What is the point of Conservatism?

[SmokinAces2000]

I really think conservatism has no use to society anymore. It’s so outdated and pretty annoying if I’m being honest and conservatives really aren’t conserving anything

[RolandCuthbert]

No. What you are running into fanatics who claim their extremist beliefs are "Conservative".

It is funny that we have extremists on the net threatening violence over vaccines and masks. They threaten violence over fake news about a stolen election. They believe in some of the most backward, silly and stupid conspiracies. They favor their beliefs in mysticism and mythology over the cold hard facts of science and medicine. They are rabid and ranting lunatics much of the time.

But somehow, they are "Conservative". Somehow they are measured in their approach to problem solving. Somehow they are more traditional. More moral/ethical. It is just a huge self-delusion.

But true Conservatism is about family being the foundation upon which a society is built. Nuclear families, where men can make enough money to allow for their community to develop in a stable way. It is about individual freedoms and rights guaranteed to each and every citizen. It is about limited federal government intervention. A smaller footprint enabling lower taxes for everyone. It is about a foreign policy that promotes democracy and individual liberty around the world. It is about religious freedom.

Conservatism arose out of the societal need to create a stable environment in which a society could prosper.

But those days are long gone.

[ADFSDF1996]

You “liberals” are the bigger problem. Let’s take a look at some of the many crappy “liberal” ideas.

• Attempting to abolish the constitution
• Attempting to abolish holidays
• Trying to ban music you don’t like
• discriminating against Asians, whites, Christians, straight men, straight women
• Constantly trying to ban movies and video games you folks don’t like
• infringing on free speech
• Trying to abolish the right for law abiding citizens to defend themselves
• supporting the extradition of fellow Americans

And the list goes on and on. All while Conservatives are trying prevent all that dystopian idiocy from being implemented.

[SmokinAces2000]

Firstly I’m not a liberal and second those aren’t liberal ideas those are ideas the conservatives try to pass as liberal ideas 😂

[ADFSDF1996]

You are wrong again.

Who was the group not that long ago that got offended over the phrase “merry Christmas”? Hint, it wasn’t the conservatives.

Who is the group that disapproves whenever a law abiding citizens successfully defends him or herself against a violent criminal? Hint, it’s not the conservatives.

[SmokinAces2000]

Those 2 examples are not applicable at all 😂 firstly the example about Christmas that you gave doesn’t mean that they tried to abolish a holiday and most liberals don’t want to completely get rid of guns they just want to put more control measures on them 😂

[ADFSDF1996]

That’s an interesting way of saying you don’t have valid counter arguments.

In regards to gun control, every time there is a gun related incident it’s the liberals and left wingers in general who want to keep adding new restrictions.

You say you are not a liberal yet here you are defending them.

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m not defending anyone I’m combating ignorance there is a difference 😂 and I can’t counter an argument that’s not a real argument

[ADFSDF1996]

Ah the irony, if you are so anti ignorance then why are you using said ignorance to try to argue?

[SmokinAces2000]

You are the one that listed a bunch of bogus beliefs of a group of people and tried to argue that those “beliefs” are factually correct 😂

[ADFSDF1996]

Nope it’s you who is lying. If liberals and leftists are so “pro free speech” then why are they banning conservatives from social media and giving the boot to conservative actors and actresses?

[RolandCuthbert]

1. You don't know what the constitution says.

2. The comment does not deserve a response.

3. Uhm. . . rap music. Enough said.

4. You mean the guy who shot and killed all those Asian women was a liberal? You mean the guy murdering dozens Hispanics was a bleeding heart? You mean the guy who went into the Tree of Life screaming "Screw the Optics" was a Obama supporter? You might be able to delude yourself. But you will be alone in that delusion.

5. Again, I mean, I don't even know what to say to that. Who blames video games for violence?

www.forbes.com/.../?sh=1560673a11dc

7. Violating terms of service isn't exercising free speech. It is being a dumb ass.

8. Nonsense.

9. What does that even mean?

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

1.) Constantly attacking the first and second amendments

2.) Yeah cause you don’t have a valid counter argument

3.) Pfft. Try listening to Westerwaldlied and watch all the liberals turn into banshees

4.) Again it was a Democratic administration that interned Japanese-Americans, most of those anti Asian attacks are happening in Democrat states

5.) Video game developers have to constantly modify their games to not piss off the SJW crowd

6.) Why is it that every time a law abiding citizen manages to defend him or herself, you liberals throw a hissy fit? Heck during the George Floyd riots, you liberals were cheering on all the looters.

7.) Liberals may not support the death penalty but they sure as heck support extraditing their own people to foreign countries.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Nah, the only amendment you know is the second. No one is attacking your first amendment rights. In fact, telling a company they cannot create terms of service for their platform is a violation of that company's first amendment rights. I own a workplace and no trump supporter is going to tell me I have to let my workplace become an abusive hellhole just because they think the first amendment is only for them. You have free speech. And you have the freedom to be fired, de-platformed, and unfriended. Deal with it.

2. There is no response to insanity. There is only therapy. Seek counseling.

3. Why do I care what they do? This is a free country, people have free not to like you or your music. I deal with it every single day. Grow up.

4. And that makes it right? It was the democrats who ceded from the Union. Are you so insane as to claim the segregationists and confederates are apart of the Democratic agenda? Who is carrying around the confederate flag? Who posts about the confederate flag here? There is a real world, try walking around in it some time.



5. And? If you want to see batshit insane racism in video games. Start a company. Or you can keep whining. That might work. . . one day.

6. Sorry. I didn't cheer nor loot. Unlike you, mr. insane lunatic anonymous ranter. I went out and talked to people who were rioting. We even held a peaceful protest. . . with Asian-Americans. You should have been there so you could rant, rave, and be pissed off. It is called being apart of the solution.

7. I have no idea what that even means. But illegal immigration is wrong. Folks here illegally must be sent back. But taking away children is not just wrong. It is batshit crazy.

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

1.) Self censorship

2.) Soviets used the field of psychology and psychiatry to oppress dissidents.

3.) Banning it from platforms because they misinterpret it as being “hate speech”. Explain how a song about a region is “hate speech”?

4.) The Republicans and Democrats that we know today only became a thing on the 1930s.

5.) Whoever said anything about racism?

6.) Cherry picking at it’s finest. Until you left wingers stop thinking of Asians as being “too privileged”, it’s difficult to see the sincerity in that.

7.) That’s a different story. I’m talking about innocent American citizens who have been extradited to a foreign country because they were falsely accused of a crime they didn’t do.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Hurt feelings. Don’t go become violent because of established fact and legal precedent.

www.americanbar.org/.../

2. So now all psychologists are communists? You are batshit crazy. So what more is there to discuss?

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

1.) It’s all fun and games until a website has terms and conditions that favors conservatives.

2.) I never said that. But it is well known that most people who work in the fields of psychology and psychiatry are left wingers.
www.google.com/.../...probably-a-democrat.amp.html

[SmokinAces2000]

ADFSDF1996 maybe read the terms and conditions before complaining about them because there is absolutely no way for them to favor anyone, not everything is about politics. The problem is for example, if a Republican says something racist on social media republicans usually start whining about how they are being targeted by social media platforms and talking about the first amendment when saying something racist is blatantly against any social media terms and conditions

[RolandCuthbert]

1. You are not a conservative. You are a crazy batshitive. You don't have one single principle you adhere to. Everything you believe in is subjective political drivel. If a person who didn't join your cult told you the sky was blue, you would argue with them. Simply because they were not a member of your extremist lunatic American Taliban militant strike group. You have abandoned objective fact, reason, science and common sense. Because no path using rational thinking can lead you to your political goals.

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

Again with the faulty assumptions. What is it with you liberals making faulty assumptions about those you don’t agree with? And no, I’m not an extremist, I’m just pointing out the obvious. I guess pointing out the obvious is “hate speech” nowadays.

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

Still spouting off nonsense? Whoever said I don’t read terms and conditions before I create an account on a website? The difference is I don’t go around advocating for deplatforming websites that favor left wingers like yourself.

[SmokinAces2000]

ADFSDF1996 if you read the terms and conditions then you should know that there is nothing in there that favors any political party

[RolandCuthbert]

There are no assumptions sir. You have a blank page in front of you. I assume, you have a human brain. It doesn't take much to say what you believe in. But you can't. You can only launch into page after page of Unabomber-like insane rants.

"Libs are doing this. Libs are doing that". There isn't a single actual policy or position you can articulate. You can only create these giant strawmen, aliens from other planets, ghouls and goblins from your imagination to argue with.

Your list is so hypocritical, so nonsensical, most of your points are impossible to even respond to. It was your insane brood that constantly blame violence on video games. Then you have the nerve to make these charge of some make-believe group of "libs". As though everyone who doesn't share your politics wants to ban video games.

That is only one example. But truly you have a delusional disorder. You actually believe you can create a list of beliefs or behaviors and define two groups of people who actually subscribe to one belief system or another.

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

That doesn’t stop certain websites from banning users for posting pro conservative posts.

[SmokinAces2000]

Would you care to list some examples of “pro conservative” posts that were banned

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

LMAO, if anyone has a delusional disorder it’s you pal. The stuff you say on this website is something else and I don’t mean that in a good way.

Most of the stuff you say is laughable but what I do find scary is how you left wingers like to weaponize psychology and psychiatry to attack anyone who disagrees with you.

You say I can’t articulate any of my points even though I have but you are so indoctrinated by left wingers politics that you assume that anything else that you don’t agree with is wrong.

Tell me, if there isn’t a war against males and masculinity why are there males being given involuntary estrogen shots?
www.google.com/.../article244244777.html

[ADFSDF1996]

Simply showing support for Trump.

[SmokinAces2000]

Thats a lie 😂 I’ve seen many people on social media endorsing Trump and not getting banned, when I see them getting banned it’s because they are peddling conspiracy theories or just straight up saying ignorant things; Someone isn’t going to get banned or censored for saying “Trump 2024”

[ADFSDF1996]

“Everything I don’t agree with is a conspiracy theory”.

[SmokinAces2000]

When did I say that 😂😂😂

[RolandCuthbert]

@adfsdf1996 The stuff I say on this website I say in every meetup, to my friends, to my family and my employees and clients. The stuff you say on this website is what you repeat while muttering to yourself when you clean you guns. Almost everything you post here, you wouldn't dare to repeat in public. You are only fooling yourself. You see, the delusion is starts with being disingenuous. If you don't say this stuff to your boss, your friends or your family, then you are living a lie. Because the only place you are genuine is here.

I don't have to worry about that. I don't play the anonymous game and if you want to see, you can come to our public meetup just so we can see your insanity in plain out in the daytime. Freaks only come out night.

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

*Yawn* more Typical assumptions, you can’t even form a valid counter argument without resorting to ad hominems. Such pitiful behavior on your part.

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

You implied it

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 I didn’t imply anything you just assumed

[RolandCuthbert]

Asumptions? Dude, you have no response because it is dead on accurate. All of you are great pretenders. That's why you engage in self-delusion. You say this batshit crazy nonsense on the net, free from consequences because you can be anonymous. When you go nuts and do something regrettable in public, everyone is surprised. . . because you kept your true self hidden because of your cowardice.

Being disingenuous is self-delusion and again. . . delusion is the pathway to madness.

So be mad, that I don't have worry about it.

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert More ramblings and faulty assumptions on your part.

You see, one of the differences between you and me is that I have friends from both sides of the political spectrum. I don’t use political differences to determine individual. As you, it’s the opposite. You automatically vilify anyone who doesn’t share your political views

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000
“ when I see them getting banned it’s because they are peddling conspiracy theories or just straight up saying ignorant things; ”

That’s what you said.

[SmokinAces2000]

That doesn’t imply that things I disagree with, I think are conspiracy theories 😂 it means that’s what I see

[RolandCuthbert]

How in the world can you have friends on both sides? In your batshit theory, there are only two types of people. . . liberals and your fake version of Conservatism. And every single day you rant about liberals. . . somehow hundreds of millions. . . even billions of people subscribe to a single belief system requiring belief in two thousand contradictory nonsensical tenets.

This is in direct opposition to your narrow extremist list of ideals. And that's how the entire human race is defined in your opinion.

And you have the nerve to say someone else is rambling.

How about this idea? Maybe people don't give a crap about your bathshit insane ranting nonsense and they just are who they are? Maybe some folks hate abortion, but don't want to enforce it by law. Maybe some folks hate the gay lifestyle, but mind them getting married. Maybe a person is a fiscal conservative no matter what. No matter what request comes to him/her about spending, military, social programs, healthcare. . . they will not budge unless the program is paid for without raising taxes.

I mean, I could go on. But why be disingenuous? That ain't you. You believe that people are in two extremists camps because all you are is extremist nonsense. Most folks are not like you. They don't hate people based on political beliefs and they don't pretend batshit insane conspiracy nonsense belongs in rational discussion.

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

Now you are back peddling

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert

Aside from your faulty assumptions, you are also using a false dichotomy.

Ironically you are the one ranting, not me.

[SmokinAces2000]

ADFSDF1996 how am I backpedaling? 😂

[RolandCuthbert]

Its funny, your only defense after years of nonsensical rants is that you are constantly misunderstood.

Nah man. We knew you before you knew you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7RTUEZMyg

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

Look at you, you can’t even form valid counter arguments. All you are doing is acting like a “edgy” gen z teenager by using this emoji 😂

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert Nah you are still spouting off nonsense and deluding yourself by thinking you know more than you actually do. You making unwarranted assumptions about people only tarnishes your credibility.

Besides aren’t you the one who frequently tries to defend communism?

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 no I’m just laughing at how stupid you sound 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000 The only dummy here is you pal.

Tell me, if liberals care about self defense then why don’t many blue states have stand your ground laws?

You can’t even answer simple political questions because you are ignorant when it comes to politics. Hence your smart ass attitude.

[SmokinAces2000]

You are the one still trying to argue on a question that was made like a month ago I don’t even remember what this is about 😂

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

I’m not the one who keeps replying with the same nonsense.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not nonsense you just don’t know when to stop. Me and RolandCuthbert both ripped your argument to shreds but you are still trying to argue a weak point

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

You really are delusional aren’t you. It was the other way around. All you guys did was resort to ad hominems because you had no valid counter arguments.

[ADFSDF1996]

@SmokinAces2000

You can’t even answer the simple question I just asked you. Pathetic

[weeee]

Ill tell you this, it's always the leftists and liberals i see rallying for change, be it civil rights or women's suffrage.

I don't see conservatives coming up with new talking points like that. I always see a lot of them fetishizing the past. Like they dont want change and want reality to be permanently stuck.

I'm not a conservative obviously, but if you are one i would really love to hear your insight. Because to me opposing any change that ever takes place in society at all times is not healthy.

[torken]

Under 30 and conservative? No heart. Over 30 and still liberal? No brain.

Its an old saying but it holds water. Here's the thing, in your youth you believe in all these things, and you (and your generation) will fight most of your young adult lives to put these changes into practice, and that's great!

But then... the younger people behind you will hate what you've built and will want to change it. You fought hard for your society and will want it to stay the same. You'll find yourself wanting to CONSERVE what you build...

[ManOnFire]

I agree. Conservatives still have very antiquated ideas and feelings in a world that has changed a lot since the 1950s. These people still literally believe that guns and militias would be effective if Russia or China were to ever really invade the U. S. The first thing these nations would do is disable our Internet and power connections before firing one bullet. Rifles and cigarettes will be useless if you can't call home and check up on your family, or try to communicate with your buddies in the backwoods, or to even know what's going on period.

I do not agree with every "liberal" concept either, especially 'cancel culture,' but the conservative thought process is one that does favor white nationalism, ungodly evangelism, and old, tired, backward ideas. Arizona is actually trying to bring back the gas chamber, and that is truly sick and sad.

[Jaysonava]

Conservatism is a philosophy which vindicated a natural order of things. And that preserving the natural order reduces the problems that arise with radical change.

So conservatives claim their ideas are based on nature.

In practice in the USA it is just a hypocritical stance that has come to promote poor eating and food habits by insisting the government not involve itself in discouraging the fast food industry.

And this weird idea that rich people are venture capitalists who are the enemy of the government. Rather than part of the ruling class.

[Stoner710]

To conservatives a way of life that has worked for hundreds of thousands of years. Think every idea or government from 1776 on ward has failed, Communism leads to death and starvation. Fascism leads to death and starvation and war. Classical liberalism leader to peace and prosperity and less violence just leave people alone and they will figure it out. Unless your a millennial and then in which case you’re fucked

[noohair]

You sound young and dumb. And if you don't embrace the right of everyone to think freely, you will regret the day when your ideas become unfashionable. Your freedom to think like a narrowminded person was paid for with the blood of someone you never met.

[SmokinAces2000]

When did I say someone couldn’t think freely; What I said was “what is the point of conservatism”

[noohair]

If you can't comprehend that their are healthy points of view that are different than your view, I pity you.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Totally depends on what's being conserve.

Heritage, country, established culture, ethnicity, justice, fairness, righteous and good laws and anything that is proper should be conserve and stay intact.

Laws, cultures and outdated systems that do harm to a modern world should be disregard and replace with a better sysyem to benefit the people as a whole.

[Savage_Wisdom]

There are a whole lot of points, but at the core of it, concervativism is the political belief that the government should have as little say in the personal private everyday lives of its citizens.

[normalice]

It exists as a "division generator" to keep the poor fighting each other over exaggerated grievances and cultural puritanism while the rich print more money for themselves.

[Oigit]

Both sides of the coin are division generators. To bring about any worthwhile changes it is going to take people from both sides coming together and working as a single group. Given how easily Conservatism and Liberalism foster division it's not hard to see why both sides are still so far from bringing about any real change they claim to want. Instead of the changes both claim to want we are stuck with a never ending squabbling between both sides.

Also it does not matter what side of the coin you are on. If you are not one of the few rich you speak of, you are victims of them. The ugly true if that people on both sides of coin are more unified in that then anything else.

[normalice]

Not really. You need only look to see who the 'both sides' argument is ever used in defense of: conservatives. No one ever says "both sides" to defend a Democrat.

[Rangers]

Preserving the progress we've made through hundreds of years of bloodshed and tireless work to make, not allowing regressives to ruin it all.

[weeee]

So how is further progress achieved?

[Rangers]

Preventing the regression of society that so called "progressives" are trying to create, and drain the swamp in areas where our founding principles aren't being upheld nor protected.

[weeee]

... and that didn't answer my question. If all you do is preserve, how will you achieve further progress? Who makes the new values and ideals as the times change?

[Snakeyes7]

The Republican congress members are useless. However, the right still needs to exist to keep society questioning itself. Otherwise we will just be frogs boiling in a pot with the heat higher than it has ever been before.

[Anonymous]

LOL, you and your sides brought us the disaster of defunding the police. The conservatives already knew that would end in disaster. You still don't see the folly of your ways. Your side would destroy the country if there were no conservatives

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 I don’t know what side you’re referring too because I’m not a Republican or Democrat and I just asked a question which you didn’t answer by the way

[Opinion Owner]

Yes I did and you are a BLM Marxist.

[SmokinAces2000]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[IncognitoBandito]

Most isms fall apart if you spend any time thinking about them. Life is about changing practicalities in the midst of avoiding chaos.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Meanwhile, liberalism and socialism has been destroying cities in the United States for decades.

[joeldalton]

lol. yeah, we should let you lunatics run the asylum. that always works out well.

[888theGreat]

You will see how important it is when US economy collapses because of liberal polices. dollar = $0 which means stocks will be $0

[OddBeMe]

Don’t ever think it was about conservation. Just covert racism.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

REAL conservatism, doesn't exist anymore