]

The difference between a girl and a woman is in her mindset, attitude, and behavior. She’s still not self aware and comes off as immature.

The right toe of man for her is someone whose views align more with hers.

[DCooper]

Thot-tianas lol. Tomi sounded kind of aggravated there. She does make a few good points, but I noticed they were all revolving around 'you need to do this', and 'you need to do that'.

I can see why a woman who has her stuff together needs to have standards; but I didn't hear anything about what's in it for a guy to actually want to jump through all those hoops.

[Liam_Hayden]

It was typical "real" men B. S. designed to shame and manipulate guys into behaving against their own interests.

[Barbaric]

100%. That's the one thing women like her do not understand. They think that men should do whatever they want, without considering the idea that men just don't like them because they have little to offer in return. So all they know how to do is screech demands, and tell themselves comforting lies like "men are just intimidated by me because I'm so strong", rather than realise that actually they suck.

[DCooper]

I wonder if his hypothesis is right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPRLAU5qqB8

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Dude, I think BB is the guy I almost subbed to before. This video seems quite spot on and in fact, on GAG, proud to say I use his tactic, which is taking what women say, and changing words "men" to "women" and replacing little else and using that as a comment, in order to see reactions. Pretty sure I've made quite a few points with it. :D The "mirroring" tactic as I call it is what I see as ultimately one of THE best ways to at least have a chance to get people to see errors, or at least get others to do so.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Needless to say, "Wowwgirl" and her "strong women" and simp men fan crew either blocked me or specifically went out of their way to try to bother me. One of the guys I was even able to completely change her views on her, once I got him to see hypocrisy.

There's Really Only Two Types of Women ↗

[DCooper]

Just for the sake of perspective, compare Tomi's rant to Jenny Moleski (unicorn? chameleon? you decide) covering some of the same ground. Okay, she rambles quite a bit, but the difference in tone is what I find interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEukzaDdZSA

[MzAsh]

Better Bachelor seems kinda shitty. There are better men to follow. I wrote a mytake on it.

[DCooper]

How about this guy then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzOtA59lkjA

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I don't necessarily agree with the dude on gender roles, but I can see how some men prefer them and expect the same for conservative women.

I definitely agree that if guys did the same, it'd work differently. I already experimented with that on GAG once in some fun experiments, where I took some MyTakes beating down on men just like Tomi did, and the ONLY thing I did is switch words like "women" with "men" as well as use funny pictures in order to indicate satire, not hostility.

Didn't matter, as that girl, WowwGirl, came after me and so did her cult. WG sent me a message berating me and blocked me, all while claiming she knew what "STRONG" people are like. I suspect it was her that even got one of my satirical takes removed. Other users like her definitely exist on GAG and as Tomi proved, way beyond it too. The patterns are all too real.

The Way of The Strong Woman ↗
There's Really Only Two Types of Women ↗

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Oh shit didn't mean to mention that twice, my bad.

[MzAsh]

I have not heard of this YouTuber. I’ll check it out.

[DCooper]

That was kind of tongue in cheek, lol. He's not exactly into relationships.

[MzAsh]

I see lol

[DCooper]

You're a good soort!

[DCooper]

*sport* sorry, typing on the phone without my reading glasses

[RagnarRedbeard]

If a man were to go on a rant about women in the same way, as we've all seen plenty of, you'd mock him for being an incel. You'd tell him that he was the common denominator. That women are not bitches who hate nice guys, he's just not attractive to them and that's why he doesn't get the girls he wants.

This is the same thing in reverse. She just can't attract the kinds of guys she wants. She either needs to go for different men or figure that shit out - which she won't.

[MzAsh]

The problem is that usually she signals to anti-feminist men, but she seems to have expected them to care about what she has to say. They don’t care, even despite all her pandering to them. They still want her shut up and cook dinner and not say anything, but she’s been foolish enough to think that if she white knights for them that they’ll treat her well and they don’t.

[RagnarRedbeard]

I'm an anti-feminist man, so obviously I see it quite differently. I think you're making a few false assumptions and silly exaggerations there.

What it all comes down to is that she can't attract the kind of guy she wants. She doesn't know why, she doesn't want to understand why. She feels entitled, just like the incels/nice guys. That's perhaps the main reason she struggles.

[007kingifrit]

@MzAsh but like we keep telling you you're allowed to be anti feminist and have disagreements with men also

[MzAsh]

She’s simply inexperienced. Her strategy isn’t complementary to what she wants. I could help her find a good, loyal man who treats her with the respect and love that a man should treat the woman he cares about. I’ve had no issues with that, and that’s even with me being a nerdy girl from the Midwest. If I can do it, she can.

[RagnarRedbeard]

I don't think that would be possible. She likes right wing men, but aside from her looks she doesn't have the things right wing men look for in a woman. But she's also very entitled, so she doesn't really care what those men want either. That's why she fails. A lot of women who struggle do this, although I'm not saying many men don't either, where they simply do not care about what men want. It's "fuck what men want here are my demands". Doesn't work for men or women.

They also lie to themselves about their value. Nice guys say "women don't like me because I'm so nice" when really it's because they're boring and they have nothing going for them. Girls like her say "men can't handle me because I'm too strong and they're intimidated" when really it's because they're just annoying. It's more comforting to tell yourself that people reject you because you're too good for them and because you're somehow above them, rather than because they just don't think you're all that.

That's what I see anyway. The whole time, as others have said, I'm wondering why a man would put in the effort she wants them to put in. What does the man get in return? Right wing men don't give a shit about her career the way she thinks they should. If she's really heavily focused on career, as she is, it's more of a turn-off.

You're more liberal so I'm guessing you'd try to tell her to date different men, more liberal men, but they're the kinds of men she calls "pussified".

[MzAsh]

You’re right. Her narrow political opinions and her expectations to find a man that align with those same opinions, but who are also cool with her being a pro choice career woman with certain standards and demands is what is hurting her here. I would like to think it’s not impossible, but very difficult. She’d be better off taking a look at her politics and fully understanding what she actually believes in and why. She seems very indoctrinated into her right wing stances.

[JDavid25]

It's not like it's any different from what a feminist would say.. In fact she is blamin men just like a lot of feminist normally would.. I didn't see any panderin to men in that video.. More like blamin all guys for the actions of a few men.. Not that she is completely wrong really..

[MzAsh]

Of course she doesn’t in *that* video. But in most of her other videos, she does.

[JDavid25]

True but the orginal question was about the rant in the video specifically not her as a personality.. I don't really follow after her much.. Obviously if my first impression was the rant, then I would have assumed she wasn't a defender of men..

[Barbaric]

I don't pay much attention to her, but what I notice is that it's people who pander the most who also tend to get angry or bitter towards the opposite sex, because it doesn't really work. If all you're doing is pandering, that's usually because it's not the real you. You're only acting that way to curry favour. That's precisely why it doesn't work because people can sniff it out, or at the very least they feel like something's off. She does sound like a feminist because she is one really.

[JDavid25]

@Barbaric You are right.. I guess in the end she is what they would call a "pick me".. She wants to stroke men to gain favor.. But there is a difference between defending men, and panderin.. I don't know her much so I can't say much to whether she is doin it.. But yeah in that video she sounded like a feminist in most of it.. Except for the "pussification of men" part..

[IMainHanzo]

Facts

[007kingifrit]

your post is more about "haha someone who disagrees with me is angry" than any substance on the issue so its hard to have much to say as you are eager to make generalizations about both the girl and the anti feminist men

she might be having bad luck now and she also might have a point, modern society doesn't reward men for being men.

but i think its more interesting you attribute anti feminism to a "pick me" mentality. this is something i see out of sad feminists all the time who are bitter at other women for being more desirable

[MzAsh]

Should society reward men for being men? That highly depends on the behavior we’re talking about.

It doesn’t have to be hard for her to get a guy: she’s late 20s, cute, ambitious, has intelligence, etc. She’s just been looking at the wrong men.

[007kingifrit]

again your response is more about "i don't want the men whose ideas i don't like to be desirable" than anything else, and at that point you're really no different than them ironically

you're just bitterly looking for reasons why she shouldn't be an anti feminist and why anti feminist men shouldn't be desirable. You just want to convince yourself you're right

hell half the list of things you listed of why tomi "shouldn't" have trouble getting a guy have no value at all. why do i care if you're ambitious or not? men don't care about that, its just something feminists told you to say

[MzAsh]

She’s not the anti-feminist she wants to think she is. But she thought she could use that as her claim to a high value man, because that’s what she thinks those men want to hear, and it’s gotten her nowhere with then.

If you look at the male centric life coaches that are commenting on her on YouTube (Better Bachelor, Entrepreneurs in Cars) those men even prove that they don’t like how she’s using her voice. They want her to sit there, look pretty, cook him dinner, be quiet, and tolerate their bs. That’s what they want. They even say it.

[007kingifrit]

no she's anti feminist, its just that you don't understand that women can be anti feminist and angry at men all at the same time. you are a very simple low intelligence woman who is only capable of black and white us vs them thinking

men aren't living up to her standards right now, or she isn't aware of problems in herself. either way this has nothing to do with her views on feminism

the people responding to her videos are likewise entitled to be angry and this isn't something you can use as a "gotcha see they don't respect you because they disagreed with you"

this is more proof of your simplistic uneducated "us vs them black and white" attitude where if someone disagrees with you, you take it personally. i wonder if its even possible for someone to argue with you and you to feel respected all at once

[MzAsh]

Have you read the comments in the Facebook thread? No one is buying that she’s an anti-feminist. Watch Better Bachelor, Rich Cooper, Rollo Tomassi, Donovan Sharp... they all say she’s a feminist. But she tries to position herself as a trad con. But how trad con can a woman be who has a successful career and is all over social media? Trad con women don’t do that to begin with. Not even Lori Alexander is as trad as she likes to think she’s is.

Men aren’t living up to her standards only because she’s looking at the wrong men.

[007kingifrit]

your argument has devolved to a bandwagon fallacy, i don't care what the people in her comments are saying. this does not make it true

does she argue feminist points? believe feminist philosophy? no she doesn't she actively disagrees with these things

more importantly her disagreements with men? she probably blames that on feminism fucking them up

[MzAsh]

She’s a career woman, high on social media, pro choice, and calling men to man up. Anti feminist men are rejecting her. I’ll just leave it at that.

[007kingifrit]

nothing you just named has anything to do with feminism

[MzAsh]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that.

[007kingifrit]

no we won't agree to disagree, you are wrong and i am right

you can have a career and be against feminism, because you're not interested in the collective of women and if they have careers or not. you are an INDIVIDUAL and you don't care about women as a whole. which is very virtuous because only bad people think in terms of a collective group

[MzAsh]

You have your opinion. I have mine. The point is, she’s not having success with men because she though that pandering to low value, sexist men who value looks over ambition would do her justice it hasn’t. She’s learning the truth.

[007kingifrit]

no i have objective definitions and you don't

you can be a career women and not be in favor of other women having careers

and you don't know why she isn't having success with men, you only have the guesses you want

[MzAsh]

That sounds like bigotry to me. But i suppose that’s typical of what they call “trad thots” these days.

“Career women bad! Never mind the fact that I’m making bank off these ads and affiliates! Stay home and have babies and do nothing else.”

[VanillaSalt]

What’s wrong with that? Men busy their ass to provide. What’s wrong with a woman doing her part to take care of me... friend of mines in hard times. She’s a school bus driver and of corse has no income. So I gave her my spare and she agreed I don’t gotta do shit... she cleans she shops she cooks she washes... I cover costs. She complains I fail to see the bad deal... I even convert both our foods costs and do trash...

I’m convinced women can’t be happy...

[007kingifrit]

@VanillaSalt *feminists* can't be happy

normal women can be happy

[MzAsh]

If a woman really wants to do that, she should go for it. But it’s not going to be for everyone. My husband has impressed me with his loyalty. I finance myself.

[Juxtapose]

"If you look at the male centric life coaches that are commenting on her on YouTube (Better Bachelor, Entrepreneurs in Cars)" -MzAsh

Those guys bring up good points but they come across as men burnt out by shallow women. They henceforth judge most women as shallow as a coping mechanism when in reality..

People in *general* are shallow. A person just have to be patient in order to find deeper people.

[MzAsh]

They’re good examples of the men that high value, ambitious women should be avoiding. They avoid women like her too, because she’s ambitious and has a voice, and they can’t stand that.

[VanillaSalt]

If you have to spend the rest of your life stuck with someone possibly raising kids to be like them it makes sense to avoid what your not interested in... lmao it’s like women that don’t date men Under 6’... honestly if that’s who you want to be welcome to America you have that right... but you really can’t complain when people don’t like who you are...

I’ll say it majority of men like women that lean on them and give me a feeling of being needed. Meaning and purpose.

To sugar coat it less... that’s the way the world is get over it.

[MzAsh]

I understand that men want to feel needed and like they have a sense of purpose, but I don’t think that should mean that the woman has to be jobless and financially needy. Today that’s just too risky for the woman in most cases. A woman needs access to her own money and resources, even when she is married. I’m married but I still have several sources of income. I have things in my own name. I don’t get an allowance from him. But he still knows how he is needed and where his purpose is with me, and it’s not in being my provider because neither he or I really care for that arrangement. Maybe that’s just us.

[VanillaSalt]

Yes but your already doing it... so why do feminists have to fight for that right?

Let’s change this a little. MzAsh... what would you rate yourself 1-10 just on the basis of looks. This has a purpose.

[MzAsh]

I’d say I’m a 7.

[VanillaSalt]

When you look at men what number would you look for... after all women have pick of the litter they just gotta find a good one.

[VanillaSalt]

Based off everything height career vehicle looked attitude.

[MzAsh]

I’d ideally go for about the same as me, but I’ve had a history of dating lower value men as well simply because I judged that they had a good heart and were loyal which I value over looks, status, and money.

[VanillaSalt]

One last question. What’s the point of men getting gfs and married. What do women have to offer us men?

[MzAsh]

Well I know what women *can* offer. I know what I offer as well: loyalty, partnership, support, respect, trust, love, intimacy, fun, adventure, family, and great sex.

[VanillaSalt]

All great answers until you realize we only need half of them because of the relationship itself. Ide say the main ones you listed that stand out is partnership, support, respect, family, and arguably great sex lol.

The rest even some like respect and support we either don’t need or get from friends.

So I think we agree overall women have a majority of the power in confirming the relationship... so couldn’t we say the men women seem to go for are the ones they think they don’t want? This means men arnt the real problem but women not knowing what they want or specifically not being able to get what they want... standards in other wards?

I argue your happiness comes from your willingness to date down. A lot of women believe themselves to be worth more than they are. I enjoy our conv we have and don’t doubt your a high quality woman. But it seems like most women only date up.

Ide like to take this to dm. I’ve been interested in having this conv with a level headed woman for a while.

Is this system fair? Should it be? Who’s got it harder? Should the smaller side get more power to balance? I think these questions are why feminism exists like it does today.

[mindNsoul]

@007kingifrit I agree with you. I think you can be both. I think us vrs them mentality causes more damage than good for any cause or in any argument.

[IMainHanzo]

there's a huge misconception and dishonesty with a lot of things on the internet.

You're actually allowed to have opposing views but pick the best one that works for you. Its not a crazy idea to change your opinion when you find more information on a topic and its not crazy to like someone opposite of you.

Tomi Lauren's expectation of a man is her expectations not anyone else's🤷 which means other men's expectations of her swill also change from person to person.

The problem I personally have with is the overgeneralization of everything. Not all men are shut bags and not all women are queens. Some men are monsters and some women are straight up whores.

I personally think she's attractive overall but she's also not the type person I can be with because she's high profile and it wouldn't suit my lifestyle.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Just because she doesn't subscribe to feminist ideology, doesn't mean she's "pandering to men". If you were truly feminist you'd just be celebrating the fact that she's a woman voicing her own opinions. But apparently feminists don't really like female empowerment when it undermines their dogma. 🙄

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

For clarity : I'm not aware of this particular individual, nor do i particularly care. It's the framing of your presuppositions about her i take issue with.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

On second thought, I really don't have a horse in this race. I'm just bored and looking for someone to debate about something lol😅

[MzAsh]

She does subscribe to feminist ideology in some respects, but not in other respects. However, that’s also true for most women, including myself. But she denies being a feminist completely, and it’s my personal theory that she’s been using anti-feminist labels to virtue signal to men, albeit the wrong type of man for what’s she’s looking for, it appears.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Oh, that's interesting. 🤔

Virtue signalling in any form is cringey-- be it feminist, or anti-feminist, or whatever. It sounds kinda like the "gamer girls" on twitch who pretend to like videogame culture but are actually just selling a virtual "girlfriend experience".

If someone calls themselves anti-feminist, they should be consistent with that in their actions, and not just use it as a label to pander to a certain crowd.

[MzAsh]

Yes, I agree.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

I think it's a mistaken assumption to attach this to her politics. Women say this shit all the time. Just because she has different politics than you, doesn't mean she's any more or less retarded in this respect than the feminist angle.

So to disentangle this confusion: she sucks and so do feminists. Both can be true.

[MzAsh]

I think she sucks too, but not all for the same reasons her followers think she does.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Okay, cool beans, but based on your characterization of her in the question I think your perspective of her is as flawed as her message to men was.

[MzAsh]

My perception of her might be, but I believe my perception of what it takes to land a good man and be in a good relationship is solid.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

How does it differ from her assertion of what that is?

[MzAsh]

According to her video, while her frustrations are valid and understandable, she seems out of touch with how the sexual and relationship market place works and where her place is in it. She said she’s tired of dealing with guys who don’t make plans but doesn’t seem realize that has more to deal with her over-tolerance of giving those men her time. She’s “tired of dealing with” them when she shouldn’t be dealing with them... at all. All she has to do is make it clear with her actions to those men in particular that she doesn’t date men who don’t make plans. Instead, she made a video yelling at an audience of men over the world. She just doesn’t understand how to properly command what she wants out of men. If she did, she’d already be married at her age and wouldn’t find any need to create and publish such a video that she did.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Having heard out your explanation, I have to fall back to you being every bit as bad as her, sorry. The only difference seems to be in terms of intensity.

[MzAsh]

No the difference is that I was already married for 5 years at her age.

[IMainHanzo]

Facts

[AllThatSweetJazz]

That just makes it sound you're out of touch. After getting lucky early on, you've been unplugged from this aspect of life longer than you were in it.

[loveslongnails]

Speaking of sucking, she probably gets more of the old comment " she'd sound better with a dick in her mouth" than Ann Coulter. LOL

[Ingeni]

She's playing the game wrong and just realized it and she doesn't want to let go. Its a shame and it shows even if you are smart, pretty, and have money, if your personality is seen as bitchy to men of high value, you're not getting a high value man for long, let alone marrying one.

[scorpy04]

That's very judgmental and stereo typing Not all men follow such a pattern of behavior There are sat in sites for that sort of thing known as Bdsm where women intelligent women register for a Dom or Master Whet they at punished for not conforming to the order that they have been set This is not against the woman mindset its what they expect It's not about hating woman it's more exotic and sensual Men can look for the exact thing where woman is the Domme If the relationship isn't right don't bang on about it just get out

[_SOARER]

She isn't right wing though. That's the whole point. No right wing guy wants some career woman who is 30 and has screwed a bunch of guys at Fox News for her million dollar contract haha

She is a total feminist. She just is pretty. That's it.

I would rather be with that "18 year old Thotiana" she mentioned in her rant than her.

[MzAsh]

That’s exactly my point. Thank you.

[_SOARER]

I would disagree with the update about her expectations being reasonable.
She wants a Tom Brady who is wealthy and famous and let's her continue her career.

If she wanted to settle down and have children she would get a lot more high quality men. But she doesn't. It's why she seeks these wealthy career type dudes. Who use her for a bit and stop responding.
She is not wifey material

[MzAsh]

She can have a career and be a wife and she needs to find a man without the ego about that.

[_SOARER]

She isn't gonna marry the guy she wants with her present attitude
It's not an ego thing. It's a common sense thing
Time dedicated to a career= less time dedicated to a family

[MzAsh]

Her mindset definitely needs to change and her taste in men probably too. It’s easy to find a guy who’s hot and rich, but that doesn’t ensure he’s a good person. Her ex fiancé seemed like a good guy who was loyal. I don’t know what happened there but then again, I don’t know him personally.

If she’s working 80 hours a week or more then yeah, that’s going to cut into the relationship, but I’d say that the same goes for the man too. But there’s no reason why a woman working 40-50 hours a week can’t find time for her man. I do it.

[_SOARER]

Yeah I think she needs to stop pretending to be conservative
She is marketing herself like someone she is not and guys realize that
If she was open and honest about her needs and vision she would attract the right person

It's like when she said she was pro-choice but quickly had to to damage control and change course

[MzAsh]

Yeah and that’s more about what my original point was too. Some people were saying then that her political views don’t have anything to do with this, and I got to thinking maybe I just worded my post poorly so the message was lost but it seems you get the idea and have put it into other words. Socially, she doesn’t seem all that conservative. If she’s marketing herself as a conservative, that’s what men think they’re getting, a conservative lady. She’s more of a take charge women empowerment champion, at least here she is. She need someone who is aligned well with her being that way.

[_SOARER]

Well said ❤

[Anonymous]

I think she's overvaluing her pussy. I'm not going to put up with a Whiny Bitch who lectures me on Facebook like she's doing. She's off my Dating List, or else she's a Cheap Fuck. Yes, she had her fun on the Cock Carousel and getting off. Now she's ready to settle down wants guys to do as she commands. Sorry bitch, I don't work like that. As a male, this isn't attractive. I don't even think she's a News Journalist. She's a pretty piece of meat posing as a News Journalist. She's a 1 out of 10 when it comes to News Journalism. She also says she's suppose to be a conservative, but she's not. She's Pro-Life and that easily makes her not a conservative.

[Opinion Owner]

I meant Pro-Choice.

[MzAsh]

Your view of her is common, which is why I say she’s been going about her sexual selection all wrong. She’ll do much better with men of different views that align more with hers.

[Liam_Hayden]

Yup. She wants guys to value her and her like our great grandfathers valued their faithful virgin brides.

[Liam_Hayden]

her and her friends

[jkm1864]

She's single and frustrated because She wants the bad boys to become loyal husbands. I'll tell You a little known fact the majority of women are attracted to a minority of the men. The men whom can't find love work their asses off so they can improve their chances of finding love and it's been this way since the beginning of time. Now those men whom have no problems finding love have no reason to better themselves so that's why they have no ambition.

[blank_expression]

You once posted a photo of yourself on here and I remember, besides a snake around your neck, that you had a male jaw and a low 2D:4D ratio, both indicative of high testosterone womb development, assuming you were born. Lol So I understand why you are the way you are. I have a few similar feminists ex-s in my past. While I don’t ascribe to the extreme righties, I do support the most extreme of them because it takes extreme to counter balance extreme lefties. She isn’t far off however.

[MzAsh]

No woman is 100% feminine. Most will play up their feminine characteristics in order to get with a man.

[blank_expression]

Agree on that.. there is always a mix.

[Agnes1987]

I don't why you seem to see why the guys she wants are wrong and not see how wrong she is. She is al about traditional roles that feminist are trying to change. She want a guy that is not dating around, but to be honest every body has the right to that as long as he/she are clear about it. Some women and some feminist do it themselves and are in their right as long as they are clear about it. Then she want men to "make plan". If she wants to see more the men she is interested in, why she doesn't she makes some plans, invite to dinner and what not? If you are only going to wait to be seduces, well thats what's gonna happen. I don't see women stepping up into change the gender roles that need to be change when they don't feel comfortable about it. But you need to do it. Blue knights are over, we all need to respect all of us, but that means is now time for you too to become the pressures.

[MzAsh]

She clearly wants the man to make a plan. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Half the problem I’m seeing is that for one, the guy isn’t clear about what his intentions are and two, she’s going after the wrong type of guy for what she wants.

[Agnes1987]

Both need to make the plans. That is not the job of any gender in specific. She also said there is "high quality women" and implies it has something to do with career success (classism). Also wants guy to show up, but she seem zero compressive with men. I you are not being text enough from your partner, if you are not having enough time together, either you move on and don't complain or try to find common ground. This are problems that would shoe up regardless of gender. She wants a committed man, but has she look at her faults? like you say, who she desires, what she is expecting? has she ever thought if Is valid what she is asking? seems to me she does not want to understand that to build up takes time and effort from both ends.

[Anonymous]

It has more to do with the circles she travels in. She's in media and certain types flock to media. Even if she claims to find these types everywhere, it's much more likely they find each other. Just because she projects certain beliefs or ideals, doesn't mean she lives them. You think because of her appearance and supposed beliefs she is ideal? The video makes it clear what she actually believes and it isn't much different from an angry feminist. Just like you she assumes the problem is men, but relationships involve two parties. Granted there are some idiots out there, but if all you ever find is them, then you've got to question your filter.