Democrats want to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21 but it is okay for 16 year olds to vote? Agree?

[exitseven]

[BCA6010]

Hard pass.

If 18 is considered a legal adult, then absolutely nothing, including driving without a learner's permit should be permissible before that (with special exceptions made in the case of teens working to support their families), and likewise there shouldn't be anything legal for any citizen gatekept past that age, either. Given the general lack of maturity and stunted development of kids, I'd be much quicker to support moving more things to 21 than anything down to 16. The only reason Democrats would want that is because they know 16yr olds are impressionable idiots with little to no world exposure or understanding of what they think they support, and would very likely vote Democrat due to both indoctrination in schools and knee-jerk emotional thinking absent a larger world view; it has nothing whatsoever to do with freedoms.

If 18 is to be the legal age to serve in the military, then it should also be the legal age to purchase firearms, no ifs or buts. The "well military guys are trained!" argument does not hold water - some of the stupidest sh*t I've ever seen involving guns or gun ranges and basic safety violations were committed by "trained" and sometimes even "experienced" soldiers. I'd be much more in favor of teaching basic firearms mechanics and safety in schools (which used to be a thing in the US) to at least the same barebones standard required for a CHL (which is more than you receive in a formal setting in military training too) than even considering reducing accessibility for legal, law-abiding adults who can also pass a background check. This could also effectively make concealed handgun licensing obsolete and pave the way for nationwide constitutional carry laws.

[Lliam]

Democrats, who are bought and paid for by the Gun Control Lobby (which is led by New World Order globalists), are determined to squash 2nd amendment rights by any means possible. They tried challenging the 2nd amendment in the Supreme Court but lost. So they've simply been trying to whittle it down ever since.

Fortunately, a lot of Americans values the rights that they have.
There are many local and state pro-2a organizations. Here is a partial list of national organizations.
Liberal Rifle Association, Gun Loving Liberal, Liberals for Gun Rights, Democrats for Gun Ownership, Blue Steel Democrat, Pink Pistols, Armed Equality (LGBTQ), Women Against Gun Control, Mother's Arms, 1 Million Moms Against Gun Control, Liberty Belles, Babes with Bullets, Women's Firearm Network, A Girl & A Gun, Second Amendment Sisters, the National African-American Gun Association, Black Guns Matter, Brown Girls With Guns, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), Jews Can Shoot, Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Law Students for the Second Amendment, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership, National Shooting Sports Foundation, Gun Owners of America, National Association for Gun Rights, Second Amendment Foundation, American Firearms Institute, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Every 2nd Matters, Firearms Policy Coalition, Rifles and Reason, the National Rifle Association, the International Association for the Protection of Civil Arms Rights, and Firearms United.

[exitseven]

wow, that is quite the list

[Lliam]

I know, right? It's obvious that not all liberals are sheep.

[sage2021]

I think it would be best time raise the the age to 21 to buy a gun. We don't need teenagers carrying around assault weapons. A gun to be used for protection and for sport only. And no weapons that are used for killing massive amounts of people all at once should not be sold anymore period! Those weapons are not necessary. The only outcome of those weapons is if you are going to shoot many people all at once.
As for the age to vote, it should be 18. I would rather it be 21. You can't even buy a pack of cigarettes in California unless you are 21.
We could go on and on comparing age to just about anything anymore.
I believe the age is 25 before our brains are fully developed. We need to consider this when picking what age a person is old enough to do each individual thing, i. e., buy a gun, get a driver's license, vote, buy alcohol and cigarettes, etc. One age does not fit all!

[CandiceK]

Other than in war movies, I've never even seen an assault rifle, let alone anyone of any age carrying one around.
I think they should raise the age to buy an assault rifle to 130 years old. It won't matter, because the only people who have them are in the mafia. And I don't think the mafia follows rules.

[sage2021]

@exitseven thank you for the MHO 🌹

[exitseven]

😀😀😀😀

[sage2021]

@Daniela1982 thanks for like 🙂

[Aerissa_Jade]

Stupid is as stupid does. Like all the so-called assault weapon bans, like what assault weapons one cannot even go out and buy one. They are already banned and have been for decades.

[Daniela1982]

That depends on where you live as to whether they are banned or not. In California they are but people still have them.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Daniela1982 Assault weapons are fully automatic... what state allows a full auto gun to be sold brand new, when federal law won't even allow it? Of course there are some older very expensive ones that are grandfathered in.

Semi Auto are not assault weapons, no matter how they look.

Assault weapon is a machine gun.

[Daniela1982]

You can buy a fully auto gun, but you have to pay a tax on it and go through a background check. They are highly regulated - and expensive. If you even want to transport it you have to get the okay from the government.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Daniela1982 Of course you can, they were grandfathered in. I don't believe they are making and selling new ones though.

[Daniela1982]

You can buy one from a class 3 federal firearms licensed dealer. But they tend to be expensive. If you have $20,000 lying around you can even buy a 50 caliber machine gun.

[IsoUser]

I actually already own multiple assault weapons including AR15's and AK47's I am not against the Proverbial Right to bear arms, I think that any teenager shouldn't be allowed to own to own a Military assault weapon until they are 21 or older.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@IsoUser Are yours fully automatic? if not they are not assault weapons. My AR-15 is not full auto thus, it is just a rifle not a assault rifle.

[WindAtMyBack]

Aerissa_Jade - You are confusing assault weapon with assault rifle. Assault rifle is a real thing. Assault weapon has no meaning.

Assault weapon is a term used by anti-gunners to confuse people. Assault weapons are most definitely NOT fully auto. Nor do they have burst mode. The anti-gun crowd uses the term assault weapon to IMPLY that it's a military weapon, which they are not. They imply that it's fully auto, which its not. An implied lie is still a lie.

If the anti-gun crowd actually used the term "assault rifle" they would be called on their lies. But since they use the term "assault weapon" they can say and imply just about anything they want because the term has no meaning.

[Elliegirl]

What the ATF calls a “machine gun” is a firearm that discharges more than one round per trigger pull. Could be full auto or burst fire. For these firearms, while it is true that they can only be sold by a class 3 ffl, any that are made after 1986 are non-transferable. That’s a big reason why they are so expensive. The transferable one that can be owned by private individuals are in limited supply. In fact, if you are a class 3 ffl and give up your class 3 status, any non-transferable items you have in your possession must either be permanently converted to semi automatic or destroyed.

[Daniela1982]

Actually, the ATF have not classified the AR-15 as an assault rifle. A fully auto model is called a CAR-15 or M-16. It is the civilian semi auto model that is called the AR-15.

[razelove]

Buying is different than ownership. It's already 21 to buy pistols, I had a pistol, and a couple shotguns when I was 16, private sales are a state to state thing. Any federal law or executive order won't fly.

ATF background checks and ID are only required for arms dealers making 10k or more a year. Anyway, I'm sure changing the age will impact all those 17 year old gangsters who for sure legally purchased their firearms.

[sunflower00]

Person from Scotland here - no one can go out and buy a gun as easily as you can in America, and everyone is ok with that, we don’t have school shootings/mass shootings and the voting age is 16. I think lowering the voting age to 16 is a good idea, as I know when I was 16 I knew more about politics and what was going on in the world than the majority of the elderly population where I live who have voted for the same party for 50 years. Teenagers are being taught about politics and kept up to date, they are smarter (in some cases) than most people think. In terms of guns, I don’t think anyone of any age should be able to buy a rifle that easily. I think they should raise the age and also make it a lot more difficult to get hold of guns.

[Red_Arrow]

Wrong! 16 year olds can preregister to vote, but cannot actually vote until they have turned 18. As for guns, there are probably many different thoughts on age requirements among Democrats. But they are trying to at least require that checks be run on all people trying to buy weapons. Checks such as background (criminal activity), sanity (not allowing those who are not mentally competent to buy them), registering (so that if a gun is found to have been used in a crime, law enforcement can at least find out who purchased the guy), etc. But it is not likely that they will get such laws on the books. Republicans do not want women to have the right to terminate a pregnancy, even when it is caused by rape, or is an ectopic pregnancy which will end in the death of the fetus, and probably the mother, or when the fetus is still just a non-defined collection of cells. But they refuse to allow their "right" to carry weapons anywhere so they can kill multitudes of people.

[lightbulb27]

16 to vote... no way. that's crazy

I'd say 13 you can get a musket, that is what the constitution would have been committing to at the time written. Kids gotta eat and they get one shot at a deer or muskrat. as well, if they don't like their govt, they can go and protest... with muskets.

18 they can get a six shooter.. self defense. But they can go to military and after doing that, they can other weapons. odd...

21 for pistols with clips, training required. they can drink and shoot now.
35 for semi automatics
45 for Bazookas
65 and a psych test for tanks
95+ for nuclear bombs

[WonderBell99]

I agree with the rifle one. An 18 year old who is still in high school does not need a rifle. He/she can concentrate on studying and getting good marks so that they can secure a good job and provide for their family in the future.

The voting one? Absolutely NOT. 16 year olds should NOT be given the right to vote. I remember when I had just turned 16, I was immature. I have changed a lot in the past year, so the voting age should remain 18.

[Cubus]

In Austria if you're 16 you can vote to Europarliment. I don't know what is the purpose. Like I said above - people at this age know shit about politics.

[Cubus]

About first one: in USA there are various school systems. Some people at 18 are already done with school.

[WonderBell99]

Some 18 year olds are still in high school depending on their birthday. 😊

[exitseven]

@Cubus The purpose is that the democrats keep promising free stuff like free college and young people will vote for that.

[MrCommodore]

Forget Democrats or Republicans, the US has a serious issue of mass shootings, and while access to Automatic weapons definitely makes it easier for these mass shootings to occur, a deeper understanding of those who carry these shootings out is also needed.

There needs to be a more broad-based study into why such terrible events occur, what social or economic situations lead a person to carry out such horrors.

[TommyMountainFigure]

There is no easy answer to the whole gun law thing. personally? I would keep selling guns but ban any form of bullets (Unless licensed ). The right to bare arms still apply, it just means everyone will have to shout BANG instead of shooting each other.

[Debris1]

That makes perfect sense. Democrats want gun control and they want to lower the voting age because teenage voters would usually vote for democrats.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

No I don't think 16 year olds should vote-the gun thing, how can you tell 18 year olds they can't own guns, but they can get drafted or join the army/navy/marines at 18🤷🏼‍♀️

[exitseven]

I think 18 years old is too young to serve in the military too. Especially the way kids are today.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Then they should change the law to make the age older.. But to let them serve/fight for their country at 18, yet tell them they aren't old enough to own a gun is ludicrous

[exitseven]

The drinking age was changed to 18 because it was said if they can serve in the military, they should be able to buy alcohol. The results were plenty of DUI's and accidents. The age was changed back to 21. This is sort of the same thing

[CandiceK]

You left out that that 16 year old voter, doesn't have to be an American citizen anymore. And keep in mind that voter ID is racist.

[MotherEarth2020]

Them morons make no sense. They are just as fucked up as the Republicans.

They way the play off each other. You would Democrats and Republicans were the same party

[cth96190]

There should not be an age restriction.
“… shall not be infringed” means what it says.
What matters is training, not age.
All three of my children were competent with rifles, pistols and shotguns by the age of 10.

[RebeccaBITex2000]

It is 18 to vote where I am at. The hard argument that will happen is you can go fight for your country at 18 and have a gun then, but you can’t buy a gun at 18

[Daniela1982]

I think you have to be 18 to vote. But raising the age to 21 might placate the anti gunners for awhile.

[exitseven]

yes, you have to be 18 to vote. However democrats want to lower it to 16.

[Daniela1982]

They must need the votes or something.

[Cubus]

As for the first - the problem is with people's mentality, not the age. I don't believe rising the age would change anything.
Second - no, it doesn't make sense. Most people at 16 know shit about politics.

[exitseven]

democrats could use more low information voters.

[Cubus]

I don't know how it looks in USA, but in my country most young people vote against the party that is in charge (because they want change). If it's right wing they vote left, if it's left wing they vote right.

[exitseven]

democrats are promising all kinds of free stuff. 16 year old kids will believe it and still believe in Santa Claus too.

[alice55]

Don't really get the point if their parents have guns it doesn't change anything... Too their parents can buy them the gun so

[exitseven]

If the parents or any adult buy them a gun it is a crime.

[alice55]

And how are you gonna prove that? The parents can just say the child stole it and that's it.

[Elliegirl]

I think both are bad ideas, especially lowering the voting age.

[JoyGirl]

Yea, I wasn’t thinking about voting at 16. I was thinking about what was for dinner and track. 🤣🤣🤣

I agree with the rifle age increase. Who knows, it may help.

[EyeKnowMeNahYou]

I agree, make the age for getting a gun higher and yes give them rights to vote I don't see the arm of that they have a conscious mind

[IsoUser]

I am not even touching this with a 10 foot Pole lol, suffice it to say that a juvenile shouldn't own an assault weapon. It's bad enough the Idiot parents that do don't have trigger locks on their weapons and store ammo separately!

[DarkWinterNights]

If they aren’t old enough to buy a gun they aren’t old enough to vote in elections that can effect millions if not the entire country.

[TrueConfection]

They'd better raise the draft age too!

[Screamsgutter]

Wow, beat me to it. They had to do that during the Vietnam war. The voting age was 21 a few years going into the war even though they were drafting18-20 year old. I'm often astounded by the lack of common sense that appears in politics, government and the justice/court system. Why would anyone think it was ethical drafting men too young to vote but old enough to be drafted to fight in a war they have no political say in?

[StickStickity13]

It makes more sense for 16 year olds to vote than 18 year olds to own weapons that can kill dozens of people in a minute

[lofii]

I think 25 should be the age. Not 21. The only people that should be able to buy an AR at the age is ex military

I vote red by the way

[Anonymous]

Voting is a more fundamental right than buying a rifle. You can wait till you’re 21 to go hunting.

[DryGermanGuy]

I would really like to see the statistic, how many people actually go hunting with these rifles... might be between 0,25% and 0,5%?

[Anonymous]

Don't forget they want to drop the age of consent into the single figures, anything for them to spread the Democratic DNA

[foxsquirrell]

I agree with the first part not with the second part.

[bamesjond0069]

No. Should be 40 to vote and must own a gun. If you don't own a gun you cannot vote.

[OddBeMe]

Voting doesn't kill people. Liquor, cigarettes and guns do. So its not like the logic isn't sane.

[Anonymous]

So I guess that means conservatives don't want young people to have a voice, but are okay with them owning a weapon of war to murder people. 🙄

[Anonymous]

Raising the age to buy weapon will not help. People will still go on a killing spree, if you hurt their feeling.

[FunkyMonkee]

Of course! They want it both ways!!

[Anonymous]

Last time I checked, it's not okay for 16 year olds to vote.

[jjj101010]

Not sure about 16 year olds voting but the gun thing may help reduce kids shooting up their schools

[DryGermanGuy]

That would be a start...

[HighValue]

They should raise the voting age to 21.

[MrTaboo]

But its ok for a 5 yo to cut their junk off.

[msc545]

No. 18 for voting.

[WhiteBoyChill]

No. I think people should also only vote once 21

[Anonymous]

Yes you can drink beer at 21.

[CloudMassacre]

I disagree

[MountAverage]

Sounds good to me.