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In your scenario, you're assigning the Gov't in the role as a surrogate parent.
There ARE adoption centers and foster parent processes already set up at the state or county level in every state. This is done to prevent human trafficking or the buying and selling of babies or children. (It's happening anyway, but we all KNOW that's totally illegal!) At least through a Gov't organization, human trafficking is extremely rare, and the new adoptive/foster parents have some reliability the child they're taking responsibility for is who they're told it is.
The only hypocrites are the pro-abortion types that believe the LIES in order to support the killing of the unborn. And yeah, I meant that - killing part. It's not the "lump of cells" or a "cut fingernail".
No one can explain WHY abortion is such a sacred cow for leftists/Democrats/progressives... (whatever their labels are).
You call the right hypocrites, yet the actions of the left prove they're the ones who worship death through the altar of abortion! The left is practicing exactly what you're complaining about - setting up a theocracy, by demanding abortion be available:
-To EVERY ONE
-ALL the time
-Right up to the day of birth
-Even to the point of infanticide AFTER birth!
What is with the left's INSISTENCE and DEMAND to sacrifice babies?
This right here:
"by demanding abortion be available:
-To EVERY ONE
-ALL the time
-Right up to the day of birth
-Even to the point of infanticide AFTER birth!"
... is disinformation, and misinformation. You might find one or two crazies who think that way, but it's not what "the left" is calling for AT ALL.
You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
@loveslongnails -
FACT: NY and VA already have state laws that allow actual infanticide in the case of a botched abortion.
FACT: CA is currently considering amending their abortion laws to allow killing a live birth human up to 2 days AFTER they're born!
Don't bullshit me or anyone else with your leftist LIES. They WANT... DEMAND... abortion be available right up to the day of birth. That's the reason for all those protesters - even in places like NYC and LA where abortion on demand is already in place! Just 1 or 2 crazies? Bullshit!
Why do the leftists/liberals insist on the right to kill unborn babies? What's the reason?
Why would anyone have to support your children? They are your children. Maybe you should learn to be a responsible adult, rather than a bloodthirsty baby killer... It doesn't matter what country you go to or if they have a dominate religion or worship the state in communism. Murder is always illegal by people of society with certain exceptions for capital punishment directed by appointed officials, self defense, or something to that extent. How strictly or loosely laws are applied in different countries depends on the level of corruption. Killing people is a universal no no of civilization. That said Republicans give a lot more to charity to support their community than Democrats. Helping people out is a personal choice. You're not asking people to help you out with your kid, you are asking people to pay more taxes to a central government, so that they can through their own process reallocate that money and spend it on things like funding Nazis in Ukraine to provoke a war with Russia so that defense companies can make money selling armaments. Money that goes into the tax pot goes where ever they choose to spend it. Money that goes to a local food pantry through food donations, goes to feed the poor of a community. Republicans help their neighbors and community way more than Democrats.
What do you mean by support system? Republicans are all about people being 100% able to support themselves, go get a job and pay for things you want. That is a great support system, it allows anyone who wants anything to go for it and be able to succeed if they try hard enough and want it bad enough.
It is NOT the tax payers job to take care of anyone, but the government should get out of peoples way so they can make money easier.
There are a lot of religious organizations that actually do take care of people if your a member of that organization with food, clothing and other support systems.
Exactly!
When you use your god to control women and their bodies you are on the same level as the Taliban, ISIS, Saudi Arabia and other nations and extremists who use religion to limit freedoms.
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Very true.
Being anti-abortion is a good platform for being re-elected in most any Republican dominated district. It doesn't matter what else you stand for, i. e. Majorie Greene, Mitch McConnell, McCarthy, etc., if you're anti-abortion you can win. That's all a politician really every cares about.
They don't support post birth programs at all. Their attitude is once the child is born becomes "well, you should have thought about that before you got pregnant." Their conscience is clear because they "protected the innocent", 49% of which are now born into a situation of poverty, 26% of which are born into a max of 2x over the poverty line.
You need help now? Well, what about your family? Don't have any, or they're living in poverty too, get help from the state. What? The state doesn't have much money to give you and they can't get any from the Feds? That's rough. Oh, so now you're going to be a WELFARE mom? You fucking lazy low-life. Get a job!
That's your basic Republican these days, and for the last 20 years.
Stop smashing their windows, and trying to burn them down.
Y'know if you actually talked to them you might learn something instead of the media telling you what they think and being wrong on purpose. https://www.thewrap.com/cnn-brian-stelter-shredded-by-own-guest-michael-wolff-video/
First of all, when you say that Republicans are pro-life, it tells me that you don't know much about Republicans or conservatives. I can guarantee that a HUGE number of Republicans are just as surprised, disappointed and downright devastated by the ruling as Democrats.
As for the rest of your question, there are two easy answers. First, what makes you think that's even true? Second, it's an entirely different issue.
"pushing their religious beliefs"
Once again, you don't know much about Republicans. Stop listening to the god damn media. They are full of shit.
We do support systems that help women. by the way not all republicans are religious I’m republicans and agnostic. Republicans are more about localism and federalism rather then the federal government helping out people. Government is actually suppose to be your last option especially federal. Your suppose to get support from your local community
1st family
2nd friends
3rd church (most republicans are religious your not wrong about that my point earlier was not all republicans are religious)
4th city government
5th county government
6th state
7th federal
the feds are suppose to be the last line of deffence
Republicans don't generally give a Crap they just want their morals however fucked in the head like Trump off his anti pyschoctic rhetoric and anti eary dementia medications he was in full blown Psychiatric episode brought on by the Idiot's around him including family members who are also deeply disturbed including his Daughter, And Two Sons. Essentially Donald Trump and Wimp Son, Aggressive Son and Daughter are completely complicent in inciting Insurrection along with Douches Mitch McConnell and other Senators
Because the father owns the a pregnant woman's body and the baby is the father's property, so the father will be the one providing child support, expecting free government handouts just makes mothers look degenerate and selfish.
The mothers should first ask what they can do for their country not expect free hand outs like "gibs me monies." Money does not grow on trees. Not treating fathers with respect will only dig a bigger hole for single motherhood.
I am Republican and I disagree with your statement. also, "hypocrites who just care about establishing a theocracy and pushing their religious beliefs onto everyone" I wasn't pushing anything. You trying to start a war here is pushing beliefs or trying to sway others. I rest my case and have fun on the platform.
I see you have been listening to people who have given you false information. Because the pro-life organizations are the largest supporters of women after birth in the entire country. Literally billions of dollars and thousands of Pregnancy Care Centers, Charities, and non for profit organizations around the country are specifically designed to help women after birth and all the way through the child-rearing process.
https://crisispregnancycentermap.com/
There are over four times as many crises pregnancy centers as there are Planned Parenthood clinics.
That's one of many Avenues you can look at that show this is true. And you won't be able to find anything credible that counteracts it
I don't see anything about support after birth on there, perhaps I just missed it?
What they don't do is lay out all the options a woman has.
www.verywellhealth.com/beware-of-crisis-pregnancy-centers-4022903
www.plannedparenthood.org/.../what-are-crisis-pregnancy-centers
Yeah, crisis pregnancy centers are the first stop in a whole chain of medical, financial, educational, Etc Charities and organizations that care for the babies and the mothers.
Part of why this argument doesn't make sense is because the pro-life position is it the baby in the womb is just as valuable as a baby outside of the womb. So it would be extremely hypocritical if the position was that we should only care about the baby until it's born. And while that is the accusation, it's not backed up by any sort of data. When you actually look at the Charities and organizations that are pro-life, they cover the gamut of all of the needs of the woman and baby more than any other organization or movement
As for not offering all the options, isn't that obvious? They're not going to offer the options I think are not pro-life. So that's not really an argument against them
Yes, I always thought about this. All these people telling you what to do. Just like liberal poliicians letting hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens stream across the border and then go back to their gated communities and private security while the rest of us have to deal with the fallout.
Those folks want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't really care about those women and children. They just want to control women.
Because they actually aren't pro life as many of them claim to be. It's B. S. on their part.
They just like being divisive with Democrats. Democrats say left and they say right.
Democrats say up, and they say down, Democrats say cold and they say hot. 🙄
No real conviction of their beliefs they claim.
They don't give a damm about those little babies once they are born.
Because that costs money and it would require them to actually care.
Because typically when women go on maternal leave they take money from the government instead of having their spouse continuing to work and provide for the household like people used too back in the day
They don't believe government should be responsible for a woman's reproductive rights. You get pregnant you are responsible for the child not the tax payer or government.
If they don’t think they’re responsible then they should stay out of our wombs then but that didn’t stop them here did it.
They said individual states should decide meaning voters in those states decide. So if you support it or don't vote in your local and state elections. Remember over 51% of the country are women.
Yeah and half the states have and or will ban/restrict the rights to an abortion. And the worst part is this is just the beginning. Clarence wants to also make contraception, gay marriage and sodomy illegal too. Welcome to the theocracy of America.
Welcome to democracy.
No thats not democracy thats mental retardation. Just because the masses are idiots that believe in a flying spaghetti monster and are easily brainwashed and controlled does not make them correct or worthy of a democracy. Get educated in a civilized society where the government provides for everyone needs then you can talk about a democracy
these people believe in fairy tales from skybeard.
the American welfare system offers help struggling mothers and/or families in times of need. sure it has it's flaws at times but it offers a verity of programs for basic living. plus many churches and houses of worship offer support for them as well.
because REPUBLICAN rather use their monies to pay for folks like Trump to become their actual Jesus Trump. Since Trump is their Jesus, he is on Earth and can perform miracles for them
He's "gods chosen preident"... and these are the same people who, and I wish I was making this up, gathered to await the resurrection of JFK Jr to come and defend Trump
@Sirenboobzilla I call them as I see them
Who says they don't?
I'm all for taxing people identifing as feminists and use that money to support children. Considering how mainstream feminism is, I'm certain a little bit from all feminists could make more money for child wellfare than one average father could, and its all about whats best for the kid
It's because we value this thing called personal responsibility and believe in charity rather than the gov taking your money by force through taxes and deciding based on who is in control who will get it. Churches and Christian organizations help anyone they can and have for a very long time.
@msc545 believe what you want. Thats true.
Way to meaningfully contribute to the conversation. The left consistently proves they are only capable of contributing insults and emotion rather than facts and evidence.
They want people to be responsible for their own actions.
Work and earn your own way in life. Don't expect free handouts.
I don’t know why people think all republicans are pro life, I’m pro choice and so are many others so I don’t know why people who are pro life don’t come up with a plan for taking care of unwanted births when they can’t care for them either
@JohnK123 I was a little off but still in the right ball park. www.pewresearch.org/.../
She’s still entitled to one if she wishes. It’s still her body. She was certainly at fault and in the wrong for tricking the guy though. That’s definitely not right.
all life is sacred. the quality of it is up to you. losers deserve a loser life. carry your own weight or die mad about it. That being said Conservatives donate more money amd time to the poor rhen liberals do almost three fold.
You be able to pull your self up by the boot straps and climb that corporate ladder.
Don't mind the fact you could never afford boots in the first place and some dude walk off with the corporate late 20 years ago.
Considering you're from Australia, both your opinions and your questions about the states are irrelevant. Reason being, your aren't educated enough about oru political system to understand it.
What the evidence to support your incitement? Or that Democrats are any good for families?
I don't know or care why they do it, but you right they definitely don't give a fuck once it's born.
Because theu are not pro life. What they are is "pro telling other what to do."
I am not pro-life, I am anti-abortion and anti-woman.
Sounds about right sadly.
Because those things cost money and Republicans hate spending money on anything but themselves.
Technically a traditional family is a system for supporting children past birth that they are in favour of.
They do. Welfare is one. Tax credits is another. John Hagee ministries , has a charity and houses women so they can have babies and get support. So, keep talking even if you are really wrong.
You’re an Aussie. Why do you care?
I mean I think your country and government are a joke but I don’t go around starting posts about it.
Forgive me for actually caring for people outside my own country. I get that might be a foreign concept to you, empathy.
@HighValue yeah “helped out” not started wars all over the place at all. Totally not a warmongering nation.
@HighValue God you yanks are the pinnacle of arrogance I swear. It’s funny because outside military might you are essentially viewed as a third world country by everyone else due to how poorly you treat your citizens.
@stormmistress And yet in America we don’t throw people into concentration camps for testing positive for Covid. And the way your police officers round up people on the beach for breaking curfew? That’s, uh, really inspiring stuff. 👍
Aussie Aussie Aussie 😂
Concentration camps? Lol wtf are you smoking dude 😂 Nah you just let 1 million of your citizens die from it.
God forbid you wear a piece of cloth to prevent spreading a dangerous virus onto others.
Maybe you should stop using things created by Americans then. You know, things like cars, electricity, phones, TV, internet, etc. See how that works out for you.
In a couple hundred years time, the United States has accomplished more than all other countries combined over thousands of years of history.
I have never seen party more hypocritical than the Republican party or for that matter any party on the right
Because the child has to be born to support post birth systems. First you build fundaments, and after that you build the house and not opposite.
I think a big part of the pro life argument is thinking that sex should have potential consequences because that’s how life was designed
Pro-life, not pro-happy-life or pro-long-life or pro-free-life. They seem to simply not think it through.
Yeah because it's the parents responsibility.
People like you shouldn't have kids. You don't seem that bright.
Moms and kids already have systems like that…. Unless u from the slums or the hood etc… then u had care
Why do Democrats misrepresent every fact that ever existed?
I repeat, woman, I am NOT pro-life, I am ANTI-ABORTION and ANTI-WOMAN.
And i mean it.
Last I heard the systems of family and marriage are working out pretty well
Sadly they are not. The risks and costs of marriage and family have risen drastically for men, the benefits fallen off drastically. You are correct that once upon a time we understood intact families provided for themselves, but when something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it. :(
Not drastically. And while some risks have risen also technology has reduced other risks. Stats still say by far the best opportunity for success as a child is raised in the nuclear family. So for men as you mentioned those raised by a responsible mother and father are in the best system for success
Because she should already have her own support system
Because its not their job to care for them. Thats the husbands job... duuuh
Times like this make me happy I have streaming TV and movies
They do and they exist. In fact, they are common targets for pro-abortion terrorists groups like Jane's Revenge.
What kind of systems?
They do. Ever been to church?
they only care about votes
Yep.
Democrats don’t tho…
How many pro-choice democrats do you think you lost the moment you endorsed killing live/premature but viable babies? Spare me with the "they only care about votes"goofy mofo! According to your own talking points they should be LOSING votes.
Half of you can't even define abortion FFS!
They cannot even define what a woman is. Morons
I 100% DO want to support mothers and babies!
Outta the womb its on you.
They do, it's called FAMILY.
We do. Dems keep voting down those bills
Indeed! Ever notice how these "Woke" feminist groups demand corporations pander to "women's" (Leftist) groups and have so many of them in the boardrooms, but NEVER lobby for a family maternity leave program benefit for the workers?
they do, it is called Family.
Total Bullshit. That's nothing but a talking point.
@loveslongnails
Not at all. Because you dislike the truth, does not invalidate it.
We do, however the left burns them down
Because its against fathers.
No we do
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