Why don't people who are supposedly pro life just admit the reason they support banning abortion is because they want to control women?

[Anonymous]

And yes you can be a woman and still have this view, so don't tell me "I'm a woman and I am pro life" crap to excuse yourself of misogyny.

[WhiteSteve]

Well, I think one of the problems is that it gets badly mischaracterized. The detractors will tell you abortions are being performed the day before birth, lmfao, and that’s total bullshit. That’s just a misrepresentation of the spirit of the rule, an abortion of that nature would only be performed if there was some major, potentially deadly complication. Don’t believe for a second that anyone is getting cold feet the week before delivery and just getting an abortion, I mean, c’mon, folks, use your brain for me one time.

Per the CDC:

”Similar to previous years, in 2020, women in their twenties accounted for more than half of abortions (57.2%). Nearly all abortions in 2020 took place early in gestation: 93.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (5.8%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (0.9%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. Early medical abortion is defined as the administration of medication (s) to induce an abortion at ≤9 completed weeks’ gestation, consistent with the current Food and Drug Administration labeling for mifepristone (implemented in 2016). In 2020, 51.0% of all abortions were early medical abortions. Use of early medical abortion increased 22% from 2019 to 2020 and 154% from 2011 to 2020. Source: MMWR. 2022;71(10).”

Only 0.9% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks, that’s like the halfway point of gestation. So please miss me with the idea that fully-formed babies are getting yanked out days before birth, just lmfao, that’s just simply not a thing that happens.

If you still don’t like abortion in light of that, that’s your opinion, and that’s fine, but from there I’d be asking myself if I genuinely care about babies (particularly as it relates to having that same energy of compassion for them as they live their lives, even as adults…don’t ever let that waver, don’t be like “you MUST birth this baby” and then be like “fuck you, get a job, deadbeat” to that same baby in 18 years when life gets real, or complain that your tax dollars assist children who aren’t yours…. don’t ever let your moral compass be steered by your wallet, there’s nothing admirable in that). Do you care about babies, or do you care about women’s sexual behavior? Because a lot of it seems kind of misogynistic, honestly, when you start with the “keep your legs closed!” bullshit. The right wing’s forte is dressing up grievances based upon visceral dislike as a more moral or intellectual objection, because they know without those cloaks, you just look like a hateful asshole, so they have to convince you it’s “right” or “smart” to do something that they just don’t like just because it rubs them the wrong way.

[exitseven]

If it is totally bullshit how come democrats won't admit to the fact that they want women to be able to get an abortion right upbuntil that date of birth?

[WhiteSteve]

@exitseven I’m not a Democrat, so don’t take it from me, but my understanding is that instances of very late term abortion is pretty much entirely medical, where the life of the mother is threatened. You would need to have that allowed as well in terms of law. The fear of “admitting it”, as you put it, I’m sure is likely for just this exact reason, that it’s legality will be misrepresented by pro-lifers to mean that women are just changing their mind willy-nilly in the zero hour and essentially slaughtering an infant, and that’s simply not what’s happening.

[YAsQuen]

Their main argument is that every abortion is ending a human life. Thats the main argument.

[Asker]

Exactly and they love to misinterpret because to the forced birth side, it's all about punishing those they see as their enemy, forced birthers want to be judge, jury and most importantly executioner.

[YAsQuen]

naw this is staged. But go on, say that again i didn't quite get that.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen you are not interested in the child once it's born, that us why I call your side "FORCED BIRTHER."

[YAsQuen]

Nice Strawman u got there.
I told u what the main argument from pro lifers is. Every abortion is ending a human life. Thats the main argument.

Im for allowing abortion in all the usual cases like incest and rape. And of course up to a certain time in the pregnancy. It used to be 3 months (standard in Europe as a hard cut off) but i have dwindeld down to as little as possible Ie. 1 -2 months.

Im fully aware that every abortian is ending a human life and i personally dont wish anyone has to go through it. Im however fine with making the compromise i listed above.
Im fully aware that this is a contradictive position to hold but i nonethless see no better solution currently.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen not a strawman, just the truth, the end goal is enforcing and turning the usa into a theocracy with them in charge and at the top of course.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen also you maybe open to compromise but as many forced birthers told me, they don't care how logical of an argument I make, to them abortion is murder no matter the circumstance and they refuse to change their mind.

[YAsQuen]

can u adress the fact that every abortion is ending a human life?
How would u feel about a upper limit for abortion. Like in women over 33 can't get abortions. Not because im a dick and i hate women but because every abortion is ending a a human life and women at that age should be mature enough to get that under control.

Upper limit for abortions might be as little as 26 ( fully matured brain)

But thats just an idea im throwing out there hoping for a RESPONSE.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen look, to me you seem to be a closet people lifer because the legal defintion of abortion is not murder, yes I am arguing semantics because you are implying it is murder when it is not and no I will not answer your question on "abortion is ending human life" when it is not.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen also your idea is not a logical fact, it's your opinion and not reality.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen abortion is not ending human life and if you are offended by that then too bad.

[Asker]

How about you answer my question now, "do you think abortion should be tried as murder?"

[YAsQuen]

no i dont currently hold the believe that abortion should be tried as murder.

If its not ending a human life. Then what exactly is going on. Would u mind sharing what the extracted part is?

my Idea was some jolly thought i wanted to throw about seeing if i could get a RESPONSE (example response : No thats bad because, Yes that might be fine with women over 33, No that is inhumane because)

i dont care what the definition of a word is (women is no longer adult human female right?)

i answered ur comments bottom up in case ur confused

[Asker]

@YAsQuen no I'm not confused, stop gaslighting me like a chauvinist, since you want to go there.

[Asker]

@YAsQuen abortion is a medical procedure simple as that, not ending a human life, by you saying that you are implying its murder and wrong, abortion is neither right or Wong just a medical procedure, don't like it then don't get an abortion and mind your own business if someone has an abortion, four of my friends had abortion due to risk of their lives, so I will not call abortion ending human life. Killing someone with a gun is ending human life, but why the fo us on abortion, simple you don't want to be accused of being misgonyist so you hide behind "neutrality" so don't give the whole "its ending human life bullshit argument.

[YAsQuen]

what is it then? its living tissue with unique human dna? so is it undead tissue with giraffe dna?

[Asker]

@YAsQuen it's not alive that simple, I'm not playing your game and it's not ending life, there end of discussion.

[YAsQuen]

since u brought up definitions earlier... According to basic biology life starts at inception

Disregarding that. That means you think its dead tissue? how is dead tissue growing? what kinda dna does the dead tissue have? the Moms? the Dads?

[Asker]

@YAsQuen I'm not getting into a moral debate, don't like the definitions then take it up with the publishing companies, also since you want to say that life begins at inception, that is a half truth, if women are responsible for abortion then it's the man's fault because he impregnated her bur you conveniently left that part out.

[YAsQuen]

Its a half truth that biologically speaking life starts at conception?(sorry typo)

When DOES it start when not at conception? Again which is the biological starting point.

[YAsQuen]

WHAT IS INSIDE THE WOMEN THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. WHAT IS THAT.

[JacobJordan]

I wouldn't say I am pro life but I certainly feel that people should own up to the choices they make with some exceptions. the safest way to avoid children is to not have sex. abortion is not a means of birth control. on a side note to that a pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother absolutely should be aborted. lets be realistic if someone shoots up drugs we don't give them a pass for their poor choices. if someone robs a bank we don't let them out of prison early if they go "oops yeah I didn't mean to do that"

[MzAsh]

I think they stupidly believe that banning abortions will force women to “keep their legs closed” until they’re married and ready to have a baby.

[Asker]

Also if a women is forced birther then they don't get a chance to punish other women because they were made to suffer.

[slatyb]

They aren't pro-life because they don't want to support the mother through pregnancy or support the mother and child after birth. They just want to punish women for having unapproved sex.

[Asker]

Exactly, but God forbid you mandate them to get vaccinated.

[slatyb]

The people mandated to be vaccinated where those in a position to infect others. There have been vaccination mandates for almost 100 years.

[RavVid]

Maybe they are desperate to pay child support for 20 years.

I don't think this is making sense. If a woman has pro-life views it is misogyny. I imagine a male view supporting abortion is misogyny since it lets men off the child support hook. Feminists have long been against women having babies so they're misogynists too.

Every body hates women - women, men, and feminists

[exitseven]

Maybe they don't like the idea of a baby being killed a day before it is due to be born.

[goaded]

That never happens in, you know, reality.

[exitseven]

@goaded When asked this by conservatives Democrats always refuse to answer the question. This does happen and it is murder plain and simple. Democrats and the fake news just cover it up.

[goaded]

OK, show me evidence.

[exitseven]

@goaded they cover it up. HIPAA regulations will not release the records. Democrats refuse to answer the question because it sounds so reprehensible but that is exactly what we are dealing with.

[Asker]

There is a reason we have HIPPa, you have no right to the records, how about we get a hold of your medical records and see how many times you get checked for stds and we can assume you are a closet homosexual.

[Asker]

Why don't you answer my question, just admit you want to control women.

[Asker]

@exitseven, why don't you answer my question and admit you want to control women.

[MzAsh]

They don’t have to like it. Why they do think they have to like or approve of everything people do?

[Asker]

@MzAsh because the forced birth movement think they own morality and others sexual lives especially women. Because if a woman can have control over their sex life and reproduction then misogynistic men will have no chance of finding a partner out of desparation.

[goaded]

@exitseven I'm certain that HIPAA doesn't stop the collection of statistics.

[Asker]

@goaded statistics yes, but these idiots want all the information, why do you think that they go to clinics that offer abortion and illegally take down license plate info, to punish them the way they want too.

[goaded]

Look, @exitseven, the thing is there are two types of abortion. One is where the pregnancy is not wanted, and they tend to be early and safe (unless some government insists on delays to make things less early and less safe), and the other is essentially an end-of-life decision, akin to having a family member brain dead and kept alive by machines but with no hope of survival.

[exitseven]

I do not want to control women. I have recently knew somebody who has given birth prematurely. She had twins 10 weeks before their due date. A short 20 years ago these babies probably did not stand a chance but they just celebrated their first birthday. Even though they were undersized and hardly resembled human babies, one of them squeezed my finger. In a different scenario these little people might have been thrown in the trash. I am not against abortion but I am against murder. Somebody needs to make a scientific assessment on when a fetus becomes a person. The Pope cannot make that decision and neither can Joe Biden.