Are people supporting the trans community for the wrong reasons?

[Anonymous]

Is it right to support them in the sense that we enable the thought process that they are in the wrong body? Or should we support them more in the sense of mental health and get them the right kind of help.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You support them by just being a decent human being and not treating them like an outcast. It's really not that hard.

[Asker]

Yeah I’m not saying we treat anybody as an outcast. I’m asking if perhaps surgery is not the answer

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Why not? If it's right for them then it's right for them.

I mean, I want to get a boob job and nobody is really gonna bat an eye over that even though it's modifying my body.

Why should it be any different for them?

[Asker]

Any unnecessary surgery should be avoided. There are very clear massive health risks associated with it that cannot be ignored.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Definitions of unnecessary vary by those who want/need it vs those who don't.

I think it will help with my self esteem which I deem very necessary.

[Asker]

Yes it is a question of want versus need. In this scenario it is only a want, not a need.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Again thats still in the eye of the beholder. This is something I both want and need. I'm sure they feel the same about their surgeries

[Asker]

That’s not true at all. You can want something very strongly but needing something is based off of survival. Especially considering that’s how the medical system views it. Both kinds of surgery are unnecessary and thus are treated that way both financially and show by their timeline of completion.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

It's still not gonna stop me or them from doing what we feel is right for us.

So what we can do is just support their decisions and wish them the best.

[Asker]

I’m less talking about you and more talking about transitions. They are so harmful to the body.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I have several trans friends of every variation, (mtf, ftm, non binary) for the ones I've talked to who wanted surgery, to them it's more harmful mentally to not go through with it. They feel trapped in a body that isn't matching to how they identify and in this day and age we have the science to help fix that. Why should we deny them that over our own hang-ups of how it makes us feel?

[Asker]

I don’t believe that it’s anybody’s hang ups. People are genuinely concerned about their mental health. Thinking you are not in the right body, or thinking that you are anything but what you are is a problem that we should be addressing without surgery when there is clearly something going on chemically in the brain that needs to be addressed.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

In most locations they are forced to see a therapist to get a letter ok'ing any procedures or even medications for transitioning. If their therapists and doctors are giving their sign off then you know it's the right decision for them whether we agree or not

[Asker]

Do you know how many treatments they get?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Not offhand but I could always ask. I would assume they would need to be diagnosed and some continue seeing their therapists

[Asker]

Diagnosed with what?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Being transgendered

[Asker]

I wasn’t aware that being transgendered was a medical diagnosis

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis.

Quick search brought this up

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

www.psychiatry.org/.../gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

[Sandeeppingping]

@asker gender dysphoria is classified as a pathology (illness, disease) by the American psychology association, so when you say that doubling down on it isn't the answer, well psychology agrees with you, politics and democracy doesn't though

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

And since you like to read, what does it list as the treatment? Oh that's right assisting them in transitioning.

[Sabretooth]

let's listen to someone has a trans daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/So2eUuYWFqE

though, certain things do need to change surrounding SRS.

[Asker]

I can agree with all that. What that video doesn’t disprove is that wanting to transition is a mental illness. These are not my words of course, but one of the bigger arguments against it.

[Sabretooth]

studies show that the mind of a trans person doesn't match their birth identity. to be honest--this is far to nuanced and far to filled with caveats to really settle this--I can supply you with videos like that where it helped the person... and you could send me evidence of the contrary and we could continue going back and forth.

[Sabretooth]

''far too''

[Berethor]

Supporting them more in the sense of mental health, because their are mentally ill.

[exitseven]

Most people support the trans community because they are afraid to get cancelled.

[Asker]

Honestly I can partly agree with this. I think people are very afraid to speak their minds nowadays

[RolandCuthbert]

What does it mean to “support” the trans community?

[OddBeMe]

Both. It doesn’t hurt anyone to be trans. No one can be “talked into” being trans. And mental health should be valued and less stigmatized.

[Asker]

Yes absolutely. But if you believe it is a mental illness than why would you indulge it?

[OddBeMe]

Because “mental illness” is rarely cured. As a depressive your solution would be to not treat it. Which would be distasterous.

[jimmy2]

They need mental help I work in a prison and the whole highe ass prison was trans those who are wanna bes and those who screw a man with a dick

[Tyrael]

I'm not supporting them at all.

[Anonymous]

I think those fuckers get WAY too much attention!

[Dinosaursandanime65]

There aren’t any right reasons

[Anonymous]

No don't be stupid

[Asker]

Tell me how I’m wrong for asking