Do you support gay marriage and trans sexuality?

[PrettyRegular]

I'm personally quite in the middle, I think there's reasons to question both of those things, but in the same time personal freedom is a good thing (if a person is capable of doing big choices himself, which could be questioned about trans people). These things came up when I talked with couple left wing girls last weekend. They thought that I'm an extremist for not supporting those things 100% and I should be quiet about those opinions, or "I might get hurt by someone". So in their opinion mild conservatism is extremism. That really shows how bad the political polarisation, especially of the young left has got. I'm glad I'm an objective person, so wouldn't happen to me in one way, or the other.

[BCA6010]

Those are two very different subjects that shouldn't be affiliated with one another when it comes to policy.

I don't care what people do in the bedroom, or in their private lives as long as it's consensual, and I don't have to hear about it. To that end, sure, let the homosexuals get married and recognized by the state.

Transsexuality is a completely different beast; you're talking about a severe psychological issue, namely the single most suicide-prone demographic in the world. A heavily suppressed fact regarding it is that even post-surgery/treatment, the suicide rate doesn't drop. This means that the "treatment" is ineffective, and it needs to be reassessed from a mental health standpoint. Unfortunately, there are very few governments in the world that are willing to do that, because it's a convenient political cudgel especially in the western nations. Outside of those places, there's basically zero tolerance for it.

[Celtero]

As a legal institution? Yes, everyone should be equal under the law... but marriage is traditionally a more religious institution, and forcing the legalization of gay marriage upon religious folk seems wrong to me. It'd be like using the legal system to force muslims to eat pork.

Marriage is an outdated contract for secular people, and marriage should not be a thing for people who aren't religious. Oh, and I'm an atheist by the way, in case you were wondering.

The whole realm of trans is pretty damn stupid. From what I've seen they're just people who are very confused and are walking contradictions. "Gender is a social construct, quick, now turn my penis inside-out so I can be a woman."

[Mia-Wallace]

I'm too busy with my life to say I actively support any of those groups. But I guess I'm not against them and that's probably enough.

I do find the "supportive people" who act like religious nuts of the middle ages when there's an argument about LGBT quite annoying and unworthy to talk to. But then again, I find most people who believe things religiously unworthy to talk to.

[RemoErdosain]

I agree with everything you said

[DizzyDesii]

I dont support people wanting to date the same sex in general but im not going to try talking them out of it either unless its someone in my household. If they marry, its whatever. I still dont support it but im not gonna vote against it. I also dont support people crossdressing or changing their gender. Its weird but whatever, do your thing ig

[Paul09]

Might be weird, but none of your business. Even if it was your own sibling. People just get angry at the most useless things to get angry about.

[DizzyDesii]

@Paul09 i didn't say i was angry. I said i dont support it. Next time reread before you come at me

[Paul09]

You said unless it was a family member, you'd talk to them about it. What is there to talk about? They are who they are.

[DizzyDesii]

@Paul09 thats not who they are. People get confused all the time. You believe what you want and vice versa. Have a nice day sir. I have nothing more to say on the matter

[Paul09]

How do you know? You are them? You can't think for others. Especially if they are born this way. Just saying educate yourself more on these types of people. You are allowed not to get it. But honestly what harm does it do to anyone? Thank you and you gave yourself a nice day too.

[TooDrunk4Sex]

im in favor of taking da government outta da marriage including for da heteros. dont see much good coming out of da legal contracts. once dat stuff is outta da way, i dont see why it needs to be things that politicians gotta be talking bout. it becomes a private affair between 2 or more people and their church or organization or whatev

[jshm2]

You're confused.

You don't "care" about the issue and thus don't participate in giving them any rent free space in your head. As opposed to those who feel it is a "right" to be dealt with. Despite the fact racism, sexism, fascism and many other isms aren't close to being resolved.

Yet here we are dealing with people who think they are something other than what they genetically are.

[KatherineJ]

I follow the motto Live and Let Live. If a gay couple wants to get married, let them get married. If a trans person wants to become who they believe they are, let them.

[joeldalton]

You have to be more specific on the latter. I support the right of two gay people to get into a legal contract we refer to as 'marriage'. But I don't really think that's up to the government to regulate, anyway.

[Anonymous]

I don't care about marriage it's just a business do whatever.

I don't care about Jesus or whatever


I don't like like gays or trans I think they are nasty and abominations. But if we gonna keep them then yeah sure

[Paul09]

Nasty and abominations? Dam so what does that make you? And giant stink hole?

[roastbeef]

My beleif marrage is between a man and a woman not of the same sex. If it was meant to be we be like earthworms having both sex.

[RolandCuthbert]

Again dude.

You live in Finland.

You might want to consider moving to Russia.

Gays don't fare so well there.

[PrettyRegular]

I want gays to do well. Gay marriage is not gays versus others issue. It's a conservative against progressive issue. For example I know only one gay couple and they oppose it, because they have conservative values.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nah, that actually has nothing to do with classic conservatism. Conservatives, traditionally didn't care about who gays marry. The issue for conservatives was always about changing laws and looking for government remedies at the federal level. But that was strictly an American issue. Not a Finnish one.

And the thing is. . . you claim to be Finnish. . . but you are arguing not on behalf of conservatism. . . you are arguing on behalf of trumpism.

[PrettyRegular]

These issues are non related to Trump. I've spoke for Trump, because I agree about a lot of things with him and he got me interested about what's going on with the US politics.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, you are not arguing on behalf of any issue in Finland. You are arguing about issues within the United States. We are not a socialized democracy like Finland. Your country is run by Social Democrats. It isn't a debate there. Your country has moved on. If you don't like your country then move to another one. But stop pretending like you are having some kind of cross country or cross cultural debate.

You are not.

The politics of Finland and America are too different types of politics.

[PrettyRegular]

Not all here are socialists and I think the average views on these two subjects are here about the same as in the USA. We have a right wing/conservatives and the woke left (which I sadly met) and people between.

[RolandCuthbert]

I am not here to argue about what most Finnish are. That is a matter of record. But we know why the politics of Finland are different than the politics of America.

It is simply because you lack the concept of race. Race is not a factor in your society, therefore you never feel like you are giving your money to another "group".

And your position isn't about those programs, right? Those programs are fine with you. The point you are arguing is about the acceptance of gays or trans folks which you interpret as being liberal.

[Kiss_Me]

Research how Nazis created the Hitler youth. The similarities you see in the left wing university student is shocking.

[RemoErdosain]

I'd be interested in knowing about how the Nazis created the Hitler youth. Do you have any book on that topic that you can recommend?

[Massageman]

God made two sexes, male and female. And the first two people on earth were NOT Adam and Bruce.

[Paul09]

And man created god.. Baaaaa

[Massageman]

@Paul09 Man created God. Thanks - I needed a laugh today!

[Paul09]

Yup! It is funny how gullible people are. But the herd will aways follow.

[Paul09]

I support for people to do wtf they want. As long as it's not harming anyone. That said, I'm not religious, and don't care much for marriages. Seems to be the religious type, or mindless people that hates the idea.

[Kaneki05]

Does it hurt anyone? Nope. Therefore i support it fully.
Wasn't hard logic to follow really.

[pigoat]

Gay? Trans?

Yeah um I don't know these people

[PrettyRegular]

The first one only likes it's own gender and the second one likes the opposite gender so badly it wants to become that. 😂

[ManHater]

Don't even try to talk politics with women. Women don't know what they want.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Really don't give a fuck. Live and let live.

[ProLife]

I do not support such thing.

[Badenwurttemberg]

No way

[Virgo31]

I support it

[Agape93]

Yeap

[ColHathi]

Yep.

[nerdybutlazy]

Yes I do