Anyone else hope Russia wins the war because Zelenskyy did this?

[Stoner710]

So I was on board with supporting Ukraine, of course Russia should not be invading a sovereign nation we can all agree to that.

that being said you should not tell a lie that would have resulted in ww3. This occurred on November 15, 2022 when the Ukraine accidentally shot a missile into Poland killing two farmers. Zelenskyy then proceeded to lie, and say that it was Russian and Russia had just attacked a NATO ally So NATO Need to jump in and go to war with Russia. We all know that would have caused ww3. I understand the desperation of Zelenskyy but there no reason to condemn the world to nuclear annihilation 1 based on a lie and 2 desperation. All Zelenskyy had to do was say it was my bad and gave the families of those farmers part of the United States tax dollars that we’ve been sending him just give them 1 million just because, and have a nice day. But Zelenskyy lied, and his lie would have started world war three so now I’m on the Russian side because of that lie.

[Quackthulu2]

Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how bad shit will get for the rest of the world if Ukraine falls? Or if NATO goes to war with Russia? Because China is going to jump in on that shit and before you know it we are in the middle of WWIII which means we are all fucked. Every single person in the world, is fucked.

[lightbulb27]

No, this is true but all messed up. He said that when they didn't have the facts. I don't know if he corrected it, but the truth is out.

Realize, Zelensky is in a hot seat with his country being attacked at many angles, with death threats and many problems most of us wouldn't want to have. cut him some slack...

I don't know what either side winning looks like. There is no trust, mabye it looks like USA leaving Afghanistan? I don't see a win without people at the top establishing trust again and a vision, and that looks impossible with the current group.

[OlderAndWiser]

Do you thiink that Putin has told no lies? Didn't he already threaten to escalate this conflict to a nuclear war?

[Stoner710]

No I think Putin has lied many times, but his lies hasn’t resulted in ww3

[OlderAndWiser]

Putin didn't cause WW III, but he THREATENED WW III. Zelensky also has not caused WW III, in case you had failed to notice.

Looking and expecting to find bastions of moral uprightness in the midst of war is a fool's errand. "War is Hell!" - Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

[Anonymous]

If it were up to me, Ukraine would never have gotten a dime from the US.

[goaded]

He was assured it wasn't a Ukrainian missile, but even though that was wrong, he was completely correct that "Ukraine was not to blame for the missile strike that killed two people in Poland" because none of those missiles would have been in the air if it wasn't for Russia. You don't fire anti-missile defences unless there are incomming missiles.

[Stoner710]

Funny Russia wouldn’t have attacked Ukraine if Biden hadn’t pulled out of Afghanistan.

[goaded]

How on earth do you come to that conclusion (and Russia started invading in 2014, last year they decided to take the whole country).

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know about Zelenskyy lying, but I could see why he would. Like you said desperate to keep nato funds coming.

But war does have this effect. And yeah, UN investigators believe as of now, it’s a Ukrainian fired missile, but Russia is to blame too isn’t it?

[Stoner710]

True, I will say the ultimate person reasonable is joe Biden, had Biden not pulled out of Afghanistan Ukraine would never had been invaded. That being said I was for Zelenskyy until he lied like that which would have gotten us into ww3 had cooler heads not prevailed. So I guess the compromise would be. I hope Ukraine wins, but Zelenskyy is out of power at the end of it, whatever that means.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry how are those two things connected? Especially since Putin invaded Ukraine years before we pulled out.

[Stoner710]

Biden pulled out of Afghanistan in the worst way possible. Which made the United States states look weak on the world stage. Which emboldened Putin to start upping his military.

Then on January 20th 2022 joe Biden said "I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

This was a direct mockery on Putin. Which encouraged Putin to invade. Weakness and trying to act strong when people know you’re weak and won’t keep your word like what Biden shown weakness in Afghanistan and trying to show stretch which he doesn’t have to Putin.

Now yes Putin invaded premiere in 2014 because he knew by obama going to do anything but was a little scared of Obama if he pushed his luck. Putin invaded Georgia Bush under president again take over the country because he was kind of afraid of George Bush, if he went to far Bush and Obama would have sent troops. Putin was terrified of Trump, Trump made Putin think he would actually hit the nuclear button so Putin didn’t attack anyone. With Biden who he knew he was weak (Biden is famous for opposing the bin Laden raid) along with the weakness shown in Afghanistan Putin knew he had a green light to invade because Biden wouldn’t do anything. You could walk in any of the 3 past presidents and Putin would start retreating (I don’t think Bush or Obama would nuke Moscow. Trump probably wouldn’t nuke Moscow but definitely American bombs would rain on Moscow ending not only the war in Ukraine but making sure Putin doesn’t have the will to attack again.

[OddBeMe]

You guys keep saying that shit, but people literally were caught snickering at Trump. And shaking their heads at dumbass trade wars.

[OddBeMe]

People I mean world leaders at the g20

[Avicenna]

I am no fan of Zelensky and his very corrupt government and country, but there's no way I'd want to see Putin win in Ukraine (although he probably will).

[Anonymous]

Waiting for all the shitlib pro-war “Liberals” to tell you that you’re a Putin-lover in 4...3...2...

[FilmGuy93]

Eh... Zelensky is a hell of a lot more dangerous than the West gives him credit for, but Putin is ultimately in the wrong here.

[Stoner710]

Fair

[Pyrofox]

War is full of lies. Truth is half way between hell and fubar.

[Stoner710]

Pair

[Pyrofox]

The only truth to the history and what war is, what the winning side mutually agrees on is the only true, truth. The loosing side ends up either a villan or forgotten.

[Stoner710]

True but should we support the lies, especially when it comes to nuclear annihilation

[LimitedBenefits101]

Hopefully Putin Nukes them, sick and tired of hearing about them, where did all the $$$$ we sent them?

[gorydetails]

Bingo. I’m tired of supporting that corrupt country.

[Still-alive]

Nope. Someone needs to shoot putin in the back of the head already

[Sevenpointfive]

i have always been on putins side.

[Cubus]

As a Polish person, I hope Ukraine wins.

[Stoner710]

Fair

[Anonymous]

Zelenskyy isn’t the one fighting and dying.

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope