The real issue is not the existence of climate change - which is real - but rather an assessment of its causes and the capacity of man to alter it. It is these latter two points that are disputable.
In terms of causes, it is not an unreasonable assumption that as man is pouring billions of tone of heat trapping chemicals into the atmosphere each year that it is likely having an effect. Man is the only creature in nature with the capacity to alter his environment in significant ways.
By the same token, two points are relevant. One is that it is impossible to know the degree to which the changes in the environment are being caused by human action. The climate is not static, as the tropical environment in the age of the dinosaurs - when man had not yet evolved - and the subsequent ice age that may have played a part in the extinction of those same dinosaurs demonstrates.
The climate is dynamic and changes autonomously. Obviously man interacts with his environment and impacts it, but science is going beyond its ambit when it asserts that it knows that the current change in the climate is changed by man and by how much. The best science can do, since science is measuring the climate from inside the climate, is extrapolate from geologic and other data where things stand.
Suffice to say, this hardly lends itself to the kinds of precise estimates and policy prescriptions that are being proffered in things like "The Green New Deal." It not being impossible that said "New Deal" could be implemented to the nth degree and the climate would go on warming anyhow.
It then being an open question as to how much said warming was set in motion by human action, and how much was already written in the climate, so to speak. Round and round it goes.
This then pointing to the second problem. The assumption of things like "The Green New Deal," is that man has the capacity to control his environment. That the planet has some magic switch that need only be flipped and man will alter the trajectory of the Earth's temperature.
Suffice to say, no such switch exists and thus the debate is being determined not by a reasonable - and invariably imprecise - cost/benefit analysis. Rather by an abstract definition of perfection.
"We need only eliminate carbon inputs into the atmosphere and all will be well," argue the climate activists in so many words. This is unlikely and is the illusion of control.
Here is the bad news for the social and climate engineers: Life is imperfect and man's capacity to alter that is limited. Thus, there is no solution to climate change. Rather there is only a finite capacity to improve it.
The problem then with the climate change debate is that it is being set by two abstract extremes. On the one hand, the climate change opponents are denying that which is easily measured and determined, albeit with limited accuracy. On the other hand are the enviromentalists who are assuming and promising a degree of control over the planet which man does not have.
This is the "prison of two ideas." It is why the climate change debate is not likely to be resolved and events will take their course regardless of what man does. With man's capacity to impact that being of only secondary and limited effect.
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I used to hate Trump, but now I like a good amount of things he did, although he is very biased, but so are many other people. I do believe in climate change, but I believe it is being exaggerated. Did you ever hear about the conservation of energy? Yeah, it may be that CO2 traps more heat, but if the weather is getting more extreme (rather than hotter, while it also seems to be getting hotter pretty much everywhere), why is it that Antarctica is getting colder? Oh, and why was there that snow storm in Texas? Shouldn’t that be something of the past if the global warming is really happening. The fact that Antarctica is getting colder suggests that it is rather that the energy in the planet is being conserved.
Ever heard of the HAARP station? Yeah, that’s a weather control if machine, and there is another HAARP in Russia, Area 51, Norway, India, China, Brazil, Peru, and Australia. There is probably more by now. Ever noticed why the costs of living goes up and why all the stages drama in politics and about budget and economy, all while infrastructure doesn’t really get fixed and many things get less funding while more funding for the military? Yeah, it’s all staged while they use that greater amount of revenue to bring about the New World Order, and they also have secret technology. Some military positions require you to make an oath to never tell what is going ok to absolutely anyone, including your family or S. O., etc. Why do you think there is that coronavirus? And then I saw this one video that said that with more climate change, more serious ancient diseases will be released from the melting glaciers. Sounds like a coverup for their incoming projects to bring about more serious diseases, just like they use HAARP to control the weather and orchestrate global warming, while in the end it turns out that it seems like energy is being conserved by Antarctica getting a lot colder, even during their summers.
Yeah, I used to believe that global warming was very serious (while still believing the HAARP functions) until I saw how Antarctica is getting colder. Ever heard of some places in the coasts starting to lack oxygen? Yeah, they blame that on climate change whole it is probably being done by HAARP, by having oxygen go up in elevation to meet the agenda of supposed modern effects of climate change. In some stones someplace in the US, there are different world agendas from the corrupt elite all writen in Greek. Someone translated it, and one part says “Keep the world population under 500 million.” All of these events and things make it more evident that the New World Order is coming about, and coronavirus was the start of the next chapter in it. What could happen next? What could be in store for 2022, let alone 2023 or the next? I am very concerned.
Fun fact for the left and right (although both sides will disagree with this hidden news): Republicans are also taking away your 2nd Amendment rights slowly by banning bullets, each time for different firearms for citizens. This is a dangerous move. Thought Republicans would serve your interests? And guns aren’t what you need to worry the most about. You guys need to upgrade on your firearms and weapons, and learn how to make them and fix them, because secret military operations are upgrading on it big time to prep up for the New World Order. Are you guys prepared with your upgraded firearms and shields. Lacking them will be dangerous in the era of the New World Order. You must also invent things that will shield you from the advanced death rays. Begin studying those courses and move up as fast as possible. Also, try to invent something that can upload things to your knowledge box so you can upload them, but then comes the need to be sure you upload the right information so you won’t be mistrained or misinformed and so you won’t put yourself at a disadvantage.
Lol you're funny, Trump and The Dems are two heads of the same dragon. Politics is a tv show. It's like Pro-Wrastlin.. and it was that way long before Trump, but although I am not a fan of any President except the select few who (named them or weren't puppets of them.)
I’m a climate skeptic. I don’t trust the people who’re driving the climate change alarmism: Those at the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, Greta Thunberg (who was a child for most of her time lecturing us about CC), the mainstream media and politicians who’s solutions involve higher taxes and more control over our lives in general. They want us to go vegan and even eat bugs, they want us to give up our private property and live in “pods” because our houses are too large too heat without producing CO2 or something, and there’s even talk about CO2 passes that will track our CO2 emissions and even limit our movement and spending accordingly.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s real, I don’t think the world is coming to an end in my lifetime and certainly not in the next 11 years or whatever “they” claim t is now. It appears as though the climate has always been changing and did long before the industrial revolution and the invention of the car.
You know, just because you support someone doesn’t mean you have to believe in everything you believe in. People need to stop idolizing these people for no reason. I’m not saying supporting trump is bad or supporting Biden is bad. I to be honest don’t support any of them because I can’t stand any of them. However idolizing these people isn’t the way to go. I recommend believing in what you want to believe in, not just because the person you idolize believes in it. And I know you’re thinking that you don’t idolize trump but you do. Believing in something just because someone else believes in it is a characteristic of idolization.
I strongly agree with you! If Trump supporters didn’t idolize Trump, they wouldn’t be calling everything that calls Trump out or that points out the bad things he did/does as fake news, and neither would Biden supporters if they didn’t idolize Biden. Less leftists idolize Biden than the right that idolize Trump because of the news that Biden supports the KKK. I mean, nobody is perfect, everyone has flaws regardless.
One time, I was subscribed to some less biased conservative news thing and one time they released an article saying they caught Trump snorting on something and that he may go to prison, and it showed handcuffs as a symbol on the picture. I hate Trump less than what I did in 2016, and now I see many good things he did, but it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t go to prison over the fact that he molested women and said he wants to grab them by their privates.
I don't believe in the conspiracy that it's as catastrophic as they say or that we have as much effect as they say we do. They can't measurably assess our impact and clearly say X only happened because of humans or that it wouldn't have happened anyways give or take a few years. And anytime someone has tried they've been wrong. It gets swept under the rug and there's a new claim made that's proved wrong again
I don't see how we can have the same group of people say we had a tropical planet for dinosaurs. An iceage that killed off thousands of species. That we humans who didn't have access to said atmospheric pollution technology emerged on the other side of said Ice Age and continued on, in a world that was warming up all on its own.
All the way till today. So per their own subset of theories the world was hot as shit. Cold as shit. Warmed the fuck up all without human intervention. But miraculously in the past 100 years or so we're doing things so devastating that the planet is changing beyond measure, when per their own theories the world so radically without us and we just happened to survive it all...
Sounds more like an inflated sense of our own importance and fear mongering as a means to control the masses, just like every culture faces. When we can measure our impact and connect said actions to said results in a manner that is clearly measurable... I don't really want to hear shit about Climate Change being a life threatening event to be concerned about
I do believe that the climate changes over time. You want proof? Climate usually changes every 500 years within human history. Warm climate like 1000 years ago is usually based on higher sun activity and has nothing at all to do with carbon dioxide or humans because humans only have control over 1-3 per cent of the world climate. The rest, at least 97 per cent, are caused by completely natural phenomenons. 1000 years ago you could plant crops and trees in Greenland, harvest grapes in Northern England and 500 years ago, the Baltic Sea was completely frozen. I still remember in highschool when we analyzed poems and novels from earlier centuries where the spring was blessed because thank God the rivers aren't frozen anymore. I have never seen a frozen river in my entire life. The period where this literature came from was called "little ice age". In conclusion: The current warm period is being used by the elite to literally kill regular people and therefore seize control over the masses of the earth. Electric cars are an absolute nightmare to the environment compared to Diesel-cars and let's not forget that the rich love to fly around in their private jets all over the world to tell you that using your car to go to work on a terribly low-paid job is bad for the earth. Solution: All laws and actions against climate change should be reversed immediately because these laws aren't about protecting humanity or the environment, instead they want to kill both.
the climate does change, but not all that fast. Remember, the US used to be pretty much covered by glaciers a whole crap ton of years ago, long before man was around, and they melted. Who is to blame for that? Dinosaur farts? Mother nature moves very slowly, not in hundred of year, not in a thousand years, but in tens of thousands of years. So scientists really so not have much information to go on. One year it is dry, the next it seems to never stop raining, the next year is average, same with snow & cold.
It's a cycle. Climate change is real, global warming isn't. I'm pretty sure the sun goes through a 22 year cycle. I don't remember the numbers but my biology teacher had something to say on the matter and was pretty much just saying that pollution is the current problem with the environment and if we take care of that the earth can pretty much take care of itself. So yeah the climate is changing but I'm pretty sure if you looked at the numbers you would see the pattern and not really be that concerned.
The climate always changes as the earths crusts move and shift around. How many ice ages since humans have been on this earth have their been? We are actually due a massive climate shift, a few volcanos lying in a state of flux are waiting to blow. Or a metoer hits the earth like it did the dinosaurs or before them the acidic climate that had the massive bugs. Nothing is forever, not this earth and certainly not humans
@weeee of course but it can't solely be blamed on humans, the earth has its ows way of cleansing chernoybl is a prime example, it flourishes without human intervention. The point is the earth was always heading for climate change regardless of the abuse it has taken.
Who is to blame is out of the equation anyways, like are we going to tax the earth's orbit?
If you look at past fluctuations of global temperature and then look at today's, there is clearly a difference. Also keeping climate change aside entirely, plastic is still a problem, air pollution is still a problem, etc. Even if one doesn't believe in climate change they cannot deny the fact that what we do harms the environment.
Half of the American Population: "Climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese"
Me: It's called green house gas emissions. You know that shit you put in your cars to go places? It goes through the process of combustion in your engine and comes out as a gas.
Me: You know when you turn on the electricity in your house and the light comes on. That electricity is made by burning fossil fuels like coal and natural gas --> combustion --> green house gas.
Carbon Emissions 100% affect the temperature. Change the percentages of partial pressures in the atmosphere and temperature is bound to go up. Did you sleep through High School Chemistry?
Bro I'm 4 Trump over this stuttering communist dinosaur, but you gotta admit he's not really a great person either. Blatant Racist, Sexist, Anti-Science, Fake News, American Exceptionalist. I will say he's funny as fuck tho.
Yes I do. Think about how the earth was millions of years ago, when dinosaurs ruled the earth. Climate was very much different than it was today. The Saharan desert had grass, flowing water, there were lakes and ponds... much more vegetation back then then there is today.
The Earth was much warmer when these Dinosaurs roamed, than it is now. Maybe do a little research before that foot in your mouth problem happens again.
@Mossberg500 what the HECK are you talking about and who the HECK do you think you're talking to? Maybe you should reread my comment again and then take your nasty, unsanitary foot out of your mouth before speaking! Ok?
not believing in climate change would be stupid as fuck. because OBVIOUSLY there's ice ages and warm ages on the planet. they have always existed. also we can observe climate getting warmer. those facts are observable and not up for discussion. however whether this recent warming is anthropogenic (caused by human intervention) or not is very controversial in the scientific world. the media claims that 99% of scientists say climate change is real refers to the first fact i mentioned. not about the human intervention part. however politics and media has as so often in ignorance of a controverse scientific discourse already begun building a public narrative that favors one side of the argument...
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Of course. For the last 25 years, the rise in greenhouse gasses had coincided with a rise in global temperatures. Outside of Trumpworld, it’s tough to ignore the obvious conclusion that man is at least partially, and possibly completely, responsible for climate change. I’ll stick with the educated opinions of 98% of the world’s climatologists over a reality TV host any day.
There have been a number of events in the world’s history that scientists believe caused climate change. However, the longer the rise in greenhouse gasses coincides with a rise in temperature, the harder it is to deny the connection. Massive global warming events in earth’s past are believed to have been caused by increased carbon emissions…. prolonged volcanic activity for example, which only reinforces the current theory. It’s common sense that climate change would have causal factors. Closing your mind for political reasons is counterproductive.
When 98% of the world’s scientists agree on the science, it’s hardly “unsettled”. It’s only unsettled to the politicians you’re listening to, who are being paid by big business to deny climate change.
@BillyBalls "Using unsettled science to promote a political agenda is pure idiocy."
Science is never settled completely, but if someone throws a rock at your head, are you going to insist it won't hit you because Einstein showed Newton was wrong?
You can bury your head in the sand as much as you want, and not accept scientific evidence. It will be too late to accept it is happening when you are scavenging for a few roots to eat in amongst the desert sand.
You are probably an anti vaxer, as well. Good luck! You will need it!
Scientific evidence proves that climate change has been going on since the Earth first got an atmosphere, billions upon billions of years ago, before even the first single cell microorganism was created, billions upon billions of years ago, way before humans, dinosaurs, frogs. The earth cools and heats every 28,000 to 35,000 years on average. You see, liberal nitwit, there’s REAL science, and there’s your version which is snippets of propagandized science that only goes back far enough to support your socialist agenda. Truth is Earth is gonna get hotter than hell itself in the next 7,000 years, it’ll be like living in a sauna, then when all the ice has melted, earth will start cooling herself, building miles deep ice sheets over roughly 71% of the planet… but you just keep on fooling yourself and give all your money to that fucktard Al Gore, he appreciates your stupidity and sheep mentality.
@rcljr Actually, I am definitely right wing. I just happen to understand what is going on. Climate change and global warming are not interested in politics. Just keep pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. Both you and I will be 6 foot under, so need not worry when the shit hits the fan.
In any case, the universe is doomed in its entirety. It will expand to such an extent that the energy distribution will be so low, all life will cease to exist on any planet in any solar system. Then the earth will be cool! About absolute zero.
It's all political, don't think for a second that those ruling over us care even a little bit about the environment. Or anything else than themselves for that matter. They're the ones destroying it every single day for their monetary gain that they don't even need.
Im just asking you questions. I'm just curious about your opinion. And really curious how you believed in it and stopped believing. Just not something i seen before. It's normally the opposite people don't believe and than stop believing.
Are you saying climate change is man made?
Or your saying us destroying the environment that helps to control our climate can't make the climate change?
Like the coral reefs, and plants and trees that we learned in elementary school helps to oxidize the environment. Or the smog in la is so high that it can actually be dangerous to even walk outside?
Or how many climates temperatures that have been documented changing over the years even before people even heard of climate change?
So if you don't mind i really would like to know what made you stop believing in science, at least on this topic.
There is data showing more support for the alarmist position, but it's imho just as political. My party's official position is "warming is nonsense, there is 0 chance of a problem, it's all a conspiracy." Why? Because we want small government. The people who like tyranny also like climate fear, and therefore we aparently must hold the line and show certainty in the face of opposition. There is no maybe, it's a "years, absolutely" or "no, absolutely" based on what your politics are. So imho numbers are different, but the reasons are similar.
It's happening. Every year has been weather than the last. Greenland is melting. The sea level is rising. Coastal cities are experiencing increased flooding. Or do you think that all the news everywhere is just made up by people who hate Trump or something.
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Yes. The media are against Trump because Trump wants to stop them from making money from lying.
Climate change of course, thats not disputed by anyone. What you really mean is do i believe if there is a siginificant man made impact or a climate emergency. And no, the climate emergency is a scam.
It is a good thing to transition to better forms of energy though like thorium reactors. Unfortunately they are doing the opposite by these fake renewable energy scams. They are catastrophically destroying our power grids.
This is a troll post. Everyone believes in climate change, the planet is in a constant state of flux, from warmer to cooler periods of time and has from the beginning.. The argument comes down to how much of an impact humans really have and what the consequences are.
I do believe that the climate is changing because I can see it first hand. I just think that "answers" scientists and activists give are narrow minded and too easy. The climate will always be changing and I´m more into protection of nature than into climate change activism.
Yes I do. Why is it changing is subject to debate although I do lean towards human activity being the most likely culprit. But no matter what having cleaner air to breathe is never a bad thing. I still try to think for myself and not reach conclusions because someone tells me what to think.
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The climate is changing but it’s always been changing. The climate is never stable like some people claim and it is much more difficult to change the climate than people realize. There have been major changes in the climate that most people don’t realize. The parts of Europe that most people inhabit currently were once uninhabitable because it was too cold to survive. The east coast of the US was once a tropical climate all the way up to Massachusetts. The earth is constantly in a state of change but we just now realize it in real time.
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Then you are a puppet of a con man. Learn to think for yourself. Don't fall victim to confirmation bias, or mental laziness, that discards credible sources and science.
Being aware has become so tabooed that the sheep will rebel and get anger because of it. And you two guys are not only cancer to the society however because of your foolish dunning-Kruegers you will force the downfall of humanity faster. And you don’t even realize that you’re a sheep. Since most people in the world are just like you 2. Think like sheep you’ll end up in slaughterhouses. But dray and dark you’ll only realize when the blade is goanna come Down. Refuse to lean from history will be doomed to repeat it. Schindler‘s list all over again! In 100 years they’re goanna how we’re people in 2020 so stupid and let this happen? They have internet with unlimited information? They could’ve communicated anywhere in the world with face? They still demanded for tyranny? HOW? This is how! And say WtF are you talking about? Since you 2 are such useless eaters
Our planet's climate IS changing, as it has for billions of years. The question is how much humans contribute to that change. Many scientists point out that humans contribute to climate change but are not the sole contributors. Therefore, it makes sense for us to limit those things (like fluorocarbons, carbon dioxide emissions) that contribute to climate change, while maintaining a compromise with quality of life.
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Periodical climate change is a proven fact. Like you can believe cars don't exist but it won't prevent them from hitting you if you jump in front of one.
However, what humans do is unnaturally speeding up the process. What should take thousands of years happens in decades and thus life has hard time getting adapted to these changes.
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Yeah.
And you can still support trump without denying basic science
Heh, I'm not a Trumpanzee, he's a centrist at best. I'm way too far right to pretend to support him. But I digress...
I came across this video back when someone originally posted this CNN interview with The Founder of The Weather Channel, it's hilarious. It was actually hard to dig up again.
"I support Trump so I dont believe in that stuff" NO you don't this is obviously some leftist troll. With regards to climate change I belive in the data by the scientists. What I don't belive is the kind of scernio you have a picture of with the city of fire and the land dryed up. I also don't belive in people saying humanity is going exsitnct due to climate change
We're looking at such a slim time frame that the increases in temp are totally irrelevant until more time passes. Florida was supposed to br under water but it's not. I used to as a dumb kid but I realized there's people making money off of it. It's always been a political thing. Sure, the temps might change.00000001% as a result of humans, but 99.9999999% is natural. Humans didn't cause the ice age or the end of it. Climate change is automatic
Climate change is a naturally occurring event that has been going on for billions of years, man didn’t start it, man cannot stop it. Clean up the oceans lakes rivers and streams, ban disposable plastics and call it good.
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I voted for Trump because he was a better candidate than Biden. I am not a fan of his style but I supported most of his agenda and he accomplished most of what he promised in his administration until the coronavirus was unleashed by the Chinese.
I believe that the climate periodically changes, as it has from the beginning of recorded history. The extent of human influence on that process is unknown.
Yes, but we are not ready to go green yet! Right know our green technology is actually worse for the environment than it helps. We need to for now focus on making fossil fuels as clean as possible while doing everything we can to help neutralize the carbon emissions and simultaneously develop our green energy more.
Well obviously yes. The climate has been changing throughout world history VERYYY Slowlyyy. However liberals are absolutely freaking out about it for no reason. Who cares if burning coal and using fossil fuels heated the world by 1 degree since the Industrial Revolution? We are still here. And y’all said in the 1980’s 90’s and 2000’s that we’d all be underwater. I support burning coal 1000%
I guess you don't realize how stupid you sound. LOL You admit that you don't believe a thing because a certain person you "support" doesn't believe it. I suppose you believe everything else he believes too? Yup, you're a trumpanzee! LMAO.
He asked, "Do you believe in it?" A simple question that anybody with a room temperature IQ can comprehend, but it appears that rather than answering the question, a few individuals on the site are attacking the viewpoint of the person who asked the question.
@CHadwww Yes, I attack the stupidity of any person who says, "I SUPPORT so and so, therefore whatever they believe, I believe". I chose to say that, and it's harsh, and you're correct, I should at least have answered the question as well, which I will add to my post.
Trump doesn't now, or ever has, given a shit about America and Americans except for how they can used to make more money for himself. That's all he has EVER cared about his entire life, and all of his actions proves this to be true.
Don’t be stupid just cause he don’t and you support him don’t mean you have to agree in everything… that being said climate change isn’t anything I’m worried about.
Climate change is nothing to believe or not to. It's happening; it's a fact. Only the reasons and responsibilities are being argued about. Where for myself, I hesitate to be a (proverbial) Lemming.
Yes, I do. Climate change is an undeniable reality and there is virtually no debate about it. I encourage you to do your own research about climate change and the already observable effects it has had on our environment.
I don't see a lot of mastodons in my neighborhood, nor the massive shell of ice encasing the planet like it did in the pre-Cambrian; clearly, the climate has changed.
The ozone layer has a hole now so it's time to wake up from the slumber. Glaciers are melting, forest fires are happening and sea level is rising. Trump is a disgrace to mankind.
I don't "believe" in climate change. I accept the fact of climate change. (Due to the ample amount of evidence, such as the shrinking of the polar ice caps, the abnormal in rise of temperatures, and higher frequency of my storms).
It is happening but just like most things they are lying about how it is happening. They spray stuff in the air and are making it happen on purpose then blaming us.
Climate change was a term created by AL Gore for his documentary.
I don't believe in the term Climate change, as the earth is just in a natural cycle. But do believe in global warming and that we are speeding the natural cycle up
Of course. The climate has never been static. It's always changing. Not sure how much human activity is responsible for it, but minimizing pollution and conserving energy are sensible goals either way.
I can prove it doesn't. Most of temperature records are from 1800's to 1950's , we had no cars, or factories in 1800's. Plus very few people. They say those are the reasons.
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We did have factories in 1800s and cars in 1950s. Also steam engine trains. I think they say that is what started it but not enough people then.
Climate change, yes, because the Earth's climate has always changed; it's what it does naturally. Global warming caused by the release of CO2 into the atmosphere by industry? No, of course not, I'm not so silly.
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