Should Pepsi promote a "be less black" training?

[Anonymous]

Coke developed a "be less white training"...

https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/

They ended the training...

Should Pepsi promote a "be less black" training as well, to narrow the cultural gap?

"be more respectful of law enforcement"
"use proper English or Spanish instead of slang"
"no more gangsta rap thinking".
"be professional - wear your pants at your waist"
"listen - get an education and career"
"believe - it's your country too"
"break with black only thinking - were all in this together, and there is no black and white"
"build your family - fathers are important as are mothers"
"Say no to drugs and drug dealing"
etc..

yes

no

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+1 y

maybe... "be a better citizen" and remove race altogether. might go better.

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+1 y

Many good answers. Hard to pick a mho

[WhiteSteve]

I can agree that “be less white” is very poor wording. But the details bulletpointed after that header I think is pretty fair, those are all real and serious issues that a lot of white people seem to be very unaware that their contributing to. I don’t think it’s asking too much of white folks to maybe take a hard look in the mirror at ourselves and listening to what people of color and other minorities are trying to tell us. These people aren’t trying to control us, they’re asking us to finally make an earnest effort to understand their hardships and to maybe do our part to make things better. Telling them their perceptions of their own experiences aren’t valid, are made up, or exaggerated, that’s just fucked up to do to any human that’s trying to approach you honestly with an issue. Some people are going to be angry due to their life experiences, they might be the bad examples who take things too far, but you can’t let that dilute the overall message. My girlfriend is Latina, we’ve had very personal and honest conversations about race, our experiences, and I’ve learned a lot from talking with her. Most of it is stuff that would have never occurred to me in a million years as a white dude. And you feel terrible when it dawns on you. I don’t mean that like “white guilt”, I just mean as humans, how can we be so blind and uncaring to others where we’re missing something that’s sometimes blatantly obvious, and the subtleties get dismissed by the white majority as them being too sensitive or some other shitty response. For the first time we’re seeing white people being told “tough break” when it comes to their feelings about their role in race relations, and it doesn’t feel great, does it? There are things I feel immediately “shut down” about too, but crying about that after everyone else has dealt with that and worse as their standard for pretty much all of history, it’s pretty fucking silly to get worked up about. Straight white dudes aren’t getting put into concentration camps, we’ll be fine. But it’s just wild to see the instantaneous reaction from white people the second things start to go even a little bit not their way, even the mere suggestion that there could be a problem, after everything every other demographic has had to deal with pretty much forever.

[WhiteSteve]

*That they’re contributing to

[Asker]

Well said.. esp the first half... agree w lot of the thinking. You are beimg very considerate of their perspective without reacting too negatively to the title. One of the more balanced thinkers.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

This is perfection.

[eric8301]

AN entire paragraph on nonsense. You just approved of judging people by their race; while pushing the idea of not judging people by their race. You are an idiot. White people shouldn't complain about open hostility against them white privilege, be less white, open discrimination at work because why? Something bad happened in the past? White people are just fine just DO NOT GOOGLE South African Farm murders!

[eric8301]

Well said? This was a rambling, incoherent paragraph essentially saying yes there is open discrimination against whites buts it's justified because white people are bad, bad things happened in the history and white people are not yet in concentration camps... what? So can we say the same about black men too? YOu're a dummy.

[WhiteSteve]

Take a breath, man, you’re all fired up. Firstly, I’m speaking specifically to the racial dynamics in the USA. Racism is a problem around the world, even in places with few to no white people, and I don’t believe anyone is above being prejudiced. I’m not trying to make this all about “white people are evil, everyone else is good.” Whatever happened in South Africa, I’m sure it was horrible, but it’s not relevant to American society.

It’s not as simple as “welp, we freed the slaves, guess it’s all even now.” The slaves got freed, and then it took A HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS to even give them equal rights, arguably just on paper. In that same hundred years, we went from horse-drawn carriages and an infantile railroad system to cars and planes and fucking spaceships. Candles to electric lights. Telephones. Televisions. The list goes on and on. And it took that same hundred years, probably four or five generations of people, to go from probably the most egregiously dehumanizing practice in history to simply allowing black folks to use the same bathrooms and attend the same schools as white people. So whether that was right or wrong in the relative sense where you could maybe try to spin that as exponential progress from Point A to Point B, you can’t lose sight of the the fact that Point A should never have happened, and Point B shouldn’t have even been a question.

[WhiteSteve]

@eric8301 And it’s just evidence that this clearly isn’t an overnight process, which needs to be accounted for, but we can’t forget that this absolutely SHOULD be able to be an overnight process. It should be so fucking simple to say “I’m a person, that’s a person, we look different, but we deserve the same treatment and to have the same unconscious assumptions made about us.” And that’s what’s not happening. And white people can find themselves on the wrong end of it, I’m not even saying it’s wrong, I’m just saying that, at least in America, it’s different. It’s just not the same because there’s no power dynamic held over us.

So it’s fine to be individually offended if a black person were to act prejudiced towards you. That’s normal. But when you walk away from that interaction, it just doesn’t make you feel quite the same way. I will always walk away subconsciously knowing that I’m a white dude in America, so it’s all good and there’s a majority white society that will welcome me with open arms. You don’t have that safety net as a minority. We’re really being asked to be more considerate of their individual emotions and psychological responses. I know “logic over feelings” is the standard tough guy response, but that’s just not the way humans operate, we respond emotionally to things, even those of us putting up a front that we aren’t.

[WhiteSteve]

@eric8301 My Latina girlfriend isn’t having a cross burned on her lawn, she’s not being aggressively harassed. But how do you think she feels overhearing her white neighbors talking about how they aren’t doing trick or treating because Puerto Rican men were showing up to the door. Oh man, that’s weird, an adult just by themselves, right? Nope. The other neighbor said “by themselves?” And the woman is like, “no, they have kids...” Uhhhhh, so what the fuck is the problem then? Then being good fathers? Or is it because you have some weird irrational fear of brown people. And that same lady would probably say “I’m not racist at all!” And that’s the exact kind of bullshit that we’re trying to end. It’s creates a very uncomfortable climate for people who are simply fellow Americans to just live their lives. And maybe you don’t even realize you’re doing something, and that’s fine and understandable. But fucking LISTEN when they talk and stop thinking it’s some angle created to take down the white man. They’re just saying “Yo... that’s kind of got dickhead undertones that offend me, could you maybe stop being an asshole?” I’ll never understand why that’s a problem.

[WhiteSteve]

@eric8301 * And white people can find themselves on the wrong end of it, I’m not even saying it’s NOT wrong

[MCheetah]

"Be less white training?" Really? This kind of blatant racist horseshit really pisses me off! I'm so sick of the far-left shit! I'm not even white, but this shit is so disgusting, hateful, and wrong! How the FUCK can an HR program get away with literal racism?

And no, more asshole racism isn't needed! Don't be like them if you don't like what they're doing. Don't use their shitty behavior "as an excuse" to be a racist piece of shit yourself (this applies to anyone, not specifically OP). Don't be like miss pink
Anon, age 25-29 spewing racist bullshit, then acting like "she's oppressed" while she gets to verbally insult and berate "her oppressors." People like her make me sick, and people like this HR firm make me sick.

I hope they form a class-action lawsuit and sue the fuck out of Coca Cola. I rarely ever drink soda to begin with but this would be enough to make me boycott Coca Cola, and like I said, I'm not even white.

[Asker]

100% agree. Whats scary is this thinking got as far as it did in huge corp.

[Virgo31]

I mean the be less white name is crap. Whoever’s idea was that, they should be fired. But that doesn’t mean the points aren’t there. BUT ALL THE CRAP YOU LISTED AS BE LESS BLACK IS RACIST!!!
“Should Pepsi promote a "be less black" training as well, to narrow the cultural gap?

"be more respectful of law enforcement"
"use proper English or Spanish instead of slang"
"no more gangsta rap thinking".
"be professional - wear your pants at your waist"
"listen - get an education and career"
"believe - it's your country too"
"break with black only thinking - were all in this together, and there is no black and white"
"build your family - fathers are important as are mothers"
"Say no to drugs and drug dealing"
etc..”
You thinking that all black people do this makes you just as bad as Coca Cola and that presentation.

[Asker]

Agree. not all of some color are anything. Take the labels off... its just asking people to live to a given standard.

[Jayla2000]

See.

I was gonna speak on how wrong the training is because it's obvious all white people are not oppressive and it is sad to take things that a small portion of white people do and group all white people in is wrong and disgusting, but u turned around like a racist idiot and did the exact same thing that u found racist.

But we all know most racists are stupid af anyways so not surprising.

[Asker]

I agree with you... racism is like the definition of stupid. Its very simple thinking. Better to think about culture. If flip things over.. helps to see the error in it. Just drop race... much better.

[eric8301]

She did that to prove a point. Funny Coca Cola, a major company ACTUALY did this for real to their employees but you're more mad at a random person on the internet. Hmmm it's clear to see how you really feel. You don't give a f*** if the shoes on the other foot only if it effects your group. You are a piece of shit.

[Anonymous]

You’re obviously triggered lol, tell me, why did you jump all the way to “be less black”? You could’ve broadened your opinion to include other races, but instead you honed in on one. Why? Because you chose to take a diversity training seminar, and turn it into a racial attack from blacks against whites. That’s the problem for a lot of you folks, you want to be oppressed so much when you simply aren’t. On top of that, you just sound ignorant and mad. Every bullet point you listed as ways to be “less black” are completely stereotypical, tactless and basically just you trying to be a dick.

[Asker]

more shocked at the racism... it is disgusting, so pointing it out. Goes both ways, of course. someday, we'll stop talking color and talk character. there is no white and black... that's the stupidity of it.

yes they. some people have nothing and dig out of garbage cans. Some people have massive yachts and live the life others dream of. color... is not so relevant.

The "be less black" are great values promotion... if we remove the "black" and replace it with..."American"..." or be a better human. there... that's better!

[Opinion Owner]

But it’s not racist. These are problematic traits that a lot of white people tend to have and creating a toxic work environment. That’s why Coca Cola had the seminar for their employees, to address this problem.

[Asker]

How can that not be racist when it defines race in it? Do you truly believe only white people have these issues, and too many of them? I don't, but maybe I'm missing something. I think we all have issues, some this... some that. Do you think it help to stop talking color and speak to general behavior traits, or does that lose sight of the issue?
Chinese people, Jewish, Indian (from india) aren't getting beatup like "black" feel. To me... they aren't "white". They are cultures. Some of them are damn arrogant, etc.. some aren't.
Point is... we gotta stop the black/white viewpoint. What would you think of that?

[Asker]

there are some elements of the training I agree with, just labeling it on white people is what's wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

I definitely don’t think that only white people are problematic, because that simply isn’t true. However, with all of the racial tension this past year, it’s mostly coming from whites, the only thing difference now is that people are calling it out.

[Asker]

Do u mean the white people killing blacks... thats the cause?

[MCheetah]

You can't act like a racist piece of shit and then claim to be the victim of "white people." Piss the fuck off, lady.

[Opinion Owner]

@mcheetah lmaoooo be mad at Coca Cola, not me😂

[TOTEMPLASTER]

Your list of "Do's" is impressive and worth supporting but if Pepsi tried to promote those goals every SJW, BLM thug, Democrat politician, loons of the MSM, talking heads, and late night host would be screaming "RACISM, RACIST". Nothing drives leftists crazy like the Truth loudly spoken.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

This is as dumb as the be less white thing. It all comes down to delivery. I don't next disagree with all of the be leas white campaign, but I definitely think it needs a new name. It's taking away from some of the valid points made.

[Asker]

100% agree.

[eric8301]

WHat do you agree with on the be less white campgan?

[Anonymous]

Are you suggesting that the power to improve the black community is in their own hands? How absurd? You sir are a... (drum roll) "racist".

Who do you think you are to suggest that a father sticks around and doesn't leave his children to the mother alone to raise? Or that people shouldn't be in gangs dealing drugs? Or that simple and basic respect and compliance to a police officer would go a very long way in not catching a bullet for resisting a legal arrest?

People are not ready for this conversation they are still obsessing over slavery, something that ended 200 years ago and the last slaver is dead and burried. Tearing down a statue is more important than getting an education for certain communities

[Anonymous]

Hahahhahha😂i wish they just make a training and call it be less of an asshole. Why call it be less black or white?

[Asker]

1000% agree. I'd buy the stock if they did that.

[Hydra6544]

I wish they would call it how to be a normal human being.

[pervertedjester]

Just look at the amazing mastery by Disney with the often forgotten force Shrink ability... Finn...

I think Disney runs that course...

[Asker]

hugh?

[pervertedjester]

variety.com/.../

[NamerOfStars]

Coke didn't develop it, they just blindly adopted it, probably figuring that if it comes from a reputable source, it's NOT horribly racist. Still stupid, but in a lazy way rather than a bigoted one. Pepsi could probably do worse than to push a "celebrate our common humanity" campaign, but I doubt they'll have time to mobilize before this gets memory-holed.

I mean, what does race have to do with selling soda, anyway?

[jshm2]

Nope. They should promote "be less sellout hispanic" training.

We know the Hispanics like to pander to Whites, while pretending to sympathise with the Blacks.

Just like Pepsi pretends to be cola, when we know it's really just sugared blackseed water, pretending to be like Coke.

[jasco]

No one is gonna listen to that, also there more than likely gonna lose a lot of business if they do that to

[Asker]

Why would noone listen? What id michael jordan promoted it?

[jasco]

Because people would get offended, if a black person said that I don't know ik some would listen but who knows. Depends on how he worded it

[Asker]

in your view, would most black people only listen to black people at this point? I found myself listening to my teachers no matter the color... whoever spoke the most wisdom. I listen to those who I like how they communicate and what they say. example being, Thomas Sowell. He makes sense. But not everyones perspective is the same, I get that.

[jasco]

I don't listen to someone base off of color, reason why is because not all black people make sense so i try to figure out what someone says even if there from another race however some black people aren;t like that

[Hydra6544]

If you combine Coke’s and this list you have the ways to be a better human being.

[Asker]

Exactly. The content isn't bad. Its the finger pointing based upon color. Well done!

[okeydoke]

The racist stereotypes you hold are pretty clear in what you just expressed.

[Asker]

True. could map most of those over some "white" cultures as well, and some black people... not at all. The white/black thing is BS, sooner we get past it the better.

[Alpha09]

No. They shouldn't have promoted the first one to begin with. They tried and missed completely.

[DragonXR]

The goal of those training courses is to create more racial divide , by the people who believe they aren't racist.

[Anonymous]

Sigh. I wonder if these people lost their minds all at once or whether it was a gradual thing.

[OddBeMe]

why does this bother white people so much?

[Asker]

Id like you to ask this question on gag so people can answer. My answer is... its blatently wrong... false and racist. I accept some of the content to be a better person. But the title is all wrong and narrow minded.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah I agree its not great marketing. But whites have it so much better, why bother getting mad at this?

[Asker]

don't buy that, maybe by %'s and how they feel. those whove followed the social rules and got educated are ok, those who haven't, didn't have support... haven't. they are eating out of trash cans. I've seen very poor white people who fell in misfortune. I accept awareness of how people feel though at minimum.

[OddBeMe]

I get you... but statistics is what I’m looking at. Not “what you’ve seen lately”.

[GearsofHalo117]

It would be a fair thing to do!
For equality and all that!

[EmperorRetribution]

Its only fair
considering they want people to be less White

[Alexa703]

I guess I’m a spirit girl anyways.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it would promote diversity.

[Anonymous]

Yes. The black supremacy shit needs to end.

[Hanoi_Jane00]

Only in America

[Iron_Man]

No Black Lives Matter Enough of that already

[Anonymous]

Sure. If that will stop you being less white.

[Asker]

brain can't process the logic. Sounds like a yes though.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm fucking with bro. How about be a good person that should have been their logo or model.

Make me think these people don't interact with other races.
I like my country white friend and my valley white friends.

People are people. Dont make it weird

[Asker]

concur! "be a better human".

[Opinion Owner]

Whatever happens to be a nice person. Or treat people nicely.

Of they would said that nobody would complained.

[ChefPapiChulo]

That’s really racist.

[Angel_Pine]

No, Pepsi should just stop being racist

[pigoat]

Rofl

[Anonymous]

Yes.