Do you support transwomen in female sports?

[Missgingles]

Yes (it's transphobic not too)

No (it's unfair no matter the hormonal treatment)

Updates

+1 y

I have an intressting conversation with @Sabretooth.

Do y'll think that if a 12 year old that practice every day for 5 years (started when 7) in boxing could beat a 22 year old male who doesn't train?

I say no he said logic says yes. I'd like to hear your opinions on it.

I'm simply asking out of intresst. Pleace stay respectful in the comments!

Thankyou!

[Kiran_Yagami]

I wholly support trans people in sports. Why? Because women basically beat men, and society as a whole, over the head with the whole LGBTQIA+ narrative for nearly two decades. Now they have created a monster that they can't stop and that intends to eat them alive, and I just can't be bothered to give a damn. No male athlete will ever fear a trans man in their sport. Trans men can enter men's sports to their heart's content. It will change nothing and go unnoticed. Trans women, on the other hand, is different matter entirely, but it's not one that can hurt me. I don't intend to enter women's sports, although hilariously, I now could if I wanted too, so trans women doing their thing in the women's arena can't even touch me. I don't even watch women's sports, with rare exceptions. This monster born of the LGBT movement has no teeth when it comes to men. Our bathrooms are safe, our sports are unaffected, and our shower rooms are unravished. I don't even have to use their pronouns. I'll just refer to everyone by name.

[Missgingles]

Great explained!

[Meatunnel69]

The way I see it is if a female trans’d into a man she should be allowed to compete against men but if a man trans’d into a woman he should NOT be allowed to compete against women. Women are not built the same as men on average putting them at a huge disadvantage in some sports. For fun sure but when money/scholarships/careers are on the line it is ludicrous to allow a grown ass man to stomp all over the women and claim he is the winner…

[rabbitzzz]

Are you telling women are weaklings 😂

[WizzardGirl]

So we should put transmen i MMA with real men?
Think"his" bones can resisite a natual male hit?

[Meatunnel69]

@rabbitzzz yes they are weaker physically on average but there are exceptions obviously some men are weak and skrawny and some women are body builders

[CubsterShura]

I won't state whether it is transphobic or not to exclude trans women from women's sports, but I think people should know that what happens when trans women are indeed excluded. To do this every female athlete has to go through the humiliating and traumatizing process of having to show their genitals and test their chromosomes, and that is the time when many of them find out they have always had XY chromosomes and even internal testicles that they were unaware of because they were entirely born and raised as women and nothing was particularly male about them, exposing the complexity of sex.

[fictionalmen1]

In my opinion there shouldn’t be ‘male’ or ‘female’ sports but there should be measures of hormones to test what one you fit into hence some women (that are women biological) could be put into the male category and so on.

[globetrotter22]

Is this what they are teaching you in school now?

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

@globetrotter22 Yeah noob

[globetrotter22]

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO i didn’t ask you that question noob.

[BlueScorpio]

That's what male and female sport is, a category. My God these damn schools...

[Guy__]

I could take hormone blockers right before the testing...

[globetrotter22]

This is what they should be teaching you ALL in school (but probably be removed from biology books Orwellian ).

The very grown and developed muscle fibers of born male vs a female bodies have are NOT identical from a biological analysis. It does NOT matter if they are exact same size. Born men have more cross sectional area i. e. more fibers in the same sized muscle itself.

So if the man and women are the exact same size, same lean muscle mass, same fat percentage and SAME hormones (adjusted in adulthood) the male will almost always be inherently stronger. The additional cross muscle fibers exert more force despite changes in hormones. No amount of surgical operations or hormonal treatment will ever change that.

Sadly (and insanely) that inconvenient HARD FACT is going to fall on deaf ears on many of the so called “party of science” group.

But here’s the medical study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO @BlueScorpio @guy @fictionalmen1

[Guy__]

No shit, it's just so obvious. That's what I meant in my other reply 40 minutes ago that the spine, hips, shoulders, arm bones (and more) grow according to chromosomes EVEN IF hormones are controlled throughout childhood.

[Kingofkings1992]

Good god almighty 🤦‍♂️

[Sandeeppingping]

Yes and no, objectively no it's simply not fair but most importantly it's a bunch of men competing against women, subjectively yes only in case all my life plans go to shit, I'll just move to California identity as a woman and beat everyone at literally everything, if they don't buy into my identification, which I find extremely offensive, my only hope would be to do that, but let's hope by then they'd have lost the residue the 0.5% common sense they still have and actually just take my word for it

[Sandeeppingping]

That's as I've said a last resort, I'd rob a bank first, but I don't see either happening since that my child trafficking business if going great, well maybe I'll rob a bank if I'm bored, I would do that

[Sandeeppingping]

Is going*

[Missgingles]

So in the end its a no from you?

[MementoMori_]

Having men compete in womens' sports is just one of the many manifestations of the sick culture of wokeism that is destroying the fabric of American life.

There are two genders and only two genders of human beings: male and female.

And it is impossible to change your gender because every cell in your body has the DNA of the gender you were born with.

You have a right to imagine you are whatever gender you want. I'm fine with that. But you have no right to force other people to engage in your fantasy with you. That's their business not yours.

[genericname85]

only an ignorant moron would support this nonsense. if a person decides to get a hormonal treatment that gives them a disadvantage at competetive sports, that's their decision. nobody forces them to compete in a sport. they can't just force the other genders entire sport branche to accomodate for their decision to take hormonal treatment. you may feel like the other gender but injecting hormones into your body doesn't make you the other gender. if you have to cope with that reality instead of making others cope with your delusion.

[southernqueen617]

No that is one of the dumbest things I think that has ever happened. Thank goodness my good for nothing governor finally did something so that would stop. Men could go from being last in men's swimming to being at the top of women's side. Plus what about the women who have worked their life for swim and get beat by a guy!

[TonightYouu]

Transphobe🙄

[MCheetah]

Nope. They're biological men. I'm not falling for the Clown World insanity. I'd rather be called "transphobic" than an idiot living outside of objective reality and science. What sane person ISN'T called "transphobic" nowadays like the pointless buzzword it is?

[Kerrim23]

No. Women and men are naturally built different. There are different averages on muscle mass, fat mass, and hormones. There should be a trans division.

I'm a supporter of the fact that if you want to change yourself, go for it. But you can't steal medals, scholarships, and titles from biological women.

[TonightYouu]

You’re not a real supporter you’re a bigoted POS trans women are women

[Miristheiss]

@TonightYouu
Trans women are TRANS women.

[BlueScorpio]

No, they're biological males and nothing will change that. They already have an advantage since they maturally have more testosterone and muscle mass than women. They need their own league where transwomen and transmen can compete against one another in a fair game/match.

Its crazy how lost and confused this world has gotten. Just pure and willful delusion at this point.

[TonightYouu]

This is just pure ignorance if you’re not an ally to trans people keep your opinions to yourself

[BlueScorpio]

@TonightYouu I'm allow to speak my mind and opinions freely without you or anyone else's permission. If You don't like it, then feel free to stay off the internet or better yet, stay in your house/box forever where you'll never have to worry about people disagreeing with you or your opinions ever again. If i have to remain silent, then so do you. You ain't God and your certainly ain't the opinion/thought police. Have a good day.

[TonightYouu]

Woah dude chill I was just trolling sensitive much geez🙄😂

[BlueScorpio]

@TonightYouu dude how am I suppose to know you're joking over the internet? You didn't put anything that signified you're joking or being sarcastic? It's easier to pick up in person.

[TonightYouu]

I’m just repeating stuff I hear SJW extremists say of course men shouldn’t compete against women especially in contact sports women have very small necks we’re gonna end up kill One of you and I hate truly hate that that is probably what it is gonna take a woman is going to have to die from competing against a man before people wake up and thats tragic it’s senseless violence that can be prevented with common sense

[BlueScorpio]

@TonightYouu yea it could happen, one punch is enough to kill a man or woman.

[TonightYouu]

@BlueScorpio for a man fighting a woman then yes it is

[OlderAndWiser]

Sex change boys competing against girls is a stupid idea! The only people who would support this idea are the mindless sheep of the woke crowd.
https://i.gifer.com/4JFG.gif

[D_Bone_Steak]

Look at the poll right... There is literally a minority of people that somehow gets this bullshit pushed onto the rest of us. Is anyone else thinking gas chambers? So the Liberals will lose some votes at first, at least that party might normalize afterward. Less ideology and more concrete values. Or we can keep going until we enjoy all the wonderfulness that North Korea has to offer. So much ideology you won't even be allowed to disagree.

[Guy__]

No, it's the conservatives who are the minority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smN3WPJBCDg

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Guy__ I wanna say hell no! I mean online you obviously can see who all agrees! But that's just it all these people that probably vote are voters that watch the mind numbing bullshit on a television set that gets brain washed. I watched Hunter Biden fuck tons of hookers... like no shit just stright up watched the shit. These mother fuckers... still think it's Russion disinformation.

[Guy__]

Anyway my question is hidden and under review at the moment... but it's also being archived at the moment... https://archive.ph/V0bEy

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Guy__ Classic move by them. Jesuz...

[Sabretooth]

Are we talking about those still early in their transition, or those who've transitioned early on? Though, honestly, this is all rooted in sexism... Search for the laws and rules for tran MEN... Though, we'll all be dead before you can find em.

[Missgingles]

Could you develop on why you see it as sexism?

[Sabretooth]

As I alluded to--there are no rules or laws against trans men playing men's sports.

[Missgingles]

Dont you think there is a reason behind that? Or no?

[Missgingles]

Maybe because they are biological women so they have an unfair advantage? Kidna like a child identifying as an adult (transman) fighting adults is okay but an adult identifying as a child (transwoman) fighting other kids wouldn't be okay?

Or you think its simple sexism? No biological reasons so only because they identify as a woman not a man?:)

[Sabretooth]

I'm saying trans men CAN play on men's sports.

[Missgingles]

Yes ofcorse they can. isn't there a logic behind that other than sexism?

I mean they are biological women (transmen) right? So they have an infair advantage just like a child who identifies as an adult would?

[Sabretooth]

has does a trans man have an unfair advantage against cis men?

[Missgingles]

Because they are still biological women. They are born with less blood flow, smaller lungs, (less oxygen), smaller bones, and 2x harder to build muscles.

[Missgingles]

Taking testosterone in one year doesn't change any of that. And when someone with XY chromosone take estrogen there bonus get stronger but if someone with XX chromosone take estrogen there boobs grows etc

[Sabretooth]

can you spot the difference: www.biography.com/.../gettyimages-542877731.webp www.biography.com/.../gettyimages-542877731.webp ?

[Missgingles]

You sent the same picture twice lol🤣

[Sabretooth]

yeah... issues with links.

[Missgingles]

Yeah the second one was born with a vagina. He is has smaller lugns, less blood flow, smaller bones etc. No amount of hormoens can change that.

[Sabretooth]

check this out: www.insidehook.com/.../trans-athletes-win-boys-sports

[Missgingles]

A biological man beating biological women is easy. Ofcorse there are very very rare cases where a biological women beats a man but thats when the biological woman has either much more experince or the biological man sucks. Its like a child beating an adult. Ofcorse a 12 year old could beat an 20 year old but its very rare.

These levels of hormones have been measured in transwoman at Karolinska by actual doctors and scientists and it shows there is about 1% difference after one year (which is clearly not enough)

[Sabretooth]

One study says that it's inconclusive due to a lack of evidence. But the question remains that why can trans men play in male sports but trans women can't play in female sports?

[Missgingles]

I already answered you that twice. If you look back in the conversation

[Missgingles]

And there is evidance by Karolinska Institution already

[Sabretooth]

It's a a double standard.

[Sabretooth]

Ignore the double a... Typing on my phone.

[Missgingles]

Its really not.

Would you be more okay with a child identifying as an adult competing against adults or a grown adult identifying as a child competing against other kids?

Thats the question

[Sabretooth]

The difference being what, exactly?

[Missgingles]

Biology

Lets say a 12 year old that identifies as 22 wants to box another 22 year old.

And another 22 year old idenifies as 12 and wants to box other 12 year old.

Do you think they are both being fair? If so how?:)

[Sabretooth]

No for both.

[Missgingles]

Why no to both?

[Sabretooth]

it stands to reason that the adult would have have trained more and has more experience. there's no equalizer for that.

[Missgingles]

Yes but not only that. Even if the 12 year old trained every day for 5 years (From the age of 7) and the adult never trains. The adult would still win right?

[Sabretooth]

unlikely. common sense would indicate that the child would win... though, in my experience--there's only one calculation you need to go by; 0.01%... anything else and you risk defeating yourself before the battle even begins. the most pathetic individual can be the greatest threat.

[Missgingles]

No thats where you are wrong. If you would compete against a 12 year old you would win. No matter the experience level

[Sabretooth]

that's sheer arrogance... the key to a humiliating defeat... the kind I've suffered far to many of.

[Missgingles]

Its biology

[Sabretooth]

my mother nearly crushed my father's windpipe. he had my dresser up against my door after a fight. there was a pretty good height and weight difference between them... and it was not on her side.

[Missgingles]

Then he let that happened. Many men choose to not fight back against women full out cause they know it could kill them if they go all in

[Sabretooth]

I wonder if you'd put money on that. I don't that would matter if one's life is threatened.

[Missgingles]

I mean the bioloical man would win 90% of the time

[Sabretooth]

one of if not the most important lesson one can learn in life is to always look underneath the underneath.

[Sabretooth]

such a positive estimation can offer a false sense of security.

[Missgingles]

Its not positive its science. Just like earth is round and not flat

[Sabretooth]

what does the wise man know? everything? or, nothing?

[Missgingles]

Nobody knows everything. But you could still know a lot but running away from science into fantasyland doesn't help anyone

[Sabretooth]

the wise man knows nothing but is always seeking. science is not always correct... as you've already stated.

[Missgingles]

Science is correct actually.
Science is by definition is all based on evidance. So Science is correct.

And a wise man knows nothing is not true. Even as young as 1 year old we are aware of stuff. The wise men just knows he can learn more

[Sabretooth]

you've a lot to learn. don't forgot... we used to think that the world was flat.

[Missgingles]

They didn't have evidance to back that up back then we have evidance between the sexes now tho

[Sabretooth]

learn to be more adaptive. you're either a warrior... or, you're a causality.

[Missgingles]

Adaptive to something that has proven to be false? No thanks. I rather stick to evidance

[Missgingles]

I respect your opinion. If you dont wanna believe in facts then thats okay. I wanna stick to reality tho.

Thanks for commenting!😊

[Sabretooth]

life can be very cruel to those who can't adopt. and you may not always have that choice.

[Sabretooth]

that just highlighted your own ignorance with a blowhorn attached to it.

[more_than_a_guy]

Came from the update, I don't think she can win, the male is more powerful and has more reach. She has the technique, but still at 12 she isn't at peak and she is much smaller.

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy size isn't always an advantage... nor, is power... not to a wiser opponent.

[more_than_a_guy]

To an extend, the difference is too big, and she isn't used to fight people his size nor it will be easy doe to height. A face knockout (if she is strong enough) is still high for her to reach

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy so you attack his mind.

[more_than_a_guy]

How can a 12 yo do that in a straight up fight?

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy kids can be cruel... especially a little girl.

[more_than_a_guy]

I have read you arguments against the asker, you are talking without logic here. For every counter argument against you, you talk about irrelevant topics and not making a full case.

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy that's your opinion. I come from experiences that are clearly different from either of you.

[Sabretooth]

We live in a world with many unknown variables.

[more_than_a_guy]

A rare specific case isn't the indicator for the whole majority.

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy you can never truly know that. it would be foolish to ignore such a possibility. casting such doubt will only piss them off and drive them to prove you wrong... you never doubt the underdog.

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy certainly people only thrive in adversity... those who don't know much else.

[Missgingles]

@more_than_a_guy dont waste your time with him. He doesn't believe in science and logic. It won't go anywhere.

Still thank you for answering😊

[Sabretooth]

incorrect. I'm adaptable.

[Sabretooth]

my mother and her sisters were raped an abused as children. my mother protected and the mother that chose money over their safety. both her and my oldest aunt ended up falling off the deep end and fought like hell to fix their lives will dealing with a mother who only sought to control and manipulate to further her own selfish ends. my mother broke the cycle of choosing a man over her child. they couldn't afford to think like you do.

[more_than_a_guy]

There is no point to argue with a person who denies basic scientific facts. This will lead to nowhere.

[more_than_a_guy]

@missgingles you are right

[Missgingles]

@more_than_a_guy :)

[Sabretooth]

you two sound like you come from lives of privilege... enjoy it while it lasts.

[more_than_a_guy]

Wrong, we are just educated

[more_than_a_guy]

With basic logic

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy sound ignorant to me.. weak, unadaptable and ignorant.

[Sabretooth]

@more_than_a_guy keep up or fade out.

[Sabretooth]

this could be the two of you someday: invisiblepeople.tv/.../

[KittyBox]

In this case, I believe that trans women, are men, because they were at some point biologically male, and it would be an unfair advantage in a seemingly fair event, all this does is brings unnecessary drama, that has no right being there in the first place, you can call yourself your preferred gender all you like, and it's fine in a social environment, but in cases like this, it isn't.

That's life.

[ODC2112]

It is not a problem of transphobia or not it is a question of physical development.

It depends on whether the treatment is pre-adolescent or post-adolescent development. If the treatment is pre-adolescent, the transsexual subject did not have the testosterone to develop the muscles. On the contrary, the subject is physically a man.

This is true for both men and women. If transsexuals f-> m have undergone pre-adolescent treatments, we can consider them men, otherwise they remain physically women.

[Berethor]

Transwomen are not real women, they have most of advantages that men have.

[Berethor]

As for the update, it's the gift trope, men are stronger by default and have greater potential.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Transgender_people_in_sports

[Missgingles]

So you are saying the adult male would win against the 12 year old?:)

[Berethor]

Most likely so, by raw power, the man so much stronger even without being skilled.

[Missgingles]

Cool! Thanksvfor answering the update:)

[Berethor]

No problem, and south park have a good video about this topic. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

[Missgingles]

I love south park!😅

Great video!

[USLegionary]

Why do transmen not compete and succeed in male sports the way transwomen do in women's sports? If you can honestly answer that question you will understand why it's not right for trans women to compete in women's sports.

[Qdbrown]

I think the idea is absurd. But now we live in this age that we want to force equality on people. This is what it looks like.

I am still shocked that there are women who really believe any woman can be conditioned to be more athletic than a man. This whole dumpster fire forces them to take on reality.

[Anonymous]

I have to say no, biologically men and women are different and no amount of hormones or surgeries can change that completely. You can't throw a group of people to the side just so the feelings of a few don't get hurt. We have special Olympics for people who are physically and mentally handicapped, so I see no reason we can't have special Olympics/sports for people who are transgendered. For those who disagree about hormones and surgeries not changing one's physical traits completely, then explain to me why you never see transmen competing in men's sports.

[Cherry234]

I don't support it. There should either be a trans division for trans athletes or transwomen should be allowed to compete with men. I don't want their right to compete to be taken away but I really don't agree with transwomen competing with biological women. If some people think that's homophobic then so be it. I'm thinking with logic on this issue.

[Anonymous]

The trans community is in awkward position here.

Because for one thing, we're talking about spaces separated by SEX, not gender identity.

And secondly, there is a risk that certain [biological] men will "transition" to enter these spaces JUST to prey on women. I don't know how this will be regulated without the fear of being called transphobic.

Then we are left wondering how we allowed women to be oppressed by men once again.

[007kingifrit]

no, no amount of hormone therapy will make them real women. the bone structure of men is stronger than women's, and the wider hips of women makes them less aerodynamic. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3

[Becky316]

I'm sorry you have to come to my sport and compete against me thinking I'm weaker. If you can't win in your own, then don't come looking for support from me. This bitch ain't in the mood!

[TonightYouu]

Trans people die because of people like you spreading hate

[Becky316]

Then put on your big bitch panties and deal with it

[TonightYouu]

You’re disgusting you’re the problem with society what are you jealous than trans women are more of a woman than you little girl

[Becky316]

Why would I be jealous, can you get pregnant!!! Do that, then talk!

[TonightYouu]

It’s sad that that is how you validate yourself

[TonightYouu]

Just a baby machine…smh

[worldscolide]

No, Its cheating and theft from natural born women. Not kidding. They lose scholarship opportunities and other things because men choose to transition and steal their records, victories and opportunities.

What really pisses me off. the one area of women activism, Feminism Supports this stupidity. Why do you think they have been so silent on the issue. Silence = support.

Sorry, if you're born male. You can never, ever be a real woman. #whatisawoman

[andreasderjuengere]

I don't care at all.

''Sports'' is something 'you' do for recreation.

Once it's commercialized... it's not longer about 'sports'.

[andreasderjuengere]

The update is interesting :)
I would expect that a 12 y/o guy isn't fully grown yet, and so I may have an advantage through better ''reach''.
Also: the youngster will not expect that after 58 years on the planet I know some vicious and unfair methods to keep him in check.
''Boxing'' is violence to me -- not ''sports'' ... and so I will ignore 'the Rules' :D

[Missgingles]

Lol I see! So you would win against the 12 year old?

[andreasderjuengere]

I expect it, yes. Not so long ago I was 12 myself - and I had been brainwashed into believing that there are ''rules'' in this world, and when you play by them, you will succeed.
One broken nose, or a kick in the groin will cure anyone from believing such garbage.
I won't ever attack first. But when you begin a war with a (North) German - you will see ''total war'' in response. Well... if that German was born before 1980, that is :D

[Missgingles]

I see haha😃
Great explained! Thank you!

[JessicaEarl]

I haven’t met a person that supports this that actually participated in sports and understands how they work

[Guy13]

Even the Leftists and Feminist get pissed off when you mess with their DAUGHTER’S SPORTS ⚽️ 🏊‍♂️ 📣 TEAMS. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[jshm2]

No more than I support transmen getting pummelled in male sports.

Being trans in sport is cheating. There should be a separate event for these things.

[Literalbillionaire17]

No. I’m sorry but no.


I totally support the LGBTQIA+ but not in womens sports.


Women have worked so hard to even be recognized in sports and now they’re losing to women who were not born biological women.

[Lookingforthetruth]

then you don't support the LGBTQIA+

[Literalbillionaire17]

Yes I do support. You can support something and not agree with every single thing that goes on.

[Lookingforthetruth]

that doesn't make sense.

[Guanfei]

Men*

And of course not, why would you want to rob women who trained hard by putting them up against men? They'll be stuck in second and third place, that is if there aren't more than one dude participating, in which case no woman would be on the podium.

Progressists went so far that now sacrificing women isn't even a problem for them.

[FunkyMonkee]

IF they are COMPLETELY trans, to the point where you can't even tell, then, MAYBE it'd be fair! Otherwise, I think the trans people should have their own section (s) to compete in.

[globetrotter22]

Male sex hormones and testosterone impacts almost everything including bone density, muscle development, etc. Men will almost always have an advantage no matter what surgeries/hormones they take later.

[FunkyMonkee]

@globetrotter22 Maybe but I've seen a number of them that look so much like real girls you'd never know the difference.
That GUY that won that swim meet should NOT have been allowed to swim it!!

[globetrotter22]

Looks don’t matter. DNA and muscle composition does.

[FunkyMonkee]

@globetrotter22 I'm not saying looks matter, I'm talking about their physique. If they're just as "weak" as natural born girls, they should be allowed to compete as girls. But, what's to stop ANY girl from being just as muscle-bound as any guy? Would a girl that was at least as strong as that guy that won fair any worse than him?

[globetrotter22]

I read some of your other comments and I know you are typically a rational guy. So please read the below study.

Male lean muscle mass (same size) is literally constructed differently than females.

If could compare two identical bodies with exact same lean muscle mass where one was XY for male DNA and the other is XX for females the male would be inherently stronger due to more cross muscle fibers even though the they have the EXACT same lean muscle mass. Male muscles could be the exact same size of female muscles but ours are more fiber dense and contract more force. No amount of hormonal treatment will ever change that.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/

[FunkyMonkee]

@globetrotter22 Thanks, I try to be.
Bottom line: it's perfectly fine with me if they don't let trans women compete in women's sports for whatever reason No skin off of MY nose. All I'm saying is that I've seen trans women that look 100% female and would even fool me, even though I've got a number of trans friends and know what to look out for to tell if they are or aren't trans.

[TonightYouu]

Let’s just make a trans league so WNBA can feel superior for once

[TonightYouu]

@missgingles as for the update FUCK NO he couldn’t a 12 year old lacks the raw physical power I had this conversation with someone else and apparently there are people who think that skill beats raw power and it may bridge the gap but it’ll only get you so far

[Missgingles]

Alright! Cool!

Thankyou for answering the update!😊

[HaveNoName]

Tbey already had a TransOlympic. THAT is where they belong.

[HaveNoName]

To your "Update": The point is not who can beat who. What is critical is NOT to make something demented and a mental sickness into something normal. They make a choice, let them face the consequences.

[Missgingles]

Alright I see.

Thanks for commenting:)

[HaveNoName]

My pleasure :)

by the way... make --> made (typo)

[Missgingles]

😊👍🏻

[LimitedBenefits101]

Yes since feminist think men and women are physically equal

[Missgingles]

Are you a feminist?:)

[LimitedBenefits101]

what? dont compare me to that cancer group🤮🤮

[Missgingles]

Lol just asked.. i'm not a feminist either🤣

[LimitedBenefits101]

lol 12 year old beating a grown man? pass the smoke.

[Jenny-Marie]

Equality isn't a one way street. I support a person's choice to identify as any gender and to take treatment to achieve their aim. Any treatment after puberty will not change fully change the body, so competing in a sport may well mean equality to the transgendered athlete but it means they compete with an unfair advantage, so surely, the female athletes are not being treated equally. Hormones are prohibited in sport and likewise so should transgendered athletes be prohibited.

[TheUniqueOne96]

No.

I think it's an insult to all female pro athletes.

[TroyDT]

No. And feminists should not either. What is the point of equal rights for women if any man can simply "identify" as a woman at any time?

[Anonymous]

It's so fucking stupid it defies all reason. But here we are!

[Opinion Owner]

@update: it quite obviously depends on the particular girl and the particular guy. Of COURSE there will be some girls who if trained could beat some guys. But the reverse will also be true. It's not a terribly interesting question either way though as it doesn't in any way generalize to how one should go about setting rules for competitive sports.

[Missgingles]

Alright thankyou for sharing!:)

[Opinion Owner]

Any time!

[kellytheman]

Guys should compete against guys even though they are transgender same with woman. If transgender man played against women he might be dominant like softball or hockey.

[joeldalton]

I do not support men pretending to be women and competing in sports against real women so that they can win competitions.

[Jenny-Marie]

It's not a case of pretending to be real women, it is a case of having changed gender, does the body lose the male advantage. Tests say no, so that should be the guiding principle.

[joeldalton]

@Jenny-Marie it's 100% pretending to be a real woman. Trans'women' are men. They will never be women. And no they do not lose their male advantage. How else does a mediocre swimmer as a male suddenly dominate when he claims he's a woman and competes with biological women?

[Jenny-Marie]

Transwomen are women, but regardless of hormones and operations, they still have an advantage over non-trans.

[joeldalton]

@Jenny-Marie They are not women. They don't have vaginas. They don't have XX chromosomes. They are not female. They do not have women's reproductive organs.

[Jenny-Marie]

Our opinions obviously greatly differ.

[joeldalton]

@Jenny-Marie Right. Mine is reality.

[Guy__]

What about humerus bone (arm) length, hip and shoulder width... why is everybody obsessed with hormones?

Oh wait, they are not obsessed with them, they're just trying to make a point or benefit from them, but ignore them when we discuss endocrine disrupting chemicals in our food and water...

[Jenny-Marie]

@Guy__ it isn't a case of "obsession with hormones". It is a case that post puberty treatment can only remove male physical attributes to an extent. For example, a vagina is possible but childbirth isn't. Muscle mass will be reduced but not to cisgender levels. As you say, it can't change bone size. That is no reason to belittle the transgendered, but we just need to realise that the more masculine physical attributes make it unfair to compete with naturally born women.

[joeldalton]

@Jenny-Marie lmao. turning a dude’s dick inside out doesn’t make it a vagina. It makes it a festering wound.

[Guy__]

And what joel dalton just said is not hate speech... most of those who have done so, heard it they are not satisfied with the results. That's why michelle Obama prefers to keep his convex.

[more_than_a_guy]

Even if the testosterone level are "right", there are still benefits from puberty: body/limbs proportions, larger heart, larger lungs, more dense bones, more muscle fibers etc...

[Dargil]

He'll no. It took decades for women (with vaginas) to secure equal opportunities only to have women's sports contaminated by sexual deviants

[Miristheiss]

Absolutely not!

They are NOT women. They are TRANS women. Unfair to women. Make a trans division.

[WizzardGirl]

Fuck No

The body is still male... all the loser in male categories go to females once to win

Fuc**ng shame

Absolutely No

[TonightYouu]

Maybe the girls should try harder

[WizzardGirl]

@TonightYouu maybe boyse sholt play again their equals in body shaoe and not chose weaker opponent
Like nasty pussies

[TonightYouu]

Maybe the girls shouldn’t be bigoted assholes

[WizzardGirl]

@TonightYouu we are not, you are way more of a biggot

[TonightYouu]

You’re the one oppressing trans people with hate speech trans women are women end of discussion

[TonyMetal___86]

Chose b, in my mind there is only a man and a woman!

[dolemite89]

no i don’t support biological males in female sports

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Everyone has the right to enjoy to participate in any kind of sports.

[Anonymous]

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOI

Thats the reason I’m moving to another country. I’m moving to Israel or somewhere where those clowns are burned alive

[es20490446e]

It ruins the purpose of having different categories for different genders.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Absolutely not. It's not fair to biological women who have to sacrifice and practice hard just to be at a disadvantage in competition they most likely are going to lose to a biological man.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Do you support motorcyclists identifying themselves as bikers entering a bike race with their motorcycles?

[Anonymous]

If she's a woman why would she need a supporter?🤣

[Opinion Owner]

I think a lot of it would come down to build, Arm reach, etc.

[Jamesshinobi]

yes. but not because of Transphobia, i just love watching woman suffer for their decisions. y'all voted for this. for decades.

[Blackcosmo]

Nope.

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

Blackcosmo... Do you grant wishes?

[Blackcosmo]

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO Um depends...

[Blackcosmo]

To answer the update, a well trained 12 year old could maybe beat an untrained 22 year old. I guess it would be a maybe maybe.

[Missgingles]

Intressting answer! Thanks for sharing😊

[Blackcosmo]

No problem!

[SmokinAces2000]

At this point I feel like to please everyone they should just make a trans division

[Anonymous]

Of course not. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could support it.

[grega239]

Absolutely. Diversity is our strength. Trans wahmen are real wahmen.

[Kingofkings1992]

Of course not, because I’m not mentally ill

[jimmy2]

It's unfair to the women just because he think he a female and has a dick he a guy

[Iron_Man]

No it’s not fair

[exitseven]

No, this has got to stop.

[Aerolyn]

I don't support it because I don't care about it.

[Anonymous]

I'm neutral I don't really care.

[globetrotter22]

Lots of people “didn’t care” about radical leftist initiatives and the left ultimately always wins.

Transwomen competing in women’s sports actually harms feminism.

[Sabretooth]

@globetrotter22 good! it's a toxic movement anyway... and only desperate incels support it.