Why won't republicans release their plan to fix the economy right now?

[normalice]

They have to know democrats would love to see it fixed and would be thrilled to put any republican plan in place that stands a decent chance of actually working. So why are republicans being so tight lipped about their plan? Could it be they don't actually have one? Could it be their actual plan, if they get power, is to just stop taking about it and instead distract people nonsense theatrics, like they always do?

Yes, they have no plan and are lying about the problem for capaign purposes.

No, they have a plan but are letting people suffer holding their genius idea hostage and won't reveal it until we give them power back.

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Based on the comments it seems like I should have had a C. Democrats have already laid the groundwork for energy independence and domestic manufacturing to solve this problem and it can't be pushed any faster. Republicans plan only to stop talking about it so it is no longer an issue to their base, while continuing to take credit for anything democrats did that republicans can't sabotage. But in fact long term republicans actually want economic collapse because then they get all the money.

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On September 23, Larry Kudlow of Fox Business on the Fox News Channel said: “The new British prime minister, Liz Truss, has laid out a terrific supply-side economic growth plan which looks a lot like the basic thrust of Kevin McCarthy's Commitment to America plan."So, now we all know not to vote for that, right?

[JulianGronkowski]

I’ll bite. I don’t have any faith in either side of the aisle at this point, but I can see some simple solutions.


Oil crisis - drill more in the United States. Whatever happened to the keystone pipeline? Why are we so dependent on other countries for what we have available here? All in the name of what, the environment? Give me a break. All these multi millionaire politicians are laughing as they fly their private jets on the daily, they couldn’t care less about the environment.


Inflation - nice work with the stimmy checks government, real helpful pumping trillions into circulation. Let’s keep it going by forgiving another half trillion in student loan debt. This is a tough one to solve, but it starts by putting an end to these excessive handouts. People are killing the fed for jacking up the interest rates, but their hands are tied thanks to how Covid was handled. A string of horrible decisions has consequences, what a concept.


Businesses - Stop it with the ESG and DE&I prioritization. Focus on your core business, and let’s be a meritocracy here. Equal opportunity, but the best person for the job gets it. That’ll help you achieve your business goals and make money.

[normalice]

There are over 10k unused drilling permits the government has issued. We can't force them to drill as that would be socialism. The issue is there are a limited number of drills and they take a while to build new ones. If anyone took it as a real solution it would be about 5 years before we saw any change. And 10 years for pipelines.

It's mostly supply lines driving inflation. The stimulus checks did bump it up a bit but we knew that it would. The idea was for everyone to pay slightly more in exchange for that bottom 20% or so not getting evicted or starving, resulting in a catastrophic humanitarian crisis. Democrats have tried to explain it in these terms but get drowned out by bad faith republicans getting more media attention. Anyway no one complained about the inflation caused by the 10 trillion in handouts the Republicans gave to the rich under the Trump assministration, even as we are dealing with it now.

I wouldn't really call ESG a priority so much as a checkbox. The right likes to blather on about it because they dont like it, but not because it is a bad idea.

[OddBeMe]

There’s economic evidence the stimulus kept it afloat.

And drilling for oil everywhere means destroying more of our national parks. And keystone was never never going to increase North American oil. It’s Canada’s excuse to ship it overseas…via our backyard.

[Friendlybro79]

Frigging f off already with keystone pipeline... it's a pipeline not an oil field and all that oil was rerouted. Read this article you ignoramus. I know you're going to say it's fake news but idiots like you don't understand it wouldn't really help. Just freaking read the entire article and challenge yourself to have an open mind. Use some critical thinking man. Oil companies make more money when prices are higher. The pipeline was a pipe dream and wasn't ever going to make a significant diff.

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../

[loveslongnails]

@Friendlybro79 Finally, someone who understands the farce of the pipeline. Thanks!

[Friendlybro79]

@loveslongnails It's so frustrating dealing with people that just want to use sound bites like keystone pipeline but don't understand how it affects prices and also refuse to believe anyone that disagrees with Trump. The oil companies are contributing huge sums of money into the pockets of politicians in the form of corporate donations, aka legal bribes that fund their campaigns. It's why we can't shift away from oil.. Even if you don't like renewable energy why can't people think forward past themselves and for the future babies they're all trying to save from abortions. They're going to need a viable energy source when oil fields run dry. I guess it doesn't matter if it doesn't affect them right now. We have to start sometime for the future

[normalice]

The problem is such people tend to not genuinely believe their own talking points but are conservative for reasons they aren't in any hurry to admit to (usually some iteration of fear). And what they seek above all is validation through like minded allies holding the line. The talking points are only ever intended as misdirection away from the crippling insecurities that lie beneath. You can argue with the talking points until you are blue in the face, you can win those arguments a million times, but in the end the thing that matters to them isn't something they will have ever discussed. Our natural inclination to get to the bottom of their reasons is the very thing they are resisting because they are ashamed of their reasons. And so they seek anyone who will normalize covering them up. The more infuriating the bullshit the better it acts as a cover. Say something blatantly incorrect and it goes viral with endless retweets and 24 hour news coverage - instead of the shameful things that are actually bothering conservatives getting discussed.

[loveslongnails]

@Friendlybro79 The obvious answer is yes, humans tend to deal only with what's right in front of them or the very foreseeable future. If there were no more oil fields to pump, the oil company magnets would try to control whatever was next.

[loveslongnails]

I believe that's why they're called "talking points" - it gives you something to "talk" about without ever understand what the REAL point is about.

[Oigit]

They don't have the numbers to pass any of it. Also people on both sides of the isle are so focused on the joke that is party based politics that people on both sides of the isle working to fix it would be committing political suicide. So it leaves many of us independents shacking out head and highly annoyed like always.

Seriously though I wonder how so many people focused on party based politics are even able to stand up and walk at times like this. Because so many Republicans and Democrats are willing to shoot themselves in the foot for their party, you call probably don't have a foot or leg to stand on.

[normalice]

If republicans came up with a plan was viable, democrats would absolutely pass it.

[Oigit]

Nope because both sides have to keep this good cop/bad cop game going. Party based politics is all about keeping people divided, distracted and fighting against one another. That why politicians on both sides can engage in insider trading and make good on all the promises they made to their major campaign contributes.

[normalice]

Nope democrats have been begging for bipartisan cooperation since day 1.

[Oigit]

Because they are the good cops at the moment. Also politics is a lot like all these movements claiming acceptance of everyone. There are always asteric in there with a list of terms fallowing it. So they might as well be honest and say we accept everyone that agrees to our terms. But since that does not sound as nice as preaching about accepting everyone, they bury those terms in a boatload jargon.

What some people refuse to realize is that both sides of the the political isle are pulling the exact same thing. So the left has their list of terms and so does the right. People are quick to play the blame game and paint their chosen side as hero's because it keeps them from accepting that their chosen side is just as dirty as the other.

[normalice]

Both sides are not pulling the same thing. One side tried to end democracy permanently, the other has not. Whatever other bullshit the far right fake news wants to throw at the wall, that will always continue to be the ground truth.

[exitseven]

All the things Trump did that were working were reversed on day 1 by Biden. what makes you think this time would be any different.

[normalice]

They weren't working. The inflation trends began the moment the Pfizer vaccine was announced.

[loveslongnails]

This is extreme for you, in the evaluation sense. Supplies dwindled as there was not enough labor to produce the steady stream prior to Covid. Other financial factors were in play as well. Armchair analysts like to forget that too, that economies do not expand constantly ad infinitum. This round of inflation was waiting to rear its head for YEARS as the economic gap between the haves, and have-nots continued to grow unchecked, eliminating more and more the working middle class's purchasing power. This is PRECISELY why "trickle-down economics" (Reaganomics) was bullshit - the middle-class and its purchasing power DRIVES economies, NOT the richest 3% - they just reap the benefits.

[NatalieIshereO]

@normalice you been in military? That's shocking

[normalice]

Any 40 year stretch summed up in a few sentences better have some shocking turns.

[ChooChooHaha]

Cause they are 2 faces of the same coin.

One that screws you, and one that screws you a little less. Remember, 2008 had a R president.

THEY BOTH SUCK. It's above their heads. "We give them power back." If they really wanted to, they'd fix it rn.

[normalice]

Republicans are just nasty which forces democrats to be nasty back. If someone grabs your purse and you grab it back, any observer who wanted to paint the purse snatcher in a positive light could just say "both sides are grabbing the purse." It may be a 100th order derivative to show the money belongs to us but it is still a straightforward result to show that it is exclusively democrats who want to spend any of it on us and republicans who want to steal it all for themselves.

[ChooChooHaha]

It's all bullshit anyway. D does this, R does that. What's the truth? Regardless of what "side" wins out, we the people will get the short stick.

[normalice]

The problem is only one side needs to be that bad in order for both sides to appear that way, as the very first thing the bad side will do is try to make the other side look just as bad. And that's exactly what has happened. There are defiantely some corrupt democrats but there are plenty that take their job seriously. Whereas if you are a republican that refuses to be corrupt, you get kicked out of the party.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

The GOP is still in shambles.

They can't manage to bump their heads together to cough up anything.

They have nothing to put on the table.

Still, the Dems are also struggling.

[normalice]

Republicans own like 70% of the media, though. That's whats sustaining them. Its kind of embarrassing that it works out so predictably but I guess if we are still so easily tricked into having our democracy taken away then we don't deserve it in the first place..

[RonStone45]

Get out of the paris climate accord? Not have a carbon tax? Get those pipelines going, Stop funding Ukraine and supporting the proxy war instigate by USA/Nato, negotiate a deal with Putin and make Ukraine a neutral state forever, undo the Russian gas ban, make sure that covid liberal hysteria policies never come back. Undo the student loan ''forgiveness'' if possible.

Didn't put much effort in making this comment, basically not going along with dumb liberal plans and try to undo the damage.

[normalice]

None of that is driving inflation except the Russian gas thing. And if you would give ground to fascism for cheaper gas, well I disagree, but it's still an opinion and if that's what Republicans are going with they should say so.

[godfatherfan]

Because the republican's don't want to fix anything. They want to give away everything to the rich and big business. Name anything that the republican's have ever done for the people? Any major initiative in the last 100 years has been the Democrats. The red hat lemmings just follow a traitor who wants to kill kids, kill Americans, and make more money for himself and his family. They were making 80k a day... a DAY from those dumb hats. But the lemmings just kept buying them.

I don't have a hat. I don't have a flag that says Biden or Democrats on it. I don't go to rally's. Why? Because I am not in a cult.

[bingbongbangbung]

Sure let's pretend Reagan never happened and that Obama totally never continued the shit Bush Jr did

[godfatherfan]

@bingbongbangbung We could only wish we could pretend that Reagan never happened. Until Trump, he was the worst President of my lifetime. History has shown what a disaster "trickle down economics" was. Just like a typical republican't, he gave all the money to the rich thinking they would do anything then what they did, kept it for themselves and screwed the workers.
Obama was the 2nd best after Clinton. He got healthcare for all the people that could not afford it, and soooooo much more. Coke head bush started a war we had no business being in just because his father failed to do the job he should have.

[mattdzz]

I remember when I was young and stupid like you, and thought a political party had some grand theory, held principles, and was the good guys.

Democrats have no clue what they're doing, because most Democrats, like most politicians are incredibly stupid and only interested in being reelected (read Anthony Downs).

Democrats were the ones who undercut our energy independence- this fantasy of clean energy that isn't nuclear is nonsense.

Further, Republicans have no incentive to create a detailed plan as they have no way of putting it into action. That's like expecting a sergeant in the military being expected to come up with some grand scheme for winning a war when he's not in power to do so.

[normalice]

Yeah, that is the sort of thing the far right fake news brainwashes it's suckers with, but they only say that because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[mattdzz]

Except for nearly everyone who ever served in the military and actually fought for the country, including myself...
Especially with the modern Democratic Party, of rainbow flag waving trannies, and black supremacists.

[normalice]

I was in the military, too. As you are demonstrating, it doesn't automatically render you immune to disinformation.

[mattdzz]

I bet my left nut you were a pog, a reservist, national guard, or some other nonsense... No deployments either, huh?

[normalice]

Not that it's any of your business but multiple deployments. But I think you've shown you aren't trying to participate in civilized conversation. You can't understqnd anything unless someone is spooning hate into your brain, like the worthless little rage addict you are 😅

[mattdzz]

I didn't get the impression this was a good faith conversation/ debate given the preposterous bias infused in your question...

[normalice]

Yeah, I suppose you far right simps are brainwashed into believing anything that doesn't drool out lEtS gO bRanDoN every four seconds is not only biased but also makes you a victim of being called a racist or whatever

Or, put another way you could have pointed out what was biased about it instead of just blurting out your far right disinformation. But ya didn't. Because you can't.

[mattdzz]

What kind of gaslighting nonsense are you on, pog? You try getting on some moral soapbox with "you clearly don't want to have a civilized conversation," while following it with an insult to the other sides intelligence...
What a luxury you leftists have that you can simply shift from one to another, while the other side must only resort to facts that you won't classify as racist...
Here's my unbiased response, dipshit: Republicans won't release a detailed plan to fix the economy because they're the minority party currently, and the biggest issues can't be addressed without a painful economic recalibration/ adjustment via a recession.

[normalice]

Your very first sentence was toxic garbage. I gave you multiple chances to correct course but you just went on being toxic garbage. So, I had to consider the possibility that that's just what you are and you have gone out of your way to avoid showing any sign that you might not be toxic garbage. Maybe it's some grand 4d chess thing. Or maybe you're just a shit person with a hate addiction like all the other far right trash.

[mattdzz]

You must have low intelligence, or you simply don't know how to have a good faith conversation/ debate. Fluctuating between insults and feigning moral superiority, without even the grace to make it look like anything other than you being bipolar.

[NatalieIshereO]

Too bad you are still stupid because you can't think rationally and have a bias

[mattdzz]

@NatalieIshereO First, everyone has a bias. And I don't want to hear about ration from a woman- we all know your minds don't work like that.

[normalice]

Nah, I tried as much as I'm willing to for free on the internet. You put up a wall of rhetoric from your far right cult, and so I lost interest. It's clear the only possible accomplishment left to me is to plant the seed that you're being suckered by divisive scammers so if you ever decide to step back from that ledge at least you might have the words for some of what you would be going through. I just happen to know that it helps is all.

[mattdzz]

You've not said a single original argument; so, why do you think it's the other side who is writing off a list from their cult? How pretentious is it to be so confident that a POLITICAL PARTY is a force for good, that anything to the contrary must be discounted as the rhetoric from a scammer... You're assuming I like Trump- clearly you listen as well as you do your own thinking, which is to say not at all.

[normalice]

An argument doesn't need to be original if it was never countered in the first place.

Anyway, I don't think democrats are a force for good. I just know republicans are 100% dedicated to giving the rich our money. Because that's what they do every time they get power, and then nothing else. But no one would vote for this so republicans get loud about literally anything to get votes, and have found unthinking anger to be the most effective. This has been going on at least since Reagan.

[NatalieIshereO]

@mattdzz is a creep. He defends female sexual predators who exploit underage boys

He's a pervert and has no logic.

[normalice]

Feel free to link an example if you're expecting me to judge him outside this conversation.

[RangerBlue22]

Real “impartial” poll options you got there.

Anyway whatever plan the Republicans have it has to be better than what the incompetent democrats have been doing for the last 2 years. And yes it IS mostly Biden’s fault inflation and energy prices are out of control.

Biden pushed for trillions of more dollars in unnecessary spending. Biden constrained and severely limited domestic oil drilling. Biden’s asinine pull out of Afghanistan emboldened Vladimir Putin to invade the Ukraine.

When the pandemic ended our economy was supposed to boom NOT f*cking recede. All Biden had to do was not get in the way. Just be a house plant in the Oval Office. But nooo he had to act like a senile version of Bernie Sanders thinking he would establish a legacy like FDR or something and he f*cking sucks at it.

“Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to f*ck things up.”

- Barack Obama (yes he really said that)

[normalice]

I'm happy to hear why you believe they are keeping their plan secret while people suffer. Democrats would love to have the problem fixed and haven't been shy about giving republicans credit when they earn it. So, what do you think is stopping republicans from sharing their plan?

[RangerBlue22]

“ Democrats would love to have the problem fixed and haven't been shy about giving republicans credit when they earn it.”

Reading that makes my stomach hurt from laughing. Give me an example of that happening.

[RangerBlue22]

I will repeat again. Things would of been much better now if Biden just didn’t DO anything. Instead he pushed through the infrastructure bill, the huge oxymoron “the inflation reduction act”, unilaterally relieved $600 in student debt (people who never went to college have to pay more in taxes now), crushed domestic oil production and again i do not believe Putin would of invaded the Ukraine if we didn’t pull out of Afghanistan.

[RangerBlue22]

If republicans controlled the house/senate they would of blocked at least half of Biden’s bullshit.

[normalice]

Democrats have repeatedly lauded praise on Liz Cheney for her staunch defense of democracy. I understand the far right fake news has probably told you to think she is some kind of liberal traitor or whatever, but that's specifically to keep you from acknowledging all the praise democrats are showering her with - and as you have demonstrated it worked on you quite as well as they had hoped.

But none of the noise by far right misinfotainment changes the fact that her voting record is probably further right than 90% of the Republicans in congress.

[normalice]

If republicans had the house or senate they would have blocked all government function all together. They want the end of democracy in this country so running the government into the ground is exactly the sort of thing they would and will do when they next get power. The fact that you continue to dodge the question of why you believe republicans plan to help the country is being kept secret only tells me you are well aware they have no such plan and are just addicted to the frothing right wing rage and agree we should finish off the country. I suppose that should have been a fourth option.

[RangerBlue22]

Liz Cheney? Really? I could give you a long list of Trump’s accomplishments but would you even blink at them? If you read them I will list them. But I know I said the mega trigger word “Trump”. Just hearing that word automatically makes liberals blood pressure skyrocket.

Anyway government does not “fix” the economy. Prívate businesses develop and provide resources to consumers which in turn develops markets, jobs, revenue and growth.

The government does NOT create wealth in itself. It taxes citizens to pay for government agencies and legislation.

I didn’t dodge the question you just missed the entire point. The economy would be fine if government would of just GOT OUT OF THE WAY after the pandemic. Businesses are reopening and consumers are spending again. But nooo the Biden administration just had to spend trillions in build back better insanity of money we don’t have for initiatives most people don’t care about.

Also while I believe global warming is real this is NOT a time to aggressively push ineffective so called renewable energy initiatives. Do you have $80k to buy a Tesla? Also again the Biden administration severely constrained domestic oil production. Now he is trying to negotiate with a brutal dictatorship in Venezuela to get more foreign oil from them. He tried to do a “quid pro quo” of threatening opec to not limit oil production for “at least a month” coincidentally right before midterms. He is releasing more of our strategic oil reserves trying to keep gas prices down because Americans are (rightfully) blaming him for skyrocketing fuel costs.

[RangerBlue22]

And gas spikes do NOT just impact what it costs to fill up your tank. It gets factored into shipping and transportation costs of goods and services. That is making food, goods, electronics and everything else skyrocket with inflation.

Again if republicans controlled the house/senate they would of stopped Biden from doing all this insane backward legislation bs in the last 2 years. We need them in to prevent him from f*cking up things even more.

[normalice]

Yes, as predicted you mocked the example you asked for instead of learn anything from it. Which means you were not asking in good faith; you are only here to find your way through a forest of fact to get back to your hate addiction. Why even bother to reply?

[RangerBlue22]

“Hate addiction”. Smdh.

You see a 42 year old man. You should be capable of using LOGIC over emotion. You can NOT depend on the government to solve all your problems. That’s been tried before in history and that’s call a centrally planned economy (communism). It never works.

Prívate citizens full an economy by creating businesses for supply and demand. That creates wealth. Again the government does not “create” wealth. It just taxes citizens and regulated civilizations. But private companies are what innovated and provided to consumers. They even provide to the government. Most technologies (even military) were developed by private enterprises.

You can’t tax civilians to create a “well balanced” society. You end constraining businesses and even forcing them to shut down. You sure as hell can’t spend your way out of debt.

The economy can only recover if the government gets out of the God damn way. The Biden administration has done the exact opposite.

[normalice]

Oh, sorry, did I give the impression i could be persuaded that you don't have a hate addiction if you mocked the idea? If so then I misled you.

[RangerBlue22]

Speak for yourself. Your the one who created a poll with “damned if you” option A and “damned if you don’t” option B and nothing else for someone who might hurt your feelings even if they logically disagree with you.

It’s one thing if some air headed 22 year old recently brainwashed college female created a poll with answer options like that. Quite another when a man twice her age does it.

When I create polls I at least have an “other” option C or even try to think as devils advocate when it comes to political disagreements. But besides criticizing your poll options I did NOT at any point personally insult you. However I brought up your age because it’s rather incredible that grown man’s POV is still disagreement = hate. You yourself said I was “addicted” to hate for politically disagreeing with you.

That nuts. However not surprising for a leftist but i am less forgiving when an older one does it. Especially if he’s a man.

But your political voting decisions have very real consequences. You could of hated on Trump and republicans all you want. I might dare agree with you about Trump’s often moronic personality. But I have no doubt he wouldn’t fucked up our economy and inflation the way Biden if he was still in office. And it does NOT matter if you are democrat or republican when it comes to the economy/inflation. That impacts EVERYBODY and the harms the working class poor the most (who democrats pay bs lip service to supposedly care about).

Biden was elected for one reason: he wasn’t Trump. But “the grass is greener on the other side” has left our country on a pile of manure. Biden absolutely sucks.

[normalice]

Those are the options republicans have presented for us. They could easily provide the third option you seek by giving the details of their plans. Not more lofty goals, but the means to achieve them. But they won't because they want you to choose them without any expectations beyond making you feel better on their terms.

[RangerBlue22]

Almost every piece of legislation the Biden administration has pushed through has been bad for the economy, inflation and national security (border crisis). Biden is just not in touch with reality. Not a surprise given his age but he is in a echo chamber of elitist usually radical democrats. It’s easy to not care about inflation when you are already a millionaire. It’s easy to not worry about the economy when you have a guaranteed paying job working in Congress for your term (AOC will never have to go back to bartending). It’s easy to not worry if you are working a sector that is historically insulated from a recession (healthcare, education, etc). The Great Recession of 2008-2009 disproportionately harmed men more than women because worked in more at risk sectors like construction.

The first job of republicans is first to block any more stupid and counterproductive legislation that is making the economy/inflation worse. Their second job is to pass legislation that encourages growth and expansion of enterprise. One way to do that is to quit taxing the hell out of people and “corporations”. Whenever democrats think of “taxing corporations” they immediately think all corporations are like Amazon. No they are NOT. I own a small corporation for side work I do. If you crush businesses with taxes and regulations they can’t afford to hire new employees and expand.

[normalice]

Every piece of legislation democrats have put through has been extraordinary good for the economy. This is why Republicans keep showing up to claim credit for projects being funded in their districts despite the fact that they voted against them. They know democrats have done an incredible job. But they also know they have to say otherwise because they also also know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[RangerBlue22]

“ Every piece of legislation democrats have put through has been extraordinary good for the economy.”

Do you really believe that? Logically prove it.

[normalice]

Lol. Prove it over the internet to a guy who has gone out of his way to shonhenis determined to believe the opposite no matter what because it makes him feel better? Alright. First let's ask what would qualify as proof. For example, how was it proven to you that every piece of legislation was bad for the economy? Knowing that productive/infrastructure bills take a couple years to show any effect in life and knowing that, by all metrics we are definitely performing better than every other major country, what exactly passes for proof to you these day? Just whatever ends in "therefore democrats fault lets go Brandon more christian nationalism please" is your litmus test for accuracy? Before I even consider beginning I just want make sure you're aware that's not how logic works.

[Ill_made_Knight]

They have a plan. That plan is to continue to destroy all public programs and privatize everything.
Post office, public schools, medicare / medicaid, social security.
Republicans want to fill their pockets and enrich their donors (see Trump's 2017 "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act") which was a tax cut gift to the wealthy and the corporations which will blow a 2 trillion dollar hole in the defecit over 10 years.
But hey, on the bright side they tried to install a dictator Jan 6 so...

[OpenClose]

For the same reason they said they had "the best healthcare plan" and then the moment they had all branches of Congress, they basically turned into a bunch of angry chimps and threw shit at the walls and called it a plan. They never actually had a replacement to Obamacare. Probably because they originally wrote it, and realized they couldn't improve it from the right flank. They had to rely on the fact that most of their voters didn't realize that ACA and "Obamacare" are the same thing.

I mean I know most of Biden's stuff, like forgiving student debt, is just to bolster midterms numbers. But shit at least he's got something real to show for it.

[exitseven]

Reporters asked Trump what he would do to get America on the right track again. He rattled off a half dozen things like drill for more oil and gas, secure the border, and stop crazy spending. What he proposed would work too because they worked before,

[User3191989]

Republicans plan to "fix the economy", is to cut medicare and s. s. in half and or remove it completely". And lower taxes for the rich.

It's called Regaonomics, or "trumped up economics" IT DOESN'T WORK, AND IT NEVER WILL. IT'S BEEN TESTED NUMEROUS TIMES, AND IT DOES NOT WORK

[joeldalton]

The profile pic looks exactly like someone who’d make this comment would look.

[Cubus]

"It's called Regaonomics, or "trumped up economics" IT DOESN'T WORK, AND IT NEVER WILL. IT'S BEEN TESTED NUMEROUS TIMES, AND IT DOES NOT WORK"

Reaganomics reduces inflation, and led USA out of the recession.

[Sargentcaptain]

Wait, wait, hold on.

Timeline:

> Republicans have power

> economy was doing real good

> Democrats get power

> economy hits the shitter

But here's the Democrat gigabrain tactic, blame Republicans - for supposedly not having a plan to fix economy that tanked because of the Democrats. This level of bullshit and propaganda truly is astonishing, Big Brother would be proud.

[normalice]

So, they don't have a plan is what I'm hearing. Glad i got you to you admit it 🙂

[JulianGronkowski]

Member when gas prices were also over $5 a gallon when Obama was President? I member…

Seriously though, if people just voted with their wallet in mind every 4 years I don’t think a democrat would ever win again. But “wah trump’s a deusche and I don’t like him. Joe seems like a good guy.” They got their wish, now the stock market’s way down, interest rates are way up, housing prices are through the roof, groceries are through the roof, inflation is the highest in 40+ years, and Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan will continue to feed these overarching economical problems. Is 50% of our country really this dumb, or really this masochistic? Apparently…

[pers0n]

How about we start thinking for ourselves, rather than bidding on politicians as if it's some sports? (Which it really is, as much a waste of time and as fake and staged and the winner is already selected.) Although the Republicans are literally less retarded, they're still looking to enslave us whether the orange tranny trump or abomination obama is in the oval office, everyone who has ever sat in this office is a tranny.

[normalice]

You mean you don't think a republican would ever win. Every single economic crash in the last 40 years was preceeded by reckless republican policies.

[Anonymous]

They have a plan, but the leftists would just steal it and say it was their own.

And since equality is soo "important" to the leftists, to those leftists who feel its important to point out they belve Republicans would do something similar, I take it for the sake of equality if Trump said somethign bad and Biden says something similar Biden would need to recive just as much negativity, for the sake of equality, right?

A disslike to this comment is a disslike to leftism and their fake pretence of wanting equality.

[normalice]

Republicans could just announce their plan loudly and repeatedly to ensure they get credit for itl

[Lookingforthetruth]

Except most of the media outlets are purely left leaning and try to censor anything the right does that is good for america.

[normalice]

That's what the far right fake news says but in real life the media is overwhelmingly dominated by far right disinformation. They are the side with all the billionaires, after all. But they want you to feel like you are oppressed and have to work to hear them so they tell the lie that most the media is liberal.

But in any case, democrats have constantly tried to push credit onto any republican that would take it for the bipartisan infrastructure package. You could develop some elaborate explanation for why, and I'm sure the far right fake news has, but the simple boring fact is that democrats have been begging for bipartisan cooperation since day 1 whereas republicans have been refusing to cooperate for the last 20 years.

[DarkWinterNights]

@normalice, Hate to tell you this, but it’s Dems now that are the party of the rich. Look up the affiliations of the largest corporations and donors in America.

[normalice]

You mean you love to tell me that because the far right fake news told you it would trigger the libs to tell that lie. But no, Republicans are the party of deregulating big corporations and cutting their taxes. They say so, proudly and often, so it's weird they've tricked anyone to believe it's actually the democrats.

[DarkWinterNights]

@notmalice, Actually I think it was The Hill that reported on it. I don’t watch far right news.

[normalice]

The hill has ample far right writers. Some moderates too, though, but it's silly to think it not far right just because it's the hill.

[DarkWinterNights]

@normalice, Sorry, autocorrect changed your username. True, but according to Ground. news, The Hill is considered Center: “These publications have no discernable political position. They use very few loaded words and the reporting is well sourced. On a given issue, they present a relatively complete survey of key competing positions. This rating does not necessarily represent “balance” or “neutrality.” A Center rating does not imply that the position is best or most valid.”

[normalice]

Right, on average they are at the center because they have a bunch of left leaning moderates but a sprinkling of way-off-the-deep-end far right writers.

[Opinion Owner]

Regarding your update, why would you not have added an option for those who don't think Republicans are bad? While this link is about gaming
boundingintocomics.com/.../
It would not surprise me if there is a general anti-conservative bias in media.

[normalice]

I'm only interested in realistic responses. Any opinions that assume republicans act in good faith is unrealistic.

[Opinion Owner]

And what make you think Republicans acting in good faith is more unrealistic than Dems or Libs doing so? So why the heck ask this question if you already have the answer you want in mind instead of asking because you are geniunely open to answers? Sounds like you just want people to agree with you.

Also, republicans announcing their plan loudly and repeatedly won't work once the left has stolen it. Leftist media outlets will just paint it as the right trying to steal the idea they actually came up with.

[normalice]

Republicans have been openly rooting for Biden's failure since the instant his victory was announced. McConnell proudly admitted he was 100% focused on stopping the Biden agenda. And he succeeded in stopping the Biden agenda of reigning in gas prices and inflation, cutting our dependence on foreign oil, etc. Why would I bother forcing bothsides narrative when republicans have been openly flaunting their bad faith behavior for 5 decades, indeed pushing it as a selling point because they have conned their base into thinking "triggering the libs" is more important than taking their fucking job seriously. You would all be pissed if a poor person spent so much time sitting on their hands and collecting a paycheck as republican politicians do. But you accept it because you have been told democrats do it too. That's a real shit-for-brain reason to accept it, even if it were true.

[DarkWinterNights]

Gas prices are all Biden. The day he entered office and signed his executive orders, my company lost Billions in the cancellation of domestic projects. Then with banks refusing to fund oil companies due to the Biden Admins war on “fossil fuels”, this is the Democrats problem they created that they have to fix.

[normalice]

Banks defiately didn't refuse to fund oil companies, lmao

[SoIcyGang]

To fix the economy in my opinion requires a lot of de regulation.

Democrats don't wanna do it. And Republicans want to do it the wrong way.

As far as I understand it. But I don't know much because I can't stand politics of today. I wish I could focus on it but it just feels like a gigantic sham.

[normalice]

Yeah, Republicans trick new batches of people into thinking that is a solution every time republicans get power, and every time it results in an economic crash.

[JDavid25]

Maybe they only plan they have is to let the economy fix itself.. But the Democrats ruined the economy purposefully.. Why would they want a plan to fix it.. I highly doubt they do.. It's just theater as usual.. Don't need this political blame nonsense.. You (as usual) ate playing sides just because.

[normalice]

If that is their plan then they should say so, thus admitting the groundwork democrats have laid is enough. But they won't because they want unearned power, as always..

[JDavid25]

The Democrats f**Ked things up by closing everything down and thus putting small businesses out of work.. Not to mention the minimum wage going up making it harder for them.. Plus, like I and others have mentioned I doubt they want an actual plan when it ruins their theater..

[normalice]

Republicans closed everything down and then repeatedly blamed democrats for it. I didn't think that old adage about repeating lies makes them become even truth was true but wow.

[WindAtMyBack]

The government can't fix the economy. The economy depends on the people more than anything else. The government can break the economy but they can't fix it. At best they can nudge it a little, but it still boils down to the people doing it themselves.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Because realistically there's nothing they can do about it unless they get a huge majority in both chambers of congress in this upcoming mid-term which they won't attain.

The Republicans will need to win the the power of the White House in 2024 (which they most likely will) to start impacting the economy in the direction they desire for it to go.

[goaded]

You mean winning on the basis that the economy they've crashed (again) is bad under Biden, then cancelling social security and Medicare altogether?

They're already talking about taking the debt ceiling hostage.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@goaded: They cancel social security and Medicare they won't ever see the White House ever again, not to mention they won't have the votes to cancel such very popular programs.

[bingbongbangbung]

Sure let's ignore how the US economy under Trump was the best in decades before the pandemic happened, and the 2008-2009 financial crisis didn't happen under Obama

[goaded]

@bingbongbangbung Uh, are you saying the 2007-2008 financial crisis happened under Obama, who didn't get into office until 2009? Trump was allowed massive deficit spending that was denied Obama, and the economy just continued the years-long improvements that started under Obama.

[HighValue]

https://www.republicanleader.gov/commitment/

There are links on there with their intentions.

[normalice]

That is not a plan. That's just generic canned statements and lofty goals. No indication of how to accomplish any of it.

[HighValue]

Really? You read all of that, multiple pages and responded in less than one minute? Amazing. your lies and hypocrisy know no bounds. Completely trash opinions and lies.

[normalice]

I've seen it before today, lol 😂

[888theGreat]

They did , they made a promise sheet. Basically if they just do the opposite of Democrats everything will be better.

Get your head out of your ass and listen. This makes you look stupid.

Quit listening to all those queer CNN reporters

[normalice]

You mean the opposite of everything the far right fake news told you democrats were doing because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[MountAverage]

Republicans have stopped running on policies years ago. It's all about "culture wars". That's all they can talk about it. Sadly, it works. Because there's just too many braindead people who fall for it.

[andreasderjuengere]

Someone must have stolen the plan.

Once it's recovered, they will certainly share their ideas.

[goaded]

They really ought to learn to make copies of these things. Or remember what they wrote.

[Jltakk]

All Biden had to do was let the Keystone Pipeline continue. The entire economy basically rode on that project, as it would 100% remove dependency to Russia and Saudi Arabia for resources. The domino effect that is all on him and he had the easiest job in the world. What a bum. Bring back the Alaskan Pipeline and watch the money roll in.

[A_Bell]

I think 90 of their plan is to throw the drunk driver out of the seat and apply the brakes.

At this point, that's all everyone wants.

[normalice]

They should explain what that means. But they're not. They're just blurting out anger and fear with no solutions. Their plan, should they get power, is to just stop talking about it.. and while that won't actually help anyone it will remove it as a campaign issue.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Why should they? Democrats would take it, pass it and say they came up with the idea.

That doesn't just happen in politics, it happens in the business world to.

[tfan1]

Winner winner chicken dinner! You hit the mail on the head! Those evil demonic rats would just take credit for it and say to hell with the republicans.

[tfan1]

Stupid autocorrect! Supposed to be hit the Nail on the head not mail lol

[pers0n]

@tfan1 the very top of the pyramid is all on the same team anyway. And we know that free energy technology admittedly exists and keeps getting confiscated. newspunch.com/canadian-minister-illuminati/

[goaded]

I'm sure Republicans would be completely silent about voting for something that helped their constituents. Just like they are about things they voted against that helped their constituents.

[normalice]

Republicans could announce it well before hand, assuring they take all the credit. But anyway, what kind of psycho would think taking credit for fixing something that is hurting people is more important than fixing it? Answer: Republicans, who routinely do exactly that.

[DarkWinterNights]

Democrats have had two years with majorities. All they did was make everything worse.

[normalice]

Things are substantially better. The far right fake news is telling people things are worse but that's just because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[DarkWinterNights]

SUBSTANTIALLY better? For who? I can’t afford to buy a home. Rent is higher than ever. New vehicles are unaffordable. I’m paying $120 to fill up my gas tank a week. Food is extraordinarily expensive. I’ve had to completely change my spending habits to a pod falling into heavy credit card debt. Crime is out of control. Peoples cars are being stripped in parking lots where I live. People don’t need to be told things are bad by “right wing fake news” when it slaps them in the face every time they leave the house.

[normalice]

For everyone. Inflation is a problem, yes but that's a global problem. You can't pin that on democrats. What you can do is compare us to the rest of the world and we are in a far better position than most of the world because of the efforts of the democrats. Unfortunately it is the case that, and what i was getting at, there is no instant fix for this. Democrats have laid the groundwork for us to build our way out of this problem. In 2-3 years we will have the infrastructure and domestic manufacturing in place such that the global supply collapse will have minimal impact on us. But that assumed we don't let Republicans sabotage it, which they have repeatedly said they will definatwly do. Because they want inflation. Corporations getting more money for less work? That's the entire reason Corporations bought the republican party. Of course they love the idea.

As for crime, democrats included a ton of funding for local police departments but they don't have the power to direct their actions. you'll have to ask your mayor or governor about it the cars being stripped. I will say right wing media pushing everyone to be paranoid and violent probably isn't helpful, though.

[pers0n]

How about the ftm tranny cucdeau raising the fucking electricity cost even though they fucking brag how green and renewable most of Canada's electricity is, and is completely untouched by any stupid war?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HuywRWXQ5jU

[Friendlybro79]

@aerissa_jade just like the repubelicans are doing with the infrastructure bill? Voting it down, calling it socialism, and then asking for money because they needed money for infrastructure lol?

[DarkWinterNights]

The problem isn’t what the bill is named. It’s what is actually in it. They like to name omnibus packages something noble then sneak controversial partisan things into it, so if they actually read the bill and vote against it, they look like the bad guy. Both sides have done that for decades.

[Friendlybro79]

@DarkWinterNights you def have some partial truth here to your point but remember Republicans also lied and have been fact checked to have lied when talking about this in the infrastructure bill. They aren't held accountable to lies. (No party is to be fair) in this instance they were saying only 5-7% of the bill was going to infrastructure and if I recall lied about weird hidden agendas that just weren't in the actual bill. Basically half of the people still believe that because that's what fox and trump told them even though it was a lie...

[Aerissa_Jade]

@normalice Substantially better my ass... go live in small town Wyoming where Biden fucked over all the jobs on day one by killing energy production... you just proved you have no FUCKING CLUE how bad things have gotten under Biden... all one has to do is live in rural America under Trump and under Biden.

Oh right, Democrats don't care about Rural America... that is why there isn't any here. You all only care about your big ass cities and the rest of us you don't give a damn.

[pers0n]

Whatever the situation is, I will suck the cock that stinks the least of the two, and pretend that I'm straight.

[Friendlybro79]

@pers0n I almost shat myself reading this. Lol

[pers0n]

@Friendlybro79 good thing you didn't... or else you would blame it on the one that stinks the worst... is the dickhead that stinks the worst to you named trump? Or is it biden? Blamed it on him... and blow the other? Lol. Seriously though? It's the same thing. They are both our enemies. They are both illuminati trannies. Time to put on our "they live" glasses https://youtu.be/0AQKYtlTxm4

[normalice]

Out of curiosity, can you give an example of a time someone complained about democrats but then some bothsides person came in and tried to say "Republicans also.."? I have a theory the bothsides talking point was invented for the express purpose of defending Republicans and am open to the possibility that I am wrong - just need to find as many examples of it being used to defend democrats as republicans. Current tally is 0 - 100,989,994

[DarkWinterNights]

Because polls show republicans don’t like republicans. Which is ironic considering the left always accuses the republicans of being in a cult.

[pers0n]

The Washington monument is a dick inside a vesica pisces...


Then as the baphomet who has male and female organs at once, does the as-above-so-below pose,



So does george Washington in his apotheosis painting.



Also with obelisk symbols by his sides like by the baphomet.

Then you look as how feminine the founding fathers and masculine their wives looked..

It's clearly about some religious "anal traditions" as sofia informs us in the very beginning of this
https://youtu.be/ZVrZI1tj7IU

I see them literally all as trannies.



Even queen charles and putin whose mom looked like a guy... her brow bone was almost as big as Charles's alleged dad's


https://youtu.be/-ZcabnLvJco

Not surprising that the lady liberty is actually a guy holding his own chopped off meat.

What is the significance of the double helix staircase inside, and the torch that the Statue of Liberty is holding? ↗

[Friendlybro79]

@DarkWinterNights nah Republicans are just like Christians... as many of them are... they're just fighting over who's not Republican enough

[pers0n]

I have my problems with churchianity. But they're less disgusting and degenerative than the religions that turn you queer... maybe connect the dots with government and occultism?
Religious historian Rivkah Harris, former Associate Professor of Religion at Northwestern University, states in her book, Gender and Aging in Mesopotamia: The Gilgamesh Epic and Other Ancient Literature, that the goddess Ishtar was also known as Inanna, and her worship was specifically designed to break down all gender distinction and well as socioeconomic distinctions. She writes: “She [Ishtar] shattered all gender and socioeconomic distinctions -- being both a royal queen and simultaneously “the harlot of heaven... And in all this she was the role model for her followers. Among her powers was this from a Sumerian poem: “To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inanna.” Professor Harris further writes: “In the Descent of Ishtar we are told of some participants in her religious cult: ‘The male prostitutes comb their hair before her…They decorate the napes of their necks with colored bands…They gird themselves with the sword belt…Their right side they adorn with women’s clothing…Their left side they cover with men’s clothing…Their transvestitism simulated the androgyny of Inanna- Ishtar. It was perhaps the inversion of the male/female binary opposition that thereby neutralized this opposition. By emulating their goddess who was both female and male, they shattered the boundary between the sexes. This was seen as a way of rising above the prison of the flesh.” Finally, Harris concludes: “Ishtar is androgynous, marginal, ambiguous…She is betwixt and between… Central to the goddess as paradox is her well-attested psychological and physiological androgyny. Inanna-Ishtar is both female and male … [in one place stating] ‘Though I am a woman I am a noble young man.'"

[pers0n]

The illuminati trannies are evil as fuck.

Literal satanic symbolism right on their fake sacrifice of the leading tranny.







Which was obviously fake to every minute detail..
These things don't happen in real life.

Liberals who loved the queen, did you know her connection to Jesuits? What the jesuit oath says? And is QAnon a CIA controlled psyop (not trolling)? ↗

[Jamie05rhs]

"substantially better" SMH... Get the fuck outta here.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Friendlybro79 No, actually Democrats are just like Christians. Gaslighting them by telling them they should be thankful because at least their lives are better than those poor miserable folks over there in the third world countries.

[pers0n]

All this is is divide and conquer. Which brain hemisphere would you rather throw away? The left one or the right one? That is exactly what politics do to you. Exactly that. Throw one away and act like a slave. Throw away the other and act like a master of slaves. Except the right brain hemisphere is linked to the left side of politics.

But the real "they live" glasses is seeing that all presidents are trannies.

[goaded]

@pers0n "But the real "they live" glasses is seeing that all presidents are trannies. "
You do realise that that's literally insane?

[pers0n]

@notmalice No, the higher ups go way too far on the right, and others gi way too far on the left. I dont think it's necessary to mention all the absurdities proposed by the left. They both do it.

@goaded like it or not, the truth stays the truth

[pers0n]

It's literally all over your posts.
Take an example of the cow's farts causing climate and wipe out 75% of insect population so we need to swap to soy burgers to have less cows farting around. Really?

Even when after a year of cow grazing the field turns greener (which means it absorbs more carbon), and a year of soy growing it looks like a desert.
When the Canadian defense minister himself as I linked, talks about suppression of free energy, and politicians on both sides profit from the way energy is sold right now.

Look how the liberal authorities care for your health.
Innumerable agrochemicals some of which were banned in Europe 3 decades ago, but "2017, Health Canada concluded that the risks atrazine poses are not harmful to our health and the environment." -when begged to do something about awfully high atrazine content.

"atrazine is commonly detected in Toronto’s municipal drinking water sources and has been found in Montreal tap water with levels that exceed the EU contamination standard"

They just don't hide it anymore.
www.nationalgeographic.com/.../150305-chemicals-endocrine-disruptors-diabetes-toxic-environment-ngfood

The same way they can't really hide the fact that vaccines are harmful and were never meant to help people.

[normalice]

Yeah, democrats aren't actually advocating for that. The far right fake news just says they are to... create... division..

[goaded]

@pers0n "The same way they can't really hide the fact that vaccines are harmful and were never meant to help people. " Again, no.

[pers0n]

@goaded your "no" has no meaning. Yes the covid vaccines are a sham, and so were many others such as tetanus, which was tested again in 2014 and HCG was found, but debunkers never mention it.

[Anonymous]

So, you Democrats want Republicans to tell you how to get yourselves out of the deep hole you've dug for yourselves (and for all of us), just in time for mid terms? Come on, you're not that naïve, are you?

[Opinion Owner]

"Democrats have already laid the groundwork for energy independence"

Haha, good one! That was hilarious, thanks for the laugh!

[normalice]

Democrats have never been shy about giving republicans due credit when they earn it. You're really okay with republicans just letting everyone suffer while they keep their secret genius plan to themselves as a hostage to force you to vote for them?

[Opinion Owner]

"Democrats have never been shy about giving republicans due credit when they earn it." <---bullshit

Again, why are you expecting Republicans to fix the problem Democrats have created over the last two years.

[normalice]

I'm expecting them to provide substance to back their words. And you should, too. But you dont.

Because you know they don't have any..

[Opinion Owner]

"I'm expecting them to provide substance to back their words." LMAO!

[normalice]

Yes, it's hilarious that ~70 million people will vote for a party that offers nothing. Funny that they will have power over the future and will use it to take our money like they always have. Hahaha ha.

[Opinion Owner]

Your team elected Biden in 2020, and he has literally devastated the US economy over the last two years, yet you're here bitching about Republicans not showing him how to fix it for him. Do you really not see the comedy in that?

[normalice]

He hasn't devastated the US economy. In fact he saved it from the near certian doom your fat dumbass put us on track for. And you knew he was a dumbass all along - thats why you people smeared your poop on the wall to keep him in power: because he represents you perfectly.

[Opinion Owner]

"... he saved it from the near certian doom"

Firstly, LMAO!!!

And secondly, invest a little time in yourself and learn to spell, dumbass.

[normalice]

You mean invest in this conversation and check for typos. Sorry, no. You have given no indication that you are a serious person 😅

[BJP21]

First thing they gotta do is suck every corporate elitist off, and then put it in their ass. Behind closed doors.

[AviatorTom]

Not to be confrontational, but where's the Democrat's plan to fix the economy?

[joeldalton]

Another $50 billion to Ukraine.

[AviatorTom]

@normalice Does anyone really think that energy independence and domestic manufacturing is going to "fix the [US] economy"? Remember that we are all part of a global economy and becoming more isolated (as you seem to imply) is not going to work.

[normalice]

Yes. Energy is it's own unique problem in that it is parasitic. It doesn't produce anything tangible. It just allows other people to produce. And it is in limited supply. Increasing that supply in one area reduces demand everywhere else. It might hurt the energy industry but again they don't produce anything but fumes so all it will do is make it cheaper. However, it is also true that the Energy industry is owned by some really violent people so once we stop placating them with gobs of free money they might become hostile on the global scale. But that's a whole other thing.

As for domestic manufacturing, the main driver of inflation right now is supply chain issues. Domestic manufacturing minimizes the impact of that for all time. We can still sell the things to the other countries that buy them. The countries that currently do the manufacturing arguably shouldn't have in the first place, because the reason they were moved there is for the cheap labor. Bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US doesn't isolate us, it isolates the countries that allow for cheap labor.

[AviatorTom]

@normalice Have you been listening to the experts lately? The supply chain is no longer a problem. The main economic issue now is inflation, caused by overspending by governments around the world, spending money that doesn't exist, until the government creates it.

[normalice]

The supply chain is the reason for inflation. It is not caused by overspending. That's just the narrative the far right fake news has been saying for the last 100 years because they want us to spend our money on them instead of us. To suggest overspending is a problem is to suggest the sole reason people are raising prices is price gouging. But that's not possible if competitors have ample supply, which they don't, because of supply chain issues. Unless you're suggesting competitors are conspiring with each other to keep prices high just because they can, but that's illegal.

[loveslongnails]

They don't HAVE a plan. LOL Just like they didn't have a plan for Health Care for the past 50 years.

[Chazmatazz269]

Ell oh ell! Are you being deliberately dense? Sabotage politics has been going on for decades and both sides are equally guilty.

[Guy13]

Do not worry. Trump will lay it out for you !!

[normalice]

Is that before or after he gets Mexico to pay for the wall, lol 😂

[Guy13]

You are living in the past but asking about Present to Future 🤷🏻‍♂️

[normalice]

Because someone with a long history of being a pathological liar who faced no consequences will abruptly decide to be honest all on their own. 🤭 yeah, thats definitely how that works 🤣🤣

[MrTaboo]

Theu have. Talk about it all the time. Cut taxes, open up energy production, get government out of the way of businesses, close boarders, stop giving money away we don't have.

[normalice]

Tax cuts are a big part of why we are in this mess. Energy production is already open. Government isn't "in the way of business", borders are closed. As for giving away money we dont have, something like 80% of the debt was accrued under republicans administrations. And yet, here we are. Have you considered the possibility that republicans are lying to you?

[MrTaboo]

Oh, wow. You need to open your eyes.

Most Taxes hurt the economy.

Where are all the illegals Boden is flying around country coming from?

And Dems have added 80% of the national debt since Clinton.

[normalice]

By open your eyes you mean watch the far right fake news. No thank you. I prefer reality to a rage addiction.

[MrTaboo]

So your admitting that you keep yourself in the liberal bubble and can't handle any other points of view

[normalice]

I'm saying I'm outside the far right fake news bubble. But I suppose as someone firmly lodged in it you wouldn't be able to tell which side is the outside.

[OddBeMe]

Mmm like their “plan” to replace obamacare. Non-existent.

[Anonymous]

No, sadly your wrong. The democrats are only interested in their power. The President clearly forced us into this position where gas prices are up and will go higher. They just want to push the whole climate change crap over helping us.

[justint043]

Joe Biden is the most corrupt, brain dead president I've ever seen in my lifetime

[justint043]

All of his spending trillions have put our economy in the shitter. #Desantis #Tulsi 24

[normalice]

He definitely didn't force us into this position. Supply lines were crippled under Trump. Refineries were scuttled under Trump while the left howled of the long term consequences. Well, here we are dealing with them. Take the blame.

[Friendlybro79]

@justint043 and all the Republicans that voted the infrastructure bill down because it was socialism and now are asking the government for checks to better their infrastructure lol.. just accept the fact that neither of them are great both parties have a lot to do regarding making things more for us the people and less about their power... Neither party is that good.

[virginloserguy]

@Friendlybro79 I agree the two-party system is terrible, but socialist Democrats are much better than the traditional establishment Democrats and Republicans. Rich people vote for the establishment Democrats like Obama and Biden. And edgy right-wingers vote for trump because they believe in some cultural Marxist conspiracy theories

[virginloserguy]

Our only reasonable option is socialist democrats. Unions are not communism, their fundamental rights. Look, in Norway, everyone pays their taxes, rich or poor. No big corporation gets away. They pay their fair share too.

https://youtu.be/S9-wnCNx80E

[Friendlybro79]

@virginloserguy They're really called progressives the socialist democrats you're referring to although they're kind of the same thing. Most people hear either of those words and have no real idea what it means. They just see commie or think Venezuela.

[jongreat46]

They have no plan and their only plan is to enrich their pockets without paying taxes.

[AngryCarl]

The only plan Republicans have is for a Russian-style one-party system.

[Anonymous]

It’s a pretty simple plan.

Get rid of Biden and the Left. Problem solved.

Yes. It really is that simple. 🤷‍♂️

[normalice]

Thats not a real plan, lol. Thats just trolling 😂

[TroyDT2]

Politics. Inflation is out of control and gas is insane. They be stupid to distract from that narrative?

[TroyDT2]

They'd be

[Anonymous]

Democrats are out here supporting baby killing , giving our tax dollars to lazy people on welfare and section 8, endorsing gays and obesity. Democrats are horrible that's why we are debt now

[normalice]

Not in real life, though. That's just the narrative the far right fake news brainwashes its suckers with because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[Opinion Owner]

It's in real life

[normalice]

Nope. Sorry you were misled.

[Opinion Owner]

So y'all are delusional too🤣

[normalice]

Not in real life, sorry 😔

[Juxtapose]

You mean like how Obama straight up stole Mitt Romney's healthcare plan?

[goaded]

How many Republicans voted for "Mitt Romney's" healthcare plan? None.

The Democrats didn't "steal" it, they foolishly assumed that putting forward the Republican's own plan from the 1990's (as a counter to genuine universal health care) would get some votes from Republicans. Why didn't Republicans ever put it forward during a Republican administration?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Do you honestly think him taking one of their plans and slapping his name on it would change how they view it?

[goaded]

No, but you seem to. And Obama isn't Trump, he didn't "slap his name on it", it was always called the Affordable Care Act, the media stuck the name on it.

If it was a Republican proposal, why didn't they vote for it or propose it when they were in power?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Mitt Romney is a sociopathic whore who just wanted a free giveaway to insurance companies

[goaded]

Wasn't that "sociopathic whore" Republican candidate for president?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Yeah and you wouldn't catch me dead voting for that piece of shit. He's the one that claimed corporations are people, he's more dangerous than Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, George Bush or any of those other scumbags.

[normalice]

Yes and the main way democrats tried to get the teapublicans to vote for it is by pointing out it was pretty much exactly Mitt Romney's plan. But rthe tea party was just taking over republicans and they went on about death panels and opposed it pretty much unanimously. Because they are not serious people. They are pirates dressed up as politicians, here to take our money while they put on whatever show they need to so long as it stops us from stopping them from taking our money..

[Juxtapose]

We should be supporting people like Ron DeSantis and how Bernie Sanders used to be before he bent the knee.

[Juxtapose]

Both political sides are looking to fuck us.

[goaded]

DeSantis? Really? The man is literally doing impressions of Trump on stage, his covid actions killed thousands of Floridians, and he's taking credit for fuel price cuts paid for by legislation that not a single Republican voted for.

[normalice]

I realize the bothsides narrative is entertaining but entertaining lies are not helpful to fixing the problem. If you figure out how to elevate republicans to the standards imposed on democrats, by all means share with the rest of the class, but until then consider who it helps to say the wasp is equal to the honeybee.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Florida has done a fantastic job, the lockdowns and all that other fascist nonsense has not helped anybody. If anything going outside for fresh air is better than staying locked in. And fuck anyone who wants to curtail our civil liberties for the sake of a fucking virus lol. The right to peaceably assemble shall not be infringed.

[Juxtapose]

I know you really believe Republicans are different from Democrats but that's not the reality. The Democrats are acting just like the Republicans did when George W Bush was in power.

[goaded]

Florida has done a fantastic job of overtaking New York's 30,000 deaths lead, despite the availability of vaccines.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded you mean those fake numbers that were inflated?

[normalice]

Democrats are acting nothing like Republicans did when Bush was in power and certianly nothing like when Trump was in power. I understand how soothing it is to believe both sides are the same but it only helps the greater evil to say so.

[Juxtapose]

Whenever you say man, you're clearly far too gone.

[normalice]

Hey, that's what I was going to say. Anyone who can't name a single thing republicans do wrong without instantly searching for some example, however contrived, of democrats doing it too, but doesn't return the favor when democrats do something wrong is clearly saturated in the far right "bothsides" cult.

[goaded]

"you mean those fake numbers that were inflated?"
Which ones? The New York ones from the CDC that Republicans were crowing about a couple of years ago, or the Florida ones from, uh, Florida?

ww11.doh.state.fl.us/.../

[Anonymous]

Don't want to give the democrats ideas that might keep Dem-entia Joe and his genocidal cerowd in power

[normalice]

So, B.

[Opinion Owner]

Remember if you're white, male or republican then the left wants you executed and will do it once they pass the mid-terms

[normalice]

Well, that's what the far right fake news wants you to remember, anyway. But that's just because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit..

[Opinion Owner]

Funny bit is they will clip ya boy Joey to instill the meth kingpin of the Ukraine, Munter Buden who thanks to his Daddio has recently expanded into Afghan brown as well as fentanyl due to his communist comrades

[normalice]

Yeah, that's kind of the extent of the republican midterm message: if they consume 100% of there time investigating hunter Biden it will bring down gas prices, end the Russian aggression, and get Mexico to pay for the wall 😂😂

[Opinion Owner]

Only bit is the evidence exists for that but no gas prices will only get higher until the elites are in Scaletrics, Russia is unsolvable and your still stuck on the wall, smart people gave up on that years ago

[normalice]

Smart people gave up on it as Trump was saying it. What does thar day about the people who voted for him because of it 🤔

[Opinion Owner]

Smart people gave up on the wall before Trump was born/spawned

[normalice]

Irritating that 74 million people are... not smart yeah?

[Opinion Owner]

Globally billions of people are fools from the climate protestors to the wallers to the democrats in general

[normalice]

Probably. But people who can be tricked into voting to give the rich more tax cuts because of immigrant caravans or whatever are the biggest fools of them all

[Opinion Owner]

Indeed that I'll agree with that as a proponent of the flat rate tax system say 25% on everyone and everything

[normalice]

That seems like the sort of thing that would benefit the rich immensely.

[Opinion Owner]

Nah they get hit harder with no tax breaks

[normalice]

If you're suggesting capital gains, stock trading, assets, and windfalls are also taxed at 25%, that would be far beyond what any hard-core socialist would ask.

The way the rich are rich right now isn't via income. They just own stuff and then take out loans with basically no interest rate because they own so much that the collateral they put up makes it a zero risk loan to the lender. But loans aren't taxed as income so it's just free money. You can do it too, in fact. All you have to do is first inherit billions worth of property like they did.

[Opinion Owner]

Tax the loans as well, really stick it to them that is communist way no

[normalice]

Taxing loans would be detrimental to startup businesses, though. Sadly, there isn't any "flat" system anyone can come up with that the rich can't exploit. This is why the rich pay meme makers, troll farms, and podcasters so much to convince their audience that they should want a flat tax..

[Opinion Owner]

The best communist system would be nothing for anyone, just government control of everything

[normalice]

Not in real life, though. Communism is just government control of the means of production, to ensurenitnis nonprofit. This actually makes sense for some things like utilities and Healthcare, but everything else should be left to the free market.

[Opinion Owner]

So you're not as liberal as you make out

[normalice]

I put practicality above ideology. And as a result I lean left. I didn't lean left and then sort out how to be practical about it. There are a lot of things I disagree with left wingers over but it is not practical to get into those discussions until after we have gotten rid of the enormous swarm of parasites that is the GOP.

[Opinion Owner]

My view is clear out 5 billion people and refresh everything

[normalice]

And that doesn't strike you as a bit psycho?

[Opinion Owner]

Only way to complete the green revolution

[normalice]

Not in real life, though. In real life education is the final solution to everything. It is, after all, the ignorance that must be killed. The ignorant need not die with it.

[Opinion Owner]

How very liberal

[normalice]

Yeah. Teach instead of kill. Very liberal indeed!

[Opinion Owner]

Can't sustain this overpopulation, remove the masses and educate the rest

[normalice]

We aren't overpopulated. Anyway, don't imagine for an instant that you would make the cut..

[Opinion Owner]

Oh I don't give a shit if I die as long as I take a few souls with me

[normalice]

You will find it makes no difference after you are dead.

[Opinion Owner]

Slaves for the afterlife matter

[normalice]

There is no afterlife.

[Opinion Owner]

Took you 3 days to come up with that but in this plain at least I get some good eating out it

[normalice]

Took me 3 days to notice it 😅

[jshm2]

Can't release what they don't have

[PainusNdeeAnus]

Over 33 thousand e-mails! THATS WHY!

[HorggleThorp]

Republicans are just dumb. Democrats are evil.

[A_Bell]

That probably sums it up.

[normalice]

It is the opposite if anything. Republicans actively sabotage the country to turn us into Russian. Democrats can't figure out how to stop them.

[HorggleThorp]

I’m sorry, what? Dems are actively letting people who will destroy our way of life into the country. There are now Chilean gangs in my county. Dems are letting criminals (and rapists) out of prison because women’s rights, right? It’s obvious they have ulterior motives. I don’t think I can help you at this point if you still haven’t realized it so I probably won’t reply further.

[normalice]

Of course, Democrats are doing none of that in real life. The far right fake news says they are but they only do that because they know no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit.