Which is Worse: Email Server or Stealing Nuclear Documents?

[OddBeMe]

didn't go well for the last people to steal nuke docs

Rosenbergs: executed for giving Russia nuke documents

Email server!!!

Nuclear documents

[MustStrokeCat]

This seems like a dishonest, leading question deliberately framed to portray one option as being far worse than the other.
Let's remember that the reality is that "email server" = having thousands of classified documents on a server that was found to have been hacked by foreign nations, and "stealing nuclear documents" = a former president holding classified documents (which is entirely legal and routine) in a safe in a locked room at a highly secure private property that had only very recently been inspected by the FBI and had been secured in accordance with their recommendations.

It's also worth adding that anything pertaining to nuclear weapons launches would be irrelevant within less than 1 day of it being taken from the White House, given that all nuclear launch authorization data is changed every several hours. It also relies on the agreement of no less than 42 separate individuals just to launch a single nuclear weapon, so even if Trump had stolen viable nuclear launch authorizarion data, it'd be useless unless he'd also somehow managed to install 42 die-hard loyal operatives into all of those positions.
And if the documents are supposedly other nuclear secrets, then why didn't the FBI object to them previously when they were recently at Mar-a-Lago searching through all of these same documents (after which visit they asked Trump to have an additional lock installed on the archive room)?

The whole thing makes no sense and stinks just as much as every other attempt to smear or criminalise Trump. And I don't even like him! I think he's an embarrassing egomaniac, but that doesn't mean I'm going to just abandon moral principle and ignore these repeated, completely transparent attempts to persecute somebody who's done nothing illegal whilst completely ignoring the totally rotten activities of his political opponents, such as the Clintons and the Biden family in Ukraine and China. It's insane, and this abandonment of principle just to satisfy some a personal vendetta or to push a political agenda will destroy the US. If you think it's fine while it works in your favour, then you're myopic in the extreme because history has proven that once a country goes down this route, there's no going back and ultimately everybody loses.

[OddBeMe]

Do you work in the energy department and know if these docs are irrelevant to anyone with a crowbar?

[Agagagagaga]

Some of us have actually worked with and around nuclear missiles in the military. Which is why we find the whole “nuclear documents” line as a reason to raid his home completely laughable and nonsensical.

[zagor]

Why do you continue to defend Trump, whose OWN ADMINISTRATION called him unfit for the presidency? Regardless of the current allegations, he needs to NOT BE POTUS.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Trump plays by the rules... I don't blame him. It's just another nothing burger by the left. Hilary's bs... that literally would've gotten Trump in prison, but she's a Democrat. ... I'll put it like this... if they go after Trump, then why didn't they go after H. Clinton? I think even if you're a rabid NPC you might start to see the far left has taken over the normal left... they need to fix their shit before they get back in the game. Otherwise it's going to keep going, and yeah you have a Trump now, but you'll earn yourself a Hitler if you keep pushing nothing but bullshit.

The blue no matter who hasn't changed there minds about shit... but this bullshit just lost the indepent non-partisan voters. They've seen, and well see more, of what this current left wing is going to get us... this isn't your Kennedy or Bill Clinton, or anybody that's going to help you... this is the same Biden Kamala put on blast before she was looking at VP, and Oboma said to never to under estimate what he can fuck up.

The right is rearranging from the old to something new... the left is going to have to play catch up and find some standard unchanging principles to stick to again... because as it stands now it's just the same process for them... sell you the dream, get your votes, and then opps sorry you don't get the dream but I do.

[purplepoppy]

One sounds a stupid mistake by someone not fully aware of Internet security and the other a serious act of treason with potentially devastating consequences. One should be re-educated the other treat as a war criminal.

[bean2k21]

You can't be serious. The government gives you an address that ends in. gov and you don't know you're supposed to use it for official communications?

[OddBeMe]

Lets not beat around the bush, even Trumps people used private email to block FOIA requests.

[purplepoppy]

FOI is a complete farce. You just have to stamp a document confidential to avoid it being disclosed. Plus it wastes huge amounts of man hours dealing with requests by conspiracy theorists and people with an axe to grind who just want to be a nuisance.

[OddBeMe]

Ehh, foia requests can be taken to court. A judge can decide to release them. Its a powerful tool that other “democratic” countries dont have. Try asking for a govt doc in the UK….

[purplepoppy]

In the UK government departments will give you documents as long as it doesn't identify individuals.

[OddBeMe]

Can you make fun of politicans in UK? there's some laws around that isn't there?

[purplepoppy]

Ridiculing politicians is almost the national sport here. We don't do the American thing of idiolising them here.

[OddBeMe]

"No extracts from parliamentary proceedings may be used in comedy shows or other light entertainment such as political satire," says the bizarre and anachronistic clause“

[purplepoppy]

I've never heard that one. But I wouldn't have thought an extract would be that funny anyway.

[OddBeMe]

I just hear a lot of free speech issues in Europe. Not to throw antiquated laws at you. UK is prob 99% like US.

[purplepoppy]

Unless your promoting the harm of a group in some way you can say what you want. So for example I can write pages on why I disagree with Islam but I can't make threats against people or shout abuse at them in the street.

[OddBeMe]

anti-lgbt guys are up in arms about some scandanavian law of misnaming someone. which isn't helping.

[Snsl153]

We have no idea what was in those emails though. They may have also been "nuke secrets".

[QuietRunner]

@snsl153 totally agree

[OddBeMe]

Werent the emails investigated?

[Snsl153]

I don't know. Were they? I never heard about an actual investigation into them.

[OddBeMe]

Oh you know what? We’re not in law enforcement. Thats why. (Slaps forehead)

[Goforit1010]

First of all, we don't know what the FBI took from Mar-a-Lago. We're were told they broke a lock that Trump was asked to put on a room, when the National Archives people were just there in June. Until information is given on what documents were retrieved, this is pure speculation. EVERY story ever told about Trump by the MSM is ALWAYS negative. Therefore, I believe this "nuclear documents" BS about as far as I can throw my house.

Secondly, its been PROVEN that Hillary DID have over 3000 classified emails on her personal server. That alone will get you tossed in jail. But, because her last name is Clinton, and she's a communist, they're overlooking this. Classified information is on a separate network in the Gov't that NEVER connects with the unclassified one. Someone HAD to manually copy that information (illegally on a thumb drive) and then forward it Hillary's personal mail account.

Additionally, it's been PROVEN her personal server WAS hacked by multiple foreign countries, including N. Korea, China, and Russia.

It's one thing to possess nuclear information (under lock and key). It's completely another to illegally have classified emails OUTSIDE of their contained network and in a location that purposely allows our enemies to access that information. At this point, Hillary SHOULD be in a orange jumpsuit for the rest of her life!

[sage2021]

@Goforit1010 I think Hillary destroyed 33,000 emails, not 3,000. ?

[Goforit1010]

@sage2021 - Hillary destroyed roughly 33,000 emails that were "supposed" to be part of the evidence that was collected on her. In ADDITION, 3000 emails on her PERSONAL server were discovered as "classified" information. Remember, she was Secy of State during Obama's 2nd term and had access to a vast volume of that info.

Her personal server was found to be in a "bathroom" supply area of a small business that provided IT for support for her. That specific server of hers WAS hacked multiple times by enemies the US. The classified info ranged from "Confidential" level through "Top Secret - eyes only". Thanks to the hacking, that information found its way to the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans, and likely others!

Everyone who has a security clearance (yours truly included) is required to take annual training on how to handle this type of information to keep it safe. I could go into extreme detail about the screw up that Hillary did, but suffice it to say that witch belongs behind bars for that shit for the rest of her life. She SHOULD be shot for treason, compared to the other spies the US has caught in the past. But she gets away with this because her name is Clinton and she's a Democrat.

[sage2021]

@Goforit1010 thank you for mansplaining it to me 🤭. Seriously, thank you for taking the time to set me straight. I appreciate it. 🌹

[Goforit1010]

@sage2021 - "Mansplaining" wasn't my goal, but there are quite a few other people who are completely ignorant about Hillary's activities. Some of them are not American. There are also quite a few leftists/progressives that read this stuff still doing what Reagan said - "There's just so much they don't know...". Unfortunately, they have Hillary on a pedestal and are more than willing to crown that b-itch as queen of America.

[Avicenna]

No matter how many times Trump's persecutors violate laws and his rights and push lies that get discredited in their attempts to get him, Marxists continue to accept rumors and statements attributed to "anonymous sources". At this point, no reasonable person would believe a newspaper article in the Washington Post that cites an "anonymous source". And, unsurprisingly, there is no evidence that Trump had what the newspaper irresponsibly cites.

At this point, the eagerness displayed by Trump's persecutors (in some cases even to kill him) is a concern not just for him, but for due process in general as well as basic freedoms. If they do it to him, they will do it to anyone else.

[OddBeMe]

You see marxists in your soup…

[Avicenna]

You've proven yourself to be one- no normal person would want to execute Trump based on some anonymous rumor of possession of nuclear documents. Yet you have suggested he gave them to Russia and will be executed for it. That's totally sick.

[OddBeMe]

Never said i wanted to execute trump. A fair trial would be great. Same for hunter.

And marx had some good ideas. But all govt spending doesn't amount to socialism.

[WindAtMyBack]

Safe at home vs sent over an insecure network for the whole world to see. Hmmm

I lived most of my life in an area with large numbers of people with security clearances, including two of my family members and most of my neighbors. You DO NOT EVER SEND SHIT OVER AN INSECURE NETWORK.

They aren't supposed to take stuff home, but people do it all the time and it's not a big deal. When it's a "snow day" in winter when stuff is shut down, people work at home. But you don't send it over the Internet.

The computers they use are not even connected to the Internet. They have one computer that is not connected to the Internet for secure work , and a second computer they can use for Internet research.

The networks are being monitored by unfriendlies 24/7. They are hacking into those networks every day. You don't put classified stuff on those networks, not ever. Anyone who works with classified information knows that.

[NaultD]

The Email server scandal is best described was a security oversight that wasn't clearly defined yet. Nuclear Documents in contrast are being actively sighted and well defined.

The reality is we vote in old people who don't understand how the internet works let alone phones. The government intelligence agency uses a proprietary blackberry phones for security purposes but old people need Apple IPhones or Google Android to interact with the interface. The don himself also had a big problem with this issue as president with his phone security.

[Lookingforthetruth]

making excuses for Democrats but condemning republicans.

[NaultD]

@Lookingforthetruth I'm making excuses for old people not being able to use phones vs condemning paper nuclear Documents being anywhere outside of federal control.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@naultd Your making excuses for a woman having thousands of classified documents on a server that was found to have been hacked by foreign nations over a guy that had classified documents in a safe at his private estate. Your literally trying to excuse Hilary of breaching national security by going "oh she doesn't know how the internet works".

[MAC1983]

You know Russia hacked that server and was supporting Trump the whole time right? The distinction seems to be important.

Particularly now Trump has nuclear documents, who could be used for pressuring the USA by Putin, seized by the FBI.

But, you know, you're looking for the truth. Maybe you'll find it someday.
Try and find one instance where Trump criticized Putin. That might be a good rabbit hole to go down.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@MAC1983 You know Russian collusion has been found false multiple times right? Anyone still believing in that shit is an idiot.

[MAC1983]

That's really funny. You must be looking for the truth in your navel.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@MAC1983 Sorry I tend to stop listening to people once I realize they are idiots.

[MAC1983]

You must be such a silent person.

[Slingblade1126]

@MAC1983 I remember Trump telling all NATO members to stop buying oil from Russia. That's more than simple criticism. That is actually taking one of his biggest sources of income from him. Compare that with the current administration.

[OddBeMe]

@Lookingforthetruth you sound like an ideologue who could never go against your fuhrer.

[TroyDT]

I despise both of them but a few observations:

1. The FBI knew for 18 months that Trump took boxes of documents. If this were a real issue why wait?

2. The FBI knew that the boxes were secured.

3. The documents were obviously taken while he was still POTUS.

4. While POTUS he had authority to declassify anything.

5. There are documents showing that he directed the declassification of at least some of the items taken.

6. Hillary was not POTUS and had no declassification authority.

7. She actually destroyed the documents

Also, Mr. Obama, whom I do not despise despite disagreeing with him on most issues, also took a lot of documents when he left office and, despite agreeing to return or at least scan those for the National Archive, has not done so more than five years later.

[Anonymous]

Stealing nuclear documents sounds pretty bad to me!

But wait, are the people telling us this the same people who told us about Russian collusion only to have an investigation turn up no indictment?

Or are they the people who told us there was a video of hookers and pee? Where IS that video?

Or are they the people who told us the Hunter Biden laptop was DEFINITELY fake Russian stuff, only to later say that. . . yeah that was for real?

Hmmmm. . . seems like maybe we should wait until there are a few. . . what's the term? FACTS that we can verify.

Just a though. From a guy who is NO fan of Trump, by the way.

[Lookingforthetruth]

James Comey said in 2016 that a Hillary had classified documents on an unsecure server which could have been breached by foreign enemies. He said she repeatedly lied about sending classified documents from the server. He said she lied and they showed that she sent over 2,000 emails which included classified information, labeled classified, from that server. He pointed out that she had classified documents in an unauthorized location, she mishandled those documents in a way that they could have been intercepted by foreign enemies, and she repeatedly lied about the documents. He then said, but there is nothing that points to a prosecutable crime.

[Danzigdawson]

Hillary's server was against standard practices within the government at the time, but it wasn't actually against the law. The worse she possibly could have suffered were administrative sanctions.

But it's pretty obvious that stealing nuclear secrets is worse, especially when the thief is an angry orange man-child who'd do just about anything when he's having a tantrum.

[ManOnFire]

Definitely nuclear documents. by the way, before Trump, presidents were not allowed to use their own Twitter accounts for security reasons, but when Trump got in office he didn't care and broke the rules. So he's still worse than Hillary.

[sage2021]

@ManOnFire I don't see how anyone can even compare that bitch to Mr. Trump. There is no Comparison at all!

[ManOnFire]

@sage2021 Of course there is. Everyone made an enormous deal out of the Hillary's emails thing only because they hated her and even hated that she would be America's first female prez. If any other politician had've been in her shoes with that emails thing, no one would've hunted them down as badly. Trump put national security in danger twice: having Twitter, and letting Jan. 6 happen. Far more dangerous.

[Mac-One]

Both are bad if intentional abuse and an attempt to cover up. One intentionally destroyed the evidence after being subpoenaed. One received documents that were packaged by another and shipped by a third party (not being personally aware of the contents) and was currently negotiating the return of the documents.

[exitseven]

Eamil server.

Trump did not have any nuclear documents. It has been shown that everything in his house was declassified. Trump is insisting that everything be made public so America can see it was just another witch hunt from democrats.

[monorprise]

Its unfortunately theses people live in a world of lies.

[Curmudgeon]

Ah yes, the "super classified" documents that The Deep State could not even be bothered to notice for over a year and a half, until now, when there is going to be a comeback campaign in 2023-2024. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[spartan55]

I don't know man, seems pretty obvious to me. I haven't heard the Trump crowds defense on this one yet.

[loveslongnails]

This was a "personality" vote, not a seriously looked at response, in my opinion. The words "nuclear" and "Trump" in the same sentence and far more frightening than anybody's name plus e-mail server.

[FilmGuy93]

Seeing as how Trump never denied (at least not to my knowledge) having the documents, I don’t know really know how these situations are comparable. Also, the issue with trump is holding documents, the issue with Hillary was deleting them.

[Ill_made_Knight]

we don't know for certain that any of the documents Trump took contained nuclear information yet. BUT the inventory showed that some of them WERE top secret.

[Anonymous]

Emails can contain documents, including nuclear documents and probably worse stuff too. We don't know for certain what the documents Trump "stole" contained, and we shold be wary of of trusting anonumous, possibly fake sources. Unless of course for the sake of equality you want us to ensure we give full trust to anyone who has something negative to say about people sjws likes.

[BeMuse]

What you are doing is setting Obama and Clinton up for a major fall while thinking you are attacking Trump. It's hilarious.

[BeMuse]

But lets burst your bubble with the law just to rub it in...

[Lookingforthetruth]

what exactly does this mean?

[ElementoP]

Well they didn't do fuck all to Trump until they found out he's running for sure

What nuke documents?

Oh ya, the ones they planted. Those nuke documents

[letuswaltzforthedead]

Probably the emails since that one (as far as its known) is actually true. It's a shame that the country has come to this either way.