Do you agree with the phrase "white silence is compliance" when it comes to systemic racism in the US?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I think so. But because all of you reactionary types like to insist that saying "black lives matter" means you think that other lives don't matter, I'll toss you a bone.

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Well, what do you know, white people can be victims of systemic racism after all.

[Sargentcaptain]

Claims of systemic racism are bullshit.

Incarceration rate is on individuals, don't wanna get locked up, don't commit crime. Besides, the incarceration rate for white people is double that of Asians. I guess we just live in an Asian supremacists society, right? Oh more on that soon.
Moreover, there are more black people in cities than in rural areas. As you should know well, Sherlock, crime rates are higher in cities, this will make a significant difference in overall racial breakdowns.
Really answer me, why can't men just cry the same shit for systemic sexism since the vast majority of people in jail are men? I've asked lefties this a number of time, never got an answer. Please enlighten me.

Disparity in education are hilarious. Morons never wanna talk about how Asians do even better than white people, instead focusing on 3rd best - black people, and again, not even talking about the worst place - Hispanics. Hey it's almost as if it takes more than just muh rayzism for someone to drop out. Similar story with the income disparity. You know, you'd think that if the whyte supremizists ruled the nation, the most successful race would be white, with other's being on the verge of poverty. You definitely wouldn't think that a whyte supremacist nation would be the best place for Asians. Almost as if the systemic rayzism is just a bullshit narrative created by the left to divide people.

The false dichotomy and the Sophie's choice you're trying to make here are moronic. The disparities here aren't due to mythical systemic racism or racial inferiority. It's a complex answer. A lot of this will come from poverty, that traces back centuries ago. That's where we agree. Problem is in your 'solution'. You can't punish people today who did nothing wrong to reward people today who did nothing right. I'm not responsible for the actions of my ancestors so reparations are stupid and, ironically, racist. Just because centuries ago someone who looked like me did a bad thing to someone who looks like you doesn't mean that you deserve and/or are owed my money today.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

If there is such a high disparity in incarceration rates between black and white people, individual choices cannot explain it away if unless black people are somehow more predisposed to commit crimes. For example, black people face longer sentences when all factors are controlled for:
www.yalelawjournal.org/.../mandatory-sentencing-and-racial-disparity-assessing-the-role-of-prosecutors-and-the-effects-of-booker
Are more likely to be arrested for weed use despite similar rates of usage and drugs black people use have harsher sentences. Also, blood lead levels in excess of 5 micro-grams per liter are 2.5 times as common in black children than white children but if you look at the 1990s (when people who are young adults now would have been affected by it because exposure to lead as a child increases the tendency to commit violent crimes as an adult) the disparity was closer to 4 to 1. Hispanic communities have similar poverty rates to black communities while similar blood lead levels to white children and violent crime is 4 times as prevalent in black communities than Hispanic communities.

As for your model minority, we only let the most well to do families immigrate the US so it's not 'Asian supremacy' it's sampling bias.

[Sargentcaptain]

"If there is such a high disparity in incarceration rates between black and white people, individual choices cannot explain it away if unless black people are somehow more predisposed to commit crimes.''

Which they are. Not because they are black, but because most black people live in urban areas and are more likely to be poor. They culture around them is also a big influence in higher crime stats, just as it was previously with Irish or Italian mobsters.

"For example, black people face longer sentences when all factors are controlled for"

Sure, and that is unfair, but innocent people don't get arrested. This point is mute because you're arguing that black people are more likely to be incarcerated, not how long they should serve.

"Are more likely to be arrested for weed use despite similar rates of usage and drugs black people use have harsher sentences."

I don't know nor do I care. The laws are as they are and everyone is forced to obey. Besides, I think that drug laws in general are government overreach. Also, if you live in areas that the cops are more likely to be at (cities), you'll have a higher chance of getting arrested.

[Sargentcaptain]

"blood lead levels in excess of 5 micro-grams per liter are 2.5 times as common in black children than white children"

So you do admit that there are other things than 'systemic racism' that are responsible for people committing crimes? In any case, you can't be sure if the people in charge of this did that because 'ugh black' or because the place just has shitty infrastructure. I'm sure that the reason is deeper than racism, wouldn't you think?

"Hispanic communities have similar poverty rates to black communities while similar blood lead levels to white children and violent crime is 4 times as prevalent in black communities than Hispanic communities."

Which is interesting, but I can't see how a real white supremacist society would make it so that Asians are better off that white people and that Hispanics are doing fine. Besides, I'm sure that culture is a big factor in crimes. You're born Italian in the 30s, growing up everyone around you is a crook, your family, your friends, and Italians who aren't crooks are viewed by others as pussies. Don't you think that you're gonna be inclined to do crime, compared to someone who didn't have to go trough the culture that glorifies crime?

"As for your model minority, we only let the most well to do families immigrate the US so it's not 'Asian supremacy' it's sampling bias."

Sure, but wouldn't you think that a truly white supremacist society would make it so that white people are doing the best, not some 3rd group coming here from another continent?

Also, how come you didn't answer me?
Why can't men just cry the same shit for systemic sexism since the vast majority of people in jail are men?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

-Racist policies lead to the higher poverty rate (red lining) and the tendency to live in cities (sharecropping and the great migration).
-That still means black people face harsher sentences for the same crime
-Ever heard of the pig laws? After the Civil War southern lawmakers looked through arrest records, saw which misdemeanor offenses were most often committed by black people and they turned those into felony charges so they could use black people in convict leasing. Are you going to tell me that wasn't racist because the laws applied to both blacks and whites?

-Systemic racism put them in environments were lead poisoning is a bigger problem.
-Racism and white supremacy aren't synonymous terms; you can hate black people but be OK with Asians while not hating Hispanics as much.

[Sargentcaptain]

-Racist policies lead to the higher poverty rate (red lining) and the tendency to live in cities (sharecropping and the great migration).

Yup. That's a fact, what's your solution?

-That still means black people face harsher sentences for the same crime

Sure, that's a problem, but I don't know how you'd really solve it. And again, you can say the same exact thing for men compared to women, but you're not here complaining about female privilege. These problems can't be solved by laws, because they already are on paper, it's a much deeper societal influence that you can't just magically make disappear. Also, the best way to prevent harsher punishments is to not give them a reason to punish you in the first place, so don't commit crime.

-Ever heard of the pig laws? Are you going to tell me that wasn't racist because the laws applied to both blacks and whites?

Sure it was, but I just don't care about drugs. Drug use and sales should be legal, but you shouldn't be taking them anyway. You're a dumbass if you go around getting high/drunk, and for as long as consuming things like that is illegal, you have even more of a reason to avoid this shit.

-Systemic racism put them in environments were lead poisoning is a bigger problem.

Are you just mid reading here or is this based in any facts at all?

-Racism and white supremacy aren't synonymous terms; you can hate black people but be OK with Asians while not hating Hispanics as much.

Ah yeah, considering that racists are what 1~5% of the population today, and assuming that the vast majority of them only favor their race and hate all others, I highly doubt that this is an actual problem.

Also, how come you didn't answer me?
Why can't men just cry the same shit for systemic sexism since the vast majority of people in jail are men? Also, women are more likely to have college education compared to men.

[NewtoTheSouth]

No, silence is not complicity. That is not logical. If it were, I would be complicit in the female genital mutilation that occurs in Africa. I have never spoken out agains that. You probably haven't either. Heck, I have never even spoken out against child sex trafficking. Have you? Does that mean we are complicit in it? Of course not.

Just to reiterate: I oppose racism, female genital mutilation and child sex trafficking. But I have never spoken out against any of them. That doesn't mean I am complicit in them. Rational thought must be used! Stop tearing people down!

[AcadiaJ]

its time for blacks to take care of their race for a change.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

It's time for the US to not play favorites with our citizens for a change.

[JustMe62]

Systemic racism is nothing more than a political talking point used to expand racisms in this country and spread other false policies. In the past several years, this stupid lefty movement has set this countries race relations back decades. This country did have a serious problem with race relations that has been worked on for a long time, with good progress, but now its like we have to start all over again due to this stupidity of people who have never looked at a history book and gained a real understanding of this issue.

[FunkyMonkee]

In the first place, except for that which comes from the democrats, there IS NO systemic racism!!
Secondly, take the "white" out of that slogan and I'd agree! It goes ACROSS THE BOARD!!! Skin colour has NOTHING to do with it!!!

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yep, all you have to do to know that systematic racism doesn't exist is look at disparities in education, poverty and incarceration rates. Oh wait, are you going to make up some excuse like fatherlessness, individual choices or culture?

[FunkyMonkee]

I don't make things up. I'm not a looney leftie!!

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

OK, remind me what's the Black vs rest of the populations
-Incarceration rate
-Poverty rate
-Education rate

The disparities can be explained by one of two things: systemic racism or racial inferiority. Which notion do you subscribe to?

[Gray-Wisp]

White silence is definitely compliance. When your own race is under attack and they do nothing about it then they're just opening themselves up to even more systemic discrimination than there already is.

[EmbraceThePain]

Definitely do not agree.
Proper research and evidence should be used to prove or disprove systematic racism.

[KingOfTexas]

Well I'll never support a terrorist marxist organisation that defames the officials that defend my country from criminal scum, I support vigilantes that kill criminals and send a strong message to other people trying to commit crimes in the future.

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

We need to uplift the black community and it starts with everyone jumping on board. We need all your support

[Pantera9000]

Anti-white racism is the only systemic racism and most of world loves it so whats the point. Every thing white is racist to the leftists.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Nope, but the whole "the left calls everything they don't agree with racist" claim is an Orwellian tactic that the right uses to silence people who call out their dog whistles.

[Pantera9000]

No it isn't. I had a native Indian call me racist 2 years ago and a couple months ago she came and apologized and explained she had not realized she had been brainwashed into the leftists tactics.
She used to tout lines just like you "right wing dog whistles" "You's wasists" and "we are the only ones who suffer wasism".
They are all Orwellian leftists dog whistles and the most common among their systemic racism against everything "right wing". And all for the sake of silencing anybody who apposes the official narratives!

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That's an anecdote.

[UnknownUser01]

No , that's called emotional blackmail lol

If you're white and not racist , just carry on with your life. You don't have to do/say shit.

[Snakeyes7]

What does that even mean? If anything, it sounds malicious as it implies that you're enforcing something on white people against their will.

[CausticHippy]

I think this dumbass question has no place in my life. How do dumb people be so opinionated on others?

[anylolone]

No.
That's a messed up shit the nazis used to say.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Yep

If you witness a crime, and you don't speak up. it's called compliance

[OddBeMe]

Sure. Silence just means not supporting change.

[redskulldangerzone64]

It's true white people can be victims of Racism

[princeofromance]

No, I do not agree with this statement.

[Mia-Wallace]

Nah.

[Tinaaas]

Definitely.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, I do