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Both sides have a minority of delusional people who thinks they are the smartest person in the room tryimg to start debates with everyone, but really they're as thick as a brick
Good Jethro Tull song. 👍
Liberals have splinters in there butts from all that fencesitting trying to figure out what to be liberal about
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Right now, it’s liberals. Conservatives are generally shit when it comes to anything except money, which is whatever at this point. The only right of mine they seek to remove is my right of bodily autonomy and reproductive choice. I expect that of them and They make no effort to hide that fact.
But liberals are amazing me at this point. They want to regulate everything and their goddamn mother, which is to be expected but is still excessive. But coupled with the fact they want fewer police, and want less legal right to protect myself, puts me at great risk. Coupled with the fact that some hardliners want abortion to be made wholly illegal in order to try and get more women to vote for them, disgusts me to no end. And if you don’t believe me, ask oddbeme. He literally admits this, as a liberal, because his own party isn’t motivated enough.
So to me, liberals annoy me more and are a bigger threat to the American people. And that’s saying something, considering trump tea baggers literally tried to overthrow the government.
Conservatives. They lie too much. It's impossible to believe any criticism of liberals because it might be coming from a conservative, who lies. But liberals need to be criticized or they tend to run to idealism over pragmatism. k
The problem is all conservativism really is is the belief that the rich shouldn't have to pay their employees or taxes. Obviously no one is going to go for this so they absolutely can't be honest about it. And once they have resolved to lie to stay in power there's not really a limit or moral argument against any particular lie they might tell. Its all a show. The "both sides" narrative is just one of the lies conservatives tell. The idea that everything is being called racist is just one of the lies conservatives tell. The idea that liberals want government to control everything is just one of the lies that conservatives tell...
These people are limited by what works. Not what is right or wrong. And it annoys me that people are so eager to be tricked by them. But it's a democracy and priorities require representation just as much as ideas do. The sad fact is conservatives have been tricked in to prioritizing their fake grievance culture over effective policy. That priority requires representation even if it's a scam.
Recently it's liberals, with their bullying cancel culture and "woke" nonsense. One issue I currently have with conservatives is their lack of support for national infrastructure (REAL infrastructure, not the liberals "woke" version of infrastructure... people are NOT infrastructure). We need new roads, bridges, tunnels, dams, airports, and schools, yet we're focused on diversity training. It's difficult enough to get conservatives to agree to spend money on infrastructure without liberals changing the definition of infrastructure. Diversity isn't going to matter much if we can't go anywhere or do anything.
Well it would be nice if Biden’s multi trillion dollar infrastructure bill was actually FOR infrastructure which its not.
@backblueblack22 I really believe that in its eventual final form it will be, so that they get enough votes from moderate Democrats and Republicans.
The vast majority of conservatives (myself included) disdained the January 6th Capitol Hill riots as asinine, evil and embarrassing. I have yet to hear one Republican politician support or act as an apologist for that crap.
However the BLM riots took the lives of over 30 people, caused over 2 billion dollars in damage and destroyed countless businesses (including black owned small businesses). Yet almost the entire Democratic Party got behind BLM along with social media, Hollywood, major league sports and major corporations.
Explain to me the logic of all of that?
Conservatives by far, if one can not show the work of Carl marx that argues what there saying is maxism that all liberals just seem to follow when not even most liberals know who marx is or his works are then clearly this talk of it is maxism is a fallacy.
If only one could actually recite to me when ever marx mentioned that people need to start blm to take over the world or some other dumb shit that would be great but he did not. Not to mention some conservatives actually think Marx is Russian... Honestly the funniest shit.
Liberals. And I have progressive values. I used to consider myself to be strongly liberal until the Democratic party embraced neoliberalism and many so-called liberals continued to be loyal Democrats, not realizing that the Democratic party is anything but liberal.
I'm not saying that I turned Republican or conservative, either. My values haven't changed. I simply realized that both parties have essentially the same agenda. I have rejected party partisanship and mainstream propaganda.
Revolutionary Marxists who pose as Liberals. Being a classic liberal isn't even a bad thing it's just that the left itself has become more extremist over time.
The problem with that is by going too hard left they become oppressive authoritarians who closely resemble their supposedly right wing equivalents.
It's pretty hard to tell or care about the difference if you're being murdered by a nazi or a Stalinist.
Most supposedly right wing people these days are hugely liberal compared to their great grandparents too.
Please mention one of Carl Marx works that liberals you've met so call follow. And if you can please then afterwards mention how marx in his works mentioned anywhere that we must create blm or whatever else gets called run by marxists because i bet you 100% marx never said to do that. Also as an extra mention how liberals align there views with stalin when they know stalin was evil leader who ruined the image of Lenin who even lenin didn't want in power because he knew Stalin was a bastard.
Liberals, by far! Some Conservatives are also incredibly annoying, hypocritical and ignorant, but at least their arguments make sense, and they're willing to broaden their horizons. While Liberals are stuck in their own little fantasy world, and see problems in EVERYTHING, and get angry when you question their logic.
Both are authoritarian. Though conservatives always pretend like they still believe in liberty. But they dont.
Liberals are worse i think because the left has won. But whichever side wins, we end up with authority above the people, and in my opinion that is never good.
It is definitely liberals. Conservatives usually just mind their own business. Liberals will follow you home and scream at you that you are a Nazi if you have a Trump sticker on your car.
For the 18 folks that are annoyed by me, I'm sorry but:
Biden would think that is a sign for his prostrate exam.
Both my grandfather and my father had it at the exact same age. So guess who’s next in line 21 years from now? I hope to tackle that early.
Anyway it sounds like you still got your marbles. Also I’m one of those “18 people” simply because we elected a president who can’t even remember what he had for breakfast this morning. The guy is going senile and his mental faculties are absolute fair game for criticism. He’s not running the show, the radical sect of the Democrats are. He should of ran for president of the AARP not the Oval Office.
@DaveToo do you really believe that? The guy forgets what state he is in half the time. He’s as pliable as silly putty given that he flip flopped on the 1994 crime bill (which drastically reduced crime in the USA) just to please the radical left. He also flip flopped on the Hyde amendment. Tax payer money can directly be spent on abortions. His insane stupid and completely unnecessary spending is drastically driving inflation rates. The overly generous covid relief bills is keeping unemployment up as people are getting paid more to stay at home. Also don’t get me started on China.
I don’t deny for a split second that Trump made an ass out of himself. His own worst was himself. He put absolutely zero care about OPTICS about how he made himself look. But while his personality was insufferable his policy was outstanding. He residing over one of the best economic periods in US history since the 60s. Record low unemployment rates (including record low black unemployment rates), peace in the Middle East, first US president to gain diplomacy with North Korea, he stood up to China’s bullshit and was tough on illegal immigration (I’m all for legal immigration).
You have been around longer than I have. You should know talk is cheap. I could care less about “empathy” from politicians. I care about the bottom line.
Biden is dooming the future generations with insane amounts of debt, endangering vulnerable communities by weakening law enforcement and I will go as far to say endangering liberty with his passive attitude toward socialism.
I think the Democrats are going to be in a world of hurt in the 2022 midterm elections and very possibly the 2024 election. No way Biden is serve a 2nd term (if he even gets through his 1st).
@backblueblack22 Trump's policies gave his rich friends trillions of dollars in tax breaks while fucking you and me. His policies allowed Russia to hack our political system. His personal clothing products and those of his children are made in China and Mexico. His buy American is a sham.
He lowers corporate tax rates which ultimately encourages enterprise development, more jobs and more money from everybody. A corporation is not a sentient human being but a file folder. You know that. Also Biden got rich off being a politician (as did the Clinton’s and Obama’s). Trump made his own name through actual work and private enterprise.
Anyway we aren’t going to agree that is clear. But I’m surprised that older Americans who have been around the block a few times still have this attitude. I could see some brainwashed naive college kid saying that but not someone who has been around to see how the world works.
There will never be a “magician” politician that will solve all our societies problems. The ones who did promise to be like that were communists. We see how that turned out for Venezuela, Cuba and the late Soviet Union.
You can hate rich republicans all you want. But for real the Democratic Party is inching closer and close to communism. That really is their end goal. I will NEVER support that bullshit and you shouldn’t either.
@backblueblack22 I've spoken at length, on various venues, concerning how the orange shitstain conned people into giving him money or labor and did not pay them. I'll let you maintain your love for him. I shall not continue this discussion since it's obvious you are enthralled with him.
when it comes to true displeasure, it is the Leftist, not the liberal.
the liberal is just a lemming to the Leftist at this point, until they realize that the cliff edge is coming up and stop at the edge.
I have no problem with conservatives or liberals that can think for themselves, and can agree to disagree, and shake hands and still respect each other.
Liberals. Conservatives are closed-minded about some things but at least their arguments actually make sense and are logical (for the most part).
Liberals just make stuff up, believe what they want and spread propaganda around as if everything they say or believe is fact, even when proven otherwise they’ll still believe their own lies and try to tell you how to think. They are brainwashed fools.
I can see why conservatives can be annoying I guess, maybe I am hoping they would get a better grip of libertarianism but they just can't quite grasp it yet. Leftists are all gung ho to burn everything down without stopping to think if it really solves anything.
Can I say neither? (・_・ヾ
Im not annoyed by either
but Ig I had a big argument with a 'liberal' about welsh independence, something I dont support but he dioes ┐(‘~`;)┌
I consider myself a moderate and dislike a lot of things about both ends of the political spectrum.
Having said that, in recent years I have found the ever expanding dishonesty and hypocrisy of liberals despicable. The fact that they regularly use sexism and racism as tools to divide Americans for their own political gain is disgusting.
I'm no liberal but definitely conservatives. I've NEVER cared about politics... It's all bullshit... Conservatives have just become vial, hateful, irrational, reality challengeed maniacs in these last 5 years. I've seen my family... Including those I consider amongst the very few I've ever been close to be completely radical and seen hatred and racism within my family sharply rise more and more.
one. wants. Jill. Biden. assissinated!
the fact that everyone, no matter if conservative or liberal lost the ability to listen and think. instead they just shout their opinions at each other without ever learning anything.
Liberals, they are the definition of insane, they keep wanting to try the same things over and over again that have failed every where else they've been tried.
Liberals are mentally stunted children who get 99% of their opinions from CNN or other main stream media sources.
Not all of them but a growing number of them.
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