Are mass shooters even mentally ill?

[ChefPapiChulo]

i always see that "its just some crazy nut." not all crazy nuts are violent and are often not. its most def twisted people in a way where theyre not insane. but are just bad people.

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1. It's not fair to say they're insane. because insane people dont often do this.
2. having symptoms of mental illness does not make you insane.
3. evil does exist, and thats what these people are. they are often just evil and dont have voices telling them what to do. all you have to do is look up the kid who committed a mass shooting and pretended to be insane.

these mass shooters are twisted human beings, they are not insane.

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mental illness is a stigma, and these people who do these kinds of things suffer from mental illness, but theyre not clinically insane. they are just down to the core evil.

[lightbulb27]

I can't judge that as it gets into definitions and parameters, have a psychiatrist answer.

bad people seems like a casual definition. Some seem to do little bad until they "snap".. although they project in advance online with threats. I think they are hurt people, hopeless often. When there is no hope, nothing matters.

Some may be crazy. .. like charles manson. But I suspect he's in that categoy as well, just masked over with drugs.

Can you relate to these people at all? have you ever been so mad you would kill others and thought about it, even those who weren't the ones who hurt you? Hell is deep and wide...

[ChefPapiChulo]

those online threats you're talking about, we see them all the time. they're literally everywhere. how are we supposed to know which lunatic is going to snap?

[lightbulb27]

Valid question. I have to thnk if I can solve this with minimal restriction. That's what they've been trying... and obviously, hasn't worked.
We used to have mental hospitals to put people in. That I think.. will be essential. Solution is to stop creating so many mental patients by having families. that takes time though... and now we would have more if abortions banned. ugh...

It's a question whether we can come up with a way to monitor mental health in society and keep guns and ammo out of hands of these... antisocial, mostly fatherless, mostly males. Or go further and limit gun rights. that's the lefts view. hard to pull off in usa...

Haven't thoguht about it enough to solve it. To me... you do this grass roots bottom up. every school knows every kid. parents do as well. Communities engage with these kids, ensure weapons not available/secure, they are dealt with in society... not by meds. we used to have churches/connection, people knew each other. our society drugs everything as a replacement for social healing... although a short term crutch, the emotional issues need dealt with. Thats our problem I think, people are hurting inside without hope. guess.

Can by choice take guns away from these people if they hand them in, disallow guns without a psych eval, something like that. It's tough as we got our gun rights here.. infringing on that doesn't fly so easy.

[lightbulb27]

you never answered my question. I was there emotionally at one point. I pulled myself out. These other people don't have the faculties, emotional resources to do so. They go into the abyss of hell. Hell is wide and deep.
This is why I champion Christ, or spiritual awakening in general. That is the ticket out for most... seen it more than once.

[CloudMassacre]

I don’t like “just bad people” I think it passes off the roots of problems for making Badness some inherent property. Everyone is influenced by the events that happen to them, different people have different circumstances that lead to different outcomes

[ArtemisSilver]

He's not one for nuance, don't bother.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@ArtemisSilver make a point or leave.

[ChefPapiChulo]

everyone is influenced by things but not everyone goes to shoot 15 kids. these people are crazy. they are just bad, evil.

just so you know bad, and evil do exist.

[ArtemisSilver]

I did make a point. That point being that you can't process nuanced situations. Feel free to prove me wrong some time.

[CloudMassacre]

✋️😬 I made uh point sir

[CloudMassacre]

My bad, I hadn’t refreshed

[ChefPapiChulo]

aren't crazy*

[User2324]

i don’t believe they are at all! its just the excuse they pull because they think they can get away with it like the rest of them. its very infuriating that this is the norm for them & it shouldn’t be. nothing is being done about any of it which is why these lunatics keep pushing it further & further to see how much they can get away with. i wish this wasn’t the world we live in but until the higher powers actually take action.. it’ll just continue 😞

[EmbraceThePain]

Some are and some are not. The issue is, people with malicious intent are a fact of the world that people need to accept, where no matter what laws or safeguards in place catastrophes will always happen.

[Slingblade1126]

When you walk into a school in broad daylight and shoot innocent people, that shows you have no concept between right and wrong. That is pretty much the legal definition of insane.

[Slingblade1126]

By the way, "mental illness" and "insane", have totally different legal meanings.

[Guy13]

You seem violent to me🙃. Gun owner by chance? Racist, kicked out of Momma’s basement, and crazy gun owners by chance?
Yep, that’s you for sure…

[Slartybartfast]

Kyl Rittenhouse may be a racist murderer, but he seemed sane.

[driven159]

Who would do that to children if they were not crazy at least the tax pays are not on the hook for a trial?

[ChefPapiChulo]

evil people. they exist. mentally ill people who are severely mentally ill almost always aren't violent.

[joeldalton]

since the definition of 'mass shooter' has changed, the vast majority of them are gang killings. So likely just evil

[KrakenAttackin]

Doing a mass shooting is not the act of a sane person.

[ChefPapiChulo]

they might have symptoms of mental illness but almost anyone can have symptoms. it doesn't make them insane. many of these people are just evil.

[KrakenAttackin]

@chefpapichulo. I agree there is a lot of evil, but evil is not born, evil is made.

[KrakenAttackin]

What do you want to bet on the shooter was raised by a single mother?

[OddBeMe]

I see it as a spectrum. In some ways, we all have "mental illness". Just nominally.

[Dargil]

They are psychopaths, however.

[HeartFullOfGlue]

Some