Arguing that “statistics show that these shootings are justified, therefore these shootings are justified” which I’ve seen you argue on this post is a circular fallacy
“The links bellow show the real picture. The reason why is that inner city people are way more likely to be violent criminals and way more likely to be black.” - you :)
"In 2015, 48.3 percent (128) of the shooters who committed justifiable homicides were white, 47.5 percent (126) were black, 1.9 percent (five) were Asian, 0.8 percent (two) were American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 1.5 percent (four) were of unknown race.7 For the five-year period 2011 through 2015, 48.0 percent (557) of the shooters who committed justifiable homicides were white, 48.4 percent (561) were black, 1.9 percent (22) were Asian, 0.5 percent (six) were American Indian/ Alaskan Native, and 1.2 percent (14) were of unknown race. [For additional information see Table Seven: Race of Shooter in Justifiable Homicides by Firearm, 2011-2015.]"
Based on statistics 3% of our population commits about 49% of ALL violent crime. Black men know that they're more likely to be killed by another black man than any other deadly threat. I'm surprised that the number is so low...17? I'd have to dig into the sources of the data for that one.
They don't publish sources. It's not surprising it's so low, remember that most violence is within groups, so it more or less checks out as the expected.
That's a smart answer. Go check the links in the update, specially the study PDF. Turns out black men really like to kill in self defense, they are 6% of the population but around 50% of all people who killed in self defense.
And black people are way less than 13% of all gun owners, by the way.
It likely is influenced by the causes of the killing. Black on White crime tends to be more prolific than White on Black crime on top of this, statistically Black on Black crime tends to be far more prolific than White on White crime.
So it only makes sense that you will more likely run into White people justifiably (such as self defense) killing a black person, than the other way around.
It's not "more prolific" it's "more prolific given their proportion to the general population." That's because most crime happen in areas where blacks are around or more than 50% of the population. Which is why they don't tell you the reverse. Because the reverse is likely very close.
And the number of criminal kills and justifiable kills is heavily eschewed to criminal kills. So, when a white person kills a white person, it's likely to be a criminal kill, when a white kill any non white person, it's more likely to be justifiable than the later. When a black person kills another black person, it's likely to be a criminal kill, when they kill a non black person, it's more likely to be a justifiable kill as well than the later.
But criminal kills are so more common that it's not even close to 50/50.
They don’t tell the reverse because white people by and large will hear about a police shooting and ask what did he do where as blacks immediately assume racism and are wrong 99.9% of the time
This is dumb. Numbers are skewed. Pay attention to some numbers, more white guys are killed by cops per capita. Numbers are just dumb period. You can't believe anything. Whose numbers can you believe in reference to anything. Not a whole lot.
Congratulation, you don't even need the links. But go check the data to confirm your suspicions, and lean more nice things. Like the fact that data on justified killings is already eschewed just by their standards on when they record it.
Well... Life's a bitch. At least you don't live in blue cities without gun rights. Think about it, if blue cities didn't infringed so much on gun rights, you'd have way more black dudes killing thugs in self-defense.
And the fuckers who say "BLM" are trying to disarm black folks, so those numbers are even lower.
This could be read as 1. The justice system is racist Or 2. White people are 8 times less likely to kill a black person for no reason than the average killing
Not anywhere near enough info to draw an informed conclusion
No, the second is completely wrong. When it comes to general murder, white people are 10x more likely to kill another white person than any other ethnicity. (or something like that, I don't remember.)
Well, are you saying that blacks commit even more unjustified murders, because that's the logical conclusion. If you look at the date on justified murders, that's.
And there's even more justified murders, because the bureau of statistics only collects data on justified murders where there wasn't a surviving charged and convicted accomplice.
No. I'm saying you can't draw a logical conclusion without knowing more details. Can you show me one case out of these justifiable homicides that is objectively unjustified?
"RACE OF SHOOTER IN JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDES BY FIREARM n In 2015, 48.3 percent (128) of the shooters who committed justifiable homicides were white, 47.5 percent (126) were black, 1.9 percent (five) were Asian, 0.8 percent (two) were American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 1.5 percent (four) were of unknown race.7 For the five-year period 2011 through 2015, 48.0 percent (557) of the shooters who committed justifiable homicides were white, 48.4 percent (561) were black, 1.9 percent (22) were Asian, 0.5 percent (six) were American Indian/ Alaskan Native, and 1.2 percent (14) were of unknown race. [For additional information see Table Seven: Race of Shooter in Justifiable Homicides by Firearm, 2011-2015.]"
I don't care if you "likely can". If you're trying to say the justice system is letting white people off the hook for murdering black people, you need to show where a majority of "justifiably homicides" were clearly unjustifiable. I'm only asking for one.
I feel like there are some terms that need to be defined here. I understand that justified in this case means "self defense" but how is that determined?
You are wrong. It's related to how high blacks assail whites and how often whites even kill at all. I wish I had the numbers for Asians, but it must be way weirder considering how few felonies they commit or suffer. Check the links, it's enlightening.
I don't have the details on, that, but the information on the "update" section is very telling. It's exactly what you'd expect with a twist. Blacks are a half of all civilian justified killers. Civilians kill just as much as police while not actively trying to engage with violent individuals. And the number is under reported, which is the twist, because for the report, someone needs to be arrested and the homicide can't count as murder, meaning it can't have any surviving perp who'd be held responsible for the homicide instead of the self defense shooter.
He's not the source of the information. It's a matter of public record so go look it up. His opinion is irrelevant. Abortion and then black on black murder are the two biggest killers of blacks... not just in the USA but ON THE WHOLE PLANET!!! Go look up the statistics before you respond please.
Dude, I meant YOU are not the generator of the data. You posted a link... which means YOU are not the source of the data. And if Jimmy wanted to refute the data then he would have to go to the source, in which case your opinion is irrelevant. The data exists regardless of opinion. No need to insult someone just because you don't understand what they're saying.
And I agree with your post overall. I'm just surprised that the number isn't higher than 17 but you already responded to that. Ok, bud?
The links bellow show the real picture. The reason why is that inner city people are way more likely to be violent criminals and way more likely to be black. That skews the average, making everything look weird. How they happen to look is irrelevant and a misdirection done by racists.
When you break it down, you get that civilians are registered to kill thugs in self defense just as often as police and blacks are half of those people, because blacks are about half in the places with high criminality because they supposedly keep voting blue, no matter who.
This figure is likely even more skewed for SE Asians and jews.
Whites kills way more whites than any other group (self defense of otherwise), this is true for any group, aside from extreme minority groups. (blacks wouldn't be few enough to count in this, which is why they also kill way more blacks than anyone else. But since they mostly live in diverse areas, it's less pronounced.)
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