Why is hate speech towards men not condemned?

[marish01]

"Men are pigs" is not condemned
But if someone says "fat women are pigs" you know this won't be ignored.
I have talked to many feminists wjo justified the claim that men are rapists yet if you refuse to agree that all women are beautiful then you are a scum to them.

Why is it okay to say bad things about men?

[globetrotter22]

Because feminists twist emotion with logic in their arguments and to them emotion is fact. And they are usually indulging in some of the most depraved human emotions (greed, envy, hate, etc.). Men are usually better at separating the two given how our brains are wired.

Here is the bottom line: most women do not realize how much power they have with their sexuality. Even before the sexual rights revolution of the 60s women were still afforded many special privileges in law abiding societies via chivalry. Chivalry may be considered “sexist” to some but it also afforded women societal protection against violence, economic deprivation (starvation) and more leniency for criminal behavior. Women weren’t expected to take on the heavy burden of being providers and protectors. They also weren’t supposed to have sex until marriage.

Some women actually liked (and still today want) this kind of arrangement. It might of seemed boring and “oppressive”. But there is something deeply rewarding about marriage and raising a family. Modern feminists hate this with an unbridled passion. However I believe many of them are just miserable, bitter and in very deep denial.

[Diodoro]

It functions zimilar to feminism. In that it's not actually about equality. It's about the basic assumption that certain groups have less power than other groups and therefore we must embolden the group of lesser power, while limiting the group of more power.

In this circumstance women are considered a group of lesser power and therefore get a pass, while men are seen as a group of power and therefore must be limited.

That applies to all identity politics. That's why it's more acceptable to do things that are racist towards white people, but not okay to do so towards black people. White people are considered to be a group in power

I've literally heard somebody say that a black person cannot be racist because they do not have power to act on that disdain. That's all you need to hear to understand the mindset

[marish01]

I heard that.

[Cathy7734]

Tony Robbins says that we live by the stories we are telling ourselves. There are a group of people who believe all men are pigs. It's what they tell themselves every day. And guess what type of men they meet every day? Pigs. They "spin" whatever happens or whoever they meet to validate the stories they are telling themselves. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. For them, it's okay to say bad things about men because they believe it's the truth.

When you say, "fat women are pigs" that's not their story. They don't believe that and it's not true and shame on you for saying that.

[Xtcy2083]

It's hypocrisy, and it's utterly vile and disgusting! It's why not only am I not a feminist, but I actually hate feminism. Feminists are nothing more than fat, ugly, man-hating, radical nutcases. I wish them the very worst in life, living all alone in an old, empty, stinky house with 20 cats for company (although I'd feel sorry for the cats). It's the very least they deserve.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Such a wrong generalization.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Terribly wrong generalization. I only have 1 cat and I'm more of a dog person anyway.

Also, there is that whole being married, having kids and not hating men thing going on for me too.

[jerdanro]

1st wave feminism was a great thing. This latest incarnation seems pretty counter productive.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Do you think the same about mgtow/redpill incels?

[Xtcy2083]

@hi_it_is_me123 Yes, they're just as bad, and often worse. The entire MGTOW/Incel/Feminist movement should just disappear into a black hole, never to be seen, heard, or spoken of ever again.

[marish01]

Why?
What did they say?

[Xtcy2083]

marish01 - MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) are like the male equivalent to the radical feminists. They basically blame women for everything that has gone wrong in their sad little lives, and they're full of hate. Incels are mentally unbalanced, and will often turn violent (most school shooters are incels).

[marish01]

I haven't seen any comments of theirs about women equbalent to misandrists "kill all men" comment

[Xtcy2083]

Well, I have come across comments from them like that. However, if you really want to get to know what their "movement" is all about, nothing can quite beat going to a place where they congregate:
https://www.mgtow.tv/
Watch a video or two, and decide for yourself. In this one the speaker objectifies women, going on about how "the pretty girls who reject us nerds usually wind up fat"
www.mgtow.tv/.../...anted-men_n6Qd1ZK7SUBh2h3.html

[hi_it_is_me123]

Omg they have their own Website? I swear this is scary to me. What if they make screenshots of your posts and publish it on their Website or youtube channel and you get spammed/harrassed by the mgtow trolls. This happened to a female gag user 10 years ago

[MzAsh]

I think it’s pretty well condemned in some environments, like this one for example.

[marish01]

But not in the feminist community

[MzAsh]

Yeah but what can you expect?

[marish01]

Right what to expect from misandrists?
To condemn misandry? Lol

[InYourHead]

Fantastic question. I hate the term "hate speech" but there are definitely groups that are being protected from being offended while if you're a white male, Anything goes. Double standards.

[marish01]

Fantastic answer.

[Lionman95]

Because men and women work differently, while women organize in bigger groups and movements. Many men are either lone wolf or are part of a smaller group there is no movement that could defend men from such attacks because either men can´t or aren´t willing to organize something like that.
There´s no prominent voice like feminist movements or the LBQT community, body positivity or what ever movement as a male counterpart because in modern society males are the opressors and any movement like would be called misogynistic.

[AmandaYVR]

Men don't organize? That's completely delusional thinking.

Just ONE example is all the INCEL and MGTOW hate-against-women groups on the internet. Reddit shut down their biggest INCEL group because it was too toxic and hate-filled.
Throughout history women have been banned from all sorts of male groups and organizations. That is not the case anymore because women have fought to be included in all realms of society, but men (just like women) will continue to organize and form groups.

[anylolone]

@AmandaYVR lol!

What legislations MGTOW propose?

[Lionman95]

@AmandaYVR Yes and what is their view in public? These groups are ridiculed and many guys either make fun them or consider them as well toxic. The MGTOW forums and incel communities don´t claim to speak for all men (from my experience), they split guys into two groups the attractive chads and the unattractive majority.
I´m not saying that a global man right movement automatically has to exclude women, I´m just saying that whereas feminism has been started by some women for all womens rights, there is no male counterpart at the moment.

[marish01]

@AmandaYVR do you judge a man who says he gave up on dating women?

[AmandaYVR]

I started thinking about what to reply here, but it's complex and would take too much to address it properly so ultimately I've decided I just don't want to get into this. It's too negative and not a good use of my energy right now.
The topic the OP brought up is about hate speech, and that is relatively straightforward and something I'm against, no matter the gender, age, group, etc etc.
Lionman, I disagree that the incel and mgtow groups don't claim to speak for all men. No one needs to be using terms like 'chad' anyway. These groups are not unlike religions, where they are always looking to grow their members, and use tactics as such (though obviously religion claims to be about peace and love, but if you don't believe in their version of a religion then you are 'the other' or 'a non-believer.' Same difference with men who feel outcasts. And instead of calling the player guys out on what disturbance they cause to society and subsequently women's reactions to all men, the incels etc. typically point all blame squarely on all females.
Anyway, as I said, it's too much, and too negative, to get into further. And I have no interest in arguing the specifics of what groups organize to do, and whether those are through formal or informal channels. Point is, they get together, and form alliances and allegiances with like minds.

[AmandaYVR]

I understand why men give up on actively pursuing dating/women. Men have to take the far more active role, and when they are met with deafening silence, or worse, hostility, it's understandable they give up.

The issues happen when they turn that into overt anger and try to convince all other men that "women are no good, good for nothing."

[ManOnFire]

Because people are much more afraid of offending women than offending men. Granted, men generally have thicker skin, but that doesn't mean it's okay to just disparage us for everything all the time.

I personally am not offended by things women or anyone else says about men, whether it's an insult to our genitals or intelligence, whether in jest or seriousness. Sometimes some of those things are true. What I'm concerned about is can women handle it when things are said about their gender? Because most can't and throw out the same old, exhausted retorts of you being an "incel," "bitter," "misogynist," blah blah blah, instead of being mature enough to admit where they're falling short, because even men will agree with things said disparagingly about them at times.

Overall I'm more concerned about how women regard - or don't regard - men and their experiences, feelings, things they go through with women and relationships, etc.

[DaveJord]

Because guys, and especially white guys in the "Woke" and "Me To" era have been conditioned to accept passive sexism and racial shaming without complaint. Because that what real men do, we aren't whinners or complainers... we don't play the victim, or look for excuse or campouts and we never want to be seen as weak.

Most women are not strong, confident or secure enough with themselves to apricate a good man, as much as know how to treat one right.

[ArchivalMars2]

The short answer: for a guy to be socially protected is damaging it makes men look weak and like they can't speak up for themselves. Worse yet, if they retaliate it's just considered misogyny nowadays. Add in that guys are typically viewed as emotionally stoic to the media/etc, its practically seen that men might as well don't have emotions.

In the end, it doesn't help that we're in a time where it can cause men more problems than the argument is worth disagreeing with women in a lot of social media/political platforms these days. Not saying all women think this is ok, just saying that it is unfortunately a very common view now in a lot of places.

[Subarugirl]

That’s a valid point

[ohshee]

I don't know I have a little bit of a different look on it first of all men are pigs men are straight up pigs jerks dirty c u n t s and I say that and I believe it 100% because I watched it happen every single day and if guys call a girl fat or something in front of me I just turn around I walk away from the guy I don't want to be around him because I think that's one of the rudest things in the world just because their body is big that is not who they are on the inside this is why I kind of don't like people because they look at somebody and they judging just by the way they look and they don't even know them I think it's totally wrong I don't think it is I know it is

[Anonymous]

Bwc feminists have created an environment to hate men. We are just expendable trash to women and out lives don't matter to them one bit. This is why you don't let godless lesbians and bastard manbabies have power. Losers with daddy issues have ruined western society.

[marish01]

Well said.

[Opinion Owner]

Ty and sorry for the typos

[mstbooblover]

Interesting question. It is commonly accepted as an evidence that most men are at least a bit dirty minded when it comes to sex and women. Women are not innocent, far from that, but they are in most cases the victims of dirty minded guys. Also a matter of traditonal sexism on the part of both men and women : a man having many partners will be considered virile and will not often get criticism, but women having a similar behaviour will be called sluts... Many women are tired of that kind of jugdment.

[England4eva]

There are some amazing guys out there who do the right thing, who are being seen as a collective rather than an individual.
I’m not in favour of men or women, I’m in favour for who is right and that falls to whichever side depending on the moral truth in each situation.

[AmandaYVR]

Depends who you're talking to.
Hypocrisy can be anywhere.
On gag there is far more hate speech against women than there is against men. But both exist in degrees.
I condemn hate speech. I speak up to temper a lot of extremist and generalizing labels. It's lazy thinking.

[jerdanro]

I agree. There are a lot of angry people on GAG. A lot of hatred between the sexes and it's mostly people in their teens and early 20s. It kind of sad.

[MCheetah]

Because society sees all men who aren't rich and powerful as disposable. And we're raised to not see a problem with this. I don't approve of banning "hate speech" but I do agree society thinks it's okay to sh*t on men, while also claiming men run everything and that we live in "patriarchy." Blame feminism, just like so many other miseries in the world.

[Not_Average]

Dang. I honestly feel for you man. I think you need to take a look at everything from a third person perspective. Your emotions might be lapsing your judgement. While a social hierarchy exist, it typically isn’t as black and white as you’re saying. I’ve been in that same mindset after I got cheated on and it took my a while to get out. It’s exhausting. It’s going to poison your mind and you’ll start to look at every social dynamic in a pessimistic lens. It will become a self fulfilling prophecy. There’s a lot of psychological tricks that you can use to improve mindset. My unsolicited advice if you’re miserable, is to instill daily consistent habits that might alter the trajectory. You got this option which could possibly grant you freedom, and a happier life, or you can just continue down this route for a guaranteed result. I hope this doesn’t come across as condescending, but I honestly feel for you and I’ve been there too. Felt like I had to say something. I see a lot of your posts

[MCheetah]

@Not_Average
Thanks, I guess. I know you mean well, but what people usually do is apply their personalized band-aid solutions to a gaping flesh wound bleeding out on another person. Usually when people give advice, it's very superficial "just cheer up" wishy-washy stuff people say to make themselves, the speaker, feel better, and not to actually help. Not saying that's what you're doing. But what I am saying is, only I can fully understand my situation. No one else can.

I was doing kickboxing here in Korea, but the stupid-ass retarded government made all gyms require vax passes, so the one and only thing I had to focus on, is now gone. I want to lift weights really, but even without the BS COVID restrictions, I live in the middle of nowhere and outside of buying hundreds of dollars of equipment in an apartment I'm only living in until March, I have no way to do that either. So women will never be in my future, and the Korean government took the kickboxing gym away from me too. I'm just kind of lost and alone right now. But I think I'll find something. Thank you for the concern, though.

[marish01]

"Because society sees all men who aren't rich and powerful as disposable"

EAT THE RICH. Have you not seen AOC's dress. It was all over feminist pages.
Femimists hate white RICH man.

The only man whose death hurt their feelings was the criminal Floyd.

I read some feminist articles that insisted that misoginy should be considered a hate crime.

But according to them we should overlook misandry as either it doesn't exist or doesn't hurt men.

A misandrist is free to express her hatred as no one will take it seriously.
Imagine a homophobe expressing their hatred. Would people say it's just words? Lol

[Not_Average]

I can agree to a lot of what you're saying. A phenomena that's recently taken foothold in my head is how many useless "pretty" people there are. I see it a lot in sales. I honestly can't stand most people in real estate. There's an abundance of people who are not very bright and don't offer any real societal value, and are yet praised. There are a lot of motivation speakers who are top 10% genetics, who's only struggle is overcoming child-hood obesity or some shit. They fail to realize that their story in not unique, and that society lowers the bar of expectations when you're pretty. I feel blessed having the genetics I do, and I try my best to understand the logic behind all of it. Jordan Peterson contrasts the social hierarchy without cynicism in an interesting way if you ever get the chance to read his work.

It's a balanced perspective that I seek to achieve. When you're bitter, you give off a certain energy that people pick up on even if you try to conceal it. When you're happy, people naturally want to gravitate towards you. Something that opened my mind a lot is when I became Christian. No, I'm not about to preach. But Christianity is all about community, and one of the first things I noticed meeting Christian couples is that men were praised on the strength of their faith by women. Honestly, I see so many Christian couples in which the guy is conventionally unattractive, and the wife is beautiful. I had sneaking suspicions that they had money, but Christians are so open and honest, and the two couples I'm thinking about have none.

It just opened my mind to the idea that societal value can be subjective to a certain degree when it comes to varying culture.

[Not_Average]

I haven't at all mastered this topic or struggle between rationality and bitterness. It's something I'm going through right now.

[MCheetah]

@Not_Average
Thank you. I get what you're saying. I see it in other people; the difference between women smiling and the ones who never do. For me, it's a big "chicken and the egg" thing, and part of that pisses me off. The same people who'd treat someone like total sh*t in high school and make a guy develop depression or even become a misogynistic incel, will be the same people five years later telling you to "smile" and "be positive." Like the whole school shooter sh*t; the ones who bully these young men into becoming shooters will be the one the media will praise as "heroes" and "survivors" even though the blood is partially on their hands. No, I'm not excusing school shooters; they are still scumbags. I'm just saying, their mental breakdown isn't entirely their own doing and the ones who bully people into suicide or mass shootings aren't exactly innocent as people paint them out to be.

[MCheetah]

@Not_Average
And not to bring gender into this, but women are far more guilty of creating these monsters than men. I honestly think women are far crueler than men. Even men whoa re sworn enemies have this "bro code" and unspoken chivalry for each other. Like not kicking each other in the balls and leaving family and lovers out of their beef. Women don't seem to have that code of honor, to be honest. They're the type to get people to kill themselves on Twitter and are usually the ones most likely to rally Cancel Culture mobs.

And well... I grew up around more women than men. However, I'm not excusing men either. They can be assholes too. I'm just saying... Without sounding like a misogynist or incel, it's been women who have been more cruel to me in life than men. Saying I'm unworthy or that I'm a useless sack of sh*t for being 5'11" and thus, not a real man and all. It's taken me being red-pilled to an extent just to gain back some sanity and self-respect and not get sh*t on like some kind of simp. But maybe now I'm too far on the other side and need to find balance again. I think I get that.

[jshm2]

Because those men will often shootup schools and workplaces?

Joking aside, nothing any "feminist" can say to a man that can't be thrown back 10 times harder and sharper. But misandry isn't as much of a problem as you think it is.

Sure your average 4chan incel and Reddit dateless wonder will scream foul. But seriously, there are more crimes committed against women, than by women.

[anylolone]

Not in my experience.

Honestly nothing anything a feminist person say will affect a non feminist more than stuff even a 5yo would say.

[marish01]

Nothing justifies hating men.
Hating men is not less immoral than hating women.

[anylolone]

Explanations are different than justifications.

If it's a bad thing, I'm just bringing to attention how much of an ingrained pickle it's.

[TruthBringer]

#WokeFeminism

That's your answer right there. It's because of these people, their misandrism and double standards that groups like MGTOW came to life. But of course, in their eyes, if it is against a woman it is "misogyny" but for some reason they aren't being misandristic.

[normalice]

It is condemned constantly. But even if it werent real life consequences tend to get withheld for men with an understanding that is allotted to women. For example the Gilsaine Maxwell case. She was found guilty of trafficking young girls for sex. But what about the clients? The only person who will go to prison over this international pedo ring will be a woman. None of the men who had to stick their dicks into a frightened captive child will face any consequences or condemnation.

[normalice]

*is not allotted to women

[marish01]

Not really. A pedophile woman is refered as a woman who has sex with minors. Why is it rape only when it comes to male rapists?

[normalice]

My guess is mechanics. A penis has to be hard for any sort of sexual activity to occur, and that's not something that can easily be forced like penetration can be. So, older women who sleep with younger guys are assumed to be taking advantage of their ceaseless sexual energy for the sake of producing an erection that doesn't require them to win any beauty contests or whatever, but it's not assumed to be "forced." Whereas taking a girl captive on some island and physically abusing her if she makes the advances of old men feel unwelcome is precisely force.

[marish01]

But some women orgasm from rape. Does that make it not forced?

[normalice]

Of course it's still forced - if you inject someone with heroin against their will and they become an addict, the resulting love for heroin doesn't make that initial injection any less forced.

Indeed, that makes it even worse as one's own body makes a bunch of unwanted hormones they now have to associate with the experience every time they ever have an orgasm.

[marish01]

Just because they are hard that doesn't mean they want that woman.
A woman can be aroused but that doesn'tean she wants that man.

[marish01]

Besides raping a man is not all about penile penetration.

[normalice]

I'm aware of all of that. Your follow up question was why things are referred to the way they are. Perception is rarely defined by the exceptions unless the exceptions are bad enough to talk about and the average too dull to discuss.

[JessieBellll]

It's not just old men. Pedophiles can be young and old and force the kid. This is just a stereotype.

[JessieBellll]

And I agree that just because he is hard doesn't mean he wants her, it's still forcing a child to have sex.

@normalice you assume the boy wants it all the time, which is not true with most old women, women over 40+

[normalice]

Was wondering how long it would take you to sniff this thread out, lol 😅

[JessieBellll]

Off topic again, and your argument defeated, try harder next time

[normalice]

We've already gone over the topic and my opinions are the same as last time. I'm not going to sext some pedophilia with you. Get your kicks elsewhere.

[JessieBellll]

What are you talking about?
You are randomly going off topic
That's strange

[Deserter]

Because of simps. Simps are the reason women aren't held accountable for their actions and why many behave like egomaniacal children. Other egomaniacal women enforce this behaviour in eachother as "empowering" but it's really just hatred.

[marish01]

Simps say misandrist jokes are fun. Or they say women have good reaspns to be angry.
By being angry they mean hating men

[Deserter]

And then they flip out if you tell a light-hearted joke about women. It's disgusting how they throw men under the bus. They want to pretend like they're just being respectful towards women but really they're just sychophants. Where are they when a fellow man is struggling? Nowhere to be found. They only have "empathy" for women.

[Anonymous]

It's the whole postmodernism-fueled identitarian bullshit that's sweeping through everything. Basically it sets up the world as a bunch of oppressors (successful people) and oppressed (losers) categories and basically says that nothing can be bad if it's done by the oppressed to the oppressors. So some may say for example that it's impossible for black people to be racist in America and that only white people can be racist. A classic example is that if a black person voted for Obama only because he's black that's totally cool, but if some white person voted for Romney only because he's white--that person is a racist piece of shit. To be clear, I think both such individuals are complete morons, but they're the same level of moron. But that's not a popular view these days.

[Hangry06]

Double standards
Do people not understand what that term means?

[hi_it_is_me123]

You talk to fake feminists or do you fabricate this bs. I have seen done of posts and questions and in majority of posts and questions you just trashtalk feminism or women. Give me your sources. Women get called liar when they say they get raped by a famous person for example.

[hi_it_is_me123]

You can talk to mgtows or reddit incel so you can see what hate speech is. You are clearly a simp

[hi_it_is_me123]

You can disprove me by making the same question about redditt incels/mgtow. Then i will apologize myself.

[hi_it_is_me123]

.. ton of posts..**

[hi_it_is_me123]

Look at the posts under your question. Many of them just trashtalk women.

[hi_it_is_me123]

So it is the opposite.

[justadude5610]

Because they often are

[genericname85]

obviously cause nobody gives a shit about men. women have exclusive rights for feeling good about themself.

[marish01]

Some feminists do believe women should say or do whatever they want if it makes them happy.

[genericname85]

well most of the feminists are unreasonable, uneducated people that follow hashtags and propaganda that is based on lies.

there are certainly countries where feminism is theoretically necessary but not in any western first world country that i know.

[marish01]

Feminism is necessary?
Those witches can help oppressed women?
I doubt it.
Modern feminism is unable to solce anything.

[genericname85]

i mean in societies where women actually are supressed. like india or arab countries. there it makes sense for women to want liberation and equal rights and equal opportunity. this was what original feminism was about.

yes modern feminism is bullshit. i fully agree. and even the original feminism fought for shit that 99% of women at the time did not want.

[marish01]

I know oppressed women need help but not feminism.

[genericname85]

well there's hardly any reasonable social movements these days anyway. there's stuff that feminism could go for but it instead keeps pushing false information to rile people up.

[Lovesims3plumbob]

No matter what men are you. some of women going always will tried and hurt them but they just some men will do. thing that i hate most of about Morden. they even hate spech guy with learning disabity. they don't understand anythiing they did wrong. acting crazy is not going to help with men with learning disabity. they always has a lot of hate spech.

[yyyuuuiii]

Wtf did I just read lol

[Heartache0405]

Another drunk 😂

[Lovesims3plumbob]

@Heartache0405 how rude I am for hhaving a learning disability.

[Lovesims3plumbob]

I have a learning disability and don't be a meathead.

[David_Kek]

Because reproductively one very happy man can do the work of millions. When it comes to women however, every uterus counts. It's just economics when it comes to the value of human life. That's why you see more misandry in urban cities than you do in harsh rural environments, for male labour is worth a lot more when cattle need rearing or trees need cutting down.

[Grond21]

The problem is they are possessed by a hateful ideology. They believe they are constantly a victim and therefore they can be disgusting to other people but no one can say anything negative towards them. It's classism and victim mentality at its worst. And it will only breed more hate

[Seangreen]

Cuz we don't bitching whine and cry about it because it's words. We don't waste time with getting hurt by your fucking words it was a waste of fucking effort reviews doing something else instead of worrying about what somebody said to you like how they what they called you Jesus Christ what are we we all kindergarteners or some shit

[notwoke]

because discrimination against men is "ok:, encouraged and even legally mandated by society. Men are disposable. This is why me like me have "opted out" of things like marriage and fathering children and actively doing anything that might help anyone except other white men. All my shit is paid for and I control my destiny

[nikoluushkaa]

It's not ok to say bad things about anyone. But most women think its ok because it balances the scales of oppression in their mind.

I don't agree but if it makes them feel better to generalize and judge then more power to them.

[marish01]

Now they want to be like the scumbags they claim to hate so much.

[TheFlak38]

the tradthot virtue signalling cam-whore always pretends to be for men's rights until it's time for a man to tell her to shut her stupid fuckin mouth and get back in the kitchen. Then she shows her true colours and throws such temper tantrums that you can't distinguish between her and a standard issue social justice warrior feminist.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Because its a way to protect women who are far more weak and fragile then men.

Men being socially protected makes them weak.

A society or nation that has a majority of weak men that need to be protected makes that nation extremely vulnerable.

[DJB72]

It's the same logic that's used in South Africa to say it's not racist to tell a white person you're not hiring them because they're white.

The double standard is sickening in both cases.

[Guanfei]

Because it's 2021, where hate speech toward white people, straight people and men are not only tolerated, but encouraged.
And in some place in the US, even openly legal. By the same people preaching "peace and equality"

[Subarugirl]

Hate speech is legal in the United States

[Guanfei]

@Subarugirl Try to do it towards "protected groups" and tell me how it goes. Try to hate on black people, gays or even women, the same way they do toward us. I mean by openly called to put us in camp, murder us, or segregate us.

[JohnK123]

@Subarugirl not openly though

[Subarugirl]

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/.../...mendment.html

Just in case you wanted to know what is legal

[JohnK123]

@Subarugirl everyone was legal in the past
People just created laws and they built up

[shadowarrior99]

You know... I actually never thought about that before. Which is terrible and shows how women also try to control and manipulate men through social and shaming means.

[Guardian45]

It's NOT okay, but the pendulum has now swung way past equilibrium. If men say anything, we'll just be accused of being sore rapists/losers/incels/lone wolves/MGTOWs.

It is up to women like you to now stop and say: WDAF? I'm NOT going to accept this pile of horse dung anymore!

Restore the Equilibrium!

[Interstate]

It isn't good to talk bad about anybody. Today's society is about stereotypes and judging. Everyone feels we have to think like them or we are wrong, but at the same time people don't stop to consider what if THEY are wrong?

[all_hayl]

Unfortunately society is chock full of double-standards. People are very insecure, selfish, arrogant, easily offended (insecure) etc etc.
Add these ingredients together, and therein lies the answer to your question.

[Bobfatherx6x9x]

Because being a man your not supposed to let things like name calling bug you, there is way more stuff going on that there is no time to cry about someone calling you something or talking crap about ya, but that's just my thoughts on the subject... Have a great day...

[marish01]

I didn't say men should cry over it.
I am saying misandrists should be condemned just as much as misogninists

[Heartache0405]

Hope I’ll be alive to see that day. And I’m only 25

[Jouth]

Good point. But why is hate speech towards tortillas not condemned?

Tortillas, both flour and corn are subjected to discrimination, harassment and flavored meats, every day. As an unprotected community, they are vulnerable to everything.

Tortillas need a voice, and I can be that Voice. Let us hear that voice,
let us hear it's call,
and let us ignore it no more.

[supercutebutt]

People call me names on here all day, everyday. Nothing is ever done. So that should make snowflakey men feel better. :)

[marish01]

But people call names to the entire gender and no one seems to care.

No one seems to care

[Moose304]

I'm not going to get too deep into this topic. I will just say I don't like being around toxic people. I don't care what their plumbing is or the color of their skin. Once I deem you to be toxic I stop having anything to do with you!

[exitseven]

Because men, particularly white men are not a member any any protected group.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

My friend, their protected group is basically just how society has worked for hundreds of years. We have protected groups for other races and genders because of years of oppression from that very group you say is not protected.

[Anonymous]

Normalcy bias, mostly. Hate toward men has been "normalized" over the last few decades, so everything men do or say is considered wrong.

They don't call media "programming" for no reason

[bean2k21]

There's no political motivation not to condemn it
If people saying I was a pig kept me from voting, getting a job,
owning property, being a slave, etc.
Then I think there would be a more concerted effort
To condemn it.

[Anonymous]

"Make a couple of great friends, find yourself a good woman, and always know that you loved by me. As a man, it is so important to build your own support system because the world will never care about you the way the world cares about your sisters."

Probably the best advice my dad ever game me. I was 15 when he said this me and it has always stuck with me.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

But it is acceptable to say bad things about both men and women. Who cares with what a few idiots think you still can and should say whatever you want.

[marish01]

They are tooany feminist idiots

[Heartache0405]

Too many people tricked by the idea of feminism. They still think it’s a good thing. They must think putting down men at every turn is a good thing. Then wonder why men hate them so

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That's a very generic generalizing. Feminists that I know have no issue calling women out on their bad behavior.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 we talked before. I know you had bad experiences, but I had very good ones. We can't generalize on your or my experiences.

[Heartache0405]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8, ok? and?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 and so this:
"They still think it’s a good thing" doesn't make sense.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 and much less this:
"They must think putting down men at every turn is a good thing"

[Heartache0405]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8, So I’m not allowed to say what I think because you don’t agree? Sense when was that a law

[Heartache0405]

Seems you’ve been around women too much @This_Is_My_Opinion8. You’ve become like them.

[marish01]

You met many good feminists. Most of the feminists (if not all) were insecure, stupid, aggressive women.

[Heartache0405]

Bingo 👆🏻

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Then here, let me fix that for you.

Speaking as a feminist, women like that are just as bad as men who do it. On the plus side, it does mean we have a measure of equality. Both sides are stupid for doing it.

Better?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 you misunderstood. I said it didn't make sense. Not that you shouldn't say it.
You MUST say it as much as you want. By all means. And I will say that it doesn't make sense as much as I want also. That's how it works.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 the idea that having this or that belief makes you a man or a woman is just irrational. Sometimes I hate being the guy that stands in the middle of the bridge refusing to go to either side because I get attacked from literally both.

[Heartache0405]

What’s the point when it’s just pointless back and forth? I just wanted to state my opinion. I wasn’t looking for a continuous back and forth with a fem-male that won’t go anywhere and just cause me to seeth on my last day of vacation. @This_Is_My_Opinion8. Go look for an argument with someone else. Marish01 seems interested. Why not have a conversation with her? Or is it because I’m a man who hates feminists? And it’s ok for women to do because they’re women

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 you were the one who came here talking under my comment. And now you are telling me to go somewhere else for an argument?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ez-Bri-Z @heartache0405 is not going to get that. Neither @marish01 is.

[Heartache0405]

You sound like a pissed off woman 😂 @This_Is_My_Opinion8

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Oh is it that guy? He has me blocked I guess for making too much sense before and calling out his victim complex.

It's fine. I still stand by what I said though. Don't worry. Some of us are on that bridge with you.

😉

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 you are deflecting and throwing cheap insults. And I am acting like an upset woman?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ez-Bri-Z I know and thank you.
About him, yes he is making zero sense. Basically deflecting and throwing cheap insults.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I mean, it isn't really an insult to be thought of as a woman either. We are pretty super awesome possum.

He uses it like an insult because he sees us as less than him when in reality he is craving attention from us. Kinda warped, isn't it?

[Heartache0405]

please, make me look bad. Makes feminists, the so called advocates for equality between woman AND MEN look heroic and definitely not misandristic

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ez-Bri-Z he claimed in another repost that he was falsely accused in another post and had several problems due to it. Clearly any accusation that was made, if any was actually made, was legit.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Heartache0405 but I am not making you look bad. You are doing that yourself. We could just had a conversation where we didn't agree, but we kept cordial. But you had to start insulting and now here we are.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I remember him.

I won't touch on the supposed false allegations as I don't know anything but his side of the story, but I will say, it gives no excuse as for his attitude on women. Lots of us are sexually assaulted or worse by men on a daily basis and yet still can end up in relatively healthy relationships later in our lives with a different guy.

His was a false allegation claim. I could understand being pissed at that person, but to hold it against women overall is just needing an excuse to justify his misogynistic attitude overall.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ez-Bri-Z and that is why you indeed are in the center of the bridge.

[Junior__]

They're just words dear. We can take it.
I just ignore it.

[marish01]

But those words come from trashy, hateful bitches.
Those words express their personality.
If soneone said bad things about gays, would you say "it's just words"?

[Junior__]

Point taken. But I don't know what anyone would do to stop feminists from running their mouths. You described them perfectly though I must say.

[marish01]

Misandrist authors have had great success. Society appreciates them.

[marish01]

For stopping them we should start calling them out.

[Anonymous]

Men are pigs isn't hate speech. Saying something flippantly isn't hate speech.

It's ok to say how you feel about anyone as long as you're punching up not down that's the difference.

Saying men are pigs as a woman is punching up because men are "above us".
Saying fat women are pigs as a skinny/fit man is a double punch down.

There's a difference between a wealthy person calling someone a rich bitch and a poor person calling someone a rich bitch. P

[Heartache0405]

And women wonder where all the good successful men are 😂

[Opinion Owner]

@Heartache0405 with successful women

[Heartache0405]

Good for them 🙂

[globetrotter22]

@Heartache0405 “ There's a difference between a wealthy person calling someone a rich bitch and a poor person calling someone a rich bitch. ”

So in other words women are inherently oppressed at birth?

[Heartache0405]

I wouldn’t say they are, no. If anything they’re far more privileged than men at least in America.

[globetrotter22]

@Heartache0405 and where has that led? More misery and greed.

[Opinion Owner]

@globetrotter22 yes. Women are oppressed.

[Heartache0405]

Agreed, @globetrotter22

Disagree completely, @OpinionOwner

[globetrotter22]

You know OP you might get the sugar high of thinking victim hood is merit. But in the long it’s going to bring you tremendous unhappiness

[Heartache0405]

I’m sure she’ll figure that out on her own, @globetrotter22. She is a woman. They’re supposedly smarter 😂

[anylolone]

Girl, you sound like Hitler with Jews.

[Opinion Owner]

@Heartache0405 I'm sure you do disagree. After all you're not the one experiencing it and obviously choose to be blind to it.

[anylolone]

Do you have any idea what men go through?
Do you even care?

[Heartache0405]

Right, @OP. I’m the one blind to it.
By the way, when is your next pedicure? You gonna get Starbucks before you go? Don’t forget to use your bf’s money for it all. Otherwise you’d look bad around the other woman going with you

[Opinion Owner]

@anylolone I do. and I do care. But men having issues doesn't mean that women don't also have issues.

[marish01]

Do you realize you tried to justify misandry.
Women who hate men are not better than men who hate women.

[marish01]

Being oppressed doesn't mean they shouldn't be judged for being scumbags.

[globetrotter22]

Thank you. Truth is we need more women like you speaking out against this crap.

[Opinion Owner]

All I'm justifying are jokes and flippant comments. I can't say men are pigs but they can make the assumption I'm/women are gold diggers?

[anylolone]

What issues men go through?
You say you care, so list them.

[Heartache0405]

Of course she’ll know the issues men go through. She perpetuates half of them if not all

[jerdanro]

In what eays are women oppressed in the U. S? In what ways have you personally been oppressed?

[Opinion Owner]

@anylolone mental health, not being taken seriously if they aren't super masc, expected to be the bread winner, body types not being represented in media and clothing, crying is considered weak.

[anylolone]

So nothing but feminist bullshit?

No ipv? Men are even robbed more often than women.
DV? Women partake in physical aggression against their partners more often when it's not reciprocal, and when it's, they initiate more often.
Not to forget mother's beat boys up more than girls, as well as fathers.
Homelessness.

Quite literally no law or policy discriminate against women, several against men.

[Opinion Owner]

@jerdanro I don't live in the US but the abortion bill should be enough for you. When was there ever a law written explicitly banning men from doing something to their own bodies.

Other things especially regarding reproductive rights. Did you know most Drs won't let women get their tubes tied or hysterectomies (even in cases of emergency) without checking with their partner first. What if your partner wants kids they ask. Yet no questions asked for a vasectomy.

Did you know car safety was designed specifically for men?

Let's not forget body hair. I remember being shamed at 5 years old for having dark arm and leg hair. Women shouldn't have body hair right. I'm sure you for some reason think body hair on women is disgusting.

[marish01]

What is the law that allows men to kill their own offspring?
Do what you want with your body but don't kill another body.

[Opinion Owner]

Do what you want with your body. That's all that needs to be said. I'm not going to get into an abortion debate. I made my point.

[anylolone]

Sorry, but you need to get into an abortion debate to justify the murder of a viable child 9months of development.

[Heartache0405]

And your point is a very misandristic one and is rightfully being called out @OP

[marish01]

As long as you don't kill another body.
Don't miss this part.

[anylolone]

Also, if anyone hits you with their car in an accident where they were negligible and your baby dies in your belly dies, they respond to negligent homicide, regardless of it's development.

[marish01]

@anylolone you are wasting your time.
Women who get pleasure from thinking abortion is empowerment never care if it is murder.

[Opinion Owner]

@anylolone yes because the mother didn't consent to that happening.

Do hospitals get charged for taking people off life support at the wishes of the next of kin? No. Because it was consented.

[marish01]

Didn't consent?
So in that case unborn is a human?

[Heartache0405]

How is she still considered a mother if she's aborting the baby? @OP

[Opinion Owner]

@Heartache0405 because we are talking about vehicular manslaughter not abortion duh

[Heartache0405]

Sorry for not reading ahead, all I read was something about an unborn human. But hey you acted exactly like a woman instead of being nice sooooo

[anylolone]

It's either a life or it isn't, what makes a life is not the whims of any single human being, you goddamn monster!

It's either a human being with rights, making it murder any purposeful termination of it's existence, or it isn't, anything else is being hitler thinking he has a right to decide who's human and who isn't on a fucking whim.

And still, destroy your point, your point was that if it was a man, congratulations, you just destroyed your goddamn point, Ms spawn of pol pot!

[Opinion Owner]

@anylolone so ending life support is murder?

[anylolone]

Depending on the circumstance, yes.
Ending life support to anyone stable and a good prospect is murder.
There's a slew of psychopathic nurses and doctors in jail because of it, the famous "angels of death".

Also, irrelevant because your point is that it would be different for guys.

Wanna know what's not murder? Not starting life support if there's a little document from the patient saying "do not resuscitate".

Which is why I said "viable baby". Note that the standard for life support is whether the person is likely to survive without it eventually. Your standard for abortion is "even if the baby can survive outside of the mother and it's completely developed".

And you know all of this, you just expect me not to know, you just expect to bullshit your way through.

But I want you to know that everyone around you know they can leave you to die if you need emergency assistance, after all, that's the moral framework you live through.

[globetrotter22]

You guys are all just wasting your time with the OP. The bottom line is she believes that since women (1st world women?) are still inherently “oppressed” so double standards favoring them are not only acceptable but encouraged.

Anybody with that deranged mindset can not be reasoned with not persuaded. She’s actually most likely miserable due to circumstances that have nothing to do with sexism. But this attitude makes her feel better despite being ultimately self destructive.

[Heartache0405]

Very well said @Glovetrotter22

[anylolone]

@globetrotter22 Seriously, you don't think making little pol pot lose her sleep is worth it's time in gold?

[globetrotter22]

@anylolone don’t you think she isn’t used to getting this kind of backlash? I bet she actually enjoys the drama and attention. Any attention is lifeblood for people like her even if it’s usually negative. It gives them a sense of validation of being “in the fight”.

Anyway we just need more women speaking out against this bs. When I see women who seriously care about male problems it makes me more open minded to hearing their side of the story. They are trying to figure out WHAT is right bs. BEING right.

Those women are in the minority but they do exist.

[Opinion Owner]

Can't win with you lot 😂 I agreed that men have issues. But it's fucking annoying when you act like only one gender can have them.

[globetrotter22]

OP I seriously hope you do some soul searching on why you feel these generalizations about men. I bet you had some bad experiences with men and/or a less than ideal father.

TBH I have had some horrifying experiences with women (one ex in particular) that still haunt me to this day. I have experienced reverse sexism in the work place (I had two former jobs were most of my colleagues were women). I have been sexually harassed and even threatened when I turned a girl down one time.

It’s easy to get jaded and many ways I am. But I know this will only make things worse.

But the truth is you have societal advantages being a women that you don’t even realize. You also have disadvantages. But instead of having an attitude that “men are pigs” why don’t you first ask men what the hell is bothering them. Listen to them. Right or wrong we just want to be listened to. THEN bring up your perspective. You might be surprised at the results.

[Opinion Owner]

@globetrotter22 I don't go around just calling men pigs. I'd only ever use it in appropriate circumstances. Aka when a man is being a pig. Like I said I'm defending the use In A flippant and joking way. Like the man who tried to grab my crotch last night, and his friends just laughing about it. In that moment those men are pigs. But again why is that not ok but insinuating I'm a prim and proper gold digger is perfectly acceptable?

[globetrotter22]

Let’s get away from the pig vs. gold digger comparisons.

Are you American? Did a man seriously try to grab your crotch and were his friends seriously about it? Not saying it didn’t happen but nowadays in the culture we live in that sounds very far fetched.

But anyway words have power. Women take comments like “whore, slut, cunt” seriously and personally. Men get called every name in the book. It’s justified if it’s in response to an incident like you described above. But let me ask you this: have you ever called a guy a “creep” despite him doing nothing to you and just giving you bad vibes? Looking someone up might be bad taste but it’s not illegal. But women call label guys creeps all the time despite the guy doing absolutely nothing wrong besides committing the grave sin of looking a certain way and/or having personality quirks.

Anyway I am sorry that pos did that to you. It is a bit hard to believe (and I have seen countless women lie and exaggerate.). But if that really did happen that was disgusting and wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

@globetrotter22 no I'm not American and yes that really happened. It's not the first time anything like that has happened. Only times I've ever called anyone a creep is when they are being straight up creepy. I'm not a monster.

[globetrotter22]

Where are you from? That might change this conversation.

[Opinion Owner]

@globetrotter22 it doesn't. Women all over the world have been telling men that this shit happens all the time and we just get told we are lying. Even when there's cold hard proof. It's fucked up. I can't speak for every woman but if I saw a woman trying to grope a man I would say something. If they were my friend I would rip into them hard.

[globetrotter22]

No the region you live in makes a huge difference. Do you live in the Middle East? India? Latin America?

If you live in USA, Australia, South Africa, NZ, Canada or Western Europe than I have little sympathy for you. But if you are from a non western country that’s a different story.

[Opinion Owner]

@globetrotter22 why little sympathy? Experiencing shit like that is disgusting no matter where you live. You're wanting sympathy for name calling but you won't give it for literal sexual harassment.

[anylolone]

You can't win because you suck.
Like hitler, you started an unwinnable war against the world.

You just projected so hard here that it's laughable.
"It's annoying when you act like" do you have no self awareness?

[PeachJuice]

Um, because who cares about men? lmaoo. They're supposed to be strong and can take that type of shit, not be whiny babies and cry over it.

[Sorue]

I don't think it is ever okay to say things like that, but I don't know what one can say to change the mind of someone so hateful and closeminded

[MemeSupreme]

it's so easy to jump on the hate train and shit on things with it being "okay"

[Lliam]

It's not okay. Any blanket statement like that is ignorant and deserves a response.

[DJaQueef]

Some of us don't care. We will get our revenge by pulling an upper decker when you least expect it.

[Nazgol]

Maybe because they were burned in the past by men and it greatly affected them, so this is their way of expressing themselves & taking it out

[anylolone]

Aren't men burned by women?

[Heartache0405]

Constantly. Even by their girlfriends! @anylolone

[Nazgol]

@anylolone well that's my opinion. Like it or not

[Nazgol]

And yes, men can be burned too but they have a way of expressing themselves more freely and their actions & behaviors that hurt women are considered normal and "ok" e. g. being a player. But if a female tries to do any of those she's quickly labeled different names like b***, psycho & faces double standards

[justadude5610]

You're sick... this is like killing germans for what "they" did to jews last century

[Nazgol]

@justadude5610 talking to me? Well why not. Maybe cause it had a big impact? And if u wanna talk about that, that was genocide. Pretty extreme

[justadude5610]

"Why not" go to feminististan

[anylolone]

The world is filled with female players, a player is nothing but a slut.
The things that get women called bitch and psycho get men in jail.

[Nazgol]

@anylolone so ur saying women never went to jail for anything?

[Heartache0405]

Not enough women go to jail for anything @Nazgol

[anylolone]

I'm saying women are less likely to go to jail for the same crime and with the same record.

Frequently even for literally the same crime.

[BeMuse]

Hate speech is commie bullshit. Real men aren't communists.

[msc545]

Men don't count unless they are making money for women to spend or protecting women.

[LZPanzer]

Because women are a protected class and most that behave this way are coddled

[Jintendo18]

Because men are considered disposable and replaceable by society, whereas children and women regardless of their age have inherent value just for existing.

[Anonymous]

Because it is accepted by the general populace that men have always been the "oppressors" of women so its ok to do all of the things that men have allegedly done to women to men. Perhaps it's sort of a "revenge" thing.

[Staximus]

I don't know what those feminazis are talking about. I would rather shoot myself in the balls with my shotgun than rape anybody.

[marish01]

No, no need to do either.

[Staximus]

Haha

[marish01]

😊😊😊

[Northernmost84]

Complicated issue
We should not be abusive to the opposite gender period.
I guess the solution is be respectful and kind
Laws are starting to reflect that woman can be abusive and they can be charged with domestic violence

[Citizenkirk]

I guess I'm too busy being with people who don't engage in that kind of behavior to notice.

[bannacookies]

Because men are masculine, & tougher than weak women & can therefore handle it when a mere woman calls them names.
Yeah, I'm joking.