Most men of any generation are not gentrified, and most women of any generation are not lady like.
Not everyone tries to mimic victorian era rich european behavior. I certainly don't, I don't even want a woman who is lady like.
I want a woman who yells the word tiddies in public and giggles over it after eating an entire pizza by herself and not gaining a pound because she burns too many calories playing fighting games on consoles. I want a lewd, silly, obnoxious person who likes having snakes and spiders as pets, doesn't say please, and swears like a truck driver.
Because the rewards of behaving like a gentleman fell off, and the hazards and risks of being a gentleman skyrocketed. When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it:
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Try to wrap your head around this.
Collectively, men will do ANYTHING to get laid. We've fought wars, sailed oceans, won Superbowls and Olympic medals, climbed mountains, amassed fortunes, composed sonnets, sang ballads, travelled to the Moon, all to impress the women in our lives and get laid . If acting like a gentleman or being a gentleman, resulted in us getting laid, we'd all be gentlemen. It's easier than winning medals and climbing mountains.
My guess is women have tossed those gentlemen in their friendzone or those ladies don't look at them as romantic partners, they don't connect with them at all and end up hooking up with guys who treat those ladies like shit.
When those ladies get treated horribly by those bad boys/men whores/players,.. they will definitely go back to those gentlemen and talk their hearts out to them like those gentlemen are all psychology counselors,... then either those ladies will either go back to those guys which treated them horribly in the first place,... or they will break it off from them and go with someone else who is either a little better or worse.
Guess what? ... those gentlemen are still in the friendzone and will never have that chance.
is this factual and true? or jus a preconceived notion you've conjured up in your head? you could be asking this same question 30yrs ago, it may feel like there's less gentlemen, but thats because there never really was that many gentlemen, ever, its in our dna to spread our seed as much as possible, you really think 20yr old guys didn't jus pump and dump in the 90s too? young men have always been this way, we wanna have fun and enjoy life while we are young... its the older men that are gentlemen, its been this way forever, so look for old guys
maybe because ur expecting young 20yr old men to be gentlemen, thats why it seems this way, expecting 20yr old men to gentlemen is a wish upon a star darlin
For example. As far as I remember — Ryan's character also reads her poetry at night and when she suffers with forgetfulness, he reminds her stuff again and again without expecting much in return. Is this guy some kind of model for male behavior? Because you ain't finding him. He only exists between film reels and pages, girl
Being a gentleman is essentially treating women like they are special. And in the past women WERE special, but most women today are not. In fact, feminism as worked very hard to make sure women are not special, and they have succeeded for the most part. Most women are no longer special and they have lost the privilege of being treated as special.
Being a gentleman is a traditional male gender role. Very few women today are willing to put themselves in the corresponding traditional female gender role, but the ones who are tend to get snatched up (married) by the high value men who deserve those women. The rest get the leftovers.
I'm one of the lucky few guys who found and married a great woman. I treat her like she's special, because she is and she deserves to be treated like gold.
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, chivalry means "very polite, honest, and kind behavior, especially by men towards women".
You and I both know that it refers to men treating women as if they are special. And today's women are definitely not that. The expectation by women that men should behave chivalrously is traditional sexism in its purest form. Nice try though.
It doesn't say only towards women does it? Are you implying that men should not be polite, kind and honest, and that if they are they are treating someone special? I didn't realize those qualities mean treating someone special, sounds more like basic human decency to me.
@Subarugirl You and I both know chivalry has always been about more than just being polite, kind and honest, and it has always been about men's special treatment of women. Things like a man going around and opening her car door, pulling out her chair, giving up his seat for her, offering her his jacket, walking on the outside of the sidewalk. The list goes on and on, and these are things a gentleman was expected to do in the past, but women never did for a man. And they go way beyond just being polite. Women of the past deserved that special treatment, but today's women generally don't. You're just being dishonest here and you and I both know it. I'm not going to waste any more time on your dishonesty. Buh bye.
There are plenty of nice people (men and women). There are plenty of gentlemen and ladies. The thing is average and below-average males are non-existant in women's views. Most women are focused on good-looking men. The "Chads" and who is 6' tall and make 6 figures. The trouble with "Chads" is they have lots of options. So they can be rude to people and still have women lined up to meet them.
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No guy should be like that anymore at least in their younger years. Ask a question here, do you like bad boys. See most women will date bad boys in their younger years as they are more fun. If guys are going bad that means it's more rewarding in dating. I have seen it in real life. The player dudes get 5-6 girlfriend in a month whereas a nice, shy guy get none in years. But most women after sleeping with bad boys and finding out they cannot sustain a relationship they look for a good guy and the good guys after years of being single get used up women. There's nothing wrong with these, nice guys sleeping around too if they get older and get more resources. So there will be very very few good guys. Every choice has consequences and both men and women should bear them.
It’s not men fault. It’s not even women or mothers fault either. It’s an agenda that clearly has been working out and it’s been in a roll since many years now. Probably since 70s.. what stupid with us both genders is that we can’t escape it it’s not easy. We are also getting mentally executed. To tired to even create and plan a proper - tmrw even let alone a future. Plus going to school 5-7 days a week and media like IG is clearly messing up people. Brainwashing at the finest
I believe this to be true but the brainwashing is also making it happen. It is individuals fault though. They choose bad choices because they allow themselves to be control by the narrative. People don’t know how to physically interact anymore. All you see is online dating and … yeah people arnt exactly at their best when they arnt held accountable.
Women are worse about not being held accountable. Men are just as guilty but men pay for mistakes more generally but it seems women don’t.
Basically anything in life works this way. If there's not enough of something it's because there's either a lack of incentive or disincentive in place.
So look at what incentive is there for men or what disincentive is there if any
Exra smart girls happened. Radicalisation happened. Worse to worst attitude happened. Karens happened. Dads are unimportant parents happened. Self-glorification happened. Thinking that men are natural foes of women happened. Abuse of language, physical abuse, neglect from law happened.
All of these things combined, and then a girl being left out is a very low probability. Taking the chances are definitely not at all worth it.
There's no shortage toots. You girls just made it clear you wanted the fukboyz instead. Now you got your just desserts. You ride the cock-carousel for a decade, all the while spurning perfectly suitable mates, just hanging on to that childhood fantasy that some handsome prince was going to swoop in and sweep you off our feet. Yes, you were duped. I blame the crappy generation of parents my generation raised. Sorry hon.
Because culture changed. Women want to be treated like queens without treating their man like a king. I get it, guys had too much power in society and abused it but women are now doing the same and don't understand why they only get attention from fuck boys.
How so? I spank my girlfriend, sometimes she needs it. The amount of men who just hit their girlfriend or wife out of the blue is absolutely miniscule. The reason it seems so much is because there often is a reason, man comes home wife is drunk and throws a plate at his head and then rightfully so he should slap her upside the head to put her in her place. You got to run your own household and not rely on the police to maintain your relationship for you. Smh.
But this story isn't whats widely discussed although this and similar scenarios are quite common. Its ridiculous to think police and making it legal or illegal will accomplish much in terms of enforcement because it almost always is a he said she said in a private location and neither party usually wants to press charges. Or if they do want to press charges they somehow still want the other person to be available to them for sex bills childcare... how ridiculous. Nothing good ever comes of it. Whereas if the husband just slaps her upside the head and says you throw a plate at my head again ill knock you twice as hard next time... actually can resolve the issue. Its like dealing with a child. Catering to a kids tempertantrum ensures it will become a regular occurrence. Strict punishment typically ends such behavior.
Their is no need for men to be gentlemen is what I am seeing from other men. I mean what does it get you? A smile and a thank you. I mean in todays world sex is pretty much free as long as your attractive and know what/how to say it so why bother trying to do anything that's to old fashion just because a woman says so. I do not know if this is good or bad, but hey it is what it is. Good luck ladies and gentle's
Women don't value it -- generally speaking -- so guys opted out of putting in the effort. Now if a woman is really acting classy/lady and a guy believes it's genuine he may be a gentleman for her. But he also knows there's plenty of women who have no problem being a total whore for guy #1 and acting all reserved and hard to get with guy #2... so most guys just opted out of all the trouble.
You're seriously asking what happened? Where have you been the last 30 or so years? I'll give you a few clues, and I'll let you piece together the rest: MeToo Third-Wave Feminism Political Correctness "Toxic Masculinity" Affirmative Action No-fault divorce "Karens"
I find it funny how it’s only the non-gentlemen or assholes who are saying dumb shit. There are good men out there, but people are normalizing disgusting behaviour in both genders, so everyone just kinda sucks. The good men are out there, you’ll find one if you deserve one, but trust me, none are on this app, so this is the last place I’d ask. It’ll just fume a bunch of single incels who hate women, like half of these comments here.
It’s collectively known that a guy is an asshole is they say stuff like “women don’t deserve good men and they don’t even bring anything to the table, they’re useless” but keep fighting I guess. Your colors are showing.
Again, you betray yourself. If we actually read my comments there's obviously nothing I've said that's misogynistic. So acting like you've pointed anything out is again showing the absence of basis which I've pointed out.
What makes it a fallacy is that nothing shows anything to support your claim. It's just you saying "everyone thinks this way" when that's not a reasonable argument to make even if it were true. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Women treated them like shit, and those who didn't find someone just changed, because being a gentleman only makes you a tool. I tried it for a while, even before I reached adulthood. You know what I got from it? Pain, loneliness, and being used. Nowadays, what works is being hot, and/or rich. Being a gentleman only earn you the title of "friend".
Also, I should add: to expect a gentleman, you need to be a lady. Not many women these days are ladies, they expect getting a gentleman, a man that do and give all for them, but without giving anything themselves.
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Most men of any generation are not gentrified, and most women of any generation are not lady like.
Not everyone tries to mimic victorian era rich european behavior.
I certainly don't, I don't even want a woman who is lady like.
I want a woman who yells the word tiddies in public and giggles over it after eating an entire pizza by herself and not gaining a pound because she burns too many calories playing fighting games on consoles. I want a lewd, silly, obnoxious person who likes having snakes and spiders as pets, doesn't say please, and swears like a truck driver.
Because the rewards of behaving like a gentleman fell off, and the hazards and risks of being a gentleman skyrocketed. When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it:
Try to wrap your head around this.
Collectively, men will do ANYTHING to get laid. We've fought wars, sailed oceans, won Superbowls and Olympic medals, climbed mountains, amassed fortunes, composed sonnets, sang ballads, travelled to the Moon, all to impress the women in our lives and get laid
. If acting like a gentleman or being a gentleman, resulted in us getting laid, we'd all be gentlemen. It's easier than winning medals and climbing mountains.
But do you know what? Women don't fuck gentlemen.
Being a gentleman results in getting ZERO pussy
Whose fault is that?
My guess is women have tossed those gentlemen in their friendzone or those ladies don't look at them as romantic partners, they don't connect with them at all and end up hooking up with guys who treat those ladies like shit.
When those ladies get treated horribly by those bad boys/men whores/players,.. they will definitely go back to those gentlemen and talk their hearts out to them like those gentlemen are all psychology counselors,... then either those ladies will either go back to those guys which treated them horribly in the first place,... or they will break it off from them and go with someone else who is either a little better or worse.
Guess what? ... those gentlemen are still in the friendzone and will never have that chance.
is this factual and true? or jus a preconceived notion you've conjured up in your head?
you could be asking this same question 30yrs ago, it may feel like there's less gentlemen, but thats because there never really was that many gentlemen, ever, its in our dna to spread our seed as much as possible, you really think 20yr old guys didn't jus pump and dump in the 90s too? young men have always been this way, we wanna have fun and enjoy life while we are young... its the older men that are gentlemen, its been this way forever, so look for old guys
maybe because ur expecting young 20yr old men to be gentlemen, thats why it seems this way, expecting 20yr old men to gentlemen is a wish upon a star darlin
I know 25 year olds who are fuck boys. Age means nothing
Fictional characters raise unrealistic expectations.
For example. As far as I remember — Ryan's character also reads her poetry at night and when she suffers with forgetfulness, he reminds her stuff again and again without expecting much in return. Is this guy some kind of model for male behavior? Because you ain't finding him. He only exists between film reels and pages, girl
They used to exist
Being a gentleman is essentially treating women like they are special. And in the past women WERE special, but most women today are not. In fact, feminism as worked very hard to make sure women are not special, and they have succeeded for the most part. Most women are no longer special and they have lost the privilege of being treated as special.
Being a gentleman is a traditional male gender role. Very few women today are willing to put themselves in the corresponding traditional female gender role, but the ones who are tend to get snatched up (married) by the high value men who deserve those women. The rest get the leftovers.
I'm one of the lucky few guys who found and married a great woman. I treat her like she's special, because she is and she deserves to be treated like gold.
Lol I don’t think you have a very good understanding of what gentleman means.
It literally is defined as a chivalrous, courteous, or honorable man
@Subarugirl Yes, exactly. Thank you for reinforcing my point for me.
www.foxnews.com/.../suzanne-venker-chivalry-is-dead-because-women-killed-it
Chivalrous is defined as courteous and gallant… and then the is the issue of being honorable, but I am assuming you wanted to skip over that part
@Subarugirl Dishonest much?
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, chivalry means "very polite, honest, and kind behavior, especially by men towards women".
You and I both know that it refers to men treating women as if they are special. And today's women are definitely not that. The expectation by women that men should behave chivalrously is traditional sexism in its purest form. Nice try though.
It doesn't say only towards women does it? Are you implying that men should not be polite, kind and honest, and that if they are they are treating someone special? I didn't realize those qualities mean treating someone special, sounds more like basic human decency to me.
@Subarugirl You and I both know chivalry has always been about more than just being polite, kind and honest, and it has always been about men's special treatment of women. Things like a man going around and opening her car door, pulling out her chair, giving up his seat for her, offering her his jacket, walking on the outside of the sidewalk. The list goes on and on, and these are things a gentleman was expected to do in the past, but women never did for a man. And they go way beyond just being polite. Women of the past deserved that special treatment, but today's women generally don't. You're just being dishonest here and you and I both know it. I'm not going to waste any more time on your dishonesty. Buh bye.
It’s not my fault you don’t understand, but you’re entitled to have what ever opinion you want. Bye
There are plenty of nice people (men and women). There are plenty of gentlemen and ladies. The thing is average and below-average males are non-existant in women's views. Most women are focused on good-looking men. The "Chads" and who is 6' tall and make 6 figures. The trouble with "Chads" is they have lots of options. So they can be rude to people and still have women lined up to meet them.
No guy should be like that anymore at least in their younger years. Ask a question here, do you like bad boys. See most women will date bad boys in their younger years as they are more fun.
If guys are going bad that means it's more rewarding in dating. I have seen it in real life. The player dudes get 5-6 girlfriend in a month whereas a nice, shy guy get none in years. But most women after sleeping with bad boys and finding out they cannot sustain a relationship they look for a good guy and the good guys after years of being single get used up women.
There's nothing wrong with these, nice guys sleeping around too if they get older and get more resources. So there will be very very few good guys.
Every choice has consequences and both men and women should bear them.
It’s not men fault.
It’s not even women or mothers fault either.
It’s an agenda that clearly has been working out and it’s been in a roll since many years now. Probably since 70s..
what stupid with us both genders is that we can’t escape it it’s not easy. We are also getting mentally executed. To tired to even create and plan
a proper - tmrw even let alone a future.
Plus going to school 5-7 days a week and media like IG is clearly messing up people. Brainwashing at the finest
I believe this to be true but the brainwashing is also making it happen. It is individuals fault though. They choose bad choices because they allow themselves to be control by the narrative. People don’t know how to physically interact anymore. All you see is online dating and … yeah people arnt exactly at their best when they arnt held accountable.
Women are worse about not being held accountable. Men are just as guilty but men pay for mistakes more generally but it seems women don’t.
Lack of proper incentive
Basically anything in life works this way. If there's not enough of something it's because there's either a lack of incentive or disincentive in place.
So look at what incentive is there for men or what disincentive is there if any
Exra smart girls happened.
Radicalisation happened.
Worse to worst attitude happened.
Karens happened.
Dads are unimportant parents happened.
Self-glorification happened.
Thinking that men are natural foes of women happened.
Abuse of language, physical abuse, neglect from law happened.
All of these things combined, and then a girl being left out is a very low probability. Taking the chances are definitely not at all worth it.
There's no shortage toots. You girls just made it clear you wanted the fukboyz instead.
Now you got your just desserts.
You ride the cock-carousel for a decade, all the while spurning perfectly suitable mates, just hanging on to that childhood fantasy that some handsome prince was going to swoop in and sweep you off our feet.
Yes, you were duped. I blame the crappy generation of parents my generation raised. Sorry hon.
Because culture changed. Women want to be treated like queens without treating their man like a king. I get it, guys had too much power in society and abused it but women are now doing the same and don't understand why they only get attention from fuck boys.
"I get it, guys had too much power in society and abused it..." is this what they told you at the radical feminist meetup you attended?
It used to be legal to hit your wife. That is too much power.
How so? I spank my girlfriend, sometimes she needs it. The amount of men who just hit their girlfriend or wife out of the blue is absolutely miniscule. The reason it seems so much is because there often is a reason, man comes home wife is drunk and throws a plate at his head and then rightfully so he should slap her upside the head to put her in her place. You got to run your own household and not rely on the police to maintain your relationship for you. Smh.
But this story isn't whats widely discussed although this and similar scenarios are quite common. Its ridiculous to think police and making it legal or illegal will accomplish much in terms of enforcement because it almost always is a he said she said in a private location and neither party usually wants to press charges. Or if they do want to press charges they somehow still want the other person to be available to them for sex bills childcare... how ridiculous. Nothing good ever comes of it. Whereas if the husband just slaps her upside the head and says you throw a plate at my head again ill knock you twice as hard next time... actually can resolve the issue. Its like dealing with a child. Catering to a kids tempertantrum ensures it will become a regular occurrence. Strict punishment typically ends such behavior.
Not even a good troll dude
How is it trolling?
Their is no need for men to be gentlemen is what I am seeing from other men. I mean what does it get you? A smile and a thank you. I mean in todays world sex is pretty much free as long as your attractive and know what/how to say it so why bother trying to do anything that's to old fashion just because a woman says so. I do not know if this is good or bad, but hey it is what it is. Good luck ladies and gentle's
Women don't value it -- generally speaking -- so guys opted out of putting in the effort. Now if a woman is really acting classy/lady and a guy believes it's genuine he may be a gentleman for her. But he also knows there's plenty of women who have no problem being a total whore for guy #1 and acting all reserved and hard to get with guy #2... so most guys just opted out of all the trouble.
You're seriously asking what happened? Where have you been the last 30 or so years? I'll give you a few clues, and I'll let you piece together the rest:
MeToo
Third-Wave Feminism
Political Correctness
"Toxic Masculinity"
Affirmative Action
No-fault divorce
"Karens"
MeToo is sort of okay, but the other things are not okay from any angle guys see.
I would rather be alone than with a girl at all.
@The_Shadow_Dweller fuck #metoo.
I find it funny how it’s only the non-gentlemen or assholes who are saying dumb shit. There are good men out there, but people are normalizing disgusting behaviour in both genders, so everyone just kinda sucks. The good men are out there, you’ll find one if you deserve one, but trust me, none are on this app, so this is the last place I’d ask. It’ll just fume a bunch of single incels who hate women, like half of these comments here.
More probable is the alternative where it’s you declaring the men saying the things you don’t like to be assholes.
It’s collectively known that a guy is an asshole is they say stuff like “women don’t deserve good men and they don’t even bring anything to the table, they’re useless” but keep fighting I guess. Your colors are showing.
Name a better forum to be a provocative dick about asinine questions?
That's your assumption though, not reality. "Collectively known" is the fallacy of that majority.
Do you realize that your comment about my "colours" supports my point?
If you think pointing out your flawed misogynistic ideologies is a fallacy, then you’re beyond anyone’s help. Take care of yourself.
Again, you betray yourself. If we actually read my comments there's obviously nothing I've said that's misogynistic. So acting like you've pointed anything out is again showing the absence of basis which I've pointed out.
What makes it a fallacy is that nothing shows anything to support your claim. It's just you saying "everyone thinks this way" when that's not a reasonable argument to make even if it were true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
You're welcome for the lesson in argumentation.
Women wanting bad boys.
If you stop doing your slutty phase and look for decent men, then they will be there.
If you only look for fuckboys in younger years then that is what you get.
There an apparent shortage in supply of gentleman in today’s society because we have been told repeatedly by women on Social, Main Stream Media, TV & Film that they are no longer wanted nor needed, see this article
www.foxnews.com/.../suzanne-venker-chivalry-is-dead-because-women-killed-it
Women treated them like shit, and those who didn't find someone just changed, because being a gentleman only makes you a tool.
I tried it for a while, even before I reached adulthood. You know what I got from it? Pain, loneliness, and being used.
Nowadays, what works is being hot, and/or rich. Being a gentleman only earn you the title of "friend".
Also, I should add: to expect a gentleman, you need to be a lady. Not many women these days are ladies, they expect getting a gentleman, a man that do and give all for them, but without giving anything themselves.