So…Biden isn't running again. Repubs might win and then Pardon Trump, right?

[OddBeMe]

Yep, in a heartbeat

Ehh, not sure

No, Repubs wouldn't pardon Trump

[ObscuredBeyond]

I'm considering Ann Pippin for 2024. If she gets the Constitution Party nomination, that's where my vote goes. After that I really don't care what happens to Trump. I want Lawrence reversed to the extreme, Lolita Express extinct completely, everyone on Epstein's flight log incinerated, the Kinsey Institute extinct, CRT curricula banned, Wokeism to be no more, the Patriot Act repealed, NAMBLA and all the drag queens hunted down until they can't even find refuge in Antarctica, CPS defunded, and every bureau lacking constitutionality decommissioned! As well as the complete reformatting of US currency. Death to the banksters! Every federal bureau agent that has run roughshod over a civilian's civil rights should be made to be grateful there's still an 8th amendment, lest I get creative!

[Keyboardkat]

You sound rather nihilistic! You don't like anything or anybody, on either side! And you want everything wiped out! Maybe you want to be the only person left alive on Earth?
There was a time when people in this country could be civil to one another, and could disagree without "needing" to kill each other. That was called civil discourse. What happened to that? I think it started in the '60s when students went on strike citing "non-negotiable demands." That ain't how it works, folks! We need to relearn how to treat people we disagree with, with respect, as we would want to be treated. You don't shout down or shut down someone you disagree with. You listen, as you want to be listened to. You might actually learn something!

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Keyboardkat : I didn't state killeveryone.@ The chomos, perhaps. Otherwise, I want all the corruption eliminated. I didn't list everything, only half of everything that is corrupt.

America had barely any of those when it started, and was working on eliminating the vices it did have. Cue two world wars, banksters, Kinsey, Scopes, and Operation Paperclip. Suddenly, we've morphed into everything that men like Patrick Henry rightly despised!

Reversing Lawrence and wiping out Epstein's entire operation and everyone who was a part of it sees the gallows liberate the world from the worst predators ever to exist, who breed corruption in everything they touch, like a ringworm infection!

It also is the death knell of rainbow propaganda, which has bred all manner of cruelty, corruption, and injustice.

The Patriot Act, so misnamed, is why BLM rioters can get so many free passes to do as they do, but regular Joes just making an honest living, when they don't fall for the statist narrative, are literally treated as al-Queada within their own country! Where YouTubers have been subjected to violence far worse than the raid on Mar-a-Lago, and for far worse nonsense, over false claims, for far pettier allegations. Where police in Wyoming can completely destroy a man's mobile home for no discernible reason, then claim qualified immunity so the homeowner can't sue them over a warrantless raid and destruction of his home! Where officers randomly beat half to death a random pedestrian for witnessing their excessive brutality in beating a man who merely clipped someone while riding a bike, but was treated like El Chapo for it. Both victims barely survive, and the cops acted astounded when Florida denied them qualified immunity!

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Keyboardkat : Most bureaus are unconstitutional. They have abused power they don't even lawfully possess! Shut them down!

If the corrupt statists aren't reaching for a change of pants, or plotting to assassinate a duly elected representative out of sheer terror of being held accountable for all they've done to harm and infringe on us, we don't have sufficient liberty.

[blissinanarchy1]

You know what, you sound like somebody worth debating with. BLM isn’t into rioting too much. 93% of all BLM protests have been peaceful. See, BLM is a group without formal requirement of anything for membership. Anyone can use the name and act under that freely, so when those who wrongfully use that name commit violent acts, negativity always outshines the peace. People don’t forget the bad deeds but never remember the good. Yeah, any diaper snipers, chomos, etc need to get the fuck beaten out of them and murdered. I haven’t heard the word “chomo” since I was in prison. We beat this child molestor with soap in a sock lol. Drag Queens disturb me honestly, but I don’t feel execution is appropriate. Any NAMBLA need to be tortured. DHS/CPS/CYS are very underfunded as it is, which is why the workers are fucking shitty, group homes are shitty, the shitty workers are undertrained, there aren’t enough of them so each may have 100 cases, so barely any get personal time. I don't know what lolita express is tbh.

[Keyboardkat]

Pardon Trump for what? He hasn't been convicted of anything! So far, everything he has been accused of has turned out to be a hoax! It's time for this war, this vendetta, whatever it is, to stop! It's has been a waste of our time and of the taxpayers' money. And remember, there is a Constitutional principle of "innocent until proven guilty" that applies even to ex-presidents you may not happen to like! Level the playing field. Treat Trump exactly the same way Hilary Clinton was treated when they discovered classified servers in her home!

[OddBeMe]

Wasn’t trumps cronies pardoned before they were convicted? Pardons means you admit guilt in order to get it.

[Keyboardkat]

In the mean time, we have a whole army of Trump haters who want him convicted of anything and everything without trial, just because they hate him! That's why we have a Constitution! When he was first elected, before he had taken office, before the man had even DONE anything, there were people carrying signs and chanting, "Impeach the bastard!" There were those chanting, "Not MY president!" I don't know of any other president who has been treated this way, and IT'S JUST DAMNED WRONG, folks! You don't go on a fishing expedition, saying, "Let's find SOMETHING, ANYTHING we can use." That's not how it works. If that's how it works now, then this is not the America I grew up in, and this is rapidly becoming an America I don't want to live in anymore! This is a government of LAW! It is NOT a government of MEN (people) where the law depends on who is in office at any given time, and who you happen to like or don't like!

[blissinanarchy1]

Trump is a conman. His cult finds a justification for anything he does and believes his lies. He needs to be executed. Anything that might catch him up, his cult chalks up as fake or a lie.

[TroyDT]

" Pardons means you admit guilt in order to get it."

Absolutely false. The obiter dictum in Burdick was an opinion, not a matter of law or precedent. It is a simple fact that pardons are often used when evidence shows that the accused, after conviction, was not actually guilty. Heck, Trump's pardon of Jack Johnson was for an illegal ex post facto conviction for violation of a statute that was not yet in effect when the allegedly illegal act took place.

[katiesmuff]

Sounds like you got the cart in front of the horse at this time. Long way to go before that scenario could take place and to answer your question I'm not so sure that a Republican President would actually pardon him.

[OddBeMe]

Uhh you just described mainstream media. But you’re absolutely right.

[Keyboardkat]

It sounds like Purple Poppy has got him tried and convicted in her own mind! That's not how the system is supposed to work! And we DON'T TRY CASES IN THE NEWS MEDIA! At least in the Amereica I know!

[purplepoppy]

Surely if he's selling military nuclear secrets that warrants a firing squad anyway so any it's only going to be a posthumous pardon anyway

[OddBeMe]

Only black people get firing squads. Doesn’t matter if they’re guilty or not.

[Keyboardkat]

Selling military secrets? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Do you even know?

[OddBeMe]

@Keyboardkat He’s right. Trump could have been just fulfilling his Putin promise for komperamat.

[Keyboardkat]

There was ZERO evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, yet you keep raising that as if it were fact. It was NOT fact! Adam Schiff is a lying, unprincipled scumbag who will say anything. He said, "I have the evidence right here." He had zilch! The whole thing was a fraudulent attempt by the a leftist Dems to bring Trump down. What the hell ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Apparently that applies to everyone except Donald Trump! It is absolutely mind-boggling!

[blissinanarchy1]

Huh. Maybe I got you confused, but I thought you were on the other side of social justice spectrum, that you're beliefs were black people are whining for no reason?

[Stoner710]

Trunk might actually be the President in 2024 he could run from jail. It’s been done before look up a guy named Eugene debs he was a socialist who ran for President agains Wilson TR Taft Wilson he was in prison while running against.

[OddBeMe]

I need to look that up, but I beleive felons can’t run for elections. Just like vote in them.

[Stoner710]

Yeah it’s kind of one of those interesting situations there are certain things like treason that would bar him from running for our political office but if it’s obstruction of justice or something like that yeah he could run from prison. Now it’s unprecedented that somebody who is running from prison could win but we’re talking Trump here. One of the very very (1 billion years later) very rare cases where he could win. I think Eugene debs got 20% of the vote when it was Taft v TR V Wilson v Eugene Debs. That election was weird. But as far as the constitution goes I am barred from running from office because I’m 29 even AOC is barred from running from office because she is 32 and wanted me of age until after 2024. But the only two‘s doctors that bor you from running for office is below the age of 35 which I am so is AOC and they have to be born in the United States both me and AOC meet that stature. One of those weird legal things my brother is a convicted felon and 49 years old he could still run for president if he chose to.

[MuddyMole]

Why on Earth would they do that? Senior republican politicians couldn't give a shit about Trump, and most of them actively despise him. He served a purpose in keeping the Democrats out of power and allowing the GOP to appoint lots of conservative judges etc, but now he's just an embarrassment and a liability. They, as a party, want to get away from him as soon as possible, but as individuals, they're too spineless to risk upsetting him and incurring the wrath of his supporters.

[DarkWinterNights]

Nearly all the establishment GOP that have opposed Trump have been voted out of office. The top levels of the GOP may dislike him but they aren’t representative of the party which has shifted hard toward populism.

[MuddyMole]

@DarkWinterNights It doesn't matter. The top levels of the GOP are still the ones making ALL the decisions. People like Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Matt Gaetz and Josh Hawley are great at chatting a lot of nonsense to keep the MAGA crowd engaged (ordinarily, they're the kind of people who would have no interest in politics), but when Mitch tells them to jump, they ask "How high?".

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Indeed

[DarkWinterNights]

I don’t think they are going to need to pardon Trump. After 6 years of investigations and news article after news article about the “walls closing in on Trump”, I think it’s all BS. He’s either a mastermind that has outsmarted everyone. Or he’s just one of the cleanest politicians we’ve ever had. Cause I guarantee not a single politician that’s “served” for more than one term could have weathered all of these investigations.

[VforVindication]

The whole two party thing is a lie in my opinion. Trump showed it by being a two faced phoney who would do the opposite of what he would say. He was against the vaccine then switched to advocating for the vaccine. They kept saying he would cause a nuclear war so he made peace with everyone knowing that but that is pretty much the only thing he did well. He did open our eyes to fake news but i still don't trust him. Just another black hat puppet.

[abc3643]

Even if Donald Trump was pardoned for any Federal crimes, that does not make him immune from state prosecution of other crimes.

He's going down.

[CasaNorba]

damn not sure if I should be happy or terrified. happy because we will be free from alzhiemer Biden or terrified that Kamala will probably run instead

[OddBeMe]

Not sure. Kamala would have been out in front the whole time. I think they realize she ain't electable. But call could change next two years.

[Guy13]

Republicans are going to win as long as the Democrats are not cheating at the poles and on the voting equipment again !!!

[goaded]

People like you are going to be extremely dangerous when Republicans lose again. You won't accept that it's simply because their policies are extremely unpopular and they're hurting people (women especially).

[UCrayCray]

@goaded
I win or you cheat is the new right wing mantra.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray there is no fucking way Biden was the most popular presidential candidate in the USA history and also got more black votes than Obama. You have to be crazy to believe that.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Your inability to believe something has no bearing on facts.
Many of those votes were not FOR Biden so much as AGAINST Trump.
That’s certainly much easier to believe than the idea that half the country participated in a coordinated effort to rob Trump.
Did you know Trump cried theft when he lost against Cruz. Do you believe that claim as well?

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray I believe that what is being claimed for the election is simply not possible. Look at how many people Biden Drew in for a crowd at versus Obama you really want me to believe he drew in more black people than Obama?

Trump was actually not that unpopular, he was a lot better than George W Bush and I lived through that fucking hell. He was the worst president I have seen in my 33 years of existence and Obama seemed like one of the only genuine candidates we have gotten from the left which gave him incredible momentum because of how bad Bush was.

There's no fucking way Biden outdid Obama no matter how many mean tweets Trump tweeted out.

[Juxtapose]

Romney had to deal with Bush's legacy and his "corporations are people my friend" comment. There's NO WAY Trump is less popular than Romney was, who inherited Bush's legacy.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Again, your inability to believe something has no bearing on facts.
Trump was unpopular enough to lose the last election.
I don’t know what else to tell you.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray nah, he was popular enough to cheat against. Why do you think they are raiding his home right before election season? The criminal FBI is trying to intimidate him.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose "Trump was actually not that unpopular" - he was the only president to never reach 50% approval in the history of polling going back to 1945.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/.../

[Juxtapose]

@goaded if that's the case I would blame that on the organized attacks by the media against him. People really want him back and the people that don't like him are the pronoun sjw weirdos.

It's becoming increasingly clear that Trump is the needed counterweight to this sjw menace.

[Juxtapose]

What do the Democrats have to possibly oppose him? They already got rid of Bernie Sanders by publicly humiliating him and stripping him of all his credibility. Elizabeth Warren bent the knee to Hillary Clinton as well.

We all know the current Democratic party is just another neo-con party, there are no actual liberal parties.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Or…. and I’m not saying this is a fact, they found what they were looking for at his place. We don’t actually know at this point. What are you going to say if he did take and actively hide the documents in question? Do you support his prosecution if his actions are, in fact, criminal?
Or have you already decided that there is no way he did anything criminal and any actions taken against him is simply an attack?

Oh, and you didn’t answer my other question. Do you believe Trump’s claim that Cruz stole the Iowa win?

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray I don't care about what he said that Cruz.

Well I do not trust this entire investigation in the first place because the January 6th committee is demonstrably using false evidence. For example they used Tim Pool as an example of a far right winger inciting people and they misquoted him.

youtube.com/.../Ugkx6ZA4Vtvc0PI88_KghZmIpdcWz-Bvp3T8

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Of course you don’t care what he said about Cruz. Acknowledging it would mean you have to admit there’s a bit of a pattern when it comes to Trump and losing. The whole “I win or you cheat” thing had to come from somewhere.
The Jan 6 is a completely different investigation than the FBI raid, but I’m sure that doesn’t really factor in for you.
You must convince yourself that Trump can do no wrong, and any evidence to the contrary is openly and instantly dismissed.
At least you admit it, so kudos to you for that.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray it was literally irrelevant to the topic at hand but okay.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Given the topic at hand, you also jumped right in with an off topic comment. Guess going off topic only bothers you when it’s about something you don’t want admit?
Hide behind the “you went off topic” shield if you need to. Even if it displays your hypocrisy, do you my friend.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray whatever you say, I don't really care.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Apparently. You’re only interested hearing things the confirm what you already believe. Everything else is “I don’t care.”
Exactly how Trump like you.
Make sure you donate to the cause.
MAGA!!!

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray what was that? I can't hear you over the sound of Biden's heavy breathing, I think he's groping some little girls on camera again!

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Turn down the volume on your political porn and you just might be able to hear something other than your Biden fantasies.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray I hope you know that if you voted for Biden, all those Americans that were abandoned in Afghanistan and all those people that will be killed with those weapons left there are on your head.

Don't try to get me for Trump because I never voted for him either. I vote third party baby.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
So you didn’t vote for Trump, but you can’t believe that other people didn’t vote for him either?
D’oh! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray it's not the Trump votes on concerned about but keep trying hun.

[Juxtapose]

*I'm

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
Oh, I know. Your laser focused attention on all things Biden prevents you from thinking about Trump votes.
I get it.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray I don't really give a fuck about Trump, he didn't pardon Julian Assange so he failed my litmus test of integrity 🤷‍♂️

I am a liberal and I care about the Democrats killing the concept of liberalism with their sjw nonsense.

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
So you simply can’t believe that Biden got as many votes as he did, and that’s all you need to believe the election was stolen?
It’s not like you give any consideration to anything else surrounding the issue, which you clearly demonstrated with your hand waving statements like “I don't care about…” and “I don't really give a fuck about…”
I just find it hilarious that you are in disbelief that the majority of the county agreed with you on Trump. They also came to the conclusion that Trump “failed my litmus test of integrity.”
He did. I agree 100% with that statement.

[Juxtapose]

@UCrayCray lol George Walker Bush would have been a better choice than Joe Biden. I can't believe you guys didn't realize what a piece of shit he was before he was elected.

[Juxtapose]

Sorry, "elected".

[UCrayCray]

@Juxtapose
“I can't believe you guys didn't realize what a piece of shit he was before he was elected.”
Did you see the guy he was running against? If you did, you should understand why Biden was elected. 🤷‍♀️

You have yourself a great day.

[Juxtapose]

You too :) My day has been great & I hope you enjoy everything life has to offer irregardless of what was said.

[RationalMale]

Maybe if Desantis wins. Most of the GOP is simply Democrat Lite edition. That's why when Trump was President, a lot of the GOP including Paul Ryan was siding against him on actually carrying out GOP promises.

[hahahmm]

Conservatives are going to win regardless of who the Dems put up. And Trump doesn't need a pardon since he hasn't been convicted of a crime.

[jshm2]

Doubt the Repubs would win, but even if they did. They would self destruct if they were to pardon Trump

[Anonymous]

So... do Democrats have anyone one better to offer? Or is it just Joe?
And why would anyone want Biden running again?

[OddBeMe]

Well…youre not wrong.

[exitseven]

Trump will be able to pardon himself once he becomes president again.

[OddBeMe]

You know I’d love to see that move through the courts, so its almost worth it.

[exitseven]

I think we are going to see a lot of things we never even thought about.

[TroyDT]

Pardon for what? You all might want to read the decision in Judicial Watch, Inc. vs. National Archives and Records Administration, which is precedent, before you send Trump to the gallows.

[TheBigGuy9]

Wtf are you even talking about? Pardon Trump for what?

[OddBeMe]

What did trump pre pardon half his staff for?

[TheBigGuy9]

Answer mine first.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not on the SDNY legal team, but they now have all his taxes and debts. Trump Org execs have taken pleas. Also his georgia call was pretty damning. Obviously it takes will to prosecute for all those.

[Anonymous]

Dear Donald Trump: If the documents were “planted,” then why do you want them back?

Sincerely, We the People

[loveslongnails]

First he'd have to be convicted of something that is pardonable or commutable by either a governor or the President. Let's see what happens.

[Waldoe]

100% Political Persecution... 100% Democrat Zero Republican votes... Meaningless

[OddBeMe]

So because Repubs are sucking trumps cock means he’s not guilty and Dems are corrupt?

[Keyboardkat]

Grow up and stop using this kind to teenage vulgarity! Biden is an empty suit. His entourage programs him what to say and what to do. He has NO IDEA of the consequences of his actions. They want to turn America into a third-world country. Heaven help us! Whatever you say about Trump, when he was president we had a booming economy and we had energy independence and we were respected by other nations. Now we're a laughingstock. We don't even have any borders. Tell me something, OddBeMe, WHY THE HELL DOESN'T ANY OF THIS MATTER? WHY? You are a typical brainwashed leftist. You don't discuss facts. You don't discuss issues. You just call names and insults, and fling profanity around. Real brains, that takes.

[OddBeMe]

@Keyboardkat Biden is an 80 yr old bygone centrist politician who I only voted for to get swampy Trump out of the WH.

I just dont get what you guys see in Trump. Other than a “FU” to liberals. Is that why you sacrifcied the country? To tell us libtards off?

[anylolone]

Pardon him for what?

His power of flight?

[OddBeMe]

I would be worried about him sneaking off to Russia if charged.

[anylolone]

Or narnia, I think narnia is a bigger shelter to him if he's charged.

Gosh, he might go straight to arda and murder ungoliant, that would be racism and a direct threat to you!

[OddBeMe]

Ehh his campaign finance criminality is good enough for me. And possible treason! I’m giddy!

[anylolone]

You'd have more luck proving he killed ungoliant.

You should be careful when charging someone with treason while being part of a 5th column.

[Anonymous]

In order to be pardoned you need to have committed a crime.

[OddBeMe]

No, you just need to admit you did at the time of the pardon, I think. Several people were “pre-pardoned” werent they? Back in 2018?

[Anonymous]

Typical liberal mindset, guilty till proven innocent.

[OddBeMe]

(Checking conviction rates) yeah Trump admin is literally the most corrupt in history.