Swedish Pro-Refugee Green Party Politician who fought for Open Borders is beheaded in the Democratic Republic of the Congo? Thoughts?

[Physics-Man]

• https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/24/un-experts-killed-congo-video-michael-sharp-zaida-catalan
• https://www.westernjournal.com/open-border-loving-beheaded/
• https://www.theissue.com/politics/meanwhile-in-sweden-pro-open-borders-green-party-politician-beheaded-in-congo-video
• https://www.truthandaction.org/open-border-politician-found-beheaded-in-the-congo/?amp
• https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/03/12/dr-congo-probe-state-role-un-experts-murder-0#
• https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1A32HZ

[zeitgeist057]

There's all sorts out there. I traveled through Yemen during a time when Al Queda was chopping Americans heads off and I met a ton of really amazing and nice Yemeni people. I don't think that these small extremist groups represent the entire population, but they are the ones that are going to make the headlines because the nature of news is to show you the worst, the most disturbing news, even if it's a one in a million case. they aren't trying to show you what is common, they are showing you the uncommon and what will sell and improve their ratings.

I think that's great she did such work, and unfortunate that she was beheaded by some shitheads. But I don't think any greater message should be taken from that like we shouldn't help people in need because shitheads exist.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Some people just have to learn the hard way with tears and pain. I was one of those people when younger.

In this lady case she leaned the hard literally losing her head for being around savages who have zero understanding what a civilized society looks like.

[jennifer_bloom]

It might have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with money or sexual fetishization of white people. I know a white woman who was harassed during a missionary trip to a third world country. She was 16 and men in their 30s or older wanted to rape her because they had not seen a white person in years.

[Agape93]

Who the fuck goes there and expects to live?

[razelove]

She should have had a gun, vest, and armed security detail. Also those kids need anti-parasite drugs and food looking at that pot-belly, not a peace and love tour. It's tough to mass produce drugs under Green parties.

Anyway, that happens, travel to dangerous, impoverished areas enough times relying on hope and goodwill rather than trusting in steel, especially if you won't pay bribes, it has a negative health impact.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Not surprising. People in the west think that the rest of the world is as civilized and forgiving and kind and safe as their nations are and that is simply not the truth. When your entire system is broken, your starving and dying from disease and your system is so corrupt that you have to bribe police to actually do their job, your going to have a violent society. Couple that with some of the more insane things believed by these groups and its going to end poorly for you.

[EternallyCorrect]

I have zero sympathy. How many Swedish people have been harmed as a result of the things people like her push? Sweden is said to be "the rape capital of Europe".

[Soteris]

Oh you done fucked up now son! I love it when people pull out the "Rape capita of Europe/world" card, it lets me use the countless years I have spent smacking people on the internet for being dumb again.

To make a long story short (and believe me I can literally talk about this for months and I got the message logs to prove it), the reason Sweden has such high recorded rape is partially because rape is legal term defined by local laws and partially because rape is one of the most under reported crimes in every country around the world.

To start with the legal definition, Rape is a legal definition which means what constitutes as rape is different between every single country. This is important especially in the case of Sweden because they at one point decided to instead of doing the hard part of rewriting the law to give harsher punishment they would instead re-classify other forms of sexual harassment and assault as rape and thereby give harsher punishment that way. Furthermore they decided that every instance of rape is to be recorded separately which means if a husband forced himself on his wife for every day in one year that would be recorded as 365 separate cases of rape in the statistics you compare with other countries.

[Soteris]

As for Rape being under reported, that means most rapes are never brought to the police and as such recorded into statistics. If your country started to actually attempt to stop rapes the first step would obviously have victims come forward and notify the police in the first place. In fact its estimated that only around 16% of actual rapes ever gets reported to the police so if you recorded all of them that would mean the number would be around 6 times as large without there actually being any more actual rapes.

So yeah. "Sweden is the rape capital of Europe" however that is a fucking badge of pride in this case because its direct evidence that we are actually attempting to do something about this issue as compared to other countries. On a side-note, "real" rape statistics which tries to estimate countries actual rates of rapes places Sweden at around average for Europe.

And this is why people should be careful what they say because chances are you know barely anything about it and the complex nuances behind the facts.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

Nice try, but I already know this since your country is also the most feminist country in Europe. Which also means that the men are mostly spineless. Feminised men and women don't understand how the world really works, and as a result the men are unable to properly protect the women or their nation.

The majority of rapes in Sweden are carried out by foreign born men: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

You still admire this woman, you're still a liberal, still weak. Which is why those men do what they do. If you understood how the world really works you'd understand how ridiculous this woman is and how ridiculous your own views are.

[Soteris]

*sigh* Well I tried. When I told you to be careful pushing claims and facts you did not understand what is the first thing you do? Throw more shit at the wall and hope it sticks. Its not going to work especially since you can't prove it even if you want to. The Swedish government does not record race in criminal statistics and definitely do not tell you how many of those was "foreign born" so good luck with finding that statistics. I did by the way, after much digging and it was in Swedish and supported my position so feel free.

Anyways, most rapes are from people known to the victim so specifying that the attacker was "unknown" already puts you in the minority of rape cases but then you decided to use the term "foreign born"... Such as people born outside of Sweden and immigrating to Sweden.. Such as Swedish people who travel to other countries, have children and return to Sweden which makes up a large part of immigration to Sweden.

Quite frankly if you are born with a Swedish passport in your hand because both your parents are Swedish I dont really consider them as foreigners but this statistics does just that. Congratulations you have just slashed your sample group into an even smaller group.

So yes. A minority of a minority in a city known for having a lot of immigrants according to a survey by a news paper states that 80% are from "foreign born" individuals.. if you discount all the rapes from native Swedish people that makes this statistics a lot less impressive.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

I know that you guys don't record the races of perpetrators - just in case anybody might notice a pattern that might make them racist.

You're twisting words and definitions. I never specified "unknown", so that doesn't slash any statistics. Classifying anybody born with a Swedish passport also doesn't really slash any statistics either.

Here in the UK we had something similar with liberals. The UK is almost as fucked as Sweden to be fair. Pakistani Muslims were grooming, raping and pimping out thousands of underaged white girls for 16 years while the police, the social services and left-wing politicians were claiming that it was a racist conspiracy theory. Many of those rapists were born in the UK, but they weren't English like I am. Their roots and therefore their loyalty lie elsewhere, while naive white liberals defend them out of fear of being called racist.

It's literally a case of "yeah rape our women and children but please don't call me a racist".

And that's why you still admire a woman who went to a third world shithole only to be raped and murdered, which should have been an obvious danger did she not have such stupid ideas about the way the world really is.

[Soteris]

No, the reason they dont bother record races in criminal statistics is because it has not shown to be a useful statistics. I mean they do make an exception every now and then but that just proves its a junk statistics which costs tax payer money to record and calculate for no constructive reason.

As for "twisting your words", it was specified in the article you linked. You know, the one you did not read but tried to use to support your claim. I read it. They cherry picked statistics to support their narrative by narrowing down the statistics to only show what they wanted it to show. This is a common trick to fool people.

I also feel like its prudent to mention that immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than natives are. Pretty simple really, they dont have time for that shit since they need to rebuild their lives after literally moving to a new country. Yes that also applies to the UK.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

Of course it's not useful if you don't want to be called racist and you don't think that noticing that a certain race of people committing a disproportionate amount of crime might be a good idea. Because if you're afraid of being called racist you'll do nothing about it anyway.

Immigrants don't commit less crime. That's just not true at all. In fact it is true for Asians, but not for the rest. Culture comes from the people in it. They come from third world shitholes, and where ever they live eventually becomes a crime-ridden shithole also. Black people in particular commit a disproportionate amount of crime here:



And this is why:

[Soteris]

You are just wrong. Just ask any expert in criminology and they will simply laugh in your face. Crime is not driven by ethnicity but by things like socioeconomic and other factors. Basically oppressed and poor people commit crime at a higher rate than middle class people. Hardly surprising really.
www.ncjrs.gov/criminal_justice2000/vol_1/02j.pdf

So yeah, do try to tell me how wrong I am when I am the one who base my views on the conclusion of the experts. Also as I said earlier, Sweden does not include demographics because its worthless.. because its worthless.. not because they are trying to be PG13. Grow up and stop acting like a kid.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

It's true that poorer people are more likely to engage in violent crime. What's also true is that IQ can predict income.



Yeah I know you're gonna say that also has to do with socioeconomic factors and poor education, but many recent studies show that IQ is 80% genetic.

[Soteris]

Correlation does not equal causation and IQ is not an objective measurement of "intelligence" nor is it comprehensive and ultimately its even biased to one group of people. Basically you are once again talking about issues that goes so far above your head that you dont even have a rudimentary understanding of them.

Once again I point to the article I linked previously.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

I understand it perfectly, you're just a typical midwit.

[Soteris]

Then why are you insisting on saying stupid things and misusing things like IQ?

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

Let's not waste any more time in this pointless debate.

[Soteris]

Oh I never considered this a debate. It was more of an impromptu teaching seminare with an unknowing student judging by how often I have to tell you how everything you know is wrong and why.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Soteris

Like I said, typical midwit.

[Physics-Man]

@EternallyCorrect

I can vouch that he's a delusional dimwit. What the other members on this site told me are right; he's a hopelessly stupid bastard, who should serve as an exemplary personification for the Dunning-Krueger effect. Refuse like him are dangerous for the Nordic Union, and for Europe as a whole. I'm in the process of refuting what he said about IQ's inefficiency and illegitimacy, and how there's NO genetic component between IQ and Genetics regarding criminality; all with quotes from experts, references, and citations, and watch this imbecilic cretin reject it all!

[EternallyCorrect]

No, he's not a dimwit. He's a midwit. There's a difference.

A dimwit is just an idiot. A midwit is somebody who is slightly above average intelligence, thinks that they're a lot more intelligent than they are actually are or try to be, is completely incapable of original thought, and that's why he often uses the appeal to authority fallacy.

If you want to understand midwits and you have a spare half hour watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byb3ffrBYgU

[Soteris]

@Physics-Man Well here is the problem. You can provide all the "expert" or proof you want but if the foundation you are putting them on is flawed it literally means nothing and I dont have to prove shit. Namely that before you can provide me with expert opinion you first need to show me the foundation its built upon, this being the genetics of human subspecies, which does not exist or at the very least not exist in the way you are claiming it is.

I am not going to make a leap of logic just because you dont want to provide the correct proof I am asking of you.

[Soteris]

Unfortunate situation but that is 4 years ago. I applaud their bravery for going into dangerous areas to try do some good and if nothing else this is just a reminder of how important their work is.

Does it change my political views? No. If nothing else it just reinforces my humanitarian views since this story of such admirable individuals are inspiring. It says a lot about you how even now, years afterwards you are still trying to use this to spread fear and hatred around the world. How about you try be more like her instead?

[Physics-Man]

Fear and hatred? Pah! Some excellent arguments you have right there you fucking degenerate. I'm showing the distinct and very real average race differences between Indigenous Europeans and the Sub-Saharan African refuse that you simply delight in coddling so much. Human subspecies evolved in different environments which led to differences in such traits as Altruism, intelligence, and Behavior due their imposed stresses. Lunatic, Leftist idiots such as yourself live in an alternate reality where watching indigenous Europeans be replaced by these animals is somehow virtuous. And where the denial of science simply because it hurts your feelings and threatens your ideal view of the world from falling into disarray, simply is standard.

Why don't you do me the honor first you stupid fuck? You'll be eligible for the Darwin Award for being so blindingly stupid as to deliberately expose yourself to peril in being within proximity to these low IQ idiots you worship, by going on an adventure in their dilapidated shitholes? Stupid is as stupid does, it seems. Good luck becoming reduced to a minority in Sweden by the end of the century, and still being able to cherish your freedoms and rights in an Islamic Sweden, you deranged, virtue signaling, self-hating delusional cuck.

[Soteris]

There is honestly nothing more I could add to what you just said which would make you appear as a worse human being or prove how wrong you are. Good job, self ownage like these are rare.

[Physics-Man]

Whatever helps you sleep at night and "win" the argument in your mind without actually trying to debate, my sweet princess.

[Soteris]

Oh, I am not going to just stop you know. I am going to milk this victory to its full extent. Tell me more about these "Human subspecies" and how you are so much more scientificate than poor ol me with a basic understanding of biology and how there is no such thing.

[Physics-Man]

Races ARE Solidly Biological. And there are a number of Dissident Scientists who have pointed this out, but since it isn't trendy to believe in races, they're usually cast out of the spotlight and ignored, or perhaps gleefully scorned, as such was the case with Galileo and his followers when he presented the Heliocentric Model and its legitimacy over the Geocentric one. Or as is the modern case with James Watson.

But since we're on the focus of "Who's more knowledgeable" and why you should listen to me and vice versa, let me introduce you to some respectable scientists who agree with me, and who's wisdom I'll take over yours, you leftist trash.

[Physics-Man]

According to Harvard's Ernst Mayr, one of the 20ty Century's leading Biologists and a Titan of Science:

"There is a widespread feeling that the word "race" indicates something undesirable and that it should be left out of all discussions. This leads to such statements as "there are no human races". Those who subscribe to this opinion are obviously ignorant of modern biology. Races are not something specifically human; races occur in a large percentage of species of animals. You can read in every textbook on evolution that geographic races of animals, when isolated from other races of their species, may in due time become new species. The terms 'subspecies' and 'geographic race' are used interchangeably in this taxonomic literature."

[Physics-Man]

The current politically correct view of human races is that they don't exist. Surprisingly, this view has been adopted by many scientists, including biologists, who should know better.

Bruce T. Lahn and Lanny Ebenstein have published this opinion piece in a 2009 issue of Nature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/461726a

They begin by pointing out the problem and then they state their position.

"The current moral position is a sort of 'biological egalitarianism'. This dominant position emerged in recent decades largely to correct grave historical injustices, including genocide, that were committed with the support of pseudoscientific understandings of group diversity. The racial-hygiene theory promoted by German geneticists Fritz Lenz, Eugene Fischer and others during the Nazi era is one notorious example of such pseudoscience. Biological egalitarianism is the view that no or almost no meaningful genetically based biological differences exist among human groups, with the exception of a few superficial traits such as skin colour3. Proponents of this view seem to hope that, by promoting biological sameness, discrimination against groups or individuals will become groundless."

[Physics-Man]

"We believe that this position, although well-intentioned, is illogical and even dangerous, as it implies that if significant group diversity were established, discrimination might thereby be justified. We reject this position. Equality of opportunity and respect for human dignity should be humankind's common aspirations, notwithstanding human differences no matter how big or small. We also think that biological egalitarianism may not remain viable in light of the growing body of empirical data."

Lahn, B. T. and Ebenstein, L. (2009) Let's celebrate human genetic diversity. Nature 461:726-728

These guys seem to be a bit late in realizing that the scientific data doesn't support the politically correct "biological egalitarianism" viewpoint but, as they say, better late than never.

Here's their bottom line:

Promoting biological sameness in humans is illogical, even dangerous.

To ignore the possibility of group diversity is to do poor science and poor medicine.

A robust moral position is one that embraces this diversity as among humanity's great assets.

[Physics-Man]

Let me introduce you to someone else who may... or may not change your mind, if you're willing to creep out of Plato's Cave for once in your life.

Jerry Coyne is one of the world's foremost experts on Genetics, Species, and Evolution, and author of the standard text 'Speciation,' and the bestselling science popularization titled "Why Evolution Is True," in which he also maintains a website by the same name.

Jerry Allen Coyne is an American Professor of Biology, known for his commentary on the intelligent design debate. A prolific scientist, he has published dozens of papers, elucidating on the theory of evolution. He is currently a professor at the University of Chicago in the Department of Ecology and Evolution. His concentration is speciation and ecological and evolutionary genetics, particularly as they involve the fruit fly, Drosophila.

Coyne graduated with a B. S. in biology from the College of William & Mary in 1971. He started graduate work at Rockefeller University under Theodosius Dobzhansky before logistical complications forced a hiatus. He then earned a Ph. D. in biology at Harvard University, studying under Richard Lewontin, and went on to do a postdoctoral fellowship at the University of California, Davis with Timothy Prout.

[Physics-Man]

He was awarded the Guggenheim Fellowship in 1989, was elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2007, and received the "Emperor Has No Clothes" award from the Freedom from Religion Foundation in 2011.

Coyne has served as President (2011) and Vice President (1996) of the Society for the Study of Evolution, and as Associate Editor of Evolution (1985–1988; 1994–2000) and The American Naturalist (1990–1993). He currently teaches Evolutionary biology, Speciation, Genetic analysis, social issues and scientific knowledge, and scientific speaking and writing.

His work is Widely published in scientific journals as well as in such mainstream venues as The New York Times, the Times Literary Supplement, and The New Republic. His research interests include population and Evolutionary Genetics, Speciation, Ecological and Quantitative Genetics, Chromosome evolution, and sperm competition.

Coyne is a critic of creationism including theistic evolution and intelligent design, which he calls "the latest pseudoscientific incarnation of religious creationism, cleverly crafted by a new group of enthusiasts to circumvent recent legal restrictions."

[Physics-Man]

This is from his said website:
whyevolutionistrue.com/.../

Are there human Races?

One of the touchiest subjects in human evolutionary biology — or human biology in general — is the question of whether there are human races. Back in the bad old days, it was taken for granted that the answer was not only “yes,” but that there was a ranking of races (invariably done by white biologists), with Caucasians on top, Asians a bit lower, and blacks invariably on the bottom. The sad history of biologically based racism has been documented in many places, including Steve Gould’s book The Mismeasure of Man (yes, I know it’s flawed).

But from that sordid scientific past has come a backlash: the subject of human races, or even the idea that they exist, has become Taboo.
*And this Despite the Palpable morphological Differences between human groups — differences that MUST be based on Genetic Differences and Would, if seen in Other species, lead to their classification as either Races or Subspecies* (the terms are pretty interchangeable in biology).
Racial delimitation could, critics say, lead to a resurgence of racism, racial profiling, or even eugenics.

Well, if that’s the consensus, I am an outlier. I do think that human races exist in the sense that biologists apply the term to animals, though I don’t think the genetic differences between those races are profound, nor do I think there is a finite and easily delimitable number of human races. Let me give my view as responses to a series of questions. I discuss much of this in chapter 8 of WEIT.

[Physics-Man]

What are Races?

In my own field of evolutionary biology, races of animals (also called “subspecies” or “ecotypes”) are morphologically distinguishable populations that live in allopatry (i. e. are geographically separated). There is no firm criterion on how much morphological difference it takes to delimit a race. Races of mice, for example, are described solely on the basis of difference in coat color, which could involve only one or two genes.

Under that criterion, are there human Races?

Yes. As we all know, there are morphologically different groups of people who live in different areas, though those differences are blurring due to recent innovations in transportation that have led to more admixture between human groups.

How many human Races are there?

That’s pretty much unanswerable, because human variation is nested in groups, for their ancestry, which is based on evolutionary differences, is nested in groups. So, for example, one could delimit “Caucasians” as a race, but within that group there are genetically different and morphologically different subgroups, including Finns, southern Europeans, Bedouins, and the like. The number of human races delimited by biologists has ranged from three to over 30.

How different are the Races genetically?
Not very different... But since the delimitation of Races has historically depended Not on the degree of underlying genetic differences but Only on the existence of Some genetic difference that causes morphological difference, the genetic similarity of Races Does Not mean that they Don’t exist..."

[Soteris]

Oh spare my poor eyes from this nonsense. First of all, no one cares if you are "trendy" or whatever in science, its all about proof. The most popular scientists holding the most popular opinions is regularly thrown into the ditch when something new proves them wrong (look at Eisenstein and Niels Bohr as an example). Anytime people like you talks about science as if it cares about your feelings I honestly just feel embarrassed for you for your misunderstandings.

There is a fundamental problem with identifying subspecies in Humans namely that you can't find a definition. If you can't find a definition because the "edges is blurry" then that just proves they are the same group. The prerequisite for identifying a subspecies is finding the defining features which you can use to prove your claim, there is no room for ambiguity.

[KrakenAttackin]

The world is not a safe place and those who insist it is will pay the price.

Really this is about the entitlement white women feel. This white girl went strutting somewhere she had business being and got her head cut off. White women think they are invincible.

[Anonymous]

Maybe she should have been less trusting. I see the same type of juvenile mentality in Americans Leftists. The right is all bad and everyone is their victim. We need to empower these victims and imprison the system

Defund the Police, Send social workers. We all know how badly that turned out. It didn't take long for reality to rear its ugly head

[Opinion Owner]

American democrats would blame it on Trump and White Supremacy

[Brutus977]

Another stupid white liberal woman thinking she can bring Kumbaya to the world.

[Anonymous]

Aye when you go to a war zone shit happens.

Just like that white guy who went to the isnaldn and got shoot full of arrows after they told him not to go.

I can did you American or 1st world countrys story of people beheading people.

[Avicenna]

It’s still sad, even though she was an idiot to support open borders.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yeah, that is something to think they would stoop as low to behead someone

[LZPanzer]

The DRC is not Sweden. They are 2 countries that are drastically different you can't draw any parallels or connections

Some of you are horrible people for celebrating someone's brutal death.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Zaida Catalán huh? Never heard of her. Must've been a lower rank member. But nonetheless, a tragedy.

[Soteris]

Happened in 2017 and she was working for the UN as an investigator at the time. Leader of the young green party for a few years but thats about it.

[AlexanderAnttila]

@Soteris I see, that explains it. Their youth branch has always been very dormant in media.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it will teach them something caring for your own people is better

[grega239]

The cradle of humanity is a murderous shit hole... who would've guessed

[Anonymous]

I guess Swedish people aren’t that smart like @Iron_Man haha. But of course it’s quite sad and partly to blame is the UN oversight.

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry if I offend anyone.

[Gespenster_division]

I'm all for open boarders within the the EU but this shows why we need boarders.

[007kingifrit]

hahahahahah i love when this happens. left wingers get reality in the end.

[Jack9949]

I still find it sad. I don’t think anyone deserves to die in that fashion

[BeMuse]

Some people have to learn the hard way.

[Pterodon]

Too bad it ain’t Biden and hairyass

[cth96190]

I am doing my happy dance.

[TheFlak38]

I dont see a problem