
Why is there a shortage in supply of gentleman in today’s society? What happened?


I was raised in a very old school household. And I prefer a gentleman. They are almost extinct. I have met one, it didn't work out because he was in the military and he was moving soon. I didn't want to do long distance so I didn't do it. But he was so polite and even when I ended things he was so mature about it and very nice. I think about him sometimes, I hope he's happy.
Because their mothers are no longer educating their dear sons. 😒
This is true but your only pointing out the failure in men’s and without leaving any blame for yourselves…
@VanillaSalt what should we blame ourselves for?
You being serious right now? You really don’t see anything women are doing as wrong?
Promiscuity on the rise in both sides… less ladies and more animal. The man hating. False allegations on the rise as well. The general loss of feminine traits in favor of masculine traits… these days holding the door could get a thank you or a fuck you…
Tell me again how men are the issue.
@VanillaSalt why did you use women and animals in the same sentence? And what exactly is your complaint? Don't use fancy sentences, be clear please.
Women are more animalistic then ladies these days.
@VanillaSalt men/gentlemans aren't perfect either. they even suck. -_-
Yes but you blame it on mothers and sons… you said nothing about YOUR attitude.
@VanillaSalt my attitude?
I’m not going back and forth with you I’m going bed.
@VanillaSalt okay
@Anonymous PFF so you ignored everything he said and only focused on the part where he compared women with animals. You clearly missed the part that he was talking from a behavioral point of view rather than being patronizing a whole sex because of their sex. Oh and FYI, humans are also animals from a biological perspective.
Yeah feminists have babies and 3 years later theyre in daycare all day long. Thats if the poor kid was lucky enough to not be aborted. Feminists are braindead.
Ahh very thanks @HeartBreaker007
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Ask your mother and her female friends; they are the ones who raised your male contemporaries.
@OlderAndWiser women only want traditional roles that affect them to go away
So true
Father's also raise males not just women. Unless you're referring to a single parent home.
@Uptowngirl88 agreed
@Uptowngirl88 40% of babies born today in the United States are born to single mothers. That's 4 out of 10.
@Jamie05rhs aight and how much responsibility is on the men who leave
And how much is on women whom take the kids to be petty? What value is commitment? To men committing to women is a great risk. We suffer the financial burden of things don’t work.
Commitment used to be important for the family and stability but it seems women are tired of men these days. If you choose to have a kid with a man that tells you he don’t want kids and you choose to give it up without commitment you can’t just blame men.
@VanillaSalt if a man chooses to have sex with a woman, he's aware she may become pregnant. He needs to be committed to being a man and not a sleezy coward.
And if men would step up, at least half those numbers would go down so your point about women taking kids is irrelevant, though I agree it's wrong for them to.
@Ninaface in a perfect world I agree but men get no say outside conception. Women can abort even if he wants the kid so for the sake of equality he should be able to opt out right?
Women want to be what they want to be and there’s nothing wrong with that. But they also don’t wanna be what men want and while there’s nothing wrong with that you have to understand the reluctance to commit.
Women have all the power in relationships. They drive spending to the point means shaving commercials target women. They have all the power in abortion, family court, divorce court, and most of the power in society. If you have an example to argue against this I’m good yo hear it but the fact is the one thing men have control of is commitment. The power balance is so of scale broken men don’t have to be gentlemen anymore. Many of us can live in our homes making minimum wage playing video games all day and be happy. Compared to that why risk and why work to be better for women that don’t wanna be what we want?
@VanillaSalt so you're telling a woman to kill her child if a man isn't actually a man?
She chose to take the risk as well knowing her risk was greater. So now a hard decision has to be made. Abortion or accept the child is your responsibility solely. I real man wouldn’t abandon her but then again a real woman wouldn’t take risks either.
@jamie05rhs well then men need to stop being pussys. Either wrap it up, get a vasectomy, or stop having sex.
@vanillasalt stop it. a lot of you men are deadbeats, broke, selfish, and lack accountability. Stop being a pussy
Nope. You just have to know how to attract them.
Many things. But let’s consider what makes a gentleman. Let me just say I’m single and I’ve been a gentleman. Helping elderly at the feed store, holding doors, kind and considerate… why am I not taken? I’m not here to brag just say I feel I’m pretty damn amazing but I don’t meet the basic standards for dating partners. So what is a gentleman?
But moving on.
Women expectations and standards have changed. You can’t demand equality and in the same breath demand privilege. Either your equal or your special you can’t be both.
You know… I’ve personally experienced the woman that yells at you for holding the door. It’s damn embarrassing being yelled at in a major store when all you did was hold the door and say excuse me. There women that don’t appreciate attention and privilege anymore unless it’s from someone they are attracted to.
Metoo happened. Dear god to walk up and hug a woman these days is almost as dangerous as petting a stray dog. 50/50 you’ll get bit. In the UK for instance there’s new laws stating looking at a woman a few seconds too long is sexual harassment.
Women’s purpose to men is limited. Sex, kids, family, companionship, homemaker… women give sex free now so we don’t have to man up to get sex. Half the women don’t want kids anymore and with the state of family courts your a fool to have a kid. Family exists outside the home as does companionship. I visit my family every 2 weeks. It’s not quite the same and as a family man it bothers me but I’m not risking my life to marriage or a bad woman. And being a homemakers just not acceptable these days. Somehow makes them less human apparently. You serve no purpose at least not a big enough purpose to behave for.
We’re moving away from dating. These days sex is sex dating is just baggage. Women and men are filled to the brim and have no interest in mingling. Well no that’s wrong. They wanna mingle but women want a step higher then men are prepared to meet and women refuse to meet base standards of men…
I’m sure I’ll get tons of hate for this but I wanna be clear. I’ve stared down a man with a gun for family concerned if he missed me he’d hit my family… I've done various things to help others. I’ve been the one cheated on while being faithful for years.
So when you ask “where have all the men gone”? I respond the same place ladies went. Because your not ladies anymore your just women females in heat with attitude bringing trouble with them. We can’t trust you and with the state of divorce and family courts it’s foolish to risk for what you offer.
My First Response wants to say what are you talkin about but I know exactly what you're talkin about
I was going to blessed in many ways my parents got a divorce when I was one years old when I was 2 years old my mom got remarried she married the guy until I was 10 this guy used to beat me with a belt if I did anything wrong from 10 years old to 12 years old I had a little bit of freedom at 12 years old she remarried this guy tried to put his hands on me one time when I was 16 and I told my mom I had to leave the house I was not going to live there anymore so
With all the above since I was 5 years old I always wanted to know who I was I would look into people's eyes wonder if that was my dad I wonder if that guy was related to me even though I do wrong from right I took the hard way every single time so I basically had to raise myself I wanted to know what love was I learned about it I wanted to know something I learned about it my mom gave me a good foundation until I was 16 years old and I took that foundation and I built from it not knowing that I was building on top of it
I can do anything in this world I am so blessed I can build a car I can build a house I can fix anything I can do just about anything and I do it very well because I've had to learn it on my own I've experienced so many things in life and love are not having love is one of them I'm very very deep person within 1 to 2 minutes I can tell you exactly who you are and what's I look into your eyes I can feel energy I can feel emotion that's me
Other guys have got to watch their parents growing up and that's all they do is how they treated each other so that's what they think in their mind is the right thing the right way when you are a parent you make it all about your kids you don't discipline them you don't take away from them you don't restrict them you give them more responsibility parents nowadays are so caught up in themselves their offspring is the same way except for 10 times worse guys have no more manners they make it all about themselves they think they're right with everything they say and do so I understand where you're coming from and it really really sucks I think I was five years old when I said to myself women are going to take over the world they're ten times smarter they they mature faster they are just ten times Smarter with me for that way in so many different ways but I feel bad because I know what girls go through the pain that they have to suffer with their everyday life just by being a woman but that's what makes them strong and independent and Beautiful on the inside I truly hope that you find the one that you looking for just didn't really pay attention and who they are don't look at them on the outside and take that to the are you have to look deep on the inside look into their eyes listen to every word because with every word I'll tell you something about them if they lie to you it'll tell you the truth in the same sentence you just have to pay attention that's the whole key don't waste your time I put it up with a man's bullshit are his con are his game because they all have it it's hard to find anybody honest anymore nowadays don't think you can change somebody because you're not going to be able to make it cut and dry you know who you are on the inside if you're going to be honest with yourself
That's though he if you want to find that person that you what in your life you have to be 100% honest with yourself first
Because being a gentleman in today's western society is an almost guaranteed way to get rejected from left to right. Nowadays, women see it as something as weak as they interpret it as the man is desperate to seek their approval.
Men have adapted to today's standards of women. And it seems that there have to be some mind games as well as some form of toxicity involved in order to be able to score women. Of course this isn't always the case, but from both observation, research AND experience of many different women (with various backgrounds, interests and lifestyles) it is a majority.
Hence why you see the assholes and bad boys always able to get the women. I personally have experienced that as soon as I started to care more about myself and adapt the 'bad boy' traits in my own life and personality (whom feminists would nowadays call "tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy", I was having tremendous success with women. And no, they aren't just 1 type of bad woman. All of the girls I've been with are incredibly different from one another. Even today having a very feminine, conservative, caring and loving girlfriend, she wouldn't feel attracted to me if I was playing nice guy gentleman and not having my dominant personality. If women generally truly do like gentleman behavior (aka chivalry), then we would see A LOT MORE men practise it. Just like the old days. But sadly, this here is the very answer to your question:
Also, like many others have mentioned here: Women stopped being ladies themselves. I am a strong believer that this is due to feminism frowning upon ladies who are teamplayers rather than selfish idiots with misandrist tendencies.
When it comes to my personal relationship: I do act like a gentleman for my girl only. Or an elderly lady who actually knows how to appreciate it. In order to want a gentleman, you have to be a classy lady yourself. In a society where crop tops, cleavage and wearing yoga pants are the norm, my girl tends to turn heads and receive many compliments for just wearing professional/classy vintage dresses. She also appreciates me taking care of her as a man in being the protector, provider and leader. It's common for me to do small things like opening the door for her or let me walk on the side of the road. So if something happes, it is most likely me who gets hurt and not her.
I once held the door open for a girl who needed to go through as I went first, only to get a condescending laugh and look. While I only held the door open out of politeness (something I do for everyone). Yeah, women wonder why men stopped being gentlemen.
I think not playing "nice guy gentleman" anymore could also be applied for modern interactions in other areas of life too in addition to dating.
@KlinkyCoder Absolutely. In places like corporate or military, being the nice guy will have people try and use and walk all over you. It's brutal out there.
@TruthBringer Not to mention in politics or government, whether in an office or having an argument.
I see the main problems as that:
1. Parents have problems teaching their children manners
2. Guys don't feel there are no ladys anymore. Looking at dating profiles most female dating profiles look the same. It's hard nowadays to find a woman's profile that seems special in online dating.
3. Society has changed. Nowadays people are more self conscious and focused on their own benefits. People care foremost for their own pleasure.
4. Guys start dating unprepared (Many don't know what they want and how to get there)
5. Open sexual culture has messed up guys minds and dating (many boys have watched porn before having a girl friend). Why put in effort and work hard for it when you can have a friend with benefits or a sexual open relationship?
6. Women change so do guys. Women want more rights and guys don't want to be seen in role of a provider solely. We don't want to be seen as the person that has to do all the effort while you girls don't raise a thumb.
7. Guys fear the etiquette of being called a "nice guy" and as everybody knows the saying "nice guys finish last". Many guys don't want to end in the "friendzone" because they are too nice.
8. The imagine of relationships has changed. Marriage isn't the norm anymore there are so many ways to be in a relationship or to connect with someone. While a hundred years ago it was the norm to marry guys nowadays have other options to focus our life on. We now longer depend on a relationship because nowadays a man not being single at the age of 25 isn't special while 50 or 60 years ago that would cause him to have defend himself.
8. Concepts like Romeo and Juliet are ideals. Don't expect to much because most of us guys are also shy we are insecure as well and we aren't born as fighters. We need to have a reason to become one
Don´t get me wrong I agree with feminism at its core that men and women should have the same rights and chances, but the society in its a whole is and has been changing over the years. There has always been some kind of progress and that´s also happening now. Women are changing and so do men.
I believe that there are numerous reasons for this in society.
Not understanding the rules of engagement:
There was a time when Western culture as a whole accepted chivalry. The last sixty years have seen the sexual revolution subsequently iterations of feminism. Transitions from hold the door to I can get my own door and anything you can do, I can do better have worn down traditional (non-chauvinist) men. Additionally, younger men aren’t old enough to remember how to behave when a lady is present.
#MeToo:
Yes, I agree that consent is crucial and thank the Lord that I maintained proper judgment in life. There are generally three types of men out here in the world - the stupid, cautions, and the uninformed (yes, the exist).
Value Proposition:
Is it with the risk? Most say no. The only good thing about the pando is that I can now have recorded virtual meetings with my direct reports (regardless of gender) without fear of being canceled or losing my career. It’s unfortunate for all.
What’s the fix:
Hopefully it’s not that episode of Black Mirror where we all record ever interaction via a video drive embedded in our heads but it seems going that we’re moving in that direction.
Seriously, what’s the fix:
We all need to put some work in on the matter. Ladies who want gentlemen, learn about choosing signals - drop a handkerchief for a guy to pick up or place your self in a man’s orbit in a helpful or playful way, and ask him with grace and dignity to extend those courtesies.
Men who want to be gentlemen, listen and understand consent, know how to read choosing signals. Think with your rational head.
All parties - project who and what you want in a partner. Be sincere and respectful in the search while steering clear of the people not fit to meet your grandparents.
Regards!
The ones that are most successful in the dating pool are those that know exactly what they want and are courageous enough to tell you.
Can't tell you how many folks (girls and guys) go on a first date and waffle at the question: what are you looking for?
If you give a shallow answer, you'll get a shallow situationship. If you give an honest answer, you might get some honest feedback or well You might have a funny story to tell your friends later.
People that know what they want don't waste their time with directionless answers and socially acceptable platitudes. Men should stop lying to become eligible if they secretly feel they can do better, and women need to cut off a guy as soon as she entertains interest in a newer suitor.
I think women can be better about calling out a guy mid- date (like if he keeps flip flopping his opinion to seem more moderate or likeable). A guy that gives you bs on a first date, will give you bs on later on.
I think both genders can be better about requesting process exclusivity (dating one at a time while assessing fit) if that's what they want and expect from a partner they'd take seriously.
I don't get why people don't just blurt out what they want. It already takes way too long to find a match. Why would anyone waste time trying to change themselves or trying to con a non starter?
What’s the benefit to dating though?
Feminism killed us all off. If you ever wonder why I'm such an asshole, you can thank shitty women all over the Western world for that. I'm not going to be nice and gentlemanly for a bunch of angry cunts with an attitude.
And as others pointed out, there's less ladies out there, then there are gentlemen. Find me a woman who thinks OnlyFans is disgusting and nasty (because it is) and doesn't think spreading her legs is somehow "empowering" and she just MIGHT be an actual lady. I'll wait.
But yeah, we live in a culture of simps, feminists, porn addicts, and OnlyFans. There's no point in being a Gentleman anymore and I wouldn't blame women if they felt there's no point in being a Lady anymore. Both are now seen as "negatives" by society.
Couldn’t have explained that any better myself 👍🏻
EXACTLY! If I have a son in the future, I would tell him to be good, but not a gentleman. Because as you already can see, it will only backfire at him. I tell him to adapt to the world accordingly to get what he wants. Survival of the fittest. And being a 'gentleman' in today's (western) society is an almost guarantee of not surviving.
@TruthBringer What is meant by "gentlemen" here?
@KlinkyCoder Getting a girl flowers, singing her a song, opening doors to impress her other than just being polite, sliding her seat forward when she sits, showering her with compliments. So the usual cliché things.
@KlinkyCoder
Going out of your way to show a woman you care. Women wanted equality? Now they've got it. I treat a woman the same way I treat any man and have been doing so for at least five years now. If a woman says something stupid, I tell her to sit down and shut the F up. I'm willing to clown her into embarrassment, if need be. Not rudeness, but blunt honesty. The same exact treatment as I would a man. And MANY women don't like it, thus I get "incel" and "misogynist" comments for treating them equally. Of course, I wipe my ass with those. The only exception to the rule is a actual Lady, who would actually appreciate me being "extra nice" to her. But aside from a few women on this site, I know of no such ladies out there. But I gotta say: It's a hell out a lot more liberating to treat everyone as equals than it is to "simp" to women who grew up with daddy issues. I only got my Masters degree three years ago, so I was in university with these kinds of angry cunts who hate men, but love simps worshipping them.
1. Women stopped acting like ladies which took away a huge motivation for many guys to act like gentlemen. When I was a kid, the vast majority of women had more class in 1 finger than most women today have in their entire body. Now we celebrate mediocrity, attention whoring, being irresponsible in the name of "freedom".
2. Too many boys got raised to act think like women. Surprise, surprise, if everybody does that it's suddenly hard for a heterosexual to find an ideal partner.
3. Too much sexual freedom leads to people being more selfish and doing things like having kids with someone who is a horrible role model/parent.
Now the people who claim the traditional ways were all wrong, are just guessing. They can't show us a society/civilization that became great without the traditional ways. We can see many in decline when they abandon traditions tho.
I remember very clearly that I once (not too long ago) held a door open for a girl who needed to pass as I was going through the door first. It was all out of politeness as any normal person would do this for anyone. She stopped looked at me very condescending and started laughing while going through it. No thank you or what not. Another guy witnessed it and was obviously as shocked as I am when we both looked at each other like "did she really just do that?".
Yeah and women wonder why men stop acting like gentlemen.
@TruthBringer And women ask why guys don't act traditional -- thinking that they can be non-traditional but demand the guy stay traditional because it helps her. Guys are waking up.
1. feminism - woman vocally demanded not to be treated as special. Being a gentleman gets you nothing good anymore. In fact it leads to you getting fucked hard in 2021.
2. male children aren't scared of their single mother. Without the heavy hand of daddy it's hard to teach junior any manners. these boys are adults now.
3. This is the first generation of young adults where many of them were raised by people who never had a father. Their parents of today's young adults never even learned the life lessons they need to be teaching their children.
Pleeeaaase, Let's be real here. Women don't want no gentleman, they want a bad boy type of guy who they think they can fix and turn them into a good obedient to them only type of man. Women want a challenge, they want a broken king or a prince type of men, a lone hardcore warrior that is unable to settle down with one woman only. Women want a puzzle that they can solve or be part of. Gentlemen's are none of those things, There are plenty of gentlemen's out there, but most of them are single and undesirable by most women, because they are way too respectful to women (nice guys) and they are worshiping women like Goddesses, again something that most women hate.
I would hazard a guess that it’s roots are in the deep seated insecurities that exist in our society. My sense of people is that everyone, in broad terms, is fearful of having their better nature taken advantage of. Once bitten twice shy as the saying goes. If a man made sincere overtures of kindness and affection and was rejected for it, whether fairly or not, it will alter his behavior in future relationships. I have experienced this myself to some degree where it can feel like casting pearls before swine in a sense. That’s not to say I understand why rudeness is so prevalent. If I were to act on my worst instincts in a moment of resentment I would be filled with self loathing whenever I thought of that interaction. Ultimately if you’re treating people differently on the basis of extracting something from someone rather than looking to share in an experience it will cause problems. It’s not a problem of chivalry it’s a problem of authenticity.
Well, there are plenty of males around. Someone just has to figure out how to convince them to become men.
What Are Masculine Traits?
After many troubling conversations with a lot of guys here. I began to notice a pattern. So I wanted to create a thread to address a few things.
Apparently, many men at GaG cannot figure out how to define their masculinity independent of women. This creates a huge problem when it comes to understanding women's issues.
Because guys think, they are men only because of their relation to where women are in their lives and/or the amount of power they think women wield, etc. They can't even articulate what they think a man is supposed to stand for. They cannot voice an opinion on what traits and qualities go into being masculine.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. I’m 30 and am really still not sure what masculinity is “supposed” to look like but I generally see healthier versions of it in people who are less concerned with acquiring status through manipulation of what should be well earned fruits of a life well lived. For me its striving to be generous in my interaction with others without the expectation of reward and magnanimous in rejection or failure. No one owes me anything for simply existing.
@string43 Understood. What I strive for and preach to my nephews about is being a provider and a force of stability in their families.
Young guys act out online because they can. They don't try and control their hormones and accost females to try and get any sense of sexual gratification, as if their desire justifies any behaviour.
But manners, politeness, etiquette... it's slowly going away. It's not just guys, it's many girls too. Society has become very casual. You still see these efforts in some people. Classy people will stand out. But they're quiet, they don't make noise, so it takes a subtle person to notice them.
I see a lot of justification. People see others acting a certain way, and they think there's no point being much different, any better. Then the whole thing just compiles, compacts, exacerbates. What people should do is really not change their behaviour regardless of what happens around them. Pull people up, don't be dragged down. Or focus on yourself and don't let anyone degrade who you are.
It's simple. There are more college-educated women looking for college-educated men than there are college-educated men to date, and the ratio gets worse in older age groups. Also college men are more willing to marry a non-college woman than vice versa. So for college men it's a buyer's market.
However, there is a surplus of professional men on the west coast, particularly in Seattle and northern California. They are in high tech, but most are nice, have outside interests, are very smart and well paid.
Political chaos leading to life instability, leading to having to start life over. Many then have to take shitty jobs, just to have one. They make dirt wages, and women avoid those men. Then, more political BS happens. The government gets in bed with a foreign government to engineer plagues. If the first few waves are ineffectual, they simply use propaganda to get a huge portion of the population to poison itself. As they're shedding, they create mutant strains, until finally one exists that Mr. Already Downtrodden isn't able to have natural immunity to. They bring the pain, break your legs, then dictate the wheelchair you must use.
Under these circumstances, the man's too busy trying to get his life back to even think about how to impress a woman.
You DON'T get to have it BOTH ways... you DON'T get to have the refined 'gentleman' AND the rebel love 'em / leave 'em 'Bad Boy'.
As that song lyric goes: "Oh shut up, silly woman" the snake said with a grin.
"You KNEW DAMNED WELL... I was a snake, BEFORE you took me in."
Every girl wants a 'bad boy' who'll only be 'good' for her and every boy wants the sweet & innocent schoolgirl who'll awaken, surrender and manifest her inner shameless nascent 'slutty' side for only him.
Saw a telling internet meme recently "Your orgasm face is GORGEOUS".
The unselfconscious intuitive "in-the-moment" facial expression of impassioned 'sweet pain' is irresistible on EITHER males OR females and IS addictive! Its the ADULT version of a merciless sadistic 'tickle fight'. To intimately KNOW... that YOU... hold THAT ability to MAKE your companion LOSE THEIR 'SHIT' like an crazed animal in heat and BE totally -in-the moment! ~
Maybe because some women and also men who mock men who are gentlemen, or call them simps, or white knights, etc..
Maybe because the way some women behave themselves these days, they don't deserve a gentleman... 🤷🏼♀️
Simps/white knights are a suitable insult. They are not gentlemen, you conflate them. True, both are deferential and servile in a sense, but a simp lacks self-respect and dignity. A simp is not a prize to be won, they are bottom-feeding yes-men.
That's actually a very astute comment.
I've known guys who were gentlemen and they got pushed aside for those who weren't.
These guys then either remained gentlemen, but stopped trying or become non-gentlemen themselves.
I wouldn't advocate giving up on relationships or forcefully turning yourself into a bad person. But it does happen depending on how an individual, in this case a guy, has been treated by his internal and external environments in crucial years of development (0-18)
Nothing happened.
Most men of any generation are not gentrified, and most women of any generation are not lady like.
Not everyone tries to mimic victorian era rich european behavior.
I certainly don't, I don't even want a woman who is lady like.
I want a woman who yells the word tiddies in public and giggles over it after eating an entire pizza by herself and not gaining a pound because she burns too many calories playing fighting games on consoles. I want a lewd, silly, obnoxious person who likes having snakes and spiders as pets, doesn't say please, and swears like a truck driver.
I think men you are referring to don't date too much. They date until they find one girl they are compatible with and they love each other forever.
Some guys like this don't really date at all actively for whatever reason.
These guys are not really "out there" dating all the time, or in parties, maybe they are not even on dating apps, etc.., but you'll see plenty of players/fucbois who are just there for ONS and stuff.
And gentlemen don't look like the actors in movies obviously, so it's pointless to look for that only. You might as well try to date the actor himself..
Because the rewards of behaving like a gentleman fell off, and the hazards and risks of being a gentleman skyrocketed. When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it:
Try to wrap your head around this.
Collectively, men will do ANYTHING to get laid. We've fought wars, sailed oceans, won Superbowls and Olympic medals, climbed mountains, amassed fortunes, composed sonnets, sang ballads, travelled to the Moon, all to impress the women in our lives and get laid
. If acting like a gentleman or being a gentleman, resulted in us getting laid, we'd all be gentlemen. It's easier than winning medals and climbing mountains.
But do you know what? Women don't fuck gentlemen.
Being a gentleman results in getting ZERO pussy
Whose fault is that?
My guess is women have tossed those gentlemen in their friendzone or those ladies don't look at them as romantic partners, they don't connect with them at all and end up hooking up with guys who treat those ladies like shit.
When those ladies get treated horribly by those bad boys/men whores/players,.. they will definitely go back to those gentlemen and talk their hearts out to them like those gentlemen are all psychology counselors,... then either those ladies will either go back to those guys which treated them horribly in the first place,... or they will break it off from them and go with someone else who is either a little better or worse.
Guess what? ... those gentlemen are still in the friendzone and will never have that chance.
is this factual and true? or jus a preconceived notion you've conjured up in your head?
you could be asking this same question 30yrs ago, it may feel like there's less gentlemen, but thats because there never really was that many gentlemen, ever, its in our dna to spread our seed as much as possible, you really think 20yr old guys didn't jus pump and dump in the 90s too? young men have always been this way, we wanna have fun and enjoy life while we are young... its the older men that are gentlemen, its been this way forever, so look for old guys
maybe because ur expecting young 20yr old men to be gentlemen, thats why it seems this way, expecting 20yr old men to gentlemen is a wish upon a star darlin
Fictional characters raise unrealistic expectations.
For example. As far as I remember — Ryan's character also reads her poetry at night and when she suffers with forgetfulness, he reminds her stuff again and again without expecting much in return. Is this guy some kind of model for male behavior? Because you ain't finding him. He only exists between film reels and pages, girl
They used to exist
There are plenty of nice people (men and women). There are plenty of gentlemen and ladies. The thing is average and below-average males are non-existant in women's views. Most women are focused on good-looking men. The "Chads" and who is 6' tall and make 6 figures. The trouble with "Chads" is they have lots of options. So they can be rude to people and still have women lined up to meet them.
I agree 💯
Being a gentleman is essentially treating women like they are special. And in the past women WERE special, but most women today are not. In fact, feminism as worked very hard to make sure women are not special, and they have succeeded for the most part. Most women are no longer special and they have lost the privilege of being treated as special.
Being a gentleman is a traditional male gender role. Very few women today are willing to put themselves in the corresponding traditional female gender role, but the ones who are tend to get snatched up (married) by the high value men who deserve those women. The rest get the leftovers.
I'm one of the lucky few guys who found and married a great woman. I treat her like she's special, because she is and she deserves to be treated like gold.
Lol I don’t think you have a very good understanding of what gentleman means.
It literally is defined as a chivalrous, courteous, or honorable man
@Subarugirl Yes, exactly. Thank you for reinforcing my point for me.
www.foxnews.com/.../suzanne-venker-chivalry-is-dead-because-women-killed-it
Chivalrous is defined as courteous and gallant… and then the is the issue of being honorable, but I am assuming you wanted to skip over that part
@Subarugirl Dishonest much?
According to the Cambridge Dictionary, chivalry means "very polite, honest, and kind behavior, especially by men towards women".
You and I both know that it refers to men treating women as if they are special. And today's women are definitely not that. The expectation by women that men should behave chivalrously is traditional sexism in its purest form. Nice try though.
It doesn't say only towards women does it? Are you implying that men should not be polite, kind and honest, and that if they are they are treating someone special? I didn't realize those qualities mean treating someone special, sounds more like basic human decency to me.
@Subarugirl You and I both know chivalry has always been about more than just being polite, kind and honest, and it has always been about men's special treatment of women. Things like a man going around and opening her car door, pulling out her chair, giving up his seat for her, offering her his jacket, walking on the outside of the sidewalk. The list goes on and on, and these are things a gentleman was expected to do in the past, but women never did for a man. And they go way beyond just being polite. Women of the past deserved that special treatment, but today's women generally don't. You're just being dishonest here and you and I both know it. I'm not going to waste any more time on your dishonesty. Buh bye.
It’s not my fault you don’t understand, but you’re entitled to have what ever opinion you want. Bye
No guy should be like that anymore at least in their younger years. Ask a question here, do you like bad boys. See most women will date bad boys in their younger years as they are more fun.
If guys are going bad that means it's more rewarding in dating. I have seen it in real life. The player dudes get 5-6 girlfriend in a month whereas a nice, shy guy get none in years. But most women after sleeping with bad boys and finding out they cannot sustain a relationship they look for a good guy and the good guys after years of being single get used up women.
There's nothing wrong with these, nice guys sleeping around too if they get older and get more resources. So there will be very very few good guys.
Every choice has consequences and both men and women should bear them.
It’s not men fault.
It’s not even women or mothers fault either.
It’s an agenda that clearly has been working out and it’s been in a roll since many years now. Probably since 70s..
what stupid with us both genders is that we can’t escape it it’s not easy. We are also getting mentally executed. To tired to even create and plan
a proper - tmrw even let alone a future.
Plus going to school 5-7 days a week and media like IG is clearly messing up people. Brainwashing at the finest
I believe this to be true but the brainwashing is also making it happen. It is individuals fault though. They choose bad choices because they allow themselves to be control by the narrative. People don’t know how to physically interact anymore. All you see is online dating and … yeah people arnt exactly at their best when they arnt held accountable.
Women are worse about not being held accountable. Men are just as guilty but men pay for mistakes more generally but it seems women don’t.
Lack of proper incentive
Basically anything in life works this way. If there's not enough of something it's because there's either a lack of incentive or disincentive in place.
So look at what incentive is there for men or what disincentive is there if any
Exra smart girls happened.
Radicalisation happened.
Worse to worst attitude happened.
Karens happened.
Dads are unimportant parents happened.
Self-glorification happened.
Thinking that men are natural foes of women happened.
Abuse of language, physical abuse, neglect from law happened.
All of these things combined, and then a girl being left out is a very low probability. Taking the chances are definitely not at all worth it.
There's no shortage toots. You girls just made it clear you wanted the fukboyz instead.
Now you got your just desserts.
You ride the cock-carousel for a decade, all the while spurning perfectly suitable mates, just hanging on to that childhood fantasy that some handsome prince was going to swoop in and sweep you off our feet.
Yes, you were duped. I blame the crappy generation of parents my generation raised. Sorry hon.
Because culture changed. Women want to be treated like queens without treating their man like a king. I get it, guys had too much power in society and abused it but women are now doing the same and don't understand why they only get attention from fuck boys.
"I get it, guys had too much power in society and abused it..." is this what they told you at the radical feminist meetup you attended?
How so? I spank my girlfriend, sometimes she needs it. The amount of men who just hit their girlfriend or wife out of the blue is absolutely miniscule. The reason it seems so much is because there often is a reason, man comes home wife is drunk and throws a plate at his head and then rightfully so he should slap her upside the head to put her in her place. You got to run your own household and not rely on the police to maintain your relationship for you. Smh.
But this story isn't whats widely discussed although this and similar scenarios are quite common. Its ridiculous to think police and making it legal or illegal will accomplish much in terms of enforcement because it almost always is a he said she said in a private location and neither party usually wants to press charges. Or if they do want to press charges they somehow still want the other person to be available to them for sex bills childcare... how ridiculous. Nothing good ever comes of it. Whereas if the husband just slaps her upside the head and says you throw a plate at my head again ill knock you twice as hard next time... actually can resolve the issue. Its like dealing with a child. Catering to a kids tempertantrum ensures it will become a regular occurrence. Strict punishment typically ends such behavior.
How is it trolling?
Their is no need for men to be gentlemen is what I am seeing from other men. I mean what does it get you? A smile and a thank you. I mean in todays world sex is pretty much free as long as your attractive and know what/how to say it so why bother trying to do anything that's to old fashion just because a woman says so. I do not know if this is good or bad, but hey it is what it is. Good luck ladies and gentle's
Women don't value it -- generally speaking -- so guys opted out of putting in the effort. Now if a woman is really acting classy/lady and a guy believes it's genuine he may be a gentleman for her. But he also knows there's plenty of women who have no problem being a total whore for guy #1 and acting all reserved and hard to get with guy #2... so most guys just opted out of all the trouble.
You're seriously asking what happened? Where have you been the last 30 or so years? I'll give you a few clues, and I'll let you piece together the rest:
MeToo
Third-Wave Feminism
Political Correctness
"Toxic Masculinity"
Affirmative Action
No-fault divorce
"Karens"
MeToo is sort of okay, but the other things are not okay from any angle guys see.
I would rather be alone than with a girl at all.
There an apparent shortage in supply of gentleman in today’s society because we have been told repeatedly by women on Social, Main Stream Media, TV & Film that they are no longer wanted nor needed, see this article
www.foxnews.com/.../suzanne-venker-chivalry-is-dead-because-women-killed-it
I find it funny how it’s only the non-gentlemen or assholes who are saying dumb shit. There are good men out there, but people are normalizing disgusting behaviour in both genders, so everyone just kinda sucks. The good men are out there, you’ll find one if you deserve one, but trust me, none are on this app, so this is the last place I’d ask. It’ll just fume a bunch of single incels who hate women, like half of these comments here.
More probable is the alternative where it’s you declaring the men saying the things you don’t like to be assholes.
It’s collectively known that a guy is an asshole is they say stuff like “women don’t deserve good men and they don’t even bring anything to the table, they’re useless” but keep fighting I guess. Your colors are showing.
That's your assumption though, not reality. "Collectively known" is the fallacy of that majority.
Do you realize that your comment about my "colours" supports my point?
If you think pointing out your flawed misogynistic ideologies is a fallacy, then you’re beyond anyone’s help. Take care of yourself.
Again, you betray yourself. If we actually read my comments there's obviously nothing I've said that's misogynistic. So acting like you've pointed anything out is again showing the absence of basis which I've pointed out.
What makes it a fallacy is that nothing shows anything to support your claim. It's just you saying "everyone thinks this way" when that's not a reasonable argument to make even if it were true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
You're welcome for the lesson in argumentation.
Women wanting bad boys.
If you stop doing your slutty phase and look for decent men, then they will be there.
If you only look for fuckboys in younger years then that is what you get.
Women treated them like shit, and those who didn't find someone just changed, because being a gentleman only makes you a tool.
I tried it for a while, even before I reached adulthood. You know what I got from it? Pain, loneliness, and being used.
Nowadays, what works is being hot, and/or rich. Being a gentleman only earn you the title of "friend".
@hi_it_is_me123 Barking like that won't benefit you at all, i told you earlier be smarter many times but it seems that your beed head doesn't want to understand, anyways i'm happy because you have blocked me and bow to finish the job, i'll block you too, the only cunt in here is you and by the way you have a real cun too...
I really pity you, and about the assh*le, well you can search for the dildo in your assh*le 🤣🤣
BLOCKED, one less trash off!
Break stupid 50s traditions, and you'd be suprised how you will start to find them. Waiting will not help you. Go ask our men yourself, instead if sitting there looking pretty, waiting for men to ask You out. Too many god men are getting screwed over so much. We get most of the stress we have to make the first moves, we have to pay for everything. Who wants that?
Why wouldn't we? We're rare, why would a girl who gets us let us go? I am not a narcissist saying I am a gentleman, that's what girls tell me. Like "why can't my boyfriend be a gentleman like you are?" Of course they never wanted to date me. They liked how I acted, not how I looked.
I don’t think theirs a short supply. I personally never got married. I got caught up in businesses And money. Now I just chill and do my thing. Mainly riding horses , and building cars. Way out in the country nearest store is over 10 miles from me.
Really? Because I see a lot more good men than I do good women. Most of you women these days seem to only care about money or sjw bullshit.
The thing is that years ago and still today society refuses to teach kids and boys how to treat girls. If parents and girlfriends do not tell the kids and boyfriends that it is not okay to mistreat girls or abuse them then they will continue to do as they please. If no one teaches them different then how will they know to be different?
Because women stopped wanting them, and started preferring men who disrespect them and others because these women think these kinds of guys are better and the definition of a real man.
The dating and mating incentives that exist today for men do not favor gentlemanliness as a positive trait. If women wanted men to be gentlemen, then they'd have to collectively decide to date those who act with the most refinement and etiquette instead of prioritizing what they do now.
There is too many women in the world and men have a high sex drive. You are pretty much losing the game by having sex with them too soon. There are too many women they have has options sometimes you are not their cup ☕. Too each their own I guess can't force anyone to love you.
You mean the hot alpha studs who are gentlemen.
There is a never-ending supply of average beta simps who will worship the ground you walk on, but they don't make your panties wet. I know I'm fuuckin right too, just admit it below in the comments.
I was a total gentleman to high quality girls I dated, I opened doors for them and treated them like gold but I was dropped without a clear explanation. The girls I date where I don’t try and I just go into the dat with a “fuck it” mentality it turns into a serious relationship
This is what happens when 10% of women actually ask men out themselves and make good men taken like steaming hot cupcakes 😀😁😁 🥧
there's definitely no shortage of good men. Most Women are simply not putting effort into finding a good man 😝 and instead they let men do everything. Then y'all wonder where all the good men are 😂 oh girls.
I take it easy and try my damnest to be nice, hmm... answer to your question is a question.
where the girls at that want gentlemen?
Women are seen as 100% our equal, so they’re treated that way. If you can do it yourself, we’ll let you. We’re just treating you in the same way we’d treat another man.
this is the bitch constantly whining about men and how we are supposed to behave and serve her vagina. Not once did she mention what she's bringing to the table. It's all about her.
Gentle and men should never have been a together. It's derogatory and an oxy moron. Gentle men lost in many battles and wars and they continue to suffer the price of their gentleness in every walk of life. What would you need a man to be gentle with the opposite to that is your attraction. Lol
There isn't
They just aren't attracted to people like you. Most likely.
Reminds me of a question a while back where the asker was stating they don't make good cheap phones any more. She didn't understand the oxymoron.
Good men are with good women. The rest are just losers.
So be a mistress
MasculineWomen killed then that’s what 🙋bad buys who treat you like shit get laid more so most turned into fuckboy. I would known since I use to be super nice but lacked Masculine traits now that I don’t take shit from women and make them prove themselves I get laid more
They do exist but you have to know where to find time. Your local bar isn't one of the places as a general rule.
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