If the government can draft you and order you into battle where you are likely to die, why then do you think they cannot require you to get the vaccine?
They claim the govt does not have the power-obviously it does! That is long settled law-the Supreme Court ruled the govt CAN require you to get vaccinated despite your paranoia. Ironically, the state with the strictest vaccine laws is Mississippi-with everything except Covid which they went the opposite way. They obviously feel it id worth the lives of its citizens in order to “ own the libs”.
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@ypufuknutz this is MY post. I’m not following you around. You chose to comment on my post. And no one is scared of your bullsh*t threats , either here or IRL. No one is intimidated when a mouse roars.
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@yofuknuytz you are babbling incoherently and citing some Bible verse doesn’t somehow prove anything other than you have some messianic zeal All your symptoms point to serious mental illness. I am not speaking politically here. Your posts indicate severe psychosis. I say this not to insult you but to urge you to seek help
If the government can draft you and order you into battle where you are likely to die, why then do you think they cannot require you to get the vaccine?
Because it is not a power granted to the President absent Congressional authority, and in any case is not specifically granted to Washington at all. Thus, the case against such a mandate at the Federal level is quite strong.
To start, the Constitution stipulates, under the 10th Amendment, that any power not specifically granted to the Federal government is reserved to the states "or to the people." The latter provision typically being interpreted as meaning local government. To be sure, Federal authority has been read somewhat broadly in the 20th and 21st centuries, with some implied powers being read into the general provision.
That said, as an historical matter, health regulations in general have been under the jurisdiction of state and local government. Most health laws being state or local in origin. The only exceptions have been cases of interstate commerce as well as the authority of the Federal government over Federal employees and indirectly those entities that contract with the Federal government. Plus, more recently, to a limited extent, for the beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid.
(Also, it should be added that the approval of all drugs - including vaccines - for sale and distribution, is in the hands of the Federal government. This deriving again from the Federal government's power to regulate interstate commerce.)
This is why the President, in announcing his "mandate" is attempting to impose it through OSHA health regulations. That is that he is attempting to impose the mandate via the authority of the Federal government to maintain workplace safety - this power too being implicit in the Federal government's authority to regulate interstate commerce.
Thus also why the Administration is imposing the mandate only on those companies with 100 or more employees. Assuming that smaller companies will be, on average, less likely to engage in interstate commerce.
Suffice to say, the Biden Administration, in attempting to impose a vaccine mandate is, at the very least, attempting to thread the constitutional needle. At the most basic level, the President would seem to be, prima facie, exceeding the authority of the Executive branch. He is acting without Congressional authorization - please note that the President cannot draft anyone absent Congressional authorization - and is assuming a power not specifically authorized under the Constitution in any event.
However, that said, there is enough room for interpretation such that the case will have to be argued in the courts.
As far as the likely outcome of such a case is concerned, at the level of the Supreme Court the tendency of the Court, historically speaking, has been to give deference to the elected branches. However, as the President has made the penalty for failing to comply with the mandate the potential loss of employment, that will likely be viewed as going too far. Consequently, it is more likely than not that the President's mandate will be, at the end of a fairly lengthy process, struck down.
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It affects interstate commerce therefore squarely within Congress’s Section 8 powers. The 10th Amendment is not keyed
That will be for the courts to decide. Yours is a rather expansive view of interstate commerce.
That said, interestingly, in 1905, the Supreme Court ruled that the states could impose vaccine requirements. Note, however, it was a power granted to the states and NOT the Federal government.
Actually my "expansive view" of interstate commerce is long settled Constitutional law. See Wickard v. Filburn. And go to law school and practice law before you opine on things you know nothing about. I did.
Well, I guess we shall see. There is no precedent for Federal intervention for vaccines. (By the way, I am not opposed. I simply note that the law in this area - your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding - is NOT settled.)
Oh, and by the way. I have worked in Washington since the late 1980s - including for several Members of Congress. I am not unfamiliar with these matters.
P. S. By the by, while it may turn out that the Federal government has the authority to impose a vaccine mandate, that still leaves the question if the President may do so via his regulatory authority absent specific Congressional authorization.
My views tend to the Hamiltonian - "Energy in the Executive is the essence of good government." However, this may be a step too far.
So while the Wickard v. Filburn case you cited is of relevance, it does not fully address the question at issue.
Mr. Wannabe cop lawyer boy left nut anonymous the only expanding here is your ashole from the pounding that everybody has given you here. I have never see anybody got this roasted alive on their own post.
First off the government has no rights as rights are reserved for the people… second there is too a draft. Just cause their not calling in it don’t mean it’s forgotten. Their working on putting women in the draft…
I don't know what you understand what the draft is. Selective service aka the draft is where all MALES 18-25 HAVE to enlist but will only be called upon in the event of a draft.
And rights are guaranteed to individuals by the constitution not to organizations or government.
@VanillaSalt So if the government can draft males. . . it doesn't have the right to do so?
Maybe you need to get a dictionary. The definition we refer to is. . . a legal entitlement to obtain something or act in a certain way.
That is what the government claims, whether you can recognize it or not. The government maintains the legal right, you know. . . the right by law. . . to conscript its population.
Why you see the need to argue over needless syntax is beyond me.
Ok then… the first amendment gives us to right to speak our minds… yet we can’t tell fire… can’t threaten… again you argued there is no draft your words… also you argued rights of the government but they can’t currently legally conscript women
Get ready for war because that’s next a full out right war between the government and its people. People don’t think some of us won’t revolt? We’re already quitting our jobs and careers / mass exodus of jobs because we won’t comply. They can ban us from grocery stores , power off the lights , and whatever we have guns and there will be a full blown revolutionary war. Anyone who took these vaccines are in trouble any time health care workers are quitting.
I quit my job because of the mandates - it’s time for blood shed -anyone whose ok with what’s going on you’re part of the problem too and stupid to trust the government
I feel sorry for anyone who took this poison if you honestly think the government cares for you -you’re in trouble 96% of medical doctors aren’t vaccinated it was a poll done out of 300 doctors and 80-90% of nurses aren’t vaccinated most of us are quitting doctors too
I wish I could take you seriously but… I’ve seen the “revolutionary’s”. Half the countries been pussified. Coward and weaklings that melt when bad words are used and need safe spaces… women are too afraid of walking in dark alleys much less stepping up to war so there’s another half the population nearly useless… no on the contrary women not only won’t be effective fighters overall but will be a weakness to the men that care for them bringing down the Patriots that still believe in everything prior this modern bullshit… I know your an amazing American woman who can stand with the men but most women are not like you… let’s also not forget the children which tend to be the true weakness to our society… death of children means the death of our people… these normal Americans will choose family over a country that has already basically fallen.
You can’t beat an idea. Half our country supported this idiot in office. They refuse to meet at the table is more likely we win by killing them all then changing their minds… if we do win an election until we stop the media, big business, and enforce our laws with cruelty and accountability these people won’t change… and our sides too… weak? To do that. We’re against the left, the media, big business, most politicians including republicans, and the “fanatical” in major positions of power like nsa, fbi, atf, Congress, the house… he’ll even large companies that control major portions of the economy like Walmart… if they decide you need a vaccine to shop there then they control like for a major portion of Americans…
I’m partial to small government. Bring back mutual combat and let people be accountable and govern themselves in their day to day. The government manages safety and quality of like and the state micromanages for the federal government to more precisely direct the state in the direction of society in the individual states… the federal government was never meant to control it all and definitely not through mandates
Yet here we are… forced to mandate up for more than a year and nobody’s really done anything but talk. And it’s silenced because the media we do control isn’t throwing this shit up… nvm the multitudes of issues at once… government overreach, difference between the sexes, covid, Political disagreement, lack of accountability, lack of self awareness, lack of anything like the suffering other countries have to deal with, etc. I don’t trust the government to have my best interest anymore, I don’t like the Democrats nor do I think discussions even an option with them anymore, I don’t see women and think here’s something worth defending, I don’t see a country worth defending anymore because the fact is so many want this turmoil. I have the least faith in the people… all people. Your all selfish, and quite frankly most are ignorant. But your all weak period… without coming together you can’t beat the government and you’ll never pull the people together because of all the issues I pointed out above.
And what about people who their doctor says they can't take it? If we follow your logic even in a draft some failed to make the standards and were sent home. Not punished just told they were what was needed.
With all the crazies about I would trust a lot of them with a weapon. How about we send all the illegals who can earn their citizenship by serving in the military? That way they will have a job and get an education with the GI Bill.
They would get an exemption. And their vulnerability makes it more imperative that the rest take it so heed immunity can be reached and we can stop wearing masks. We’d be there now if it weren’t for fools trying to “own the libs”
The 10th amendment reserves all power for states not specifically given to the federal government by the states, including the power to make laws relating to public health. The 14th amendment limits government policing powers and places a limit on that power to protect people's civil liberties. The constitution is the law of the land. Any law that violates the constitution is illegal. Therefore the federal government has no authority period. It doesn’t matter what you think, at the end of the day you are wrong. If the federal government wants to precede down that path, then they are in breach of contract. If they try to cross state lines and violate the rights of citizens of a particular state, they will be met with force by local national guard along with a well armed citizenry. Additional the federal government is a charter member to multiple international treaties and thus are bound by internal law to certain terms. As a Nuremberg Charter member it is centennial that all human subjects of medical trials are voluntary. Thus why you had to sign a waiver to get your experimental vaccine candidate. The federal government is also party to the Biological Weapons Convention. If they were to forcefully use a experimental vaccine candidate of biological nature (mRNA, DNA viral vector, protein sub-unit, etc.) against their own populous it would be considered a biological attack. The minimum sentence under international law is a life sentence and the death penalty is a more likely ruling. The federal government knows the rules and the penalties for violating those rules, they just talk big to try to pressure people into volunteering… They’re a paper tiger, a bag of hot air, they have no power so cut out the bullshit and eat a dick China. If you want to test us, come march on our state fat man and we’ll pile you and your friends up at the border.
yeah, good luck with that. A bunch of morbidly obese asshat rednecks who think they are John Wayne would crap their diapers when faced with real troops. And the attempted coup on Jan 6 show the military will not back your fascist attempts to do so. You are a loser. Your Cheeto is a loser.
Ah yeah people that work hard labor for a living are morbidly obese… Yeah that’s how exercise works you common core failure. News flash, service based industries where people ride out their days in a soft cushy chair are urban based. People that do hard work for a living, generally live in more rural areas where you find mines, timber, farms, iron works, etc. You should really get off your block and see the world you shelter nitwit. Just look at the map, those in the north east around New York are pussy pink soft little bitches with no war experience, and those around Florida are blood red. Per capita there are far more military veterans that are professionally trained solders many of which who are able to run better gear after they leave the service and who improve their marksmanship with years of practice. You really know nothing you fat ass soft dough boy. You should stick to masturbating to transsexuals and hentai you fluffy neck beard.
^^^^ don't waste your time with anonymous aka Mr. Shortman70, he is trying on his diet, he passed up free doughnuts 🍩 by my door, he really is trying. Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😹 .
It obviously doesn't; read the damn thirteenth amendment. The ruling of Arver vs United States was little more than "everyone else does it", and the sexual discrimination component was due to get it thrown out when it went before the Supreme Court last year, but the lawyer leading the charge was murdered and Biden pressed the Court to not hear the case "until Congress has the chance to resolve it" and they agreed- for now.
Also, battle slavery is tolerated because it exclusively affects the young- target EVERYBODY and you'll find out that no, people actually CARE when you're going to force them to take an experimental drug. That plus guns equals "ends badly". Hell, let it go to court- "vaccine" has a strict technical as well as legal definition, and while Trump could change what the laws say, he can't change a technical definition. The issue goes to court, the whole EUA would get thrown out.
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Trump cannot “change what the laws say” even if he was President (and don’t say he is-he lost. He is a loser). The President can enforce existing law which is what President Biden is doing. The 13th Amendment is inapplicable here, especially given an “Originalist” interpretation which most of the Right Wing Supremes claimed to be when they were being confirmed.
^^^^ he didn't lose the election was rigged especially in Arizona going blue a cowboy pro-gun state going blue I don't think so you people got stupid and greedy should have left Arizona alone it would have been tougher to spot you idiots but you see at the end they're all greedy this is what college education brings us a demonic crappy Democrat yeah okay
If they reinstate the draft, those who are chosen will be vaccinated, regardless. Don't want you to die before you can get shot or blown up. If the politicians would've stayed out of this and quit pushing most people who could get the shot would. Once you start telling someone they have to do something, they will get belligerent and fight every step. Just ask my wife, she's been telling me I gotta do stuff for years and I'll work twice as hard to not do it than it would take to just do it. But what fun would that be?
Why? Bodily autonomy, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Neuremberg Code (1947), and in the case of the USA the Constitution. Anyone who tries to inject me or mine with a DNA altering bioweapon is going to die. They and whoever sent them. I am one of millions of veterans who hold that view. Most veterans are completely opposed to conscription, too. You are being lied to. Mainly Democrats are the ones who are stupid enough to believe the lies, as they are sleep walked into Auschwitz.
Aren't you clever. They can't draft women... even though men and women are the same (aren't they? Because on MSNBC they said "settled science" so...🤔) and they can't draft kids under 18 nor men over 35. And, like Muhammad ali you could opt for a short prison sentence and still not go to war.
The Soviet government could, the Chinese government can, the Cuban and north Korean government can... but the US government cannot... legally. You're as dumb as a Nazi guard. "I was just obeying orders."
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They can draft women and old men if they wish. They currently do not register them but they absolutely have the power to draft them. Congress created the laws. Most observers think that if they reactivate the draft then women would be included as well. I’m always amused by amateurs like yourself who confidently proclaim things they know nothing about.
All conjecture. But beyond this trivial bs... things are going to get heated... last year is nothing. There won't be a draft to fight anywhere else. There won't need to be.
Oh you are one of the treasonous types who want to overthrow the Constitutionally elected government because the American people rejected your Cheeto God!
Mr. Anonymous is not so anonymous you lucky I was having a slow day yesterday bad internet connection what happens when you were on vacation overseas hey everybody let's do the Amish on this guy just turned it back on him and where were you find him expose him for what he is. Communist sympathizer who is anti-religious and pretending to be well basically nothing people like you are the reason why you know what that's fine mr. Anonymous I told your ass you're not the anonymous have a nice day sweetie.
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For someone turning their back you sure seem obsessed!
LE Surveillance indicates no donuts, nor have phone taps or internet usage show any orders from your IP address. Please expand on your plans to overthrow the constitutionally elected government. Be sure to impress us with the firepower you have amassed by listing them all, registered or unregistered, legally acquired or not.
@yofuknutz I TOTALLY OWN space in your head! I am still here-why haven't you exercised your alleged might and have me kicked off. Could it be that you are Full of Sh*t?
That's funny I call my ISP no activity and how could you have a phone tap if I'm out of the country on vacation get more pussy than you could ever get with your gay ass hand and the donuts my neighbors has throw it out the ants all over it the fuck is wrong with you you're just mad because I exposed your duplicate profile you're nobody nobody here likes you on your own post you know how fucked-up that is I own your fucking you $5 Payless Shoe booty hunting Want To Be Cops you ain't nobody I never said any about overthrowing the government I said the mood is out and there are these days nobody wants to listen to you guys anymore you know why. I already found out about you I hope you like rubber dogshit
@yofuknutz your ISP is not permitted to inform you when LE puts a tap on you. Your treasonous posts and threatened gun violence was more than sufficient OC for a warrant. The search will come when you least expect it. We totally own you
Listen here shit for brains I never said anything about guns or using them the other guy was yakking about having lots of them which could mean a lot of things personally if I was him I would never say how many or not I have so nice try you're the treasonous scumbag trying to pretend you're a cop doesn't make you one oh yeah that's also illegal it's not my fault did not get the donuts the fire ants took it away they're going to wait for you and your empty threats I guess you can always wait till I get back from vacation you said they were coming shortly that was yesterday what what's the delay oh that's right there is nothing there but your conjecture plus I'm working on a Wire and you're stepping on it get the fuck off loser you ain't nobody you're just an evil ass hole and I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ when you wind up in hell remember you wanted this fuck it phony you ain't got nothing why don't you go after b l m and and antifa riots yeah I thought so fucking loser have a nice one mr. Short man
I totally own you. I’m trying to help you by raising your blood pressure till you stroke out. That way you can avoid doing the time your treason calls for. Just a few more rants of yours should do the trick. Btw-everyone at the field office thinks you are hilarious They are already suggesting cell mates for you.
So is it OC or PC, can you make up your mind oh that's right you don't have one see there you go again threatening rape under the color of law see that's how I know you the street will open up on you someday I've seen it happen too the shit just comes out of nowhere oh yeah so who am I what's my name what's my address that's if you even have the right one jerk off that's what your father should have done instead of being with your mom you $2 piece of shit
So you're looking at me for some reason allegedly there's a guy a couple of posts down here talking about "you'll never take him alive that he will pull the pin" or some shit like that how come you're not bothering him because you know he's fucking serious he will do it too and you're too much of a punk ass to deal with him so instead you're coming around to me that's how I know you're a government sympathizer or government scumbag trust me my friend you are irrelevant always has been and always will be it doesn't matter what government it is Canada Mexico us China doesn't matter you all suck you have to go around stealing from people cuz you're not a real man you got to go out and steal for a living you better go find somebody else to fuck with asshole try the grenade guy below me he's a couple posts down ring his Bell see if you got the balls for it.
@yofuknutz that’s the way! Just a few more points up on your bp and given your pathetic physique you’ll stroke out. One or two more rants should do. It. It would save the agents from having to raid your house and exposing your extensive gay pornography collection.
So what about the guy below me you know the grenade fella are you even looking at him see this is how I know you're full of fucking shit I have a pretty good physique I don't have a gay porn collection unless you were trying to hack into my account was that you posing as a financial institution do you know how fucking illegal that is but you're a piece of shit I even sent that to text message you're a piece of shit don't you have any better else to do you should collect welfare and stop your scams really do the work force of favor retire or leave or disappear fuck out my face you see you don't know my name you don't know my address or even the correct one you don't know mother fucking shit bitch and you have done much more illegal stuff hack into people's accounts calling for people to get raped in prison you're the treasonous bastard that's why you're a piece of shit Democrat and you always will be when the Street opens up on you I would love to see that YouTube video have a nice day fleabag the fuck out of here
Oh no I'm going to see what you say next so I got have a nice lawsuit and I have a history of doing that when the government fucks up they got to pay up you see all those YouTube videos of police department's I have to pay people out-of-court settlement because the stupid Pig sick cop like you fucked up you're not even a real cop you're a two-bit hacker
You’re lying about that just like you lied about having “power” to kick me off this platform. You ate a pathetic loser who can only issue empty threats as he rages in his impotence. It’s one reason you have no friends and people laugh at you.
Oh yeah I have the power I don't have the final power that's up to the administration here you see if you want that people on your side there is a better way to do it your way is it's pissing on people that's why you got one guy bragging about how many weapons he has was it's not a good idea but that's his choice to say that and you have another guy a couple of post below who wants to "take you out with a grenade" hey even I don't invoke that kind of response from people you are a special kind of asshole with your special spot in hell. So you don't know my name you don't know my address or at least a correct one is there a reason for that wait that's right you're not real real would have been at my door by now and trust me when I say I have passive aggressive and aggressive alarm and Protection Systems up in my place and I know every single person that comes on the property and I know who belongs there and I know who doesn't belong there and I have chased people off the property who I knew did not belong there including cops even they don't bother me anymore don't you have those people coming from Afghanistan to investigate these people are hardcore that if they are falling off the airplane that shows you how hardcore they check them out boy you don't even know what o c or PC is the fuck out of my face look if you want to fuck me why don't you ask me out instead of all this drama on here so you claim your own me what would you like me to do for you I don't do windows and I don't suck dick so whatcha want boy speak like a man
Why would I-or anyone-want to f*ck you? You probably copulate with animals because no human would find you anything but repulsive. You are filled with big talk but can never follow through with your empty threats. It’s because you are a loser. If you don’t like hearing these things quit commenting on my posts. I don’t comment on yours-you’re not worth following. All exchanges between us grew out of your comments on my posts. I will continue to post truth while you impotently rage until you burst a blood vessel and rid this world of your odious existence.
I thought you wanted something from me you said you own me so what you want you're not even man enough to tell me you're a punk a pimp and you don't even know my name but I figured out who you are nice try with a double duplicate profile and I'm not the only one on to you not that it's me it's quite a few people here that don't like the post don't like the way you do things you got a guy talking about weapons you got a guy talk about pulling the pin that's pretty serious but yet you keep trying to push a narrative on me I have gotten cops fired in the past I don't know if you are real badge or not I think you're fake
Again you're being a punk you said your own me that's your claim so what do you want from me you're the failure you got everybody here that wants a piece of your ass some guy claiming to one to pull the pin Breaking Bad Style you know the nursing home one post you piss off everybody on here
I'm not the one that's talking about pulling the pin on something why you comment on his post because you're not a real man you're a punk are you trying to extort me that's illegal so what's my name what's my address you said they were coming yesterday what's the holdup you're a Democrat you're a liar a you're a bum
Because the court has already ruled that states have the right to force vaccination (at least for a disease with a much higher death rate than covid), and powers not enumerated to the federal government are reserved for the states.
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You are in error since it effects interstate travel (commerce) it is squarely within Congress’ enumerated powers (See US Constitution. Article 1, Section 8. And by virtue of the supremacy clause Federal Law overrules state law. If you want to see the reasoning behind it research Federal Preemption.
Federalism is quite literally the reservation of powers to the states unless specifically granted to the national government by the Constitution. The national government can regulate interstate commerce, but this does not give it power to regulate anything that affects economic activity.
Whoever finds out this guy this account needs to be deactivated trying to swap people is also illegal I'm about to find out who you are treasonous scum
This whole vaccine mandate is just Democrats showing everyone who is boss, and if you disagree with them, they will send men with guns to your home or place or business and shoot you.
They're just seeing who will give them trouble with the pandemic as an excuse. They are all ready calling antivaxxing the next form of drunk driving, although they dismiss that people who have the vaccine can still transmit the virus to others.
I have plenty of guns and ammo let’s go any citizens want to join you’ll get dealt with too one by me Democrats run shyt furthermore Joes entrance in the WH is null and we have no president under treason acts
What supreme court ruling was this, and how does it have anything to do with the selective service system?
If there was an existing supreme court ruling allowing for forced vaccination of the general population, it would've been invoked long ago, and the federal government wouldn't need to (falsely) rely on random agencies and misleading data to push a narrative.
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People who demand that the population be vaccinated against their will are fascists.
If people want to get it the shots that's perfectly fine. I also believe the same about the draft. It is wrong. And just because the Supreme Court may rule it legal, doesn't mean it's morally right. Such as slavery, the Supreme Court said that slavery was legal, but we know that they were morally wrong. Just as your argument is morally wrong.
We also know that there are people who are not able to get these shots because of some pre-existing conditions. And people who have gone through the covid sickness already have a much better natural immunity than those who have taken the vaccine from the studies coming out of countries like Israel, which happen to have one of the most advanced health care systems in the world. And yes I am aware that Israel required the vaccine. But America is not Israel. We must always let people have the choice about what they put into their bodies.
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And furthermore, your logic shows that you believe that you are here to serve the government. But the government is (especially in the United States) supposed to serve the people.
The Italian government, that is the country where I live and of which I am a citizen, said that I cannot be enlisted even in the event of war (it was the penultimate year of compulsory conscription). The country's constitution makes it clear that vaccines can be made mandatory by law. Regarding the case of forced conscription, when it existed everyone was required to be vaccinated, no one has ever complained or refused to be vaccinated. Until this nonsense came from the US.
Yes, that is my opinion. And it's an important one. Law and governance is not static. By raising moral and philosophical objections, laws can change over time. What is 'factually' the case now may not be in the future, dependent upon people discussing their opinions openly. Not sure why you are getting so bristly about this.
Or maybe not he are just wrong lol I don't know what logical fallacy it is but I bet this is one.
People had a HUGE problem with being forced to fight in a stupid war over communism in the jungle.
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Nevertheless fight they did-or flee to Canada. If they stayed they did 5 years in a Federal Prison. Someone earlier said that the Constitution guarantees Bodily Autonomy. That also is hogwash. There is no such provision in the US Constitution
They want me to fight for this country which has forsaken me and so many others in my shoes? Good luck getting me to march off to die to defend worthless, filthy, mega corporations CEOs and entitled adult children.
It's too bad you weren't around in the 1700s to tell the U. S. founding fathers how they should just follow King George's orders and stfu.
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*yawn* George Washington required his troops to be vaccinated during the winter at Valley Forge. Save your MAGA fantasies that you are in any way comparable to a patriot. Jan 6 revealed that MAGA are traitors.
@yofuknutz Governments were forcing people into military service for eons... not my fault that OP chose to make an analogy using military conscription.
^^^^they ONLY gave the vaccine to rich pricks the only OTHER time they gave the vaccine was if there was a case going around and like (rabies later on) they could herd immunity a ring around patient zero. They could not afford to vaccinate everybody only those around sick people have a nice day
@yofuknutz George Washington vaccinated the Continental Army at Valley Forge. So sorry the facts do not allign with your preferred narrative. I suspect this is nothing new for you though.
I'm an expert in history and the version your reading is wrong they can only afford the ring Theory at that time so unless they stole vaccine supplies from the British army which is a possibility
A draft is during a time of war. The current Supreme Court being referenced was a ruling was from 100 years ago. Which was a very different time. Many people did not have equal rights- woman, gays, blacks… it’s not going to hold up in court.
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Riiiggghhuttt….. and the Supreme Court is going to appoint Trump President. Your predictions are the fever dreams of an ignorant and fevered mind
And a draft is whenever a majority vote of Congress passes one-not only in times of war. However, almost all drafts are predatory to involvement in a war
From a hundred years ago-that’s called “long settled law”. Now it’s a fact that the shameful 5 right wing “Justices” have no respect for precedent. But it’s the law of the land right now
^^^ you don't like the Supreme Court I guess that makes you a terrorist are you so kind of retard from Brooklyn maybe your mother was yenta drove your crazy with her ramblings? Tell your mom I say hi she must have been a horror first class to push a fucker like you out?
It's pretty unlikely for the draft to ever become active again. It would be political and economic suicide. The majority of people would probably protest it..
Theyll need a draft if there's a war. Are you saying an actual war between two major countries is unlikely to ever happen again? Why? Because of nukes?
@Lyubyets I didn't say that. It's just unlikely they will use the draft. There's been many wars since the draft was last used. They will just continue to use people who willingly signed up to fight wars.
@Lyubyets it is statistically unlikely. I'm not saying there won't be it's just all signs and statistics point to an incredibly slim chance of a war in need of a draft happening in the next 100 years.
Id agree that it is unlikely a war will happen anytime soon between major nations though all it takes is for some piece of shit in government to be like yeah i dont care if they have a million nukes or just 1 im going to blast their ass but for the most part there is the nuclear deterrent theory which is if i have 50 nukes and everyone else has 50 or more nukes im get my ass handed to me if we both drop a nuke their is no winner and its human nature to want to win something and that's exactly what every other country is thinking like i said though it takes only one dick head to be like yeah i dont care im just going to nuke the world anyway and of course if one person sets nuke off then the domino effect will kick in and everyone will set one off but at this moment in time everyone is waiting for someone else to make the first move and therefore nobody making a move that's essentially what's going on at the moment
m33lad is a coward that chose to block me instead or presenting arguments. Anyone that at this point still doesn't take the vaccine after it has time to proven itself safe and effective is a moron. That includes @yofuknutz. Even more now that he just said Nazis are as bad as Jews.
So if you people learn how to behave yourselves would not be making statements like that I grew up in a mixed bag Jewish neighborhood and I saw the never ending mental illness drama that was totally unnecessary complaining about every little thing so if you have a race of people that are getting kicked out of every country you got to look at their behavior whine whine whine all day long that shitt gets played out. And for the alleged cop or lawyer on here where the fuck was he where I was getting threatened and my children to where the fuck was he that's how you know he's half a fucking fag where was he that's against the law isn't it especially with children involved so I went to the place where the threat Used to work, abandoned shut down. I even posted a review saying what this guy did and you fucking people nothing come after me you better go out to that guy to you don't get to threatening people their children you don't get to do that and sit back and do nothing and if that's why our government encourages it needs to be replaced and needs to go maybe an app to run it better I don't know and that is our constitutional right if you don't fucking like it move your worthless ass to Canada. Don't tell me about the vaccine I see people and pharmacies all day long getting the vaccine but yet we still have a high infection rate I got friends in Southeast Asia who got the Chinese vaccine they're not doing so good either so please stop lying don't tell me any more bullshit you're the one with a mental illness fucking malfunctioning race.
@yofuknutz You compared Nazis to them. And your justification is that the Jews you knew complained a lot? So you are comparing what Nazis did to complaining a lot? Wow!
About the rest I understood basically nothing aside from the last part about the vaccine. I really have no idea to what situation you are referring to.
About the vaccine feel free to look at the effects that it had in countries that actually have mist of their population vaccinated. In mine, Portugal, we have 85% of people vaccinated. Before the vaccine with lots of restrictions we have over 7000 cases a day! Today with nearly zero restrictions we have less than 600.
But go ahead, keep believing misinformation and dismissing what every single reliable medical source is saying. It's natural selection at this point.
What type of vaccine are you guys using in Portugal and I don't necessarily believe what your country says too many liberals are running the show all I know is we have a high vaccination rate here and there is still a lots of cases so I'm not buying the nonsense oh we need a third booster. The Jewish religion has it kicked out of pretty much every country you could defend them all you want their behavior sucks and they know better because of the Nazi history and they treat the Palestinians not much better then how they were treated during World War II I guess some things in life repeat themselves. Your mother was a natural selection if she push somebody like you out.
@yofuknutz we use Johnson, Pfizer and Astrazenica. Our politics don't work that same way your do my friend. Obama would be considered right wing in Europe. Our data is accurate. Where do you live? Not many countries have over 60% vaccination. Is true that they are not treating the Palestinians right, still not doing nearly as much harm as the Nazis did.
Yeah Obama was a war hawk I was very surprised for a liberal he pretty much gave the Republicans what they wanted I mean everybody broke his balls Non-Stop they made fun of his ears they say he's not black enough and all this other bullshit they say he's from Indonesia or Kenya I said if he's from any of these places he has one hell of an American accents that's for sure.
I was just disappointed with Israel enough of their fucking drama already they know better. when you have Palestinians trying to blow themselves up Israel something is wrong you don't see them doing that in the Egypt or Jordan when they are refugees only in Israel and then you have black people moving to Israel claim to be the true Hebrews and they're also treated like shit. Trump recognize them having the capital Jerusalem. now if you want my money Israel you're going to have to give me something. Are you trying to diminish the Palestinian cause means you're a liberal with your head up your ass.
@yofuknutz don't mistake things. I am saying that the Israelites are not as bad as the Nazis. I am not saying that the way they are treating the Palestinians is right. That conflict is a very complicated issue with no real prefect solution.
With all the fucking money that we get those morons you would think they have a Bill of Rights like we do the only right that they have is the right to return guess what they don't even enforce that right anymore I have friends in the IDF and they can't go back to Israel it's ridiculous And on top of that when you are in the Army i d f over there you cannot even go round with a loaded weapon you have to keep the magazine out of the rifle what kind of stupid Brooklyn bulshit is that either you have a weapon or you don't the fuck is wrong with these people and for that reason they're always in groups together which makes them a Target, I mean seriously you walk around with M16 without it being loaded when the state of Israel started we should have sent Americans over there instead they got the freaking French they always take things too far and then the Americans Jewish population that does go to Israel usually they're from fucken Brooklyn stupid crazy people it doesn't matter what you are what nationality if you're from Brooklyn you're stupid and crazy.
No, they can’t. And even if they could, it doesn’t mean they should have that power. It just means it’s another power that need to be revoked from government.
If they can force you to get a vaccine then why not literally anything? What possible justification do you have to have for any freedom over your own life rather than being dominated by an authoritarian state?
^^^^^yeah tell me about it. You see how the Anonymous poster has been treating me I think the b l m and antifa riots are a Taste of what's to come somehow I don't see the government going after that funny how that works and I'm not laughing either.
I am unaware of any attempt to overthrow the government here, I don't watch the news since it's all bs anyway and I've never been part of any such attempt (I'm the type to simply switch countries if the conflict ends up on my doorstep)
But, if you give a pc and a hammer to a monkey, the monkey will eventually smash the pc with the hammer.
Does this mean the pc wouldn't work if he just turned it on and used it normally? No, it does not.
Sometimes bad guys win, it's not a reason to agree with stupidity, and you can't say that corruption can't be removed just because you or anyone else fails at successfully doing so.
Then you live in a box if you are unaware of the attempted coup tried by MAGA fools on Jan 6. Its well documented. People died. While I agree that MAGA types have the intelligence of a monkey your metaphor otherwise makes no sense
Left wing and right wing are still the same stupid bird.
Also my metaphore made perfect sense, the point is that a person who fails to do something can't make the argument that it can't be done just because they suck at it (my friend can't draw for shit, but I can). So your argument that "it was tried and failed so it can't be done" makes no sense.
In recorded history, most governments got overthrown, not getting overthrown is actually the exception.
Many will fail, some will succeeed at some point, thats just how it is with just about everything in life, but I'm a survivor, I don't fight in wars and i don't take vaccines for a virus where the test for it comes up with false positives/false negatives more than 70% of the time (source = various doctors I visited).
As for living in a box, I'm an artist and gamer and science researcher, living in a place with very little to do outside for my kind. So of course.
Also almost every USA news station is owned by the same company, and they are notorious for spreading fake news.
Not saying it didn't happen, but I'm not going to say it did or didn't when I wasn't there just because someone posts a link or video off the net. It's too easy to fake things nowadays, the internet and tv has become pretty much useless as a verification tool.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12 KJV
I saw this on YouTube the other day and somebody in the comment section pass along this reference it was one of those anti- police screw up videos there are too many of them that's a problem
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