What's your view on this female mindset "my money is my money, his money is our money?

I don't believe that's "the female mindset". That's just more women hating bullshit.
In my marriage, our money is "our" money. We both have income but not separate money. It goes to pay our bills, buy things we need, do things and go on vacations together, and into savings for our retirement. On expensive things, we talk about it and decide the best method of payment. But we don't have to discuss smaller purchases. My wife and I are a team. We work together for our "mutual" happiness.
I hear stories about some relationships in which the wife is a home maker or earns substantially less, and the man acts like a miser with his money, keeps separate bank accounts, and rations out allowance to his wife and keeps track of all her expenditures. Is that the "male mindset"? I don't call that a partnership or even a relationship. But I wouldn't say is the way most men act any more than I think most women have that bullshit "female mindset".
There are different couple/family organizations, in this question I was thinking in a scenario where both have stable jobs, so in that case, the bills, payings and other purchases related to the household (or place where both live) has to be shared. If one cannot get earnings on his/her own,
You are 68 and a wossy, that once again proves me, that age has not much to do with masculinity, values, principles and being ripe.
I mean, yeah, astrologically seen OLDER men are always more masculine than younger men and than boys, but there are much more important things that determine how masculine or how feminine a man is.
IT'S CALLED:
INITIATON
Your wife is not a woman, she is a little girl that likes boys such as you.
Wake up boy, the matrix has you.
"You have to call me sir, because, because I'm 68"
Aha, really?
You wanna be liked by girls and women, it's because you have low self-esteem and you wanna have approval from women, because you can not give yourself approval because you have low self-esteem.
Splitting money up is insecure and a sign of ultra low self-esteem
Either the money is ours in a relation-ship or in a marriage, or we will never be a couple and never a married couple. We are either a team or we are enemies or we are don't like it each other, but we don't hate each other, that's my mindet in terms of this topic in regards to dating women and girls.
Ok, so here's the thing...
With regards to dating, as horrific as some might find this. I truly believe in a man buying me lunch etc, and me not buying his.
Don't worry, no one here has to agree, or date me (not that I was considering a gag date) But I genuinely do expect a man to 'wine me and dine me' to his expense when we are dating.
Just to touch on some of the reasons why: I personally find it very masculine when a guy looks after me, and secondly: I have never been taken to a swanky restaurant in my whole life. My expectations are small time places like, pub lunches for example.
I rarely drink, and when I do it's never a lot. So my bill is always £10-15 a time. (probably gone up, as prices have recently inflated) but to expect this from a guy who is interested in me, I just think is more on a respect level, as I'm not exactly soaking up his cash with £10-15 per week.
If any guy disagreed, then obviously he just wouldn't take me out. So there really is no issue with that, just my own personal requirement.
Now see this is what I want to know.
What are you giving him back?
Don't say sex because that's something you both enjoy mutually.
The only reason you wouldn't pay for his time but he pays for you is your not equal in the relationship
Now u tell everyone your partner gradually earns better investment from you, materially, physically and emotionally. EARNS better.
By being good to and for you.
Nobody starts off with boyfriend or girlfriend privileges your just 2 strangers at the start. You've earned nothing.
Women today want to be treated traditionally but still be treated equal. All the expectation to perform is on the man who gets nothing.
Idc if it's a 2$ fish sandwich we're splitting. Because it's about the principle and establishing at the starts that both partners have value.
@england4eva And you feel no shame whatsoever at just using this guy for money and not bringing anything to the table?
@ArchaicArachnid I use nobody.
I agree with @england4eva
If you can't buy her at least a lunch than stop dreaming of having her.
Even dog need 2 time food to stay loyal to you.
@Sam_The_Savage 😂funny one. Yeah, I don’t personally see what all the fuss is about. A man and a woman show their love and appreciation in different ways. Tbh, if he can’t find £10 a week for me, then that’s a major red flag and is extremely undesirable behaviour. I don’t need his wallet, but I do require a man to take the lead, and I’m not ashamed of it either. Every men I’ve ever encountered in real life wanted to provide this, it made him feel like the protector.
I think we may have misunderstood each other. It's fine if he's also getting something out of this (such as a kind and supportive girlfriend who follows his lead). Usually, the way modern women like to do this though is simply by taking his money and then also demanding to run his life. They really don't want to give the guy anything. I'm personally of the opinion that it's optimal for the guy to pay for everything as long as the woman appreciates that and does nice things for him (like caring for the household, cooking, etc.)
Bro for cooking & household you can hire home maid. For that you don't need girlfriend. With this type of mindset I doubt In this generation you get girls.
@ArchaicArachnid in my past relationship I brought my boyfriend lovely gifts all the time. I’m not exaggerating this, he got t shirts, shoes the lot. I have an eye for good deals, and I loved spoiling him. However, when we go out I need to be treated with traditional values. I need the guy to pay, otherwise I feel like a buddy. I’m not. I’m of a higher status, I’m his girl. I love being treated like this, and maybe me making a beautiful meal for my boyfriend makes him feel loved. But letting me get dressed up to feel pretty and be taken care of in a restaurant does it for me 🙂
@MCheetah no, it means he likes me a lot. I’m worth the money, I’m worth the time. I’m worth the meal
@MCheetah no one here has to agree with me. I’m just expressing my check list. This is a huge deal breaker if he doesn’t want to pay. But I’m not a leach either.
Lol I said I'm agree with you
But it's ok you forgot. 😂
@MCheetah if you feel I’m a prostitute because I want my man to buy me a meal once a week in a pub. Then you are welcome to think this.
@England4eva
It's clear we don't agree with you. That is fine.
I'm just asking you to explain your logic and reasoning.
Why should a man have to whip out the credit card in order to get into your heart? And pants?
And what exactly is your price tag? Do you have a payment plan for the men who aren't rich enough?
@Sam_The_Savage You’re ok 🙂 I am drinking Prosecco and replying on here. The vibe with me is always chill 🙂 Sorry if I replied to the wrong person
@MCheetah I don’t date rich men buddy. A hot meal doesn’t mean a girl will sleep with the guy either. This is just my check list, for when I’m dating. I only date men I see real potential with.
@England4eva
"A hot meal doesn’t mean a girl will sleep with the guy either."
Yeah, that's why I said they're shitty prostitutes. As in, worse than regular ones.
"I only date men I see real potential with."
Yeah, those are called Simps. Also known as "pay-pigs" or "sugar daddies." Man with actual potential don't require a weekly payment plan to be with you. Not that you ever answered any of the questions I asked.
- Besides being female, what are you bringing to the table?
- What do you have that younger, hotter, better looking women don't have? (You're 33; you're already staring The Wall dead in the face and your biological clock is on seven minutes to Midnight.)
- Why should a man have to whip out the credit card in order to get into your heart or pants?
- And what exactly is your price tag?
- How are you not a leech?
- How are you not the submissive one in the relationship who should only do what she's told and speak only when he tells her to? (Cause you can't have an "equal relationship" when only one person is paying for you all the time.)
@england4eva I think the problem he is pointing out is that you expect the guy to be traditional but you are not willing to be traditional for him. You're not "of a higher status" than him, whatever that means. Men and women have historically had an arrangement wherein the guy would provide financial security and the woman would provide him with a comfortable household and be deferential to him. I would never pay a dime for a woman who did not conform to a traditional role. If YOU don't want to be traditional, don't expect guys to be either. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
@MCheetah I just offer my thoughts in a non-toxic way. I don’t really know how to answer your questions if I’m being honest. The questions you are asking require me to prove this in some way. You are right, I can’t. The only person who can identify if it’s worth dating me is an actual date. You are correct, during your early 30s it is much harder to find anyone. Not that it was easy at 21 either. Am I sad? No. I know the facts, and I have self-love. I’m actually currently drinking Prosecco having a lovely evening speaking to you all 🙂
@Sam_The_Savage That's absolutely ridiculous - you're acting as though housewives don't exist anymore. If a girl doesn't cook or clean, I'm not doling out a cent for her and especially not marrying her. My ex (who I broke up with for unrelated reasons) literally said that's what she wanted to do in life, lol.
If she DOES do those things, you can bet your ass I'll pay for everything, though.
@ArchaicArachnid But I’m not in an argument. I’m just posting an opinion. If you disagree, you have the right too. I just said what I look for in a guy. You are free to look for something completely different.
@england4eva I'm just going to tell you now that you are going to be alone forever with this mindset. Your mere existence is not a gift to the world, you also have to put in some effort. You're 33, so it's getting to the point where you're really going to be out of options, as much as I hate to break it to you...
😂😂😂😂
@ArchaicArachnid I have never stated neither believed that my mere existence was a gift to the world
Damn. Someone called her prostitute. Now this guy calling her she will die alone. Bkoz she ask guy for just a fuckin lunch. 😂😂😂
@england4eva Have you ever returned the favor to guys you've dated (and who've paid for you) with something meaningful and thoughtful? If not, then you absolutely do think your existence is superior.
@Sam_The_Savage Why would anyone pay for her if she gives no effort in return? You yourself LAUGHED at the idea of a girl doing something nice for her man just earlier, lmao. Do you not see how you're getting nothing out of this?
@ArchaicArachnid I’m literally the most chill girl in the world 🙂If no one likes me that’s cool, I’m never forcing an opinion just expressing one. Maybe a lot of people on here have encountered argumentative users, and the defence is up because of this? So just to let you know, I’m forever typing in a relaxed, calm way. There is no frustration or entitlement. Of course, you can disagree. I’m a good girl with a good heart, luckily for everyone reading here, no-one has to date me 🙂 Good vibes people 😎
@england4eva In my experience, feminist women like you are the least chill lol, but alright.
@ArchaicArachnid I’m not a feminist matey 🙂
Sure do sound like one.
@ArchaicArachnid Depends how you read it. Tone of voice probably makes a huge difference to these opinions. There is no body language either.
A LOT of beta guys get scammed out of food that way
@RandomGuy1030 There’s probably a lot of horrible girls who would do that. I’ve never met any like that myself, but I don’t have girls as friends to judge.
Wdym you just said you're entitled to free food.
@RandomGuy1030 I never said entitled.
You said it was masculine which isn't even right. Its mostly beta males buying women drinks and food.
@RandomGuy1030 For me it’s masculine. For you, it’s maybe something else.
@RandomGuy1030 I think it's fine for a guy to pay for a woman and should be expected of him. Likewise, though, it should be expected that the woman will also be traditional rather than a feminist and will defer to her man and follow his lead.
It all depends on how you perceive your relationship. Don't intend to be traditional? Can't and shouldn't expect a guy to pay for you (op seems to be non-traditional herself but still expects a guy to be - i. e., she's a feminist). Otherwise, good on you.
Chimps even do the same thing. Using betas for free food. Hardly my opinion
@RandomGuy1030 Most women are like that, yes. Don't pay for them, don't entertain them. Find a good churchgoing girl - she will actually appreciate what you do for her.
@ArchaicArachnid is the op me? Not sure what it stands for
@ArchaicArachnid i appreciate when people give me free stuff too. Have i ever said if they DONT then I dont want to know them
@england4eva Yes, you are op.
@ArchaicArachnid ok, thanks for letting me know
@Novacane yeah I know, it’s just an opinion. Have no idea why people get so angry over an opinion these days. I never forced anyone to agree or disagree. But just through expressing, I got a whole heap of insults. But it’s cool though, I’ve always been good at being the bigger person. I have never felt the need to insult anyone who disagree with me. I guess it takes all sorts to make the world go round 🙂
@MCheetah do you get dates with this mindset? Because it’s so toxic you can’t go around calling people prostitutes because they prefer to be dined and not sleep with you. She never asked for those dates so she’s not obliged to give anything out. That’s one thing I wonder how do you go asking girls to go on a date with you and expect them to pay? How does that make sense? If you didn’t want to spend any money I suggest you don’t ask for dates then! It’s a choice don’t ask = save your mommy
Ask = spend your money. You must be so toxic to assume a lady should sleep with you because you took them out because that’s a stupid mindset
@ArchaicArachnid I don’t understand the point of your modern woman vs traditional woman statement. She never said she was either. You are not obliged to receive anything when taking someone out on a date. Except she wants to give out. Your modern mindset traditional mindset drives ladies away! Simple logic don’t ask for dates if you’re not interested in paying. Likeeee how do you guys think? Sooo you saw a lady you liked and asked her to go out with you, then on the date she you expect her to pay when you guys aren’t in any type of relationship. Howwwww does that make sense. She never told you she wanted to go on a date. You asked and she accepted soooo pay for the or stick to not dating.
@ArchaicArachnid you're quite clearly projecting. Honestly you'd think he's on his period
@england4eva I have mad respect for your statement and agree w/ you 100%. Most men have a limiting mindset and put to much into one woman. No one is forcing a man to spend money on you, all a man would need to do is to move on to the next chick, but to many guys are afraid that they won't be able to find anyone so they tolerate behavior from any woman that will give them attention.
@Vegasrunner Very good point, actually. It's the guys who cave in to this. Men REALLY need to start settings standards.
@ArchaicArachnid It's difficult for a lot of men to do especially younger men because they think that they won't be able to get another girl. The majority of issues men have w/ wen could all be eliminated if guys just had an abundance mindset.
@Vegasrunner it’s all about attraction and desired attributes. I have my list, others have theirs.
@england4eva As I said b4 I agree w/ your stance. For the most part women have been the same throughout the years in my opinion it's the guys that are different. If a women doesn't fit into your standards just find another women, thats kind of always been the rule however for some odd reason guys today focus on womens standards instead of their own. If a guy was trying to date you and found out that you required him to pay to take you out if he didn't want to do it he should just go find a girl that meets his requirements. Most guys go out w/ women hoping that they are good enough for her when in reality what you should be doing is trying to figure out if she is good enough for you.
That sounds pretty selfish, if they decided to form a family, everyone should cooperate, share and participate for the family's well being. If both spouses/parents have a job or a stable and individual economy, then each one gives part of their earnings for the family while at the same time they save something for themselves (separate property).
Remember: With great power comes great responsability. If women can finally be independent economically, get good jobs, earnings and equal rights like men, then also they have to respond to the same economical duties like men have done since the past.
I will admit that I generally don't put a whole lot of focus on golddiggers/money-loving women in the sphere of femininity. Any time I hear or meet any woman who is so interested in cash and wanting a man with it, or even wanting a man who will do things for her, I usually just kind of tune them out, or maybe just have a friendly acquaintance with them like on the job, otherwise nothing more is there. I feel like they are the most irrelevant and lowest of the species, because their attitudes/desires are so base and shallow that they aren't really worth acknowledging. Or dating.
For a woman to have a love of cash or love of men with cash is really like having no love for a human, and only love for herself. They're just like a simple rock on the street to me. Even a feminist could grab my attention much more, because she's still passionate about human matters, even if we don't agree on those matters, she's at least still thinking about something with more of a solid idea. Money-loving women are just simple primates.
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I feel like it’s a common thing here in Nigeria men are expected to pay all the bills. As the wife you can assist him because you care. We usually don’t have joint accounts. From watching my parents I know you should both assist each other be a team. My dad was the rich one when they got married so he gave her some money to open her own business now she earns a lot of money so he’s enjoying he’s investment
They give each other loans 😂😂😂 which they repay. My dad takes loans to help expand my mom’s business and now my mom is on a high level of finance she’s supporting my dad’s dream to build his hotel. Either way you should be a team. My dad does still pay most of the bills. Sometimes my mom gives a share of her profits to my dad to help him with the bills. Because now it’s crazyyyy high 😂 either way whenever it gets tough for him he knows my mom always has his back. Now I have that mindset i want a partner but you pay to support my dream and I’ll pay to support yours. When we’re dating you’re paying for the dates you ask for and in return I’ll pay when I take you out. 🥰 im just blessed with someone like that well he pays for everything and doesn’t want me to pay but one time he was out of money so I happily sent him some ☺️ It should be a give and receive relationship that’s all I want
Ah yes, "equality" back at it again.
All I can say is that if the roles were reversed you would hear terms like "SEXISM!" and "MISOYGONY!" thrown around. Yet for some reason, this isn't sexism or misandrism? Love their double standard mentality. The only way I would actually be okay with that is when my woman is entirely dedicated to her gender roles and to our relationship. And the funny thing is, my girlfriend holds on to her gender roles and she doesn't even have that mentality. Goes to show I've actually found a gem among rotten eggs in western society.
@TruthBringer
Of course not. Just look at Tiana's posts. I'm frankly done dealing with this fucking stupid shit from entitled awful women out there. They're as "toxic" as the dumb buzzwords they throw around and rather than get mad, I'm just going to ignore them from now on. It's very tempting to want to be "mean" to these shitty garbage human beings. But instead, I try hard to take the high road.
@MCheetah You're right. Negative attention is still attention and better than total neglect to them. So better to just neglect them al together. Just like the men who refuse to 'save' them when they start exiting their prime years. Better get your shares in cat food and dildos, because we're about to see a major influx of single, resentful and lonely women soon. Especially the feminists
I think she'd make a horrible wife or partner and wouldn't date her. My girlfriend is great. She bought me this a few weeks ago.
It's a 2022! 😎👍
Did she use "her" money our "our" money? Has she asked to borrow the car yet?
@AviatorTom it was 💯 her money. We aren't married yet and I drive it. I'm not taking credit when it's all from her
@t-8900 You are a lucky man. She sounds like a keeper. Glad you said you aren't married... yet! Congratulations!
@AviatorTom I did put a ring on her finger and I do consider myself a man of honor. I would never sleep with a woman I wasn't fully intending to marry.
@hahahmm 2 weeks ago I was laid up in a hospital bed and she spent every waking moment with me for 4 nights, going and bringing me anything I wanted or needed, food, clothes, my switch back at home, laptop, you name it. I couldn't walk unassisted and she was right next to me. She even wiped my ass, literally because I was too weak to do it on my own and she spared me the humiliation of the nurses doing it since her and I are comfortable with each other's bodies and all
It's based in insecurity and fear. Probably a rough ride for both. I don't think that is typical, may be cultural and environmental?
I grew up seeing grandparents and parents and married couples..."our money is our money". The men worked, woman stayed home mostly and raised kids. If anything, I saw the men "commanding the use of the money" and spending it on their fun and the women laying in wanting. Most women I know, I did not see getting the gifts and prizes and such. The guys were getting toys to have fun... cars, boats, bikes, etc..
Women working full time, that's a new wrinkle starting around 1970's. Most women I see don't think like that.
Certainly some people will take take take and not give. I've experienced that. That's an emotionally messed up person.. fear, etc... If someone is "hoarding"something, be it items or money, then there's a problem goin on "upstairs".
I was married 22 years... she worked for 14 of those years. In the last 6 years of that disaster she kept all her money in a separate account, and I paid all communal bills and mortgages.
Yeah, it didn't workout she still spent or hide all her money... and she came after me in divorce for everything to include the kitchen sink. I had to fight everything, the divorce cost me over $50,000.00. "WE" were valued at 1.8 million before divorce, and now I guess we are eached valued at $600,000.00 a piece. Had sell off assets at a lose because she's a stupid, ignorant, dumbass.
But my condo is paid off, and I have guaranteed money for life, coming in monthly. Unfortunately so does that evil, vile, thefting cheating, lying, two timing skank.
So again I say if you (man or women) want 100% protection over your money, property and assets... DO NOT get married.
I've never heard that mindset ever, from anyone... any female or otherwise until you said it.
What I hear is everything is either completely joint and combined or people live like roommates... together but each others money is their own.
So no opinion since that isn't a thing around here that I've heard of.
Ah really, naw I'm all about being fair and equal. Being 100% joint is how I'm going to do it, just like my parents, has worked out great for them... I tend to make more than most men I have been with anyways.
In general I dislike the mindset. Even if the genders are reversed. Because it always raises the quest of how much of "our money" are you claiming is yours? Due to it potentially creating a situation where a larger percentage of "our money" is being claimed by the other. So you end up wondering why your partner spent 80% of "our moeny" before bills where paid.
I don't agree with it. I mindset is my money is mine and his is his BUT we can share.
It's his choice or desire, I won't demand nor think his money is mine.
If I have less money than him he may benefit less from my money than I do his but it doesn't mean that I'll withhold mine from him, I just have less to give.
My* mindset.
I expect though that both of us will not be wasteful or squander.
My ex-wife who worked as a very high-level accountant had exactly the same attitude. This is a big reason why she is my ex. I found that many women in their entitlement, arrogance, and narcissism have this exact same attitude. They think that the fruits of his labor belongs to them because they have a vagina and because they look good and for no other reasons.
Unfortunately, in many instances, the courts seem to agree with them and a man who gets divorced at least in California where I live is likely to lose most of his property and all of his money in those Kangaroo Court proceedings that are all too common.
Terrible.
Both partners should have their own money, in their own name, under their own account.
If you want, have a joint for things like housing and living expenses, combined bills, etc.
I believe in equality in a relationship. No more, no less.
If that’s your females mindset… you need a new female!
She’s is selfish. She is greedy. She is not new age. It’s just not ok.
Who thinks this way tbh.
I mean I am very giving, so it just blows my mind. Especially if I love and care about people, I tend to give so much, prob more then I should or can really afford to and to my own detriment.
But I’d rather be this way then anything like this statement. It’s just yuck.
Absolutely!
I think women like that can self-immolate. We've got enough awful people in the world.
Before marriage
Your money is your money. My money is my money.
After marriage
Your money is our money. My money is our money.
Done. But in case of marriage both should spend equally on each other.
But then, the woman will work less, or not even work at all once kids are involved, so how "equal" will this remain down the line?
And this is why men don't want to get married anymore. But then, women will complain about it and try to accuse men of being "afraid of commitment." When they're getting screwed and having to put in all the work to a woman who is not traditional and still wants to talk about "gender equality" while not holding her own weight, then yeah, men will be unwilling to "commit."
When you get old enough to marry, I hope you'll realize why so many men are fed up with modern women. This post on here is a good example why.
@MCheetah I don't know about others but this is how my parents divide the money all the time. Mom pays half and dad pays half. I agree it isn't reality most of the time but this is now it should be. That is why I mentioned the last point "But in case of marriage both should spend equally on each other".
I think that's dumb. WE have an annual household income. My paycheck is deposited into OUR bank account. His paycheck is deposited into OUR bank account. WE pay for OUR bills and OUR lifestyle with OUR money.
The first three years of our marriage he did not work. He was just as entitled to the money I earned as I was. We are a team and have always been a team. We achieve better results when we combine resources and work together.
If you get va jay jay because of money... she'll be able to take that and run. Pretty much anytime she really wants. I say work on your personality, hit the gym, and pretend you're broke. It's not the 1800's and she can work if she wants money. Otherwise, she can rub my muscles and enjoy me being an asshole.
This has been the view in most cultures for as long as one can remember. We accept it and move on. In a traditional relationship there is an exchange between the man's resource and woman's sexual-reproductive exclusivity. The woman doesn't have to be resource exclusive. What is a shock factor is if women said, I can have sex with you (husband) and anyone else if I choose to, then vast majority of men would backflip away.
This is a major reason why women will never be “equal” to men. You can’t have this entitlement mindset and at the same time demand to be treated as “equal”
There are evolutionary reasons why women behave this way. But again you have to put in a conscious effort to be aware of that. Just like many men have evolutionary impulses to sometimes be promiscuous or violent: most of fight that and realize it’s not right in modern society.
He provides but his money is still his money. Think of it this way: if he is the sole provider of the family and you go shopping, it may not be a big deal that you buy things like clothes and makeup within your affordability. However if you suddenly buy a designer purse when you guys are on a tight budget that would be a wrong thing to do without talking to him right? It's because it's still his money.
My money will always be my money.
And hers will be hers.
I'll never have a joint account. Probably never tell her how much I make.
I wouldn't ever want her to equate my value to her based on a $.
This mindset ilas you've stated is entitlement. Plain and simple and it's childish.
Society still expects the burden of performance to be on men to be traditional in a post feminist world. Where women are ,, equal,,
I've heard women demonize men that squirrel away some cash for a rainy day.
stupid - can't have it both ways
of course if men decide to share their money with their partners then that's their choice but it's silly to keep all your money to yourself AND take your partner's with absolutely no compromise or whatever
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