Jan 24, 2022 U. S. Pentagon says 8.5 thousand troops have been put on "Highest Alert." Are we going to war?

[sage2021]

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The 8.5K troops would go to war to assist NATO.

[exitseven]

I try to convince myself the Putin is mart enough to know that was is never profitable to anyone but the arms dealers.

[exitseven]

*Smart* *war*

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[robocop666]

costly and young men will be put up for war without consent like in vietnam. This will be awful.

[Wade12345]

Man that is freaking Russia. That's not Vietnam and that's not the Taliban. They have hypersonic missiles and Stealth NERVA rockets. They will SHOOT DOWN our stealth aircraft and sink destroyers, like nobody since Japan in WW2. An open war with Russia would be worse than WW2. The casualties on both sides would be in the millions even if both sides showed some "restraint" and didn't start using nukes.

Our modern government does not understand economics, never mind real symmetrical warfare anymore. Economics implies you do things both quickly and cost-effectively, both at the civilian level and the military level. Military economics implies you destroy targets that cost the enemy more money and resources than the munitions you are using to destroy those targets. The U. S. does not do economics anymore. that's why we have a nearly 30 trillion dollar federal debt. we cannot even win another Cold War with Russia, much less a hot one.

[Wade12345]

If we end up in a real war with Russia, they'd bomb our oil pipe lines in Alaska, which would cripple both the U. S. and Canadian economy. You'd be looking at the worst economic disaster in the U. S. in modern times... and if I were a Russian Strategist, that would be one of the first things I'd target using NERVA rockets. I don't believe in Geneva convention, and I'm pretty sure the Communists don't either ever since the debacle at the end of WW2, so I'd expect the Russians to target our civilian infrastructure immediately if a war actually started.

[robocop666]

@Wade12345 the world economy will feel the impact of a war with them. Natural resources will soar. Why are you so pro russia?

[Wade12345]

I'm not pro-russia, I'm just saying realistically our incompetent leaders couldn't win a war with them.

[robocop666]

@Wade12345 well they can't win a war with anyone they just mess up a place

[Gal67]

@Wade12345 "I don't believe in Geneva convention, and I'm pretty sure the Communists don't either ever since the debacle at the end of WW2, so I'd expect the Russians to target our civilian infrastructure immediately if a war actually started."
Russia hasn't been a communist country since the end of 1991, when the USSR fell apart. What "debacle" at the end of World War II?

[robocop666]

@Gal67 they have missiles that can bypass any missile system on earth. So they claim one hits the electric grid your fooked. America seem to have these missiles aswell.

[Wade12345]

@Gal67 They are communist, they just aren't as strictly communistic as they were 30+ years ago.

[Wade12345]

They have nuclear impulse rockets now which can circle the EArth below radar and deliver both nuclear warheads and conventional explosives anywhere on Earth with about a 1 meter error probable.

[robocop666]

@Wade12345 america can do that too. war will be awful for the whole world

[nightdrot]

Not likely. Of course, sometimes wars happen by accident and the element of chance here cannot be ruled out. Thus it is to be hoped that an administration that, it must be said, has not, to say the least, so far demonstrated a gift for subtlety and nuance, will be able to manage this situation.

That said, the US interest in Ukraine is derivative and therefore, not being vital, will not likely lead to war. Not to mention the fact that the mobilization of a mere 8,500 men, given the size of the Russian armed forces, hardly constitutes a major move and is more symbolic than not.

That said, the problem is that if the United States seems to roll over and play dead on the Ukraine issue, then it opens up the possibility that both China and Russia may come to the conclusion that they can move against more sensitive targets - see also Taiwan (where we currently have no treaty obligations) and the Baltic states, where the United States does have NATO treaty obligations.

The other interest we have is in keeping Europe united. This getting to the US historic interest in preventing a dominant hegemon on the continent.

Currently, Germany is blocking the RAF from overflying German airspace. It is also now forbidding the transshipment of Western weapons to Ukraine across its' territory. (See the Three Emperor's League and the Nazi-Soviet Pact for other examples of German-Russian cooperation.) This then putting Poland and the Balts out on a limb.

If Germany is willing to side with Russia against Ukraine and there is no counterweight - in the form of the USA - on the other side, suddenly the whole NATO alliance looks shaky. Suffice to say, that would be to Russia's huge advantage.

So, and here I have only outlined in a VERY generalized way the state of play and skipped over a ton of nuance for sake of brevity, while we do not have a DIRECT interest in Ukraine, it does not mean that there is no interest at all. It is a derivative interest born of other issues but handled with reasonable dexterity, is not likely to lead to war.

[jordan156]

Why Germany and France are unable to impose themselves against Russia when economically they are richer than Russia. Why only the USA can intimidate Russia

[nightdrot]

@jordan156 Well, in the case of Germany, because it can have the USA serve to defend Germany while Germany economically profits in its relationship with Russia.

Most Americans popularly remember that Germany and Russia fought two world wars against each other. However, the truth is, that Germany and Russia have a complicated love/hate relationship. In economic terms, each benefits from the other. Russia is a supplier of raw materials and foodstuffs to Germany. Germany produces finished industrial products to Russia.

Each profits and this has always been true. Of course they don't fully trust each other and eastern Europe has been their bone of contention. However, for Germany at the moment, the Americans are assuring eastern Europe, thus freeing Germany to pursue an economic relationship with Russia.

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[nightdrot]

Not the first time - see also the Three Emperor's League and the Nazi-Soviet pact.

As to France, it sides with Russia when Russia is opposed to Germany. At the moment, though, Germany and Russia are getting along and so France is supporting the USA in the Ukraine issue.

The key - and has been since 1871 - is Germany. The fourth largest economy in the world - Russia ranks as number 12 - right dead center of the continent. France is the 6th largest economy in the world but with far larger and better equipped armed forces.

That said, the populations of Europe in general and Germany and France in particular are aging demographically. Thus their tax base and workforce is shrinking, thus also the number of age for military service, and so their armed forces - though of high quality in France's case (Germany has been gun-shy since 1945) - are shrinking in size.

All that said, you cannot think of this in purely military terms. It is also a question of demographics, economics, diplomacy, geography and the balance of power. France, Germany and Russia are not natural allies and have historically built relationships to counter each other - those alliances shifting back and forth.

As to the USA, we have a larger economy and comparable armed forces and NATO serves our interests. By defending Ukraine we maintain the balance in NATO. Thus we find ourselves facing the Russians. (There have also been other periods of Russian-American rivalry. We too, are not natural friends.)

[jordan156]

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

However, I think Germany is a more loyal ally to the United States than France.

The French hate us Americans when we protect them thanks to NATO. and besides they are always criticizing us

While the Germans in general appreciate us

[nightdrot]

@jordan156 You are romanticizing too much. Nations have interests. Loyalty is about serving those interests and right now, frankly, at least as far as Ukraine and Russia go, France is the more "loyal" ally.

Remember, these are the guiding principles of international relations:

From Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

From Theodore Roosevelt: "World peace comes not from human kindness or moral restraint, but from balanced power; equilibriums of force restraining the selfish aims of nation-states."

From Camillo di Cavour: "Astonish them with my ingratitude." (His response when asked by a reporter what he would do for the Italian liberals who helped him unite Italy.)

Victor Davis Hanson (paraphrasing Thucydides): "Power, not justice... is always the final arbiter of state relations; self-interest, not morality, is what guides and must guide the behavior of states. Appeals to mercy or hope for reprieve are misguided, not rooted in logic or a realistic understanding of human behavior."

Oh, and from President John Quincy Adams: "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

Look beyond the headlines to the history. To be sure culture and other factors can help to forge bonds - see also the USA-UK "special relationship." However, at the end of the day, the international arena is that - an arena.

[jordan156]

For example, France needs NATO, yet it often criticizes it, even though it is not in its interest.

Germany never does that.

[nightdrot]

@jordan156 Yup. France plays the game too. It is not one sided. Again, it is about interests, not sentiment.

Yet France was with the USA in Lebanon in the 80s. Sent troops to Afghanistan. Germany, by contrast, has been very reluctant.

Remember what Lord Ismay said about NATO? It's purpose was to "Keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down."

Germany is quiet about NATO because the lessons of history are such that a united Germany is highly destabilizing to Europe. (See 1914. See 1939.) So Germany has anchored its military security to NATO is a way that France has not.

Further, until the 1990s, Germany was divided. She could not afford to act too far out of NATO's ambit. Now that she is reunited, she is acting more independently. Hence, the pipeline with Russia that is causing so much controversy.

France is more openly critical of NATO - DeGualle famously pulled out of NATO's integrated military structure - but at times like the Cuban Missile Crisis, quietly during the debate over the deployment of Cruise Missiles and Pershing 2 missiles, and during Afghanistan, France sided with its interests - that is, with NATO.

[nightdrot]

P. S. By the way, just as a personal aside, it is a great pleasure chatting with you. You make your points clearly and politely. Very refreshing.

[jordan156]

Thank you very much for these compliments.

Thank you also for taking the time to answer me.

[Gal67]

"If Germany is willing to side with Russia against Ukraine..."
Germany is a NATO member, one of the major ones. They're not going to side with Russia against the Ukraine, even if Putin were to threaten to cut off their energy supplies. The most likely scenario is they will remain neutral; they just won't want to have anything to do with it.

[nightdrot]

@Gal67 You are thinking in either/or's. It is more subtle than that.

Germany already has sided with Russia to some extent. It has banned the RAF from overflying German airspace. It has refused to allow the export of weapons through its territory to Ukraine. It has refused to shut down the Russian oil pipeline. It has refused to consult with President Biden on the Ukraine issue.

The situation is far more complex than you seem to understand. Particularly since reunification, Germany has seen NATO as a shield behind which it can begin to rebuild its interests in eastern Europe. It is also using this as a counterweight to French influence in the EU. (You may recall that France, not Germany, wanted the euro.)

To be sure, in a war between Russia and Ukraine, Germany will remain neutral. This thereby splitting an already very badly divided NATO, by the way. However, in the circumstance well short of war, the various powers - Germany, France, the UK, the USA and Russia - are playing out their historical strategic interests.

Finally, it is also worth adding that in the scenario you have drawn up, if there is a Russian attack on a NATO ally, German neutrality would violate the NATO treaty and shatter the alliance.

[Gal67]

You seem to think that maintaining a neutral stance is equivalent to aiding one of the sides in this conflict. If I don't support football team A, that doesn't therefore mean I support team B; that's a non sequitur fallacy.
Germany has nothing to gain from openly siding with Ukraine, and quite a lot to lose by opposing Russia, but since they're within the Western alliance the most logical and appropriate course of action is to simply stay out of it.
Almost half of Germany's energy requirements come from Russia, so their options are rather few. Germany needs to do what's best for Germany, not England or the United States, neither of which actually give a shit about Ukraine.

[Gal67]

"Finally, it is also worth adding that in the scenario you have drawn up, if there is a Russian attack on a NATO ally, German neutrality would violate the NATO treaty and shatter the alliance."
That's not going to happen though. This is (or at least it should be) purely between Russia and the Ukraine, and Ukraine isn't a NATO member.

[nightdrot]

@Gal67 On your last point, I agree. Most of what I have written, in fact, deals in circumstances well short of war. However, as I also noted, the risks of war by accident or error cannot be ruled out.

As to your point about neutrality. you seem to be under the impression that such neutrality will be viewed with pristine innocence. When in truth, you already have Poland and the Baltic states deeply concerned that any crisis where Germany stands aside will leave them hanging out to dry.

Further, you contradict yourself insofar as you acknowledge that German neutrality is NOT neutral insofar as Germany has nothing to gain from intervention in Ukraine. I fully agree with you and that is the point.

German neutrality benefits Germany but threatens Poland and the Baltic states by leaving them exposed to Russian aggression. It further divides NATO. It may also encourage China to act against Taiwan if it sees the West and the USA divided. It also effectively encourages Russia to act against Ukraine on the assumption that a divided NATO alliance will not be able to act in response. It also weakens the threat of US and other economic sanctions by undermining the impact of those sanctions.

The list goes on. Germany is pursuing its interests. That is to be expected and was my point. However, such pursuit is not consistent with that of other Western allies and its practical effect is to assure that Russia faces divided opposition in any move on Ukraine.

[ohshee]

Sooner or later we are have you already in war with China if you haven't heard they bombed Guam so we started bombing then and that was a cyber War I would do the shoot missiles back and forth to each other I believe it was a ploy to see what kind of knowledge we had Russia was right there in submarines watching everything happen because their computer whizzes sometimes I feel that our politicians I just like Donald Trump big fat fucking mouth kid tries to do scare tactics and did away with nothing but a fucking bully and instead of holding back a little bit and watching and learning and listening we jump right into it he'll open our big fat mouth say my dad's bigger than your dad all I have to say is that I am so happy that I am an American I also am happy that we are all crazy motherfukers and we little people are just sitting back watching and waiting the real sad part about it is we have all these other countries that want to kick our ass I know a couple kids that went into the military and their drill sergeants are not like they have ever been before the two boys that I know that went basic training when they have come back on leave they are crazy motherfukers they have no respect they have nothing except for brainwashed psycho killers and I believe one of these days is going to be American against American our government is that a controlled and one day when the little people get fed up with all the bull crap and we say we're fed up it'll be brother against brother and hopefully the brothers in the military we'll snap out of whatever trance there in because there's going to be a lot of senseless deaths and that is not cool at all

[sean1234]

Mark 13:5-8 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

http://play. google. com/store/apps/details? id=bible. kingjamesbiblelite

And athiests ask for evidence of God's existence? How many more prophecies have to be fulfilled for them to believe? We are definitely there... WELL into it!

[Wade12345]

The most vague prophecy ever written, It means absolutely NOTHING so it will NEVER be fulfilled.

[sean1234]

Only for those who don't look into anything and don't read the word of God. Actually, most Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled, even the Geneva Bible people from the 16th century acknowledged the 1st through 5th seals being opened then.

[Wade12345]

I've read the New Testament must be a hundred times, and I've seen no evidence that any New Testament prophecy has EVER been fulfilled.

[sean1234]

It's interesting with the Geneva Bible, I don't really read it all that much, but it has explanations of things, some are incorrect, but when it came to the 7 seals, they did acknowledge 5th seals opened in their lifetime because quite frankly, they were living in it and it's the same with the seal before it.

Anyways the corruption of today, as in the days of Noah will the coming of the son of man be and in the Old Testament it says people were only evil continually. People weren't evil continually in the past, people believed in God and its word even if it was an incomplete viewpoint. These days I'm seeing people practically breaking all 10 commandments and just about any other thing claiming they are Christian!

[sean1234]

Oh in the past, I meant 100 years ago and back roughly

[Gal67]

Yes, I think that this time war will break out, either via miscalculation or intent. 8,500 troops aren't much, they couldn't on their own stop (or even hinder) a major invasion of the Ukraine, but of course that deployment would only be the very first, and more would follow. I see this spiralling out of control, and I also see the Chinese using this as an opportunity to seize Taiwan.
I guess I should finally write my will, and I'll have to be sure I have a sufficient supply of pop-corn on hand.

[AviatorTom]

Your question is not correct... the Pentagon has put US troops on "'heightened alert" as the US and its allies (ex:NATO) discuss whether to send more troops to Eastern Europe to counter Russia's threat along the Russia-Ukraine border.

Personally, I don't see a war happening, though there will probably be a lot of military "posturing" and "threats" on both sides. Ultimately, Ukraine will remain independent and will not become part of NATO (that would be a direct and unacceptable threat to Russia).

[sage2021]

@AviatorTom We are both correct! I watched the news as the speaker for the Pentagon was informing us of what was happening. I read on the bottom of the screen in big red letters with quotation marks "Heightened Alert" then it changed after about 15 minutes to "Highest Alert" and that is why I said "Highest Alert". I thought it had gotten worse. That's when I decided to make this post.

[BeMuse]

What you didn't catch on with all the Russia Russia Russia shit over the past decade that the Democrats are balls deep in corruption associated with Russia and they will do anything to avoid swinging from the gallows up to and including total nuclear war... Welcome to reality. Are you awake yet or will it take a false flag of a nuclear detonation in a major US city triggering a nuclear holocaust? You're dealing with truly evil people.

[BeMuse]

Training 6 months ago... Catch up ketchup...

www.the-sun.com/.../

[BeMuse]

When the real TRUTH re: Russian collusion is right in front of you but the FAKE NEWS media prevents public awareness.
Conformity and Behavior.

Q

[BeMuse]

Think HRC Russia reset statement [Russia].
Think Hussein 'I'll have more flexibility after the election' hot mic statement to Russian depo re: Q to Hussein re: Putin.
Think Hussein WH refusal to send weapons to Ukraine [R Congress push to assist] but instead sent only blankets.
Think [D]s attack (s) re: POTUS for failure to 'protect' Ukraine against Russian aggression? [Impeachment]
What advanced weapons did POTUS send to Ukraine?
2 + 2 = 6?
Define projection.
Think $1,800,000,000 Hussein WH > Ukraine [which bank?].
Think US AID > Ukraine
Think WW AID > Ukraine
Think U1 [sale of US uranium to Russia]
Sold out US to benefit Russia for personal financial gain?
Risked US National Security for personal financial gain?
How was payment made to US person (s)?
Think Ukraine.
Think Iran.
Russia & Iran allies?
Russia, Iran, & China allies?
US pol corruption China
US pol corruption Ukraine [US leverage on behalf of…]
US pol corruption Russia
US pol corruption Iran
Common denominator: China, Russia, and Iran: Closed financial systems?
Logical thinking.

Q

[BeMuse]

Define the terms of the Iran nuclear deal.
Does the agreement define & confine cease & desist ‘PRO’ to the republic of Iran?
What if Iran created a classified ‘satellite’ Nuclear facility in Northern Syria?
What if the program never ceased?
What other bad actors are possibly involved?
Did the U. S. know?
Where did the cash payments go?
How many planes delivered?
Did all planes land in same location?
Where did the U1 material end up?
Is this material traceable?
Yes.
Define cover.
What if U1 material ended up in Syria?
What would be the primary purpose?
SUM OF ALL FEARS.
In the movie, where did the material come from?
What country?
What would happen if Russia or another foreign state supplied Uranium to Iran/Syria?
WAR.
What does U1 provide?
Define cover.
Why did we strike Syria?
Why did we really strike Syria?
Define cover.
Patriots in control.

Q

[BeMuse]

This is how bribed politicians and rigged elections affect people's lives... People that are bought and paid for sell out our country. They put our lived and those of our kids at risk. They would let the world burn in nuclear war just for some pocket change...

WHAT HAPPENS IF BIDEN BECAME POTUS KNOWING HE [THROUGH HUNTER + 1] TOOK MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BRIBES TO CHANGE [LOOK THE OTHER WAY] US POLICY TOWARDS UKRAINE [IN FAVOR OF UKRAINE]?
WOULD UKRAINE OWN AND CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE?

Q

[BipBipLeddus]

A declaration of war is possible, but unlikely. This is pretty much just the US making a statement. It all depends on whether or not a US or Russian soldier in Ukraine gets jumpy. If one shoots the other, you can pretty much guarantee open war from then on until one party withdraws from Ukraine. After that, cold war is back on the menu. 90s nostalgia is going a little too far with that one.

Russia is going to keep doing this until the separatists and defectors take over the rest of Ukraine and hand the deed to Putin practically for free, just like Crimea. After that, tensions will ease up, then the worthless politicking resumes. The UN will keep not recognizing Russia's newly acquired territory as part of the Russian Federation, and Russia will continue having it anyway.

World War 3 will be fought with nuclear weapons. World War 4 will be fought with slings and spears. Such is the fate that rich old men have decided for you.

[lightbulb27]

I don't think we are going to war, hope not. if so, 8500 is a drop in the bucket.
more likely russia pushes to get some negotiation. if they invade, they take them out quickly or else it won't work, get stuck in the spring mud.

I doubt he'd posture so long and invade, why do that when he could do so by surprise, or by coup? Doesn't make sense, he's negotiating and testing reoslve. Putin's been complaining for a year without movement, so he's pushing the issue.

The problem though... itchy trigger fingers. You won't catch me flying anywhere near that area. Bunch of people got killed not long ago by mistake missile launch.

[hahahmm]

Hopefully not because the leading rivals to the U. S. know the U. S. is super soft right now. We don't have the ideological determination to go all out in a war. We also haven't promoted the right people in the military for decades. We mostly promote people who make good diplomats/political operatives instead of the people who are the best at getting things done. Other countries didn't make that mistake... one day the U. S. will fight the wrong country and the results will be much more disastrous than Afghanistan.

[hahahmm]

And if there's a war it won't be a simple war... every rival will come out of the wood work at once and it'll be a 3-4 front war. That's hard to fight even when you're not soft.

[Lliam]

The U. S. is playing brinkmanship. It wants to take all of the former Ukraine away from Russia in order to rob Russia of it's primary, warm water naval base. It also wants to build military bases along all of Russia's borders. It's insane now the U. S. tries to characterize Russia's defensive moves as aggressive.

Historical fact: The Obama administration engineered a coup against the democratically elected Ukrainian government by actual swastika-saluting Nazis. Many Ukrainians, especially those in the east, were horrified. The new Ukrainian regime attempted a violent purge of those citizens who were Russian or who preferred a Russia alliance. But the U. S. doesn't care about human rights or democracy. It's only goal is world domination by any means necessary.

The Democratic part has become the party of both totalitarianism at home and unreserved aggression abroad.

[EnglishEuropean]

You're forgetting that Ukraine is an independent nation.

[Lliam]

@EnglishEuropean, so was Libya. So are countries like Syria, Venezuela and Iran. That doesn't stop the U. S. and its allies from trying to destroy them.

[BCA6010]

If the US was expecting actual hostilities, we'd be sending A LOT more than 8,500 people.

8500 troops forward deployed to a region is at the absolute most, only about 2,000 combat troops- and the US military tends to run closer to ~10% of soldiers being combat troops. Sounds a lot more like a security force to assist in evacuation or relief efforts to me.

[Anonymous]

No use in closing the gate after the horse gets out. We lost our chance of beating the God damn Russian's asses at the end of WW2, we were the only one with the atomic bomb. Too late now. We better let this situation alone, other than arms and support. Them God damn Russians will kick our's and our NATO helper's asses. We will be in Russia's ball park. We are too fucked up now to try committing suicide and Putin knows it. The Afghanistan fuck up sent a good message to Putin, he liked what he saw. Putin is in the driver's seat.

[WilliamPamer446]

Probably, i've been suspsecting this is going to happen. The least this f*cker could do is give us a time of peace after the Iraq-Afghanistan mess. It hurt enough that the war was orchestrated and doomed to fail and caused more trouble than help, but its like throwing salt on the wound to make us lose the war on purpose

[Anonymous]

We're overdue for a world-wide scale war. In bygone days, wars were always a threat even in the developed areas. People have been sitting pretty for too long. They've gotten too comfortable and are complaining about insignificant shit like pronouns, wage-gap, dress codes and other idiotic things. I've been waiting for a massive reckoning to put people in their places again.

My ancestors fought hard in WW1, WW2, the Napoleonic wars, and other major conflicts. They built themselves up from nothing and worked hard. Many of them were out in the ditches working for their families even as young as age 67. Modern folks have been sitting around complaining about nothing and have no idea how good they have it. So let the raining of bombs, cannon fire, carnage, and battles begin!

They'll be begging for scraps when it happens and wish they didn't complain so much.

[Opinion Owner]

even as young as 6 or 7 *

[MCheetah]

It would be absolutely idiotic to go to war over Russia/Ukraine when China has been the black eye on the planet for the last 15-20 years now. I REALLY hope the Biden administration isn't THIS incompetent. They can't be. This all just has to be blowing smoke.

[Fuentes]

Actually it's been Hidden but NATO has been massing troops on Russia's border and now the US is sending troops. So either Putin backs down or it's inevitable with this administration.

[tartaarsaus]

If the US would be going to war with Russia, it’d be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of troops and sending most naval assets to Europe. Mobilizing 8.5k troops is nothing. So no, it is not going to war.

[Wade12345]

i hope to God not. We'll spend anotherh 10 trillion dollars and get God only knows how many people killed on both sides if we end up in a proxy war much less an open war with Russia.

This is just old peopl eand very stupid people in our government and Russias who are about to ruin the world for entire generations of people for no good reason other than their mad quest for power and wealth.

[HighValue]

I don't know. Biden is trying to distract people from his terrible decisions of ruining our energy independence, economy, etc. Weapons are being supplied to Ukraine while threatening Russia with sanctions.
Russia has been pushed away and into China's arms. They will be allies against us. the sanctions won't matter to Russia.
I think after the Olympics are over something will happen with China and Russia. Russia will likely take part or all of Ukraine and China may attack Taiwan.

[KostasKouvalis]

Looks like it. So funny how Biden wanted to be remembered for ending the war in Afghanistan, only to start another.
It seems that these Generals, these politicians, don't know how to live without war.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

What I heard is if Russia invades Ukraine the U. S. is going to intervene there suppose to be some U. S. troops or people in Ukraine, so President Biden wants to protect them and I imagine if there are U. S. Citizens in Ukraine President Biden wants to bring them home safely without them getting killed but it's hard to say?

[DiegoO]

Anything can happen. I hope the conflict don't go any further.

1) With the pandemic my chances of finding a job, decreased.

2) With the shitty despotic government of my country, pretty much I don't have much options.

3) Never subestimate a tyrant delusion.

[CoolGuy7532]

No. The US will not go to war with Russia over Ukraine. But it will impose consequences on Russia if it invades.

[Anonymous]

This is common in politics. Biden's approval ratings are the lowest of any president. One way to possibly change that is some type of military conflict and hope the public rallies around him.

[Anonymous]

I mean if America’s government wants to keep wasting money and destroy their own economy and kill their own men, go ahead. Why would I believe US politicians when Mike Pompeo once said, “we lied, we cheated, we stole”.

[abc3643]

I don't believe we will be going to war. First-off, for a real war, Congress needs to declare it and, with so much hyperpartisan shit going on, short of another 9/11, Congress couldn't agree on which brand of toilet paper to use.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course, we are not going to war. But if Russia escalates the war in Ukraine, then NATO has to be ready. Because all bets are off when it comes to the Baltic states, etc.

[JDAC2209199]

I hope not because if you do we usually join you thanks to the allied forces.

[NathanDavis]

an actual war that involves Russia... would have to include submarines yes or yes, so... check underwater and look out for them

[JohnK123]

To assist Eastern Europe and nato yes but not directly America vs russia

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Nope. This is called saber-rattling. Neither side wants war, and both sides know it. It may escalate, but we're not going to war.

[Jerre]

No. I think Biden just trying to scare Putin, but won’t work. He knows NATO troops, including U. S. troops, cannot legally help Ukraine militarily, other than sending them arms, etc. we or NATO cannot go into Ukraine.

[tartaarsaus]

NATO can go into Ukraine, they don’t want to. And these troops are also sent to the Baltics and other NATO countries

[Jerre]

@tartaarsaus totally disagree. Ukraine is not a member of NATO ANDBY NATO bylaws the cannot go into Ukraine.

[tartaarsaus]

It doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree. By matter of statute, they can go into Ukraine if Ukraine wants them to.

If the USA wants to deploy to Ukraine, it can simply choose to do so, just like it does in many areas where NATO as a collective doesn’t deploy

[Wester1967]

Are we idiots? Probably. What would Biden's defense secretary do with his worthless defense stocks if we didn't go to war?

[eagle1951]

probably again in another country and business that we should stay out of

[Robber_Baron]

"Are we going to war?"

Yes, and we'll lose again.

[sage2021]

@Robber_Baron
Do you know for sure we are going to war?

[Robber_Baron]

Inflation is at a 40 year high, the stock market is crashing, the Covid pandemic is raging and the border is wide open... Biden needs a war and republicans are too stupid and useless to prevent him from doing so.

[Curmudgeon]

You would think they would have learned the lesson from the Russian Czar to the Argentine Dictators: going to war is generally a failure.

[EnglishEuropean]

@Curmudgeon Only to the side that loses.

[Luckycharms12]

I don't understand why Europe and US are so mad to flex China are doing to to Hong Kong and others. It happens in Africa all the time and nothing is it because its Europe or they are white.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Joe can't even remember what day it is. How do you think he's gonna run a war? He's gonna blow hard a bit, then watch the Ukraine fall from the side lines.

[MrTaboo]

8,500 that's it? That's not that much for a war. Maybe a small conflict somewhere. Not a war. And being in the military, we havnt heard a thing

[sage2021]

@MrTaboo the 8.5K troops are to assist NATO

[MrTaboo]

And nato doesn't have enough troops to conduct a war either. The USA is 80-90 of NATO assets.

[Dargil]

I don't think so. We have no defense agreement with or moral obligation to Ukraine.

[LovingJo]

It's very possible!! It's been pending for years!! 😣😣

[noohair]

Europeans consider themselves superior to Americans. So why should we spend American blood and treasure every time they can't get along?

[MickHardin]

I had to laugh, I had forgotten, it's true, Europeans do think they are superior.

[genericname85]

Yeah, they're starting a war with Russia, i think. The propaganda has been running wild lately.

[realandcurious]

8,500 troops is nothing that’s not even a threat. That’s a well we don’t really want to scare you or we are too weak to really show force.

[888theGreat]

they are going to other countries , to keep Russia from invading other countries. Of course Russia could go through them like shit through a pigeon

[Anonymous]

Putin is testing someone he views as a very weak, old POTUS. I doubt he will actually pull the trigger.

[BillyBalls]

I hope not.

However, I hope it does. It will prove what a mistake electing Biden was.

[Lj0011]

https://youtu.be/JuyPnpu2Dik

[Jersey2]

It’s all political theater until people end up dead. We need to be careful not trivialize it or it can happen.

[Lj0011]

@Jersey2 what's frustrating and always has been its elites who always benefit from war, while everyday people just want to live a life of peace. In ww1 the Germans and English celebrated Christmas together only to go back killing each other the next day. American and Japanese troops met each other 60 years after ww2 and basically stated the same thing, they would rather have not seen and done the horrible things they did. They've just wanted to live a normal and peaceful life and raise families.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes. The demons who own the politicians desire more money through war.

[OddBeMe]

doubtful. its more a political gesture at this point.

[joeldalton]

lovely. Another shit show from the democrats.

[Anonymous]

I doubt it. What NATO threat is there at the moment?

[Waldoe]

It is always possible, watch the NEWS... NOT GaG

[CountessSarah]

When is the USA ever /not/ going to war.

[Shamalien]

Someone tell me what’s happening

[sage2021]

@Shamalien you should watch CNN or Fox news if you are in America 🇺🇸

[Shamalien]

Im at work in Canada

[Fuentes]

Russia has been massing troops on Ukraine's border the issue is, Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO because that's enemies in their backyard and we won't guarantee them that we won't build missles if they do join NATO. So Russia say's either we drop Ukraine or they will attack so far over 100k troops are on the border, jets and tanks so now the US and NATO are taking an aggresive stance against Russia which could lead us to WW3.

[Still-alive]

it's 50/50 at this point. who knows

[disgustingweebtrash]

8.5k is literally nothing

[TheSpartan]

No, it's a bluff; both sides do it.

[crmoore]

It could just me an indirect warning to Russia.

[Anonymous]

What war? Please say "this is a joke". 😱😨

[Tstrbrainer]

Not a joke, but just a false alarm

[Opinion Owner]

Both not joke and false alarm? How so?

[Tstrbrainer]

The problem is real, there's a tension, but honestly I don't think any country have the balls to enter into a war unless it is ruled by a dictator

[anylolone]

If it's war, it won't be just 8,5K vs 127K.

[sean1234]

And yet really it's 2 or 3 dictator people going to war here and there. Why can't they go to an deserted island and just duke it out themselves?😒

[anylolone]

@sean1234 Actually, right now it's a bunch of militia. The armies there are just posing, just saber rattling. (and providing support for the militias)

[sean1234]

I just mean if these few people were gone forever that would fill up a large classroom give or take, these wars would never exist. Reminds me of that battle ship game.

[anylolone]

@sean1234 What battleship game?

[sean1234]

Board game.. You know know, it opened up like a laptop computer, but all plastic with little ships with red pegs that went in them...

th.bing.com/.../R.e9cb99ab2ee09868cd091eae55c85325

[anylolone]

@sean1234 Oh, I got it.

[grega239]

Not yet. But soon from the looks of it