Trump has stated he has never asked God for forgiveness. Why do conservatives delude themselves into believing he's a Christian?

[holdem4884]

Accepting Jesus requires asking for forgiveness of your sins. This is a basic tenant of Christianity.

When asked about this on CSPAN Trump said, "I don't bring God into that equation... I don't really do anything bad."

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https://youtu.be/oYel347vNRc

[loveslongnails]

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you're in denial about so many things and delusional about quite a few. When you support someone who is, you're just as delusional. You know... that thing about the blind leading the blind and both falling in the ditch. It's difficult to imagine conservative "Christians" thinking that Trump adheres to any sort of Christ's teachings or God's words at all when he can't open his mouth without lying and bearing false witness, for starters.

[lightbulb27]

good question, not sure. I don't really see him as Christian, but some see him as the 2nd coming of God. Probably his personality and stance on abortion, the Q anon stuff.

They have their reasons but not sure how they got there.

He may be a Christian, but he's an "public personality" for sure.

[fembotnpc777]

Now that "republicans" and "conservatives" aren't really a thing anymore, what's going to unite liberals, now that they don't have a particular enemy to mock?

As for Trump, nobody ever thought he was a Christian. I think people expected him to have a semblance of solidarity with the working class who voted him in. Not a bunch of e-celebs.

Americans look like idiots fighting over which party is worse. They both suck and suck deep (shoutout to the porn addicts on here).

[Anonymous]

Trump is not Christian. He allegedly mocked Mike Pence privately because of his faith. He used the religious right like a cheap whore to get elected and they went for it.

[loveslongnails]

If Trump is religious, then he's a follower of satanism where the tenet is: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". You don't have to build altars, have ceremonies, have ritual sacrifices, or even utter words to the effect, to be a satanist at heart.

[KostasKouvalis]

He's so egotistical he believes he's never done anything that needs to be forgiven.

THAT being said, it's also fair to ask, "How can any Catholic believe Joe Biden is a Catholic?"

[holdem4884]

How many Catholics voted for Joe Biden for that reason? Many conservative evangelicals who voted for Trump did so because they thought he was one of them. Big difference

[KostasKouvalis]

A Catholic who supports gays and abortion. Yep, Catholic indeed.
And Trump has a fetish for Evangelicals, but yeah. I've never heard Trump say anything religious. Christian my ass. He's about as Christian as Freddy Mercury was straight

[holdem4884]

That's good, lol. Biden pandered to gays and pro choice groups but I don't recall him say at say the University of Notre Dame professing his faith and trying to convince people of his sincerity. Trump did just that at places like Liberty University

[abc3643]

Do you have a source for this quote so we can verify it and have context?
That would help before I answer this question more effectively.

[holdem4884]

Rather than "equation" he said "picture", you can't find it here at just over a minute in.

https://youtu.be/oYel347vNRc

[Uannoyme]

His religion, or lack thereof is of no concern to me.

[holdem4884]

Well that means you're obviously not one of the hypocritical conservative evangelicals who voted for him. Congrats!

[Guy13]

What date was this interview please or how did you find it please?

[holdem4884]

https://youtu.be/oYel347vNRc

[Guy13]

I do know his son-in-law was Jewish which means grandkids are religious.

I don’t know anything about his faith except to say there is no evidence of Fruit of the Spirit in his daily interactions. But the Fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23)

[holdem4884]

No Fruit of the Spirit at all. So why did 80% of white evangelicals vote for an immoral man-child?

[Guy13]

Biblical Christians are to participate in the election process. We certainly can not support and individual or Party that thinks using the woman’s intelligently designed womb as a mass killing Genocidal tool in premeditated murder. Killing babies is wrong as one killing another made in the image of God…Imago Dei

[holdem4884]

If abortion was so immoral why did God create a reproductive system that results in around half of all pregnancies ending in spontaneously abortion (miscarriage)? Most of the time this happens before a women even realizes she's pregnant. Why didn't Jesus talk about abortion if he wanted you to vote on it?

[Guy13]

You did not address my points in my reply and I will await you to do so as I have been upfront and honest with you. Please do me the same courtesy.

[AngelLily]

Some people don’t care if he’s Christian while others Unfortunately have made him into a Golden Calf.

[Anonymous]

That’s between him and God. I didn’t vote for him in 2020 because I thought he was a Christian. I voted for him because I absolutely despise most politicians.

[holdem4884]

How can you possibly not despise him? He can't speak for 15 seconds without lying.

[Opinion Owner]

That’s a fairly gross exaggeration. Most of the time he’s embellishing for dramatic effect or he’s just wrong. Most of those in congress have lied to our faces longer than I’ve been alive. Are responsible for so much death, poverty, wars, corruption, and societal degradation. It would take a lifetime for Trump to rival the damage they’ve done. It’s unforgivable.

[holdem4884]

I agree on that. Essentially all politicians are despicable and most politicians lie. However, Trump is extraordinarily in terrible ways. He's a narcissistic pathological liar, he cannot tell the truth about anything and he doesn't actually care about anyone accept for himself. That's a qualitative difference

[Anonymous]

You do know that there are Conservatives that aren’t religious, right?

No, you probably don’t. Hell you probably don’t even know any Conservatives. We’re all just stereotypes to you.

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A better question would be, why does it eat at you so much that people like Trump? I mean your whole post is pretty ridiculous, truth be told. From its premise to its wording to your motivations for posting it. It’s all quite childish really.

[UCrayCray]

“People are so shocked when they find … out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church”
I think this statement suggests he believes himself to be a Christian

[holdem4884]

@UCrayCray Trump *pretends* to be a Christian and he does it so that conservative evangelicals will flush their moral compass down the toilet and vote for him. He's a false prophet, what's supposed to happen to them?

[holdem4884]

I know all too many conservatives, that's the problem. I respect a small minority of them, George Will for example or those at The Bulwark, but the lack of rational thought of the MAGA type drives me crazy.

[bamesjond0069]

It's not really relevant. Only a non Christian would not understand this.

[holdem4884]

80% of white evangelicals voted for this degenerate psychopath. They did it based upon "values". He lied to them and pretended to be one of them. It's plenty relevant

[bamesjond0069]

A non Christian thinks their opinion about Christianity matters? Lmfao. Can't get more entitled than that.

[holdem4884]

A bit presumptuous to decide I'm not a Christian. Perhaps I'm just not a mindless conservative?

[bamesjond0069]

How could you be a Christian and not be conservative? It's not possible.

[holdem4884]

Wow, how unbelievably closed minded. How's this: Jesus was a socialist. Read the New Testament.

[holdem4884]

I neither said I was or wasn't. Most conservatives are total hypocrites and live antithetical to the message of Jesus. They give the worst testimony for Christianity imaginable. Conservative evangelicals are responsible for turning millions of people away from considering the faith and that's the worst thing they could possibly do.

[bamesjond0069]

Lmao. If you only read 2 lines of the Bible I could see how you would think that. If you only read two lines of the Bible, you don't qualify as Christian. Lol.

[holdem4884]

Not only have I read the entire Bible, I've studied it thoroughly. I used to study apologetics. I doubt you are more well versed on the subject

[bamesjond0069]

Well Jesus was clearly not a socialist, nor does the OT support socialism. One would have to make up things to come to a conclusion like that. Short of picking and choosing one liners out of context, it's impossible to argue what you're saying.

[holdem4884]

No, the old testament supports things like giving a mob you're virgin daughter and suggesting they rape her instead of a man in your house.

Judges 19
"The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing, Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing"

Some fucking morality. The moral abomination of the old testament is a mile long

Jesus was a socialist, not in terms of a centralized state power, as in libertarian socialism, i. e. Noam Chomsky, where people give a shit about each other particularly in their community.

[bamesjond0069]

"Some fucking morality. The moral abomination of the old testament is a mile long" so you don't believe in the Bible except hand picked verses. Gtfo.

[holdem4884]

What exactly does "believe in" mean? There are great moral teachings in the New Testament but the Old Testament is a horror show.

How about when Abraham is asked to kill his son, and HE SETS OUT TO DO IT? He's credited for this as a mark of his faith. I'm sorry, commanding someone to kill their child is the most evil thing imaginable. If I heard that I'd never consider it and I'd tell the person who said it to fuck off. Thinking otherwise is mental derangement or hearing a command from the devil, IT CANNOT BE FROM GOD by definition.

How about the part in Deuteronomy 22 where a virgin gets stoned to death because she was raped but didn't scream for help?

I could go on almost endlessly. The fact that many Christians believe the Bible is "without error" is particularly egregious. It's chocked full of errors, there is no question about that

[holdem4884]

You need to listen to Bart Ehrman on YouTube (one of the worlds leading New Testament scholars) or read "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" by John Shelby Spong.

[bamesjond0069]

I don't listen to men, only God. Just the Bible for me, thanks. If God says to do something it's by definition good and right because God is the moral standard.

If you disagree with God you cannot be a God follower by definition. Then to say you are Christian means you're not only anti God but a misleading false teacher which is the worst thing anyone could do. Telling people God is wrong publicly... yeah I know what you're about.

[holdem4884]

You "don't listen to men, only God"? Great you don't listen and pastors. How do you determine "what God says"? What's literal about the Bible vs metaphorical? How do you decide, whim? How do you deal with the passages I mentioned?

[bamesjond0069]

I read them and accept them. Very simple.

[DJB72]

He's a Pharisee. Hardly surprising.

[joeldalton]

Why do you let trump live rent free in your head?

[KayMay]

[holdem4884]

That's a fantastic question!

[jimmy2]

How do you know that

[holdem4884]

https://youtu.be/oYel347vNRc