Do you believe in climate change?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

3 questions with climate change:

1: Is it happening.
2: Do we really want to stop it?
3: Could we even stop it if we wanted to?

Technically the Earth climate has always been changing, particularity during the current ice age. If that is the change you referring to then Yes climate is changing.

We only want to try and stop undesirable changes. If the earth were getting a lot cooler then we should desire to stop that as it will make the earth far less habitable for us and most of the rest of the life on earth.

If it is simply warming then we should not be trying to stop it as we are still in an ice age. No where near Earth's ideal hot house climate that has soo defined 80% + of Earth's history. Indeed we should encourage such change.

The question of controlling climate is rather difficult but possible, currently with what little we know the best option would be to build and deploy a solar shade. This avoids the uncertainty of the effects of atmospheric gasses and affords us a level of control to learn from and adapt. I don't see the need to do this any time soon thou.

[Dargil]

3 questions with climate change:

1: Is it happening. ***The climate is always changing. Does anyone know what Normal is?
2: Do we really want to stop it? ***As CO2 rises, the world becomes greener but ther is ni evidence of anthropomorphic global warming. So NO.

3: Could we even stop it if we wanted to?
**Nope.

If it is simply warming then we should not be trying to stop it as we are still in an ice age. No where near Earth's ideal hot house climate that has soo defined 80% + of Earth's history. Indeed we should encourage such change.
**Ohio will be under a mile of ice in less tan 60k years. I'm investing in show shoes.

[JacobJordan]

Believing has nothing to do with it. It is factually happening. Humans are exacerbating the problem. My lab and many other labs have already had to send people to pull samples of potential bacteria, viruses, pathogens etc that have been frozen under the permafrost for millions of years. Stuff that if it gets out could theoretically wipe humanity off the face of the earth in a matter of months. So labs get the fun task of breaking down these things to figure out how they tick what measures if any can be done to reduce the effects or cure it entirely before it gets out.

[Jessica405]

Yes. Greenhouse gases like methane and carbon dioxide are proved to trap solar radiation in the earth's atmosphere. The question is does this lead to increasing temperatures?

Yes, I believe it does. Add all the evidence like polar ice melting, record temperatures in polar regions etc and it shows how increases are happening.

One favourite counter argument is that there have always been ups and downs over many years. This is irrelevant as it does not matter what is driving warming. It IS happening.

[EmmaMary]

@Jessica405

Written like a true and genuine conscientious human being. ❤

[Jessica405]

@EmmaMary Thanks! ❤

[monorprise]

@Jessica405

Given we are living in the middle of an ice age, which has been responsable for such climate instability for the last 2.5 million years leading to mankind in the first place.
How is warming undesirable?

Should not our objective be the melting of such standing ice and ending of the current ice age for the long term stability and greater habitability of earth by returning it to its normal hothouse state which has dominated 85% of Life's history?

To that end is the question of change of its direction?

[Jessica405]

@monorprise Thermal run away. It gets to a point where zero greenhouse emissions does not stop the earth from heating. Melting of ice stops radiation being reflected back above the atmosphere. Just one example. Rising sea levels. Island populations have to relocate to mainland areas because of flooding..

[strateguy632]

to @Jessica405 gap between c. d. trap heat, between the diluted c. d. in our atmosphere. at least delay belief global warming until research temperature.
spoiler alert not global warming. even sea cooled el nino. just hoax pushed by name calling!

[monorprise]

We are no where near Thermal Runaway @Jessica405 and not even capable with all known reserves of getting close enough to end the present ice age according to the UN's own studies. At best we can delay the next 5 glacial cycles which is not even reaching the historic green house planet I spoke of. We would need to do something else to get there according to the UN and remaining there given given the arrangement of the earth's land would be just as hard.

As even the people who push global warming often admit there is an enormous amount of absurd political fear mongering to push this idea. Mostly by very ignorant and frantic people who themself are the victim of the same fear mongering.

The actual numbers however are moderate, and while its possible humans are driving *significant* climate change that could have a few undesirable effects. That term *significant* means its measurable and that harm needs to be measured in perspective of its benefits which are almost entirely ignored.

This is part of the reason soo many people know their lying because the lies they often tell is absurd and one sided.

Yes sea levels will rise, climate patterns will shift a little, but most of that shift will be on net very positive, and there is plenty of land and more than enough time to move those cities without even notice.

The entirely unmentioned benefits of a warming climate however are overwhelming. Longer growing season, more inhabitable land on net and ultimately more stability.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I do. All these extreme weather occurrences are the proof that climate change is real. Only people who refuse to acknowledge the truth are climate deniers.

[Fireguy17]

not really, it is part of the natural cycles of the planet.
Our area millions of years ago was ass deep in glaciers and they melted long before man was around.
You can't base the climate on the hundredish year they have been keeping records.
Mother nature doesn't move that fast.
You would need records from thousands and thousands of years ago, to see what was going on.
For all we know this might still be part of the cycle when the glaciers are still melting from a million or so years ago.

[Lionman95]

Yes I do. I see the climate changing and it has always been changing. What I don´t believe in though is the so called prophesies of the climate scientists that say in so many years this or that will happen. I think there should be some preparations to adapt like using less plastic and people should get away from society that creates so much waste.
On the other hand I have a strong faith in humanity that humans will adapt when the world changes.

[strateguy632]

about plastic, modern countries BURN plastic hot ENOUGH to split it into harmless carbon and hydrogen. the problem is africa and china. not your car.

[Lionman95]

I´m not worried about my car but the plastic bottles in the occean and the risk of consuming microplastic.

[RebelinSteel]

Yes and I think we are reaching the point of no return, as in no matter what we do the earth cannot change what will happen. For example the artic and loss of summer ice cannot be prevented and will happen. This will greatly impact the Northern Hemisphere.

[strateguy632]

but you measured ICE that melts despite cold 35 degrees! either check monthly records like i did or delay believed warming because didn't check yet.
this kinda exposed hypocrisy! people say they are skeptical about god, but don't delay believed other stuff, warming and planet ball, so what? not really skeptic just hypocrite.

[RebelinSteel]

@strateguy632 erm check the summer transit routes that are opening up. The Russians believe the Artic will be fully open in the very near future.

www.theguardian.com/.../too-late-now-to-save-arctic-summer-ice-climate-scientists-find

There are countless articles on the arctic summer ice.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

www.bradley.com/.../melting-arctic-to-open-up-new-trade-routes-and-geopolitical-flashpoints

Satellite maps show year on year reduction of ice.

[strateguy632]

again you mention ICE.

[RebelinSteel]

@strateguy632 okay smart arse, explain the lack of Arctic ice in the summer months at -35c, how is it decreasing year on year, the footprint based on satellite maps is shrinking.

[Dargil]

I believe that Climate change infatuation is the greatest fraud in modern history. It acts like a religion, much like Jihadism, where its believers ignore scientific facts and are willing to resort to violence and destruction of protect the will of Allah? No. Gaia.

Yes, it has been coopted by globalists who want to control the behavior of and then reduce the population of humanity.

[FunkyMonkee]

Absolutely NOT!! It's ALL bullshit!!
Carbon dioxide is what makes plants grow! That's why some of the deserts are greening up, again and becoming rain forests! Without carbon dioxide, no plants! Without plants, no air! Without air, no US or ANYTHING ELSE on the planet!!

[andreasderjuengere]

Yes I do.
But I don't make it a political question to excuse my own consumer behavior.
Instead, I think about how I can best respond to it without suffering.
But this is limited to the next 20 or so years.
What happens after that shall not longer be my own problem.
Good luck, guys :D

[strateguy632]

if you knew amounts and content of china exhaust and pollution you wouldn't bother.
in a non smoking room, if one dude smakes, fills room so don't bother, enjoy your cigarette too. as parable.

[goaded]

We figured out the greenhouse effect closer to the start of the industrial revolution than to today.

Once he had the answer, Arrhenius complained to his friends that he'd "wasted over a full year" doing tedious calculations by hand about "so trifling a matter" as hypothetical CO2 concentrations in far-off eras (quoted in Crawford, 1997).

[Julie_TS]

Of course... it's well documented that the planet goes through periodic climatical changes over time.

[Jessica405]

Like I said, the cause is irrelevant. Global warming is happening at a much faster rate than natural causes.

[Julie_TS]

@Jessica405 Maybe, maybe not.
I do agree that it something to at least be aware of and to keep an eye on. And, it certainly wouldn't hurt to treat the planet a little better than we have.

[genericname85]

i don't think you're asking the question right. debyubg climate change would be crazy. the interesting question is if you believe whether humans are actively changing it or not.

[strateguy632]

*denying climate etc.

[NamerOfStars]

When I look up at the ice shell encasing the Earth, do you know what I think? I think that my time machine has malfunctioned again.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes i do and it has suddenly got worse and far worse then scientists predicted. the proof is in the pudding as us Brits would say, just look at all the temperature records being broken.

[strateguy632]

but SUN adds heat. added solar activity.
the theory of trap heat must be tested at night. spoiler alert, it is a hoax.

[DarkLegacy]

@strateguy632 Ok but you probably believe the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese. Along with vaccines causing Autism and the coronavirus vaccine is a chip.

[BCRanger10]

I'm skeptical about man's culpability, if that's what you're asking.

[bobby_bush_eater]

The climate is changing. It's a fact. All the BS the left spouts and tries to control about it claiming we're sending the planet into spiral at a fast rate is completely false.

[slatyb]

Not believing in climate change is like not believing in gravity. The data is overwhelming.

[strateguy632]

you must have blind faith... you didn't check yet. i checked monthly records. most days same or cooler. not warmer trend. neither "global" nor "warming".

[slatyb]

@strateguy632 Which monthly records? Ocean temperatures are rising steadily. Each new year has been the warmest on record. Sea level is rising. Glaciers are melting all over the world. Do you really believe there is a world-wide conspiracy among all climate scientists?

[strateguy632]

i am skeptical about most things and don't believe this hoax either.

[Anonymous]

I believe it, but I also believe it's greatly overblown. Climate change has existed throughout the Earth's 4.5 billion year history. It'll continue to change regardless of what arrogant humans think or feel.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Its not a question of belief. Rather a question of do you understand climate change.

[Levin]

I'm not sure I believe it is anthropogenic, but yes, it occurs. There is no disputing that.

[strateguy632]

only according to news companies, TWO sides of scientists exist... the "concerned" scientists and the opposing side, who get threatened to lose careers and who news never mentions! except one! PBS interview that search engines won't LET YOU FIND even if you know the title, unless you know the url address. gasp.

[noohair]

Yes, but no one country can fix it. It has to be a whole world effort and that won't happen any time soon. I don't want to live in a cave to make the developing countries happy.

[exitseven]

Yes, I think that the climate has been changing for centuries.

[Surely]

Yes. But not to the degree that the climate crisis experts want us to believe in!

[gorydetails]

Sure. The earth's climate has been changing since the big bang.

[Pterodon]

Yes but I believe it’s natural and not a fucking thing can be done to stop slow or reverse it

[In_Trance]

Lol no

[normalice]

Say rather that I understand it.

[strateguy632]

actually you didn't bother to check. i checked: warming is not global nor even real warming trend.

[normalice]

I'm not interested in having this discussion with someone determined to make oil barrons richer no matter what.

[laly520]

for sure

can't be ignored

[Anonymous]

Yes, just like Y2K.

[OddBeMe]

Yes and humans are main cause.

[Yannae]

Yes man.

[sirderpsalot123]

Yes.