These shootings are insane right?

[JohnK123]

I just ask people, who don’t wanna ban guns or make gun laws, would they wanna ban them if their kid or sibling or parent got shot and killed, and if they say yes then why not protect others now. And if they say no then they just messed up. How many loved ones will you let be killed by guns before you do something about the issue?

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+1 y

People deny they have mental disorders so that’s off the table…
Locking doors doesn’t stop a person with a gun…

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+1 y

Lmao genocide isn’t taking away freedoms, it’s the deliberate act of killing a certain group of people aka what’s happening in ukraine rn

[Goforit1010]

You're right... blame the tool for the killing, not the idiot who misused it? Right?

If you think that way, then let's ban all the vehicles on the road too, since they kill 2X as many people in a year than guns do!

Let's ban all utensils too, since they make people fat!

Do you see the stupidity of thinking that way. Since when... When do you start blaming the people who commit the crimes and hold them PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE for their actions, rather than the item used in a crime?

Guns have been part of American life ever since we became a country. When I was in school, it was common to see a gun (rifle or shotgun) in the back window of a pickup. No one thought that was wrong (and it wasn't!). We had murders then too, but going after crowds of people? After kids in school? That just wasn't done!

When you start... Start with getting the mental disorders of people dealt with, THEN... you will START to end this problem. Guns aren't the problem. If they were, considering there's over 400 million of them in the US, we'd have several thousand people getting shot every week. I don't know ANY gun that gets up and decides to go around shooting itself at people.

[JohnK123]

Lmao I do blame the people too but the people have and own the object… so ya if u ban the object the person can’t get the object therefore they can’t use it

[Goforit1010]

Same with those hateful SUV's that get driven through parades. Ban them. Ban them all!

That's the logic you're using. While you're at it, ban forks, knives, and spoons because they cause people to eat unhealthy, right?

Just because a gun was used, doesn't make guns wrong or bad. They're inherently dangerous! Everyone KNOWS that. So are tablesaws and chain saws. Axes are too. That doesn't mean you get rid of them!

Even though those objects ARE dangerous we still have a very good use for them. MOST... I mean that, MOST people make sure they're trained, and understand how to use them properly. Focus on how we can keep the idiots from getting those things. That's where your efforts should be.

[JohnK123]

Ya and how do u suggest we keep the idiots from getting them? Surely u support better gun laws then huh?

[Goforit1010]

Better gun laws? Like what? There are over 20,000 gun laws now! Just what do you think we could do differently? We certainly can harden our schools by restricting points of entry, having active shooter exercises (like fire drills), and keeping better tabs on kids with mental disorders.

Because of HIPPA laws, we CANNOT delve into someone's medical history when doing a background check. However, we CAN create an addendum to background check laws that allow a psychologist/psychiatrist to make an entry for denial. That denial CAN be rescinded by a Dr. - IF the individual shows they're in control of themselves.

[JohnK123]

Just make you do training before buying a gun or make it harder to acquire one or do a better background check

[Goforit1010]

Training... I agree with, to a point. I have a military background and used firearms in the military. I'm thinking training for me would be waste of time since I'm well aware how to load, point, and shoot most handguns. But you make a great point! Too many people need training. Maybe not necessarily for the gun itself, but for the laws that are meaningful for the state they're in.

[JohnK123]

Ya but training for those who don’t have a military background

[Goforit1010]

100% agree! Your Q was about how insane the shootings are. You ARE aware there were 23 "mass" shootings over the Memorial Day weekend, right? A mass shooting is defined as 4 or more people getting shot in a single instance. Chicago had 2 of those where 5 people each were shot and Philadelphia had one with 4. No one said a word about those 23 instances though.

[JohnK123]

Ya but some smaller news places did like local news

[BillyBalls]

How about keeping hands out of the hands of criminals?

Better yet... put more criminals in prison and keep them there!!!

[bbear07]

i think it is a constitutional right to own a gun, and the fact that some people are wrongly using them doesn't take that right away from everyone. If u mage guns illegal, then good people won't have them and bad people will illegally get them, hence making the situation worse. I think instead of getting up everyone's ass about owning guns, we should put more safety measurements in place at schools and other places. That horrible shooting in texas could have been avoided if they had their doors locked.

[JohnK123]

Dang… what if the gunman had a lock set… or shot through the glass and unlocked the door… yeah problem still unsolved

[bbear07]

i think that if they have locked doors they can invest a little in bulletproof glass maybe? not all schools even have windows by the doors. there are logical precautions to take, and taking away guns isn't going to solve the problem. Maybe locking the doors isn't going to completely solve it either. We just need to keep brainstorming and come up with a solution.

[JohnK123]

Ya… but u still have to put guns in the same category also

[bbear07]

i think there should be gun laws, and not everyone should be allowed to have them. But guns are something that have been a part of civilization for a long time, and I don't think the problem is going to be solved by taking them away completely.

[Anonymous]

Gun owners tend to be borderline insane, that is why they own guns.

[JohnK123]

True

[OlderAndWiser]

I had a family member killed in a private plane crash and I never suggested that private plane ownership should be outlawed.

[BCA6010]

People kill people with or without guns.

Guns don't do squat without people pulling the triggers.

The problem is a people problem, not an inanimate object problem. Take away guns then sure, maybe you stop a few shootings from happening, but instead you'll have a sharp increase (no pun intended) of knife and blade attacks, more bombings, muggings, rapes, burglaries, etc.

And you think the solution, especially after considering what happened in Texas last week is to rely entirely on cowardly and/or bureaucratically crippled law enforcement agencies to protect you 40-60 minutes after the attack starts? The harsh reality is that unless you happen to be in the immediate proximity of a security guard or police officer, nobody else is going to be able to protect you fast enough to save your life, no matter what tools attackers are using.

[JohnK123]

So u don’t have a solution to the issue then?

[BCA6010]

In the immediate term, with or without a gun ban it would be completely counterproductive to not pass a law and provide funding to support school resource officers and/or designated trained and armed faculty in every public school, and the necessary rennovations to support single-point two-tiered entry at each school. This was done in Florida almost immediately after Ron DeSantis took office, and there's no reason why Texas and every other state couldn't essentially copy-paste it. Texas actually did provide funding for this at one point and Uvalde is now under investigation for (probably) not using it for what it was intended. To stop that from happening again, any funding must come with strings attached and very specific details regarding what it is to be used for, to be harshly punished if misused. This will not stop these events from happening, but it will act as a very effective deterrent that will at the very least divert all but the most deranged psychopaths away from the schools and children. The reality is that many of these guys are so crazy that they're planning on a one-way trip, anyway, which is part of why there is no 100% effective short term solution.

For the long term, you run into a lot of obstacles especially on the political side. For one, politicians don't want to put their stakes on long term plans that will take longer than the next election cycle to produce results. Second however, all of the contributing factors to the devastation of mental health in kids, teens, and young adults are things heavily entrenched into American society. The first and most common denominator in criminals and sociopaths is the lack of a father figure, usually because he ran off, went to prison, or the parents split up. Fathers and mothers are, like it or not, necessary for healthy child development, and kids learn morals and discipline from their fathers.

[BCA6010]

The US absolutely has to push back against the anti-family rhetoric it has openly embraced in the last few years. The next major problem is the pharmaceutical industry and the related mental health crisis. The public schools are brainwashing kids into seeing everyone and everything as victims or oppressors, never take responsibility for actual actions, and replace personal, physical interaction with online chat rooms and social media, which completely dehumanizes everyone and everything to a developing youth. The US already has, by far the most heavily medicated student population from over diagnosing learning disorders, and it is creating even more problems, all in the name of profits as well as schools getting extra funding for catering to x-number of learning-disabled students. The pharmaceutical lobby outspends the gun lobby by a factor of about 25 to 1, on average. Furthermore, they are directly feeding into approximately 75-80% of all legislators at the federal level. In return, it's one of the most heavily funded industries in the country despite also operating on one of the highest profit margins. All of this, from the reckless over-diagnosis to school incentives to the incestuous relationship between the government and companies like Pfizer need to be culled, or this will always be a huge contributor.

[BCA6010]

The third major problem is the politicians themselves and existing laws. The way laws are proposed and implemented, they are basically useless until after something happens. Even in New York, which has red flag laws in place, the shooter was able to legally acquire his gun. Nationwide laws making straw purchases felonies don't do much until something happens and an investigation gets started. Referring to what I said earlier about politicians only caring about instant gratification- they don't actually WANT this problem solved, or else they'd be spending a lot more time focusing on inner city violence and shootings instead of ignoring the fact that Chicago alone just blew the Uvalde tragedy out of the water several times over in the span of a week, Detroit has had the reputation of being an anarchic warzone for years, and our own nation's capitol has also been the per Capita murder capitol of the country for decades. The left doesn't want to even talk about it if it can't be spun to fit a narrative and lead to total disarmament/seizure of power, and the right sees gangsters killing each other as trash taking itself out, loves to briefly mention mental health without context, but ultimately still loves that pharma lobby money. We need more serious politicians who aren't, and can't be in their positions for self enrichment and power at the expense of our most helpless.

[BCA6010]

And then going beyond politics, we as a society are a huge problem. Most people will run their mouths online, or even shout from behind a police perimeter, or just keep their heads down and keep walking. There hasn't been a single mass shooter in years who just suddenly snapped and went on a rampage; they are known to have deep-rooted psychological problems, sometimes even been directly in contact with law enforcement agents and/or mental health specialists. The shooter in Uvalde regularly photographed himself and showed people his bloody bag full of murdered cats for crying out loud- people really, really need to start saying something and checking in on their friends and acquaintances to make sure they're not losing it, because between that and what seems to be a huge lineup of failures from multiple parties regarding both Uvalde and Buffalo, neither of these would've ever happened in a society of upstanding citizens. Take the New York subway for example too: a female passenger in a car is clearly getting physically harassed and abused by what seems to be a drunk or drugged hobo, yet everyone onboard is practically sweating staring at their phone screens trying to ignore it while one guy films it, and nobody makes even a minimal effort to intervene.

[NYCQuestions1976]

The United States needs to bring back residential mental institutions. The existence of firearms hasn't changed, but the existence of insane asylums has changed. They started closing them in the 1970s, and were all just about gone by the 1990s. It's no coincidence that Columbine happened in 1999. Now mentally unstable people are integrated into the general population, living with gullible relatives that make excuses for them, living in public parks, living on the streets, squatting in foreclosed residences, and living in public transportation hubs in large metropolitan areas. The sick allure of committing copycat or one-up crimes, social media, and the pandemic shutdown are also all contributing factors.

[JohnK123]

True but some people deny they need mental help

[NYCQuestions1976]

There will always be a few that fall through the cracks and/or refuse help, but that number would far less if we properly homed the mentally unstable. It's just not something that happens any more, and that's the biggest problem.

[JohnK123]

If we housed the homeless this could also solve the problem but no one wants to do that

[NYCQuestions1976]

Bingo. You're wise beyond your years. Politicians could solve a lot of problems with relative ease without unnecessary government overreach and spending. However they don't, because they don't want to actually solve anything. Solving problems doesn't generate money for the government.

I'll use immigration as an example. The federal government does a very poor job distinguishing between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration. Do you think that's unintentional on their part? The problem could be solved very quickly and easily in two steps: Streamline and modernize the legal immigration process, and secure the border. Yet neither one is done. Do you want to guess why? It's because having an easier and modern legal immigration process and stopping illegal immigration doesn't generate money for the government.

[Adronicus]

No, I'd feel guilty I failed in my role to protect my loved ones. Guns don't have minds or free will, evil people do. How's disarming law abiding citizens going to protect them from criminals who don't follow laws? I have a perfect criminal & driving record, live in a blue state & am CC. I carry a Glock at all times + 2 21 round clips except designated areas like court houses, police stations, hospitals etc.. I also live in a rural area.

[JohnK123]

Ok but then how do we prevent the evil ones from obtaining a gun?

[Adronicus]

My opinion is most people are good people. Allow all law abiding citizens to be armed. Next time someone try's to shoot up a place they get lit up by the crowd. I guarantee this will be VERY effective VERY fast.

[JohnK123]

Ya but that just means more bystanders could get shot on accident if everyone’s firing at each other no?

[Adronicus]

Depends on the success rate of educating people. Things like ricochets & bad judgment do play a factor I'll admit. A person doesn't have to shoot to kill either if they're familiar with human anatomy.

[DryGermanGuy]

What we need is mooore thouuughts and praaayers. Because everybody knows, "Many thoughts and prayers a day keep the gunmen away!"

[XXblack88]

All gun bans gonna do is make it harder for a law abiding citizen to own a gun it's not gonna stop the criminal from getting their hands on one. I'm not saying these shootings need to stop cause they do

[JohnK123]

But good citizens don’t need to own a gun

[XXblack88]

Owning a gun is a right if you don't wanna own one that's your choice. Besides try telling that to people who like to Hunt

[JohnK123]

Yaaa

[Sixgunsound]

Your definition of good citizen seems to be meek cowardly sheep who would get on the cattle car when government jackboots show up with their guns and tell you to

[alice55]

it's not the gun the problem, go on and ban gun but you're not gonna stop the mass killing. to stop mass killing you need to have free mental healthcare and a good one for everyone.

[JohnK123]

Ya but people deny they have mental health disorders

[JohnK123]

So that doesn’t solve it

[alice55]

When people have such serious mental health issue then it doesn't matter if they deny having it, they're considered dangerous so the state take care of them by either giving them medicament, lock them up in a asylum or "retirement" house until they're considered not dangerous anymore, etc...

[alice55]

In my country if people are considered dangerous to themselves or someone else because of mental health issue they get lock up, they give them medication and treatment until they're "cured" and the doctor decide they're not dangerous to others or to themselves anymore and are able to go outside but they must continue their treatment / counseling if not they get lock up again.
This can be done if asked by the school, family or state.

[JohnK123]

Ya that’s what america needs but people on both sides don’t want that

[DarkWinterNights]

Why is it that people only get upset at the object for gun related deaths but no one suggests banning alcohol because some people abuse it and kill people? If my family was shot and killed the perpetrator would be at the focal point of my rage.

[JohnK123]

Ya but not all shooters r drunk when they kill

[Anonymous]

It’s not the tool to blame, you can’t ban everything that is harmful when it is used wrong , criminally insane will use whatever they can or make weapons if they want to doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not to use it since they are criminals because then only criminals will have guns instead

[JohnK123]

But the shootings are insane, no?

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah definitely insane, I don’t know why so many lately, maybe more coverage of it or people just don’t care about anyone since everything is bad lately

[Sixgunsound]

If you think random shootings are bad, wait until the western version of Pol Pot starts building trophy mountains out of the skulls of your disarmed former family members…

[BeMuse]

Nope, you're just a soft bitch...

[BeMuse]

People slaughtered each other for millennia without guns. Guns are just a tool. If someone wants to kill they will find a way.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Trollh%C3%A4ttan_school_attack

Trying to end freedom, doesn't stop killing, it promotes genocide.

[NamerOfStars]

If you think banning guns results in LESS shootings, I suggest you visit Chicago.

Bring a bulletproef vest, though.

[noohair]

I could buy a gallon of gas and make Molotov cocktails and kill 100 people. This issue is a culture of violence and mental illness.

[JohnK123]

Molotov cocktails are great against Russian tanks 👍🏼. People deny they have mental issues so that’s not gonna help. Sure it will help the people who know they need mental help but that’s it

[Anonymous]

Why do you think a woman shouldn’t be able to shoot someone trying to rape her?

[JohnK123]

So ur saying rape is the same thing as killing
I’m not gonna argue over rape Rn lmao but ya

[Opinion Owner]

No, I’m saying that a woman should be able to defend herself against a man trying to rape her.

It’s not a math equation.

[JohnK123]

True but killing a guy for that would be different than killing someone who was out to kill you
If you get what I’m saying

[Anonymous]

He's 16
It's too late the liberals have him now

[JohnK123]

Do u have a wife, kid, or niece or nephew?

[Opinion Owner]

None of the above and no plans to get any of them either

[JohnK123]

Do u have a mom and or dad still alive

[Opinion Owner]

Sure and this is the bit were the liberal will threaten to kill them to prove a point hance why I wish liberalism would share it's rightful place on the banned terror groups list

[JohnK123]

Oh no that’s not what I was gonna say

[JohnK123]

Let’s say ur a teacher. And u get shot up and killed. How would ur parents feel burying their own son before you could get a chance to bury them?

[Opinion Owner]

My health they're already expecting it

[JohnK123]

Ya but ur dead now because u got shot up how would ur parents feel

[Opinion Owner]

After I nearly died a couple of years ago, they'd accept the unfortunate situation but know my view was to hurry up the inevitable end

[JohnK123]

Oh well sad for u. Maybe you should consult people who can help u mentally. U shouldn’t want to die you g

[Opinion Owner]

I did when I got my diagnosis and it ended with an agreed acceptance

[JohnK123]

Well then r u trying to die young

[OddBeMe]

Its their fetish or obsession.