Her body her choice, his wallet his choice? Agree or disagree?

[stanhope5]

Women have the right not to be mothers if they don't want to, should men have the right not to be father's if they don't want to?

Yes

No

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+1 y

Let's find out if the women care/want men to have rights as well

[nightdrot]

Vote B, but really neither A nor B as the rights and needs of the child are paramount. Adding to this then that the woman is obliged to carry the life she made - absent a threat to her life - and the man is similarly obliged to care for the little life that he helped to make. Both bearing the consequences of their actions and giving protection to the child who is here not by choice and who needs the care and consideration of the adults who made that baby.

First, the fetus is human. It cannot be anything other than human. It will not grow up, unless it is terminated by artificial means or natural accident, to be a cow or a chair. A thing can only ever be whatever it is at whatever moment in time its' development. Its' underlying reality and nature remain constant - and because human it is then entitled to the moral consideration and rights that inhere in all human beings.

Indeed, appropriate to the current cultural tumults, the arguments justifying slavery in the pre-Civil War era were either demonstrably false - Africans were not human but were a sub-species - or logically problematic - rights inhere in humans in varying degrees and are not universal and constant.

This then the problem with the argument that fetus do not have rights. Either the fetus is not human - which then begs the question of at what point it becomes human. Moreover, what are the moral and scientific differences in the fetus one second before it becomes human and one second after that moment.

Alternatively, if rights only inhere in the human person at a certain point in time, then who decides the moral criteria for what that point is and what factors determine it? This leading then to an ethic of power as rights will be granted by those who have the power to grant them and it thereby inherently becomes a subjective standard.

Thus effectively rendering the idea of rights null and void. Rights are what the powerful say they are and are granted when the powerful, that is those with the power to make that decision for others including the fetus him or her self, decide they will be conferred.

This then being the flaw in the question posted here. It is not about rights, but rather duty and obligations.

The British statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke wrote, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations." Therein lay the problem with laws that permit abortion on demand.

A society that premises its law as "Choice"- to use the locution of abortion rights advocates - effectively leaves open the question of the value of human life. It becomes not a standing principle, but a subjective judgment to each individual. In such a society, human life becomes not an end in itself, but mere instrument. Life becomes not an object whose preservation is the highest standard, but rather a convenience to be maintained or not according to the satisfaction of another's will.

Bottom line, the society has placed its' emphasis on freedom - an argument about the rights of the woman or the man - and has defined it as an end in itself rather than a means to an end. Thus anything defined as freedom is not logically limited and life becomes, itself, a means to an end and not inherently worthy of "moral consideration" in its' own right. Suffice to say, bad things tend to follow from such reasoning.

[Anonymous]

Yes, of course. As long as women have the right to walk away from being a parent, men should have the same right. There would be details that need to be worked out but in concept it is the only thing that is fair. The "my body, my choice" thing is very diingenuous... it is really "my life, my choice" because 95% of women who have abortions do so for exactly the same reasons men might want to want not have a child.

[river23]

Honestly I think that depends on what you mean, do you mean when woman chose not to have babies or when they choose to give their baby up, because honestly I wanna say I agree and I dont agree. Because if your in a relationship and someone wants kids but the other person doesn't then you should be very ear with your partner on that. I am gonna be honest condoms are used for a reason you don't want kids don't be stupid and fuck Like bunnies without protection like an idiot. If people would try to be more aware and not act like their invincible in some stupid way then people wouldn't really have to worry about this shit in the first place.

[stanhope5]

It's a simple question that deserves a simple answer, no need to complicate the question. Smh women

[Anonymous]

Yes, that's as close as we can get to equality. Honestly, it's astonishing to me that it hasn't already been that way for a long time.

[Kaneki05]

Agree longs if they are clear about not wanting a baby before hand. They cannot lead the girl on to believing that will support them and want the baby to turn around at birth be like nope.
Just like abortion you have to choose it before the pregnancy comes.

[stanhope5]

Good answer

[hahahmm]

Yes but I'd go beyond that. 1.) no tax payer money or benefits based on being a single parent. If you want charity go to a church or other charity organization. 2.) If there's a custody dispute the parent who can afford to take care of the kid gets custody. Not the one who happens to have a vagina.

[OddBeMe]

Heah this is fair. During pregnancy for a certain window, men should have the right to demur all responsibility.

[Jouth]

woman body but I want to sex it

can i?

[EnglishEuropean]

Sure, if they keep it in their pants. Otherwise no.

[stanhope5]

Tell that to the women that are about to walk into an abortion clinic

[stanhope5]

You know they should have kept they're legs closed etc

[EnglishEuropean]

Honestly I don't disagree.