Do you agree with trans women competing in sports?

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My boyfriend the other day said that it wasn’t fair to the other women I didn’t know what to say though because I am not sure I just think that it’s better for trans women to compete as a woman because I feel like the male teams would treat them like shit

Prettygurl12 · Accepted Answer

Biological males should compete against biological males. Biological females should compete against biological females.

An easy solution for this is to make male sports open and restrict female sports to only biological females.

The fact is that males and females are genetically different. Male bodies produce more testosterone which aids in the building of muscle. Men are genetically bigger/stronger/faster than women.

And to your point about trans people being treated poorly by men... real talk? People treat people like crap all the time. It's not a gendered or sexuality-based thing. It's a human thing.

You are dealt the hand you're dealt in life and it's your job to make it work for you. It is no one's job to cater to your identity politics or your feelings.

You being offended is a you problem. Not the fault of whoever said or did whatever it is that offended you.

Like... I am a 5'4" 120 lb female. I'm a petite person. I'm very small. I'm also a cop. I am almost guaranteed to be smaller than everyone I deal with. I'm also more than likely going to be dealing with men. The criminal justice field is dominated both on the employee and criminal sides by men. Is it the job of the male I arrest to go easy on me because I'm small and female? No. It's on me to accept my lot in life and figure out how to make it work for me. I've been in this field for a number of years now. I know I have to train harder at every aspect of this job in order to be taken seriously by fellow cops and to survive on the road. I know I'm small and so I try hard every day. I have proven to my male coworkers that if I'm on a call shit is gonna be handled correctly. They also know that if I come to back them I will do my fuckin job. They know that I know my criminal law and I am competent to do this job.

Respect is earned, not freely given.

Redhead999 · Accepted Answer

1. Transwomen can't compete in men's sports because they can't compete physically with men.
2. Women can't compete in men's sports because they can't compete physically with men.
3. Trans men can't compete in men's sports because they can't compete with men physically
4. Trans Women shouldn't compete with women because women can't compete physically on the same level as trans women.

Ask yourself why isn't there any issue being raised about tran men competing in men's sports? Simply because the best trans male athlete can't even compete at the very bottom of men's sports.

Soteris · Accepted Answer

I think its a moot point. If you have championships I think virtually every attempt to divide the competitors into different groups is antithetical to the spirit of the competition. Not saying its always bad but you need to provide some really good justifications for it such as the paraolympics.

When it comes to the big show where you intend to have the best of the best compete for the title of the strongest/fastest/best etc.. I dont think you can justify dividing it. Its just weird that you give out a title that basically says "You are the best of all... except for those people because they were not allowed to compete with you."

There is nothing that we lose by allowing everyone to compete together and it elevates the title of the best even further. If it becomes an issue such as women being unable to compete then I think having a separate competition for them is justified if there is enough interest but that should be at addition to the bigger title and not as a silly division of it that makes no actual rational sense.

Having everyone compete together solves all sort of issues that is otherwise created by trying to divide them into poorly defined groups.

DaveJord · Accepted Answer

Let me honest most transgender men (that's biological men that want to be surgically manipulated by science and medically mutilated) probably could not compete on the same level with men and would not make the team.

Now if your a genetic women that could compete with men then you would, but most women can not... depending on the sport... but if they could they would make men's teams. But the simple fact is, and its undisputable, most trans gender men (biological men) would be maybe better then average against most other men... but far out perform a women.

For example qualifying standard time for US Men's 100m sprint for the Olympics is 10 seconds. Women's standard qualifying times is 11.15 seconds. That's like a 10 meter difference is separation between the top Female and Man athlete in a head to head.

So as a man if you ran 10.5 second 100m sprint... your not making the team... but as a women you would be setting world records and blowing out the completion. So if you wanted a Gold Medal all you would have to do is go through hormone treatments and wear a wig.

Lliam · Answer

Absolutely NOT! They are not women. That's the reason for the "trans" prefix.

Their bone structure and muscles are not female.

They are destroying the advancements women have made since Title IX was passed in the U. S. Women are losing out on scholarships and other benefits due to men competing in women's athletics.

Many of those men ranked very low in men's athletic competitions, so they switched over to women's athletics so that they could win against girls.

If "trans"-woman athletes are allowed to take hormones, why not let women take testosterone or steroids?

In the end, I am opposed to allowing biological males to compete in women's athletics because it's patently unfair. However, I have no problem with opening up men's competitions to women. There are some women who could compete equally with men in certain sports. Give them a chance. The only harm would be to men's egos if they were beat fair and square by women.

So, either let women compete against men or create a new category for trans athletes.

MCheetah · Answer

No. They are literally men and the rest of society shouldn't have to suffer because of a few narcissitic selfish dipsh*ts who want to ruin years of hard work women put in to train when they have a physical advantage they were born with, while wanting society to pretend they're female anyway. Its literally f*cking cheating and then trying to shame society into not calling it cheating. These people are losers of the highest caliber and I spit on them. By "these people," I mean these transwomen selfishly trying to force their way into women's sports, not transpeople in general. But it's the selfish losers like these jag-offs that make me completely lose all respect for all transpeople, in general. I know many of them aren't this selfish and pathetic, but they aren't against using biological advantages to cheat in sports, either.  Remember when we used to mock this kind of idiocy in society?

Kiran_Yagami · Answer

I am 100% for it. The hilariousness of this whole situation is that no man will ever fear a trans-male or woman identifying as man in men's sports. That will never happen. If a trans male tried, no one would notice. It'd never make the papers. No man in the locker room would bat an eye. No men would complain if a woman claiming to be a man showed up in their shower room. So progressive women have created a monster that can only hurt them. The whole "Kill all TERFs!" was the obvious prelude to the trans movement taking over women's spaces. That's why they had to purge dissent, AKA the TERFs. And now that liberal women have essentially promoted their own erasure, I can't be bothered to give a damn. Progressive women have been beating men over the head for decades with divorce laws, "misogyny", "YesAllWomen", "Believe all women", "me too", and whatever other bullshit they can come up with to blame their woes on the male gender. Why should I lift a finger to help any woman? Would they do the same for us? I think the great Bishop Bullwinkle can answer that question for us:

HighlyVolatile · Answer

I don't think there's a way to be completely fair to both trans athletes and females at the same time, but trans athletes tend to have a dominant advantage in many sports.

If we take Mary Gregory, for example, she broke four women's powerlifting world records in a single day in spite of being on HRT for over a year and a half. That seems almost statistically impossible for a member of less than ~0.6% of the population -- brand new to a sport -- to break four world records in one day if there was no physiological advantage.

A lot of the male advantage in sports comes down to things like proportions and body mechanics which can't be erased by HRT once developed for transwomen, and can't be gained much through HRT absent the prior years for transmen.

SamIam96 · Answer

It isn't fair to female athletes. Males and females are physically different. If you've lived your life, bathed in male hormones, training for competition, you're essentially male. Genitalia and mental perspective don't change the physical advantages you enjoy.

Look at world class marathon results. Finishing before the best, world class women is always a group of unknown guys. These guys are good. They train, work hard. But there are so many of them that, they are not known outside of their local running clubs. And, they're all faster than the fastest woman on the planet.

Women are not men athletically.

A really interesting question relates to women who have genetic differences where their hormone makeup is more like men's than women's despite being born with female parts. There's an Indian runner that fits into this group. Her story is heartbreaking. I don't know of an easy answer that would allow her to compete fairly with other women.

caitycat21 · Answer

You’re absolutely right. A lot of people don’t know that trans women in the US are actually more likely to be attacks than cis people. Trans women after going on HRT will have no advantage over a cis woman in sports despite what people against trans women in sports say.

Another thing that’s interesting is that people that say they want to “save women’s sports” literally only ever really care about women’s sports when trans women are in the discussion.

If you want to talk about real issues in women’s sports we can talk about the wage gap, the over sexualization of women in sports, the sexual abuse that female athletes deal with at the hands of COACHES, and the issue with rampant eating disorders

ZackBan · Answer

The liberal dilemma here is that by denying trans women competing with women they are basically acknowledging that trans women are in fact men.
But by allowing them, women are getting destroyed in their own sports which is not what feminists wanna see.
But if they create a trans league pretty much no one will watch it. Barely anyone watches female sports as it is.

It's a hard question for anyone to answer and it feels like they need to pick an outcome.
Personally I would say do not let trans women compete with women.
If they wanna try and beat the men they are more than welcome to but otherwise tough luck, sports is not for everyone many men can't cut it in any sports no one is out here saying let them play with women instead.

Jenny4455 · Answer

Best comment I've heard on this was from a tory mp of all people. He said leave it to the governing bodies of sports. They are the experts, they have the information to know what is and isn't fair within their sport and how to rule on it.
I'm fed up of people saying 'it's simple biology' simple biology is what your taught as a child to build upon. Biology is vastly more complex

SlothySlob · Answer

In this example we have a transgender boy completing in a girls wrestling league. He was taking testosterone as a prescription for transitioning, therefore it was not regarded as doping.

Razp_Sorbet · Answer

The reason why men's and women's sports is segregated is because men got mad that a few women were beating them so they banned women from sports then slowly introduced segregated sports, some require women to achieve lower scores even though they are perfectly capable of meeting the same scores as men just to save their egos

Anonymous · Answer

Trans women have no place in women sports, at least not professionally (ok for amateurs if it is not affecting the safety of the females they are competing against). There are proven biological differences between males and females, else why would we even have categories for women in the first place.
So if you decide on transitioning it comes with consequences, one of them might be that you cannot compete professionally against other males anymore because you take hormones. It should not lead to consequences for others.

Guy13 · Answer

First severed link in the TransWorld chain.

IF they can’t be around genetically 🧬 weaker/different females in sports
THEN
Trans Man-Woman can NOT be in same bathroom as the genetically different 🧬 females.-F-in little girl watching Perverts‼️

Anonymous · Answer

They should have a trans category for sports that are dependent on strength. I feel like it's cheating for a guy who isn't even in the top 500 of men to all of the sudden say he's a girl and winning women's first place by a margin. Imagine that 2nd place girl getting her championship taken from her because of that

A site called boysvswomen and video titled "man servers with no mercy" show why there are separate genders for those specific sports. It sounds nice to remove gender division from sports completely but I'd rather have women play in a fair competition than just be statistically overshadowed

Wade12345 · Answer

Nope.

Biological males should compete with biological males.

Castrating yourself doesn't make you a woman.

A woman is a human being born with a vagina and two XX chromosomes and no Y chromosomes.

Unless you are a homorphrodite, you don't get to choose your gender.

worldscolide · Answer

I see men who choose to mutilate their body so they can compete in female sports as thiefs. No more no less. They failed as male athletes so they felt it was OK to steal from biological women. It's wrong. If you're born male, with an x and y chromisome, you should not be able to compete in women's sports period, no matter how many hormones you take, no matter how much you mutilate your body, you cannot change your genetics..

Tjw78 · Answer

It isn't fair for female athletes to compete against biological males. They are completely different when it comes to bone structure, bone density, muscle structure, lung capacity, etc. Just because they want to believe they are something they aren't, doesn't mean that the rest of the world should accommodate their dilusion.

Anonymous · Answer

Short answer: No.

Fun answer: I agree with Frankie Boyle, we have all seen what athletes are capable of without drugs etc, its way past time that we learnt what people are capable of when they have the legs of a kangeroo and the heart of a leopard.

Long answer: Can't be bothered.

IceCreamSandwich · Answer

If you say no then doesn't that just mean trans men would have to compete in female sports? Wouldn't that cause even more problems?

jammcm · Answer

We have been going down this path for a long time. We passed laws that both genders had to have equal opportunity in sports. Thus women and men sports. Then the courts said that girls could play football with the boys and that girls could join Boy Scouts. So lets strip the name and make it just sports. No longer segregate the women from the men. Just my thought, Have a fun day.

exitseven · Answer

If they want to dress up as a girl and tell people they are girls I do not care but they have a big advantage over girls who were born female. It is not fair and they are taking scholarships away from people who worked hard to become good athletes. The schools turn a bling eye because they want a winning team at all costs.

TommyMountainFigure · Answer

I disagree with a fair bit with BoJo, but I think he is spot on with this. Otherwise, you are going to end up with sports women all having to go down the trans route if they want a fighting chance of winning!

virtue2332 · Answer

I have no issue with trans people at all. When it comes to competition that has to do with agressive physical strength like combat sports there could be issues of safety or if they are taking something for the transition there would have to be a decision made as to whether it was considered performance enhancing.

notwoke · Answer

we can't make it hard on 50% of the population to accommodate 1% of the population. If we're going to do this, just eliminate womens sports and have men and women compete together, no more women will ever make the team.
trans people should be put into therapy during "sports time" so they can get their mind fixed. Can I compete in the special Olympics because I think I'm handicapped

Williams28Jao · Answer

Trans women aren’t women. They are men playing dress up. So in normal terms no I do not think men should compete in a womens sport. And we are a society where we don’t help those type of people that do indeed need help. It’s not right we are not doing anything to help these people out. And yet when we call them out they get super pissed off because someone people don’t believe in them they get offended what’s new there? Everyone gets offended now a days. It’s pretty pathetic.

JamesDiaz11 · Answer

It's sad that your overblown sense of compassion would sacrifice thousands of women in sports feeling of worth, with one mentally-ill individual's comfort.

No, mentally ill men who think they're women should not compete in women's sports.

AviatorTom · Answer

I'm with Boris. It's physically unfair for a transgender woman to compete against women. Their "male" bodies give them an unfair advantage. Sports bodies are developing policies where the transgender woman has to be so many years of hormone therapy in order to compete. I'd like to see scientific evidence of that.

Sevenpointfive · Answer

i think it depends on the athletes capabilities at that point. they are paid for by clubs and owners so it shouldn't matter. i don't think they should compete in the olympics. i guess we could assume that at some point women's teams could become nothing more than transexuals, but women should have a say in the matter

crossdressingrihno · Answer

There would be death
People will die
If you're into people dying over a game then sure go ahead let it happen
But I have to conscientiously object because again people would die and I just can't agree with that

SomeGuyCalledTom · Answer

"I feel X, therefore Y" isn't a good basis for deciding public policy. Transgenders may not like it, but women have to protect their own interests. I'm amazed that feminists are the ones actually pushing for biological males to invade women's sports.

boggboss · Answer

Yet every time they do they tend to dominate the events they are in there is a reason we separate the biological sex in sports because we understand there is a difference

StrawberryShake · Answer

It literally isn't fair if they didn't start hormone blockers at a young age... why do you think they dominate the women's sports teams? You're either a retard or you hate women if you think this is in any way remotely fair.
I support trans people, they should get their own trans team.

bolverk · Answer

It is not fair to women in any sport if they are having to compete against transgender M to F if those trans women have gone through male puberty, as their bones will be denser, the muscle attachment points and the muscle groups will be stronger even if they have been on testosterone blockers.
The only way it would be fair is if transgender athletes M to F and F to M had their own divisions it each sport to compete in.

crmoore · Answer

No, I don't support it. It's really unfortunate, as of now there's no place for them to go as of now, but I simply don't support unfairly displacing females and their opportunities/careers because a male transitioned (and still retained some of the benefits they developed).

Anonymous · Answer

No, we can't bring down a entire group of people just to please the feelings of a few. Men and women are physically different and no amount of hormones can make a transwoman physically equal to bio women. We have special Olympics for physically/mentally disabled people, so I don't see why we can't have special sports leagues for trans people. On a side note for anyone who disagrees, please explain why we always see transwomen competing in women's sports but almost never transmen in men's sports.

HotPinkDominatrxSlut · Answer

If trans people want to play sports they should create their own sports. They shouldn't be competing against biological women or biological men.

TallAnon · Answer

Have a look here, they definitely have a huge competitive advantage, so I think they should have their own category if anything.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

No. Any women training and sacrificing to prepare to win a competition is wasting their damn time.

Male biology from a physical standpoint is stronger than a woman.

Women have almost a zero chance of winning competing against a biological male.

Damn trannies can f*** off with their stupidity and delusion.

And it's time for biological women to start protesting this injustice in their sport.

RealMarek · Answer

Seeing the biological women get crushed by trans women is pathetic. If trans women in women’s sports is normalized, there will be very few biological women left in women’s sports.

lrina · Answer

i think it'd be best to create an entirely different section just for trans people. that'd definitely solve the problem.

Kaneki05 · Answer

I don't believe in separation of the genders anyway. Just let everyone fight and let the best woman or man win.

LikeALog · Answer

I'm just waiting for a women's team to be comprised of all trans. I wonder what comments will be made when it wins the women's national championship.

TheMajesticKing777 · Answer

Where it draws the line is that they are mixing with other genders like they are actually biologically that gender which is just wrong and unfair

Miristheiss · Answer

Only within a TRANS only division.  Not competing head to head with biological girls. That is unjust.

weysally · Answer

they should be allowed to compete in sport, but only with or against other trans people

FinalFantasyBro · Answer

I believe that trans women and trans men should have their own separate events so everything gets balance out, transmen are at a huge disadvantage against biological men while trans women are at a huge advantage against biological female.

Surely · Answer

If women are going to spend the time training to only be beaten by a man pretending to be a woman. Why should they even compete?

gabby100 · Answer

I think he has a point. But i would think he has more important things to deal with than this. But by saying what he has said he is stopping trans athletes taking part..

Avicenna · Answer

No way should they be competing in womens Sports. They are biological men.

Squaresquirrel · Answer

I don't agree at all. First time in my life I agree with Boris. Miracles can happen 🤣 Trans people should have their own category. Trans men/Trans women.

TheUniqueOne96 · Answer

I'm not against them competing all together, just not with biological woman.

Andres77 · Answer

I think "like vs like" is fair. The swimming at college level is a perfect example of how unfair it is to women.

Cubus · Answer

You know that people are born as men and have men's physique would have a natural advantage and get better results than women? It would not be fair for women as they would not stand a chance.

motownplayer2000 · Answer

Not at all. They are still biologically men. Even If they had the full i still consider that they are stilll built that way and can be at a much stronger advantage than women

Iron_Man · Answer

It’s not fair to have a Bruce Jenner competing in the Olympics as a woman in his prime they should be banned. How fair is it to have a trans person wrestling a woman or boxing her in the Olympics?

Mamaganja · Answer

Compete in sports with your assigned gender at birth, period.

IveGotNoName · Answer

It wouldn't be fair to the other women. They are biologically born male, meaning they have all the physical privileges of being male. It's got nothing to do with the fact that they see themselves as female. It's simply unfair on a scientific level.

Kiss_Me · Answer

Hell No. Just because someone has a mental illness is no excuse to allow them to compete against the opposite gender.

Dargil · Answer

We need strict restrictions to XX and XY sports with no overlap.

Okkiedokie45 · Answer

It'd not fair on female born athletes. I'm sure they have had previous training as a male which means more testosterone

SmokinAces2000 · Answer

I feel like if there is so much controversy maybe there should be a separate division for trans athletes

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