If anti-Abortionists are 100% in the right, why do they use subterfuge?

[OddBeMe]

Kansans received this text message that was 100% wrong and misleading. This is like religionists. If you are so sure you're right, why lie?

[slatyb]

Because they know that they are in the minority and that's the only way they can win. They don't want to live under democracy, they want to turn the US into a Christian theocracy.

[Juxtapose]

They are fascist pigs who want to take away bodily autonomy so what do you expect?

[OddBeMe]

We’ll get through this manic depression.

[duttyjamagyal]

Some people lying doesn't mean they're goal is wrong

[Agagagagaga]

Lying is lying. And it’s “their.”

[duttyjamagyal]

Ya lying is lying but he's trying to make it seem like this person lying means their goal isn't the right one. And thanks I guess

[dustybiker]

Excellent point.

[Stoner710]

I say what the fuck does having the right to boat have anything to do with carrying a child to full term in your womb?

yes women should have the right to vote women should not have the right to take somebody’s life men not have that right. If a man doesn’t wanna child and beats the woman who wants a child to forcibly abort the child is that not murder? It’s the same situation if a man wants his child and the woman goes ahead and aborts it. It is the same thing as neither one of them watch child but you decide to kill it anyway. When is a life a life and when does assault turn into a murder?

If a man does not want a kid and force a woman to abort pipe one trauma that’s obviously murder an assault. Right?

what is the difference between example just given and a woman murdering a man’s child?

what is the difference between murdering a child because neither man or woman wants it?

In any circumstance it’s still murder. Is it not murder because the woman doesn’t want to give birth? If so how is it not murder for me to take a Baseball back to my Braden girlfriend stomach? (I don’t have a girlfriend but the question is still valid) what if neither parent wants it said not still murder the answer of course is yes what’s the difference if somebody wants to child or not? Then is it not for your own selfish desires? You ask me what I mean when I quote the Marquis de Sade this is what I mean.

[OddBeMe]

Each person has control over their bodies. If a man causes the termination thats illegal.

[Anonymous]

Hey did you see this? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/male-birth-control-pill-expected-to-start-human-trials-this-year-180979814/

After the recount to verify that Kansans did indeed reject the amendment, some questioning the vote still want to do more recounts. One of them Mark Gietzen "told the Star that he acknowledged the recount was unlikely to change the outcome of the election but said it was part of an effort to search for fraud and he suggested he and his allies would be going door to door to confront voters."

Wouldn't going door to door to confront voters be considered harassment? I thought we had a system where votes were confidential.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Why are you using this as an example against anti-abortionists?

Not understanding. Whoever sent that message got it completely backwards

[goaded]

That's the point, the people who sent it were lying about what people's votes would mean.

Voting yes would remove women's right to choose. They knew more people would vote for a woman's right to choose, so they lied in the hopes of fraudulently gaining votes. Maybe it even worked.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@goaded As far as I’m concerned there must be a reason he blurred the contact information of whoever sent that message.

[goaded]

Probably because it was a re-tweet. "The messages were sent from phone numbers that had been leased by Alliance Forge, based in Sparks, Nev. Founded in 2021, Alliance Forge describes itself as the “nation’s fastest growing political technology company, proudly serving federal, state, and local campaigns throughout the nation.”...

The Alliance Forge client that sent the messages was Do Right PAC, chaired by [former congressman Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.)] Huelskamp, who served in Congress between 2011 and 2017. The PAC has raised more than $532,000 and spent more than $203,000 in support of the amendment, according to a filing last month. Huelskamp did not respond to calls and a text message seeking comment."
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[OddBeMe]

Annoying when one person or event tarnishes the whole community, eh?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Still not understanding why its blurred. Makes me think whoever is sharing it is trying to hide something.

[OddBeMe]

So your first thought is left wing subterfuge?
Not right wing illegal shit?
Just look at past events, mate….

[WhiteBoyChill]

Bud. I could easily send a message to someone reading the exact same thing and then just blur my name at the top

[OddBeMe]

Why dont you do some fckin homework bud and read the major news stories in kansas about this scandal. Jesus christ.

[msc545]

People will do a lot to stop the murder of children.

[goaded]

It won't stop one murder. It will kill women.

[msc545]

@goaded Not as many women as the number of babies killed in abortions. Women are not any more valuable than babies, and arguably less so.

[goaded]

No babies are killed in abortions, and people who have lived life and experienced things are more important than potential lives.

[msc545]

@goaded Babies have a 100% chance of being killed in abortions. What do you think the purpose of an abortion is?

[goaded]

To avoid having a baby.

[msc545]

@goaded And what do you think happens to the baby in an abortion?

[OddBeMe]

The micro-organisms that your car runs over is murderous! I’m taking away your car. Fair?

[msc545]

answer my question please

[OddBeMe]

99% of abortions are in the first trim. So its bean. You call that a baby. Just like I call the micro-organisms all over your car people.

[msc545]

Answer m question, please.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry confused. What q? Yes abortions stop pregnancies. Just like driving cars put more pollution in the air that kill born children with asthma. But no one cares about born children…

[msc545]

Answer my question, please. Third request.

[OddBeMe]

I’m asking which q. I already agreed successful abortions kill 100% fetuses. You wanna call the bean a baby, thats on you.

[msc545]

What do you think happens to a baby in an abortion?

[OddBeMe]

A baby is…(checking definition)…born. So nothing. The fetus dies and the bean gets washed out in the shower when she douches after taking the pill.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 Now answer me. Why do you care more for a bean than born children dying from pollution, hunger, etc?

[msc545]

answer my question please

fourth and last request.

[OddBeMe]

I've answered it. You haven't answered mine. Why skip over starving born children?

[msc545]

why repeatedly skip my requests for an answer?

[OddBeMe]

What Q? I've answered everything

[msc545]

you keep referencing "bean" WTF does that mean?

[OddBeMe]

The fetus is bean sized until 2nd trim.

[msc545]

what possible difference does that make?

[OddBeMe]

The idea of a person should have a nervous system and a functioning brain.

[msc545]

why?

[OddBeMe]

Because without it there's no conscious. If I’m wrong, sorry. But hospitals unplug those patients too.

[msc545]

ou cannot even describe consciousness or state where it is located. You are only referencing a word.

[OddBeMe]

If I get brain damage does my conscious change?

[msc545]

Tell me what you think your "conscious" is and where it is located, and I will try to answer.

[OddBeMe]

Its certainly in the brain. We can literally fck up the brain and fck up consciousness.

Now what it is? Or what part of the brain? Science doesn't know. The genome project mapped dna. The govt is funding more brain research. So we could know in our lifetime.

But common usage is clear: consciousness is us, its what we see, what we remember, our emotions, and its in our brain. Cuz simple damage to the brain changes ALL that.

[msc545]

How do you know it's in the brain? Where in the brain do you think it might be?

[goaded]

"Cuz simple damage to the brain changes ALL that"

[msc545]

@goaded where in the brain is it contained? How does it get there? How and by what is it created?

[goaded]

Throughout the nervous system, by complexity, evolution. But why do you think this is relevant? No brain, no person.

[msc545]

@goaded how do you know that anything is "Throughout the nervous system" ?

[goaded]

How do you know a rock isn't sentient? Come on, man, these questions are getting silly.

[msc545]

@goaded I don't know. Neither do you nor anyone else.

[OddBeMe]

Dude I answered all that. Science doesn't know. But its not in our ring finger. You know brains are where consciousness is. Our hearts aren't souls. Its a sump pump for blood.

you're drowning in science to defend your unscientific feel fact about fetuses. But i admire your passion.

[msc545]

Nobody knows where it is, and nobody can photograph or measure it. It might very well be in your ring finger and you have no way to know if it is or is not.

[OddBeMe]

But again... you damage your brain your conscious changes, right?

[msc545]

Things may or may not change. Correlation is not causation.

[OddBeMe]

Sigh…simple google
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02207-1

[msc545]

not helpful

[OddBeMe]

To you and your whacky arguments. Not sure how we got from abortion to brains and consciouness.

[msc545]

I was just wondering that myself...

[goaded]

It's because a brain and the resulting conciousness is what makes a person a person.

[msc545]

@goaded How do you know that?

[goaded]

People have personalities. Besides, what's your proof it's not the case?

[msc545]

@goaded you cannot even define "consciousness" although you keep using the word as if it meant something.

[goaded]

I know it's something rock doesn't have. Nor a lettuce. Animals do. Fetuses probably do gain it at some point, but certainly not at the point of conception, nor at the first twitches of what will become a heart.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 You have to capitulate that its in the brain. We at least no that. And fetuses in the first trim have no brain. Meet us 50/50….

[msc545]

There is no direct evidence that "it" (whatever you think it actually is) is in any physical location.

[msc545]

@goaded How do you know these things?

[goaded]

Science, basically.

[msc545]

@goaded What science?

[goaded]

Biology. Neurology.

[msc545]

@goaded Naming things or fields of study does not constitute science.

[goaded]

It does tell you where to look, though.

[msc545]

@goaded not that simple. we should stop this.