Was Zelenskyy like rogue?

[ibodi]

First, I thought British and USA arrange it for a long time. To China, It is really tired of it so we often dont go this. Yeah China know that in their own history but They dont use it, It is controversy on their ethics, So they know Pompeo (one of Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse) would run countries that are around China during trade war. It was lucky for now to see that Pompeo stop china buy ukrainian improtant company. From what I saw now, Was Zelenskyy like rogue to deal with politics? Like USA told taiwan recently, USA dont seek fighting with China wanting Taiwan dont provoke yeah strange that media quiet down and I still think we should let idology to narrow government's duty. I still think the war is unfortunately.

[jshm2]

Zelensky is basically the new Osama Bin Laden.

The CIA gave Osama bin Laden weapons to fight off the Soviets, when the Soviets could have easily won in Afghanistan as we know with operation cyclone. The USA and UK are giving Zelensky the same deal, and it's why the Russians haven't won easily in Ukraine.

But as we know with Osama, Saddam, Quaddafi, and others. The West is as treacherous as the devil in getting you to do their dirty work, while appearing as angelic saviours to their own.

[Losalt]

Not quite.
First of all, the afghan mujahideen where not state actors, Ukraine still has a functional state.
Secondly, the US didn't actually help Bin Laden directly but helped the Pakistani intelligence services who decided to help Bin Laden.
Thirdly, most Mujahedin didn't consider the west enemies prior to Bin Ladens activities after the war.
He argued that the US didn't support them out of generosity but where just playing great power games vs the USSR who did the same themselves elsewhere and that *both* where enemies of Islam and just a continuation of a western colonization project after the fall of the Ottomans.
Thirdly, are you accusing the west of supporting Saddam Hussein?
As far as I know we've never helped him with weapons and always had strained ties with him, but again, he was a state actor at the time unfortunately, but unlike the Ukrainian case a unelected one.
Likewise Gaddafi lead a government as well.

[Losalt]

What do you expect us to do?
Ignore the existence of these countries?
When it came to Iraq and Libya and Afganistan the west acted when the government of these countries missbehaved in some way or other.
Afganistan harboring terrorists who had attacked the US, refusing to cooperate.
Iraq was believed to have owned weapons of mass destruction in violation of treaties (and they where known to have used some against ethnic minorities in the past), it turned out that in the case of *this* war the information about weapons of mass destruction was wrong, so yes, technically the causus belli for that war was invalid, but given the behavior of Saddam Hussein in the past, a man known to have used them in the past, and who was only saved by the USSR if I don't remember wrong it's not exactly weird that the west didn't have that much patience with him.
Ad for Libya, when he started attacking his own population at the doorstep of Europe.
That's both a causus belli and a opportunity as it was within the range of Europes military operation range.
Further afield most of Europe needs help from the US to act at all, but Libya was close enough for Europe to *partially* manage on its own.

[Losalt]

Anyway, would you prefer the Persians, or the Ottoman empire or the Romans?
At least we're *trying* to treat others well.
And there's been a downwards trend of wars everywhere in the world since the Napoleonic wars with the exception of the two world wars.
And a downwards trend of deaths etc.
You have *never* in the history of the world been less likely then now to be a victim of war or violence or starvation etc.
Is the western lead world order perfect?
Of course not.
But working within it is a damned lot more likely to improve things then to try a revolution.

[Losalt]

I'm really struggling with making out what you're trying to say?
Your sentences aren't really coherent.

[ibodi]

It base on fact that had happened if you know the facts behind word that does not matter my sentence are not really coherent. It is like English they dont clean their language into term as europea. So met a lot of problems.

[Losalt]

What are you trying to say?
Facts about what?
You have a whole bunch of sentences that's neither connected to each other nor necessarily holding together *within* the sentence.
Like, I can recognize some *words* following each other in ways that kind of makes sense.

But I really don't think that I can make sense of what you're trying to say without being in your mind and knowing what you intended...