The contrast with Europe seems to me striking, in Europe patriotism has become something quite negative.

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No, sadly not. Americans are no where near as patriotic as they were 20 years ago or even 40 years ago. In fact a great many Americans hate their country and they are ashamed of it. You see more rainbow LGBT flags flown than “Old Glory.” Any praise or good things that America has done are immediately shouted down with cries of “but they enslaved Africans!!!” or “but what about the Native Americans! Imperialism! War!” and they point out instances of where America has fallen short of expectations—either their own, or those qualities and maxims espoused by our Founding Fathers in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
In short, to them, to MANY, America was simply founded by a bunch of evil greedy rich racist White men. And everything it has produced is inherently flawed because of this.
Frankly, I’m a throwback. An ape. My family has fought for America in literally every war going back to the American Revolution. I too went to war and served. I would give my life for America, ten times over if I could, and there are those who would call me a sucker for doing so.
They do not believe that America is good or even better than any other nation out there. In fact they believe it is WORSE. “Look at how “progressive” the Nordic countries are. And oh the French are just so much more sensible and sophisticated” they say. They believe in globalism. Being a “citizen of the world.” They do not love their country because they were never TAUGHT to love it.
They were raised to despise it.
For the French they are right (it's a joke)
Well, the problem is the lack of nuance and contextualization. Of course America is not perfect but no nation is. The USA has brought more positive than negative to the world whether it is at different levels, medicine, science, technology etc.
But with the most extreme militants it is impossible to debate because they become violent.
Oh is in France we have exactly the same thing in more we as England we have colonized many countries then we are really very very very mean for these militants.
I was in Belgium for the anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge, in Bastogne. The people there loved American servicemen. The US liberated Belgium from the Nazis.
I was in my military dress uniform and everywhere I went people were telling me, “Merci, merci l’American. Merci!”
It was very touching. Moving. My fellow Americans have never shown me that kind of love that the Belgians showed me.
I stopped into a little pastry shop to see their desserts, and a man approached me. He had two young girls with him, maybe 13, and in his broken English he explained that the two girls with him wanted to have their picture taken with me, an American in his uniform. A total stranger.
How do Americans treat me?
Like I was some kind of baby killer who was blood thirsty because I was in Iraq. A dumb guy suckered by the government into fighting in some foreign war.
I didn’t pick to go to Iraq. I was ordered to go there. 🤷♂️
I'm also someone who can trace his family to the mid-1600's in "America" I grew up in a house with a revolutionary war issue flint lock personally owed and used by a direct ancestor hanging over the mantle. Also, plenty of pictures on the walls of ancestors who fought in the civil war, and can show you where the old family plantation was. I have friends and other people I have met that are the descendants of the families my family used to own as slaves. My family also has a history of military service and has fought in every conflict up to and including Iraq #1 and Afghanistan. I own land and pay my taxes and have a couple guns for hunting and a couple for target shooting/ home defense too.
So, understand that I speak as a patriot when I say that, Yes, America was built on a foundation of exploitation and bigotry. That is correct.
BUT, the future of America can still be salvaged, it doesn't have to be too late. We need to focus on the best of our history, never forget the crimes of our forefathers and fight back against those who seek to corrupt and control us.
Fight back against the corporate interests.
Fight back against religious indoctrination.
Fight back against the Russian sponsored propaganda.
Fix the public education system.
Ensure proper medical care for all people.
End the militarization of our police forces.
Invest in our USPS system.
Remember the words on lady liberty, open the borders to anyone willing to come here and become an American citizen.
And yes, protect American freedoms to choose your own partner and maintain the right to control over our own bodies.
I fly a big old glory in my yard, take it down every night and in bad weather and run it up every morning and once the sky clears. I also support my many friends who are LGBTQ+* and figure BLM has the right of things too.
America is supposed to be about supporting an individual's personal freedoms and the right to stand up and be counted if our leaders make bad choices.
No, I don't think so!! 😂 They take great pride in their country's history, but when it comes to history, I think Britain is hard to beat!! 💯
Even when Americans come to live in Europe first thing they do is stick a flagpole up.
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The flag is an empty symbol. Most US flags aren’t even made in the United States of America. Most flag wavers can’t explain the symbolism designed into the flag. Most citizens have no idea how many flags have represented this land over the centuries. Too few people understand the meaning of the national anthem, let alone the true story behind it. In the US, patriotism is like everything else, mostly fake and just for show. I’ve met maybe a half dozen true patriots in my lifetime. The rest are just clowns fighting over top billing.
Most patriotic… hell no. Nationalists.. yes. But patriotism to me (meaning it’s different from the definition slightly) that people in this country would sacrifice for the good of the country. Ain’t no one in America sacrificing shit unless you are in the military. The rest have an agenda to get there stuff and live comfortably. And not a lot of people fly flags in front of there house. Probably Independence Day you see more. But that’s a myth. America sells the world lies as far as all of that goes.
No, you're not patriotic. You are squeamish people who won't confront the warmongers who have made your nation the most murderous on earth the past 60 years.
Going around the world murdering people to prove you are 'The Godfather' isn't patriotic, it's genocidal.
The fact that you won't confront that evil over 2 generations says you don't have any patriotism, because if you did you would have stamped that out after Vietnam.
I crack them hell up when corporations like Walmart, Amazon, and Target sell American Flags and T-shirts that say "Proud To Be An American" but when you look at the items closely you will see complete Hypocrisy where the Tag says "MADE IN CHINA" just saying
Makes sense there has been no greater force for good in human history than the United States. We're not perfect but we're always aspiring to be better. The United States is an idea. And you can't defeat an idea as long as people still believe in it.
Yea, you should see how people deck out their cars on 4th of July. I see whole punch flag clothing, flag nails, flags on trucks etc.
I’ve heard that in Australia patriotism is so negative, the people actually try to hide their military service.
No, half of the country hates America and wants to destroy it.
Actually, the latest one has him back up into the mid-40's.
"the Marquette Law School national poll released late last week brought home just how bad things are looking for Republicans on a breadth of issues.
Biden's approval, 45%—a 9-point improvement since July
Trump's favorability, 34%—unchanged since July
Generic ballot, D+6 (47% Democrat/41% Republicans)
Just 30% support for overturning Roe
90% support for allowing abortion in cases of rape/incest (including 81% of Republicans)
82% oppose states outlawing interstate travel to get abortions (including 74% of Republicans)
76% oppose states outlawing ordering abortion pills from out of state (including 60% of Republicans)
Enthusiasm gap has nearly closed, with 54% of Republicans and 51% of Democrats very enthusiastic to vote"
Did they do another one since Sep 7-9? That one had him at 39% approval, and all polls have improved for him since then.
www.thetrafalgargroup.org/.../...l-Report-0912.pdf
They have to do that because their history only goes back a few centuries
In Europe its seen rather as nationalism and most of those countries are either socialist or have a colonial past Ie the union jack also know internationally as the butcher's apron
Of course we are Murica greatest country in the world🤠🤠🤠🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 we are superior to all other countries but the evil liberals don’t want us to believe it 😡😡😡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am a red-blooded American. I also believe in God and country. I have come to its defenses when called upon.
Can confirm. About 1 in 5 houses on any given street has an American flag flying from it.
North Koreans are way more patriotic than Americans are
Dont know. If you mean blindly following the governemnt I’d say one of the mid east countries. But we can't go do a Reuters poll there.
In conservative imaginary land it is, they would like for us to become a religious theocracy with trump as pope.
Yeah that’s cuz in Europe they equate Nationalism with Hitler even though the two are mutually exclusive
I think there are other countries more nationalistic but the US is more covered by the media
the USA is the only country in the world other then Texas.
Most nationalistic, but nationalism=/=patriotism
It's faux patriotism. Americans only care about "their" half of the country.
I don't know maybe a European could shed some light on that
Yes of course big time
lol No.
lol No. Aside the true patriots, which there are a
lot of.. rational ones. It's all curb appeal and or
used as a form of hate. I have lived in several
countries. From experience Europe is far more genuinely passionate about their history and countries in general. Most Americans don't understand or know their own. They know more about their state than country. Shame.
It should be?
No I think it's Texas
never i think Turkey
Very true
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