Do you believe trans athletes should be allowed to compete against females?

[Anonymous]

Im picking no, I have a good friend he's gay and like 5ft 5 and skinny, He literally runs faster that all the girls in my school and he's slow compared to the male track runners.

Yes

no

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he looks like a girl too lol

[DaveJord]

100% discrimination against biologically born females... that is to say Trans Gender are not real women, not biologically, we can call them she, and her but we really know the deal. If they can't deal with being men and compete against real men, then they should not be allowed to unfairly compete against real women.

I am 100% in favor of Trans Genders competing against real men though... I just doubt you will see many of them in the Olympics. I guess Chris Jenner counts, but he was a real man competing against men not women, and if Caitlyn could of achieved the same feats then I say hell yes.

[jshm2]

Makes a mockery of sport and diversity.

Think of all those true women training for years to complete in sports. Only to have some guy, who only "identified" as a woman last month, to come and beat them in that sport.

Women just can't get a break. They broke the glass ceiling, only for guys to join their ranks to push them out the way there as well instead.

[sophiejo]

People saying no because of the genetic advantage... That's the whole point of sport, Micheal Phelps has freakishly long arms and a stupidly high lung capacity that's a massive genetic advantage in swimming. People like Eddie hall with his myostatin deficiency that allows him to build freakish amounts of muscle easier that a normal person can. Usain bolt has much longer legs that the average person of his height hence the stupid fast running. Sport is all about genetic advantages the only sports I could disagree is in contact sports like rugby however women's rugby is more brutal than men's

[grega239]

Phelps and bolt dont compete against women. They compete against men.

[sophiejo]

I know they were just the first examples I thought of, my point was the whole point of sport is having a genetic advantage to be a better competitor than the other people

[grega239]

Do you even understand the massive physical difference between men and women?

Yes there are slight differences between men and some men may be genetically gifted but segregating sports by gender is the best way to make it as fair as possible.

Women cannot compete with men.

Serena william was obliterated by a man who was ranked 200th.

Fallon fox, a trans woman, brutally beat 2 women in mma.

The trans woman who represenyed new Zealand at the Olympics broke every weightlifting record.

Its disgustingly unfair

[OneManOnly01]

NONE OF THOSE ADVANTAGES CAME FROM A SURGERY. ALL OF THEM ARE NATURAL BUT TRANS 'WOMEN' ARE NOT NATURAL.

[Anonymous]

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, the limited studies on this show transgender athletes might maintain a slight advantage even after hormone replacement. On the other hand, we aren’t really seeing transgender athletes dominate their sports, so I think further analysis is needed.

[kiki0101]

I am not against trans people but i voted no. Trans people mentally they assume they are opposite gender to their assigned gender. I believe regardless of what you are everyone deserves equal cerebral opportunities but when it comes to physical opportunities we have to stop and think. Biological assigned gender is not gonna change no matter how the person feels internally. No matter what hormone therapy you go through is not going to change your physical appearance dramatically. So, i feel when it comes to sports, we stick to biological male and female.

[DWornock]

If there is a significant number of trans athletes, their competing with females will not last. For example, if there is a significant number of trans athletes that compete in the Olympics and they win most of the medals in women's sports, the majority of people that watch women's sports in the Olympics will be unhappy. A large percentage will stop watching women sports and ticket sales and TV advertising will be greatly reduced.

In that case, since, money rules the world, trans athletes competing in women's sports will come to a screeching halt. However, if there is a very small number of trans athletes competing, for example, if less that 2 percent of all women's sporting events have trans athletes, than that will not a significant difference and it may continue.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You do realize trans athletes works both ways, right? Female to male transitioners exist.

Now if you are specifically referring to male to female transitioners, which for some reason seems to be an obsession on this site, I think if they have had a year of HRT then yeah it's fine.

[Msputiton]

You know what I find funny?
The small amount of interest this country has in female sports, until they let trans athletes in.
Now they are worried about the integrity of women's sport.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Yuuup.

The problem is they treat women like children. They do the same thing when it involves violent games or music or something else.

"We have to protect our youth. Why won't anyone think of the children?"

Yeah.. then a school shooting comes along and all those kids get is hopes and prayers and no action taken to actually protect them.

Same goes for women. They want to legislate our bodies in many different ways and couldn't care less what happens to us until something like this rolls around. Then it is all "the integrity of the game. This will kill the hopes and dreams of so many young women."

[jerdanro]

I've done some research on the topic. The reduction of bone and muscle density in trans women treated with HRT (~5%) doesn't put them on par with the average biological woman. Trans woman have a significant advantage in sports. I'm especially concerned about combat sports.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

On par, probably not, but they are also not walking in with cis male levels of strength either.

Ironically if puberty blockers in teens were more accepted and then let them transition with hormones when they come of age, you'd stop that advantage nearly completely.

[KellyKOO]

"but they are also not walking in with cis male levels of strength either." You need to do some research...

[Msputiton]

@ez-bri-z i think ya missed my point.

Everyone making the decisions or arguing for or against don't truly care about our sport.

Nobody once stopped and went how do the women who are actually competing against them feel.

Whatever happens we are the ones directly impacted by the outcome and nobody asked us for our input, nor seems to care.

How can anyone truly say they give af if it's fair for me to compete against a trans gender, if no one once said how do you and the rest of the atheltes feel.

It is once again people pushing their own agenda on both side with very little concern about anything other then who wins.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Kelly, perhaps you do.

@Msputiton thats the problem, isn't it? Some are perfectly fine and some are not. Is the idea that the whole league has to give their blessing before one person can join?

[KellyKOO]

Research has shown that transwomen after 2 years of HRT , retains 12% advantage over biological women ( females ) . You have not provided any evidence to prove that one year of HRT levels the playing field. You're making that up. By your logic someone like LeBron James can compete "fairly" in the WNBA if he goes on HRT for one year?

[Msputiton]

Not to me. I think because it impacts us so much, it should be our decision as a whole.
A vote, majority rules.
It's very easy to make a choice when it has no impact on their life.
But if something that impacts us like let us choose.
If we choose it's fair and it is a mistake at least it was us as whole who decided.

We should be allowed to know all the rules in place, know all the statistics to see how fair it is for us.

I mean there is stick rules in place with performance enhancing drugs. We are tested all the time, because they give us a slight advantage taking them, so i would want to see how this differs.

If that makes sense.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Kelly, thanks for proving my point. I never said it levels the playing field. I said they don't walk in with cis male levels of strength. I actually very specifically mentioned that using hormone blockers before puberty occurs would nearly eliminate it though.

@Msputiton ok thats one way of approaching it, but think of it this way. Would you find it fair to have your dream of playing basketball taken away by something completely out of your control like that? You say it has no impact on their life, but how would you feel if you couldn't play?

If a transwoman were to join and agreed to testing to make sure her T levels were within range, would that be enough for you or do you need more done from her end?

[Msputiton]

@KellyKOO see with you i do agree.

One on one i can take a non college level trained guy.
Put me against an equally trained college level male. I'm not taking him. They are bigger, they are stronger and faster.

The level of difference is significant.

We want everyone to be treated fairly but at this point you are taking the fairness from us.

At 5'5 107lbs do you think I'm able to physically keep up?

Lot of people don't realize how physical basketball is. It is a straight up contact sport, I'm thrown around enough by much bigger females as it is.

[Msputiton]

@ez-bri-z i get it.
How we are born impacts us one way or another. But i am born female playing in a league for females because we can't compete against males.
A person born a male has tough decisions to make in life. We all have tough decisions to make, and sometimes you have to choose what is more important to you. Being the gender you feel most comfortable with or playing the sport you love.

We aren't allowed to alter our bodies to keep up with them so if they made the decision to choose their gender they feel most comfortable with, that's a choice they made.

It's not like we are saying we just don't feel like playing with them. I mean look at the what happened with swimming, it's not enough all the other women who got demolished has to live with knowing all the hard work doesn't give them any chance.

Eventually teams will begin building all transgender teams knowing they will demolish us.

[KellyKOO]

"I said they don't walk in with cis male levels of strength"... No they walk in with 12% retain strength over their female counterparts which is a huge advantage because sports are decided by small margins. Furthermore testosterone isn't the only reason why men outperform women in sports. Their body mechanics, lung capacity, heart size, range of motion based on the fact that the male skeleton Structure is different from the female skeleton structure. None of which changes significantly after hormone treatment. There's a reason why we don't see transmen winning or competing at the highest level in men's sports , because the gap in performance between males and females is large.

I'm not going to debate, because the data and research is out there. Bye.

www.theguardian.com/.../study-suggests-ioc-adjustment-period-for-trans-women-may-be-too-short

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I get it completely. There is not an easy solution regardless. The idea of a separate league isn't feasible. There isn't that many transgender atheletes to be building out whole teams in every sport. That just isn't a thing.

You know me, I'm all about trying to include everyone, but I completely get your point.

[KellyKOO]

@Msputiton I agree with you. Best of luck 💓

[Msputiton]

It only takes 5. You think they can't put 5 transgender players as starters.

But a year is it enough? You think it is not enough for me or someone who only has 4 years to make it to the WNBA that someone won't outperform them on a guess, i have no problem if they can 100% say this is equal playing field. But if it's not, every female athlete has just been put at an disadvantage against someone they compete against because of a choice that person made, not one we made.

It one on one competition that is very impactful.

If they can get the levels down to below the advantages of performing enhancing drugs advantages, sure.

The reason the male to female is so controversial because going female to male isn't going to give a unfair advantage on a choice made by them.

Going male to female does.

I'm very sorry if this sounds rude not my intention.

But to me a transgender female athlete has the same advantages a female using performance enhancing drugs.

They are banned from the sport for a reason, and it's not just the damage the drugs causes the body, but the advantage given by the drugs as well.

We all seen stats from the steroid era of baseball. We all seen athletes busted for steroids and the difference once they are off of them.
It doesn't take much advantage for people to dominate, just a tip in the scales.

And like i said. I'm didn't chose to change my gender, a transgender did. So they should understand that out of the two what's fair in this situation.

[Msputiton]

@KellyKOO thanks.

But I'm steppin out of this convo, because i do love miss breezy and don't wanna argue with her.
Love ya @ez-bri-z

[exitseven]

@ez-bri-z Yes, I know this happens. But if a woman transitions to a man he is still at a disadvantage and will not be able to unfairly compete in athletics.

[newboy78]

They should start a separate category for trans, so that they can compete with the right competitors.

Trans competing with either male or female might not be fair for anyone.

But for a separate category for trans in everything will happen only if a revolution happen, otherwise I guess they will be ignored

[jaybee281]

This actually gave me a plan Z in case my life goes on a sudden crazy downward spiral to hell - I'll just "become" a woman and go kick their ass IN EVERY SINGLE SPORT at the Olympics - So it depends if my life continues to be the way it is then no for the obvious advantage reasons - but if what happens is the aforementioned scenario - Then yes they definitely should be allowed to participate with women

[MuddyMole]

Nope. I get that it's discriminatory and unfair to the athletes - but sports are inherently discriminatory and unfair. Trans athletes don't get to compete against women because their genes made them male; I don't get to compete in the NBA because my genes made me less than 6'6" tall. Such is life.

[Drumlin2001]

Whilst we have sport segregated by gender you'll have people arguing about this. Look at Caster Semenya, she's intersex and has been the subject of much ire for the fact she can compete in female sport (and dominates). Let alone those who have transitioned much later in life. Maybe there should be a third category at sporting events, an open division

[Shaggy_KW]

Genetically, men are stronger than women. This isn't me being "haha women weak", no, biologically women are weaker than men just by birth. So if a male that is stronger by default, transitions to a woman, they now have an unfair advantage. I have another reason but that's just me thinking it's wrong in general

[Ez-Bri-Z]

You do realize that natural strength goes away with the testosterone, right? Once they start on estrogen they lose muscle mass and fat is redistributed

[Shaggy_KW]

I understand, but you don't have to get testosterone blockers or testosterone pills to be trans. You can just say you are. Like I can just declare myself as having no gender right now. A man can just decide they want to be a woman without changing anything about themselves.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Sure. I can declare myself empress of the world and that doesn't make me one. You don't just declare it for no reason. Yes there are those who delay transition. There are those who start but never do surgeries and those are fine too.

Generally though, if you haven't even made a reasonable attempt to even seek a therapist or even inquire into hrt within a reasonable amount of time, then I question motives.

[Shaggy_KW]

Still allowed tho, just answering the question, didn't mean to offend

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I'm not offended personally. I do have several friends in the trans community and I just see people discriminate against them far too often.

I think they would be the first to acknowledge their differences. They hate them for the most part. They just want normalcy and to be treated the way they feel inside. They didn't ask for being born how they were anymore than I did being really tall or having a larger nose.

Give them about a year on HRT and then let them compete. It's the closest we can get to fair for both sides.

[Shaggy_KW]

I personally think it's selfish to change yourself because you didn't get to be born as the gender you wanted. Life isn't fair and honestly they should have embraced what they had rather than mutilating and changing themselves because of a feeling they had. If you were born as a male, you're a male, no hormone blockers can change that. I know it's not very pc and I'll get hate for it but that's my opinion and I'll die on this hill defending it

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Nobody wants you to die, but are you dying on the hill for those who get plastic surgery for a breast enhancement? How about liposuction? Those getting earrings or tattoos?

[Shaggy_KW]

Plastic surgery, yes. Unless you actually need it medically. Piercings and tattoos, depends. Too much is too much, but still. All of those are tame compared to the videos I've seen on male to female transformation surgery, that shit is terrifying

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Its scary to you, but to them it is life saving. Do you realize how high suicide rates are for transgender people?

You know what's terrifying to me? Penetration. I'm a woman who is terrified of being penetrated. That is something most people never even think of and yet, I have to convince myself to even eat or drink at times because the idea of something outside my body coming into it freaks me out. You know what it is like to be conscious of even breathing at times? It's maddening.

If I could do something to fix it, I would. For transgender people, they are taking steps to fix what they feel is wrong with them. Whether you agree or not is your choice, but what they definitely don't need are people telling them how wrong they are or actively trying to exclude then from society.

[Shaggy_KW]

Then they should seek therapy instead of getting a non reversible surgery. I don't mean a therapist to help with transition, I mean a therapist to get them out of dysphoria and depression

[Ez-Bri-Z]

They do seek therapy. Its a requirement before you can even get surgery. That's what a lot of people don't understand but it is right there in the dsm5 manual. The fix is to have them transition.

[Shaggy_KW]

That's a really shitty way to go about things. "Welp we can't help you, go get your dick cut open" I feel like we should be telling people that wanting to be a different gender isn't normal, it's quite literally a mental illness and shouldn't be entertained. The solution should be discouraging and helping people through their dysphoria not telling them to go alter their body beyond recognition

[Ez-Bri-Z]

How is it harming you in the slightest with what they do to their bodies? I'm sure they realize it isn't normal, but you make it sound like they can just take a pill and be done with it. I see a therapist, I am on anti depression meds and I still hate everything about myself.

I intend to get plastic surgery to get my nose fixed at some point maybe even get my breasts enhanced. What you are suggesting works in a perfect world where you can just solve problems that way, but it just doesn't.

[Shaggy_KW]

It doesn't harm me but it's not right. It's talked about like you can just do it, it's become more popular than an actual mental illness, people think it's quirky and the new trend. Like I said before, life isn't fair. How is your life so horrible that changing your gender will fix all your problems? Is being a guy or a girl that bad? Most complaints I've heard about being a girl is period pains, there's a surgery for that too, doesn't require you to change your name or appearance. Most complaints I've heard about being a guy is people don't give a shit about you, we'll find someone that does. There are infinitely more solutions. I have also been through therapy and antidepressants. I've attempted suicide multiple times and self harmed throughout most of my teenage years. But through dedication and self improvement, I'm now off the meds and without a therapist. I didn't just go to therapy and listen to what they said, I put in my own initiative and fought my demons myself. Your looks don't matter, someone will love you for you, if anything you're probably slimming your chances of someone wanting you with the breast enhancement. Guys don't want fake. I personally prefer smaller, and the nose thing, be who you were born as, don't cover yourself up. Embrace who you are and love yourself and you won't feel the need to fix what isn't broken

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well, I'm already married to another woman so I dont care what guys want from my body first off. This is for me. Not for anyone else. I hate myself. I'm not overly concerned if you or anyone else does.

As for you fixing your issues the way you did. GREAT! I'm glad you found something that works for you. Not everyone is going to be fixed in the same way. We aren't all the same brand of dishwashers or cars. For them, the fix is proceeding with gender affirming surgery

[PadyFrogette]

If you are born with a dick, you will remain all your life, stronger, full of testosterone, and certainly able to beat most born females in your athletic group.

[Vivaldi]

No, they have women hormone. It is synthetic.

[zagor]

Think about it: Why do we have (with some exceptions) separate athletic competitions for men and women? Because there are inherent physical differences in development between the sexes. If someone decides they are something other than what they were at birth, that doesn't change those differences. Unless you are going to allow "normal" men to compete in female competitions based only on the choice to do so, it really makes no sense.

[AnthonyJ01]

Definitely no way. They are biologically men, not women no matter what they claim. Generally if they compete against women. They most likely competed as a man and could never accomplish anything. Basically they were complete failures as a male athlete, so they decide to "claim" to be women and compete at that level so they can feel some value.

[TheorionMage]

Create a separate category, specifically for them to compete ONLY against one another!
THEN, we'll see the TRUE degree of them forsaking their physical birth gender---
"LOUD & PROUD"?
... We'll see---

[Anonymous]

I say yes only because it’s fucking hi-larious to see women get a taste of their own medicine.
They pissed and moaned for decades about “equality” and how men and women were the same. They then said trans women were real women. They expected society to bow to their nonsense and now a bunch of dude put in hIr extensions and kick their asses. Bah hahaha it’s amazing.

[AviatorTom]

Except for the small number of coed sports, where both male and female sexes are basically equal, athletes should compete against others of their birth sex. To do anything else is unfair.

[snowboarder720]

I believe there needs to be a different gender category for trans athletes. I don’t find it fair for cis women to compete with someone who is not a cis female.

[MCheetah]

Obviously not. Because I haven't gone insane like the other Clown World buffoons in this dystopian society we live in.

[GhostMochi]

No, I don't think "former" men should be able to participate in FEMALE sports teams.

[exitseven]

No, it is not fair for guys to compete against girls.

[RolandCuthbert]

I ain't a woman. Just wondering what the women here think.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Trans women vs women yes.
Believe it or not sport isn't a fair competition by any means.
Also, skinny and tall is the ideal runner.

[Birdlegs]

Sports are generally pretty fair the only exceptions are when people cheat. Even genetic freaks can compete against other genetic freaks and it’ll be fair that’s the Olympics. Trans women are basically women on steroids especially athletes the physical differences plus the higher levels of test is basically akin to them juicing which is cheating

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Birdlegs nope. Not fair at all. Everyone gets different training, some from top trainers some train themselves, genetic abnormalities give people advantages, different levels of hormones (which is natural among all people).

[Birdlegs]

You clearly have never played a sport. Talented people do have an advantage over less naturally gifted people but it can very easily even out of the second person works harder that’s why I’m college basically everybody is the same skill level. There are rare genetic freaks who have an advantage over everybody (think Tyreek Hill or Lebron James or Usain Bolt) but those are incredibly rare especially in highschool/ college. Hormones are a huge factor that makes men so much physically superior to women but man to man is basically negligible and woman to woman is negligible. If I lose to a guy I would never say “he must have more testosterone than me” I’ll say he worked harder. Sports are fair. I can get scientific if you’d like and really explain how hormones and hormone suppression works in terms of trans women in sports if you DM me.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Birdlegs nope elite sports are inherently unfair.
Basketball players and netball players are fucking tall, with the exception of a few shorter ones who the 10 shortest ones ever were mostly all point guards. The 10 tallest ever basketball players centers. Because they have an advantage.

Imagine doing 100 meter hurdles a 6ft4 person is going to have a much easier time jumping over than a 5'2 person. Yet they do compete against eachother.

Someone says well Wilson Kipsang did a marathon in just over 2 hours. Impressive. Amazing... But Josh Cassidy did it in 1.5 hours. Not fair... He has no legs.

[Birdlegs]

What? No what are you even saying. NBA players are basically all tall and the ones that are shorter make up for it in other ways also Point guards face point guards centers face centers that’s fair. It’s not exactly an advantage in game unless that 6’7 center can move like a point guard or that point guard has a 50+ inch vertical which would make both of them genetic freaks like I said. Also if there is an elite hurdler who is 5’2 then they deserve to race the taller people they’re all elite it’s fair. I race guys who are 6’3 and jacked all the time it might not look fair but I’m in the race for a reason we’re the same skill level. Wilson Kipsang and Josh Cassidy don’t race each other🤦🏾‍♂️ that’s like saying it’s not fair that a car can go 100m faster than me sports are so unfair. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Birdlegs I do you're just insisting on missing the point. Sports are not fair end of.

[Birdlegs]

You didn’t give a single good example of sports being unfair. Literally everything you’ve said I have proven wrong. You’re argument is weak and makes no sense. You objectively just don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Birdlegs you didn't prove me wrong at all you admitted there was advantages. You just have an issue with trans people.

[Birdlegs]

We aren’t even talking about trans people rn. Sports are inherently fair a woman on steroids isn’t fair (look at FloJo she’s had the 100 and 200 records for damn near 40 years and no woman has come close yet) that’s a trans woman. A trans woman is literally a woman on steroids point blank period. I don’t have an issue with trans people and you’ve been wrong about every single thing you’ve said are we done here?

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Birdlegs flojo was rigorously tested and never found to be on drugs. That is a really bad defense for your transphobia.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Also her 100m Olympic record was broken last year.

[Msputiton]

@Birdlegs is definitely right.
I mean even the Olympics and the athletes will admit the advantage is overwhelming.
I can't compete against the male players at my college.
The 400meter is guaranteed to be a 5seconds slower as a female.

@Birdlegs this don't make you transphobic.
It makes you honest.
I hate that this has to be a decision but it is.

Me and @Birdlegs had to make a choice to get to college level athletes to pretty much give up our childhood by dedicating our lives to our sport. So we could get to where we did,

And it may sound harsh but they have to make a tough choice as well to play a sport they love or be the gender they love.

These tough decisions are made all the time.
There is a reason trangenders can't compete in the Olympics and it's proof made by top doctors world wide that the advantage is makes it no longer a competition.
I believe one day the science will even the playing field, but we ain't there yet.
But when we as a female athlete have our chance to fairly compete because of a decision made by someone else it is truly just unfair.
And unfair to call him transphobic for stating what he has learned from competing in the sport that we are discussing.
I'm sorry but realistically there will be very few athletes who understand how sports work that will say this is in anyway fair.
And no scientist or doctor who understands genetics thay will say this is fair.

There is doing what is right and being realistic

[grega239]

Yea but that makes it even less fair. If this is allowed to continue, actual women will start dropping out of sports

[OneManOnly01]

@Razp_Sorbet Here's where you are clueless. All those advantages those atheletes have are natural. They don't get those advantages from a surgery.

And judging by what you just said do you also believe that men and women shouldn't have separate divisions? Should men and women all be allowed to compete in the same competitions?

[Razp_Sorbet]

@OneManOnly01 there's 0 advantages from surgeries. If you're going to regulate hormones for sports the regulate it for everyone not just trans women. Two men can have 800ng/dL difference of testosterone levels. Women can have 55ng/dL difference of testosterone. There's biological women suffering from these restrictions.

[OneManOnly01]

@Razp_Sorbet There's the advantages of male which are actually already there but then you became a fake female while carrying over most of those advantages. So yeah, I would definitely call that 'surgery advantages'.

And it's just hilarious how clueless you are on this subject. Testosterone is not the only difference between men and women. Men have a different brain and therefore have much better reaction times than women.

Men have very different bone structure which is way superior to women. I'd like to see you do an MMA fight with an untrained average man. He'd absolutely mop the floor with you.

Also, you've got 7 dislikes on your opinion!

[Razp_Sorbet]

@OneManOnly01 what surgery exactly is causing the advantages?

Interesting you say that because that's not what is being restricted is it? Perhaps they should find a better way to make sports more fair.

Of course I have dislikes. Gag is filled with transphobes.

[OneManOnly01]

@Razp_Sorbet Can't you read English? Read what I wrote again. A surgery that turned a man into a fake woman and gave him the advantages of a man while pretending to be a woman.

Do you know what you're even talking about? What's not being restricted? The testosterone is one advantage but men have tons of more advantages over women.

Transphobes?😂 Like I just said, do an mma fight with an untrained trans 'woman' and he'll mop the floor with you. Then you'll become a transphobe too because you'll get a phobia of trans 'women' after the beating you get in that match up😂

You're literally a couch potato so what even makes you worthy of saying this? Many actual women competing in sports have claimed from experience how they are at an inherent disadvantage when competing against trans 'women'. No 'natural advantage' can match the advantages that being a man gives

[Razp_Sorbet]

@OneManOnly01 can you type grammatically correct? Clearly you're uneducated. Surgeries don't change anything other than the appearance of sexual appendages.

That's my point, they've only focused on restrictions of high testosterone levels (which impact cis women too). They don't test anything else because if they did they would see huge genetic differences, advantages and disadvantages between men and women respectively.

I'm so tired of that same argument that you all use.

[Razp_Sorbet]

You don't care about fairness in sports. You just don't like trans women. It's funny how not once are trans men ever mentioned in any of these arguments. If trans men competed with cis women they would have an advantage, if they compete with cis men they would have a disadvantage. But you won't talk about that, because all you care about is dehumanizing trans women.

[OneManOnly01]

@Razp_Sorbet You're a stupid fool and you couldn't get the idea from the dislikes you got. And stop ignoring the question. Tell me, would you participate in an mma bout against and untrained trans man? I don't think you would because you would get manhandled.

Is it to difficult for you to understand? Everyone who saw your opinion thinks you are stupid!

[Razp_Sorbet]

@OneManOnly01 you look stupid. A trans man is biologically a woman.