Would you vote Donald Trump in 2024?

[DrAdams]

Would you vote for Mr Trump?

Yes

No

[nightdrot]

This I write as a Republican who did not vote for Mr. Trump in 2016 but who did vote for him as the lesser of two evils in 2020. This because, having worked in politics for over nearly 40 years - specifically in Congress - I knew what we would be getting with Mr. Biden. A suspicion, I would add, that has largely been confirmed.

In any case, Mr. Trump, while he was not without his successes, and indeed, while I thought his foreign policy, though strategically vacuous was often tactically brilliant - good enough for government work, so to speak - was overall socially destructive. The net effect being that, whatever its' substantive merits - and it was never as much as he claimed - on balance Mr. Trump's tenure did more harm than good.

Mr. Trump is a populist in the tradition of William Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, H. Ross Perot, and on the other side of the likes of Senator Bernie Sanders and America's arrested development teenager, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (and interestingly, Mr. Biden). There is here no real coherent governing philosophy or ideology, just merely bombast and the satiation of the grievances and resentments that permeate the culture.

To be sure, sometimes those resentments may be warranted - though not nearly as often as the self-indulgent and self-absorbed American public likes to pretend - but at the end of the day, even where successful, Mr. Trump's habit was to stoke those social grievances. The net result being an unstable and discontented culture and a divided society and government.

The best recent contrast would be with former President Reagan - whom I would argue was the best President of the last 50 years. Mr. Reagan offered a coherent political philosophy that was not without its controversies. Yet his was an calming and stabilizing politics.

This was best captured in a cartoon that was run toward the end of Mr. Reagan's tenure. The first panel showed a pollster asking a voter what he thought of Reagan's policies.

The voter is gesturing angrily and replies #%$&^%$$$. (This implying curse words.)

The next panel - the same pollster asking the same voter: "What do you think of Mr. Reagan personally?"

The voter replies: "Oh great guy!! Really like him. Friendly. Affable."

This is what the country needs right now because politics is more than policy. It is also sociology and culture and societies that are too long divided and riven will ultimately fail to compromise on policy. Worse still, they will begin to eat each other alive - hence what the nation sees today in rising crime, wokeism and all the rest. \

To be sure there are other causes of all this, but the likes of Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump do not make them better. Mr. Trump offers bombast and resentment. Mr. Biden offers peevishness and resentment. Thus is it time to turn the page.

[WhiteSteve]

I consider the Republican Party to currently be on the wrong side of just about every social issue I can imagine, or at very best are approaching the issue from a non-compassionate, bad-faith angle, so I would need to see a complete 180-degree turn on that before I could consider voting for any Republican, let alone Trump.

[12Volt]

Of course. Did you notice that everyone who said no, didn't comment on the dope we now have in the white house?

[Massageman]

Not sure if it's a dope or on dope, but either way, about as useful as a hemmeroid.

[Massageman]

sorry - *. hemorrhoid*.

[12Volt]

@Massageman
Yes, every bit.

[12Volt]

@holdem4884
What?

[Anonymous]

No. At this point, Trump's presence better serves the democrats. He needs to go away.

[HighValue]

Based on how good of a president he was the first time, definitely yes. He has been the BEST president in my lifetime since I was old enough to understand the effects of politics. So that would include Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. Biden has been the worst by far. I won't even be friends with anyone that voted for Biden because their morals have to be so far off that I want nothing to do with them.

If however, he ever supports a covid vaccine mandate, that would end my support for him and switch to DeSantis. That is likely the only way I would not vote for him.

[icedragoom]

Dude invites Kanye and a known white supremacists to his house and I have never seen a president or heard of a president with so many people investigating him on top of that man who says he is so squeaky clean he sure has to use that presidental pardon on a lot of the people he was with sorry but he is to Sketchy and a lier and does not stand by his word so no

[holdem4884]

He's such a douchebag

[exitseven]

No, he did not invite a known white supremacist to his home. Kanye brought him along. President Trump had no idea he was coming and had no idea who he was.

[icedragoom]

And that's supposed to make it better? He still has dinner with them

[exitseven]

Biden had dinner with his son Hunter. A criminal, drug addict whore monger.

[icedragoom]

I am not defending Biden. I just said I wouldn't vote for trump for those reasons and to be honest I don't care for Biden either I just don't want an out of touch old white man being president

[holdem4884]

@exitseven That's the lamest comeback I've ever heard. Criticizing a man for having dinner with his son, are you serious? Biden isn't perfect, you can fault him but NOT for that.

Besides, I'm sorry but this is a "billionaire" ex-President with 24/7 secret service. Bullshit he has people just show up for dinner and no one has checked them out to see who they are, that doesn't happen.

[exitseven]

@icedragooom I would not call President Trump out of touch. He knows what a gallon of gas costs and knows that Americans pay too much in taxes and that most of government spending is wasted on stupid social programs and foreign countries that hate us.

[icedragoom]

A present that has to pardon most of his cabinet is pretty fing sketchy

[DynamicKicker]

I supported him up until these past midterms. In a tl;dr: Terrible decision making, terrible candidate endorsements, and terrible midterm outcome. If Ron DeSeantis runs, he has my vote 100% over Trump.

[holdem4884]

I'm glad you've finally seen the light. His decision making has always been terrible, by his own admission he is awful at choosing talent. How many dozens of times did he appoint people, say they're great, the best, only to trash them after they get to know him and openly criticize his abilities, behavior, or intelligence? He's a man child who never takes responsibility, that's not a leader

[DynamicKicker]

@holdem4884 I actually supported most of his legislature and appointees during his term (such as Brett Kavanaugh) but post-presidency he's completely lost every ounce of support. The midterm elections should've been a cakewalk for him (because of how terrible Biden's presidency has been and the terrible democratic candidates such as Fetterman). But he still managed to screw that up by nominating people like Herschel Walker and Dr. Oz. Whereas Ron Desantis turned a Miami-Dade county from a 20-point Republican defeat in 2018 + a 7-point Republican defeat in 2020 into a massive 11-point victory for Republicans this past midterm cycle. Judging by his success I think he'd smoke any candidate the democrats have lined up (Harris, Newsome, AOC, and Biden would probably all lose double-digit percentages to him), but his biggest challenge to the presidency is definitely the Republican primaries against Trump.

[holdem4884]

I disagree with you almost entirely, especially on his judicial appointments which I think were awful, but I say this with respect as I appreciate your willingness to change your mind and turn away from him.

[exitseven]

I would vote for him. I hope he runs again and makes the biggest political comeback in history. This time there will be no theft

[Stoner710]

at this point can't say yes and can't say no. i personally am a Desantis fan and plan on voting for Desantis over trump in the primaries. in the general if he win yes i would vote for trump over democrats.

[GreenLanternI0I]

Biden is the WORST president United States Ever had. BUT, Trump is extremely dangerous, he gathered way too many people who are literally willing to die for him, which is crazy and insane.

[abc3643]

Considering that his company was convicted last week of tax fraud, that kind of illustrates the kind of person he is.

[loveslongnails]

Fortunately, that won't be an option unless he's a write-in, which would be awesome and deadly for the Repubs! lol I'd sooner put needles through my dick than vote for Trump. LOL

[Anonymous]

[Snakeyes7]

If it came down to him and Biden again 100% yes.

[holdem4884]

Why the hell can't you people recognize that Trump is a cancerous nascent autocrat and throw this clown overboard?

NEVER Trump, NEVER DeFascistantis

[DrAdams]

Fake News!

[exitseven]

Maybe, but America and it's citizens were a lot better off when he was president. No matter what you think of him as a person it is hard to argue with the facts.

[loveslongnails]

True that, girl. DeSantis is Putin wrapped in an American flag.

[holdem4884]

@DrAdams How fascists deny facts and reality, call it "fake news".

[loveslongnails]

@exitseven "America and it's citizens were a lot better off when he was president" - This is what's know as an "opinion". You should learn how this differs from a "fact".
" it is hard to argue with the facts." Really exit? You are a trumper. You and every trumper in the world CONSTANTLY argue with facts. You do this every time you don't LIKE the facts.

Facts are truths until PROVEN otherwise, dude, which is a concept trumpers do not understand.
You DO NOT understand the words of Patrick Moynihan, " "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

In order to be a true trumper, you must never accept a "fact" you don't like, and may reject it by calling it "fake". You have even rejected things as being factual when there's been video of him saying something, or tried to walk it back by blaming the "fake liberal media". That's what you do as a trumper.

So please - inject your opinions as you wish, but don't go wading in the "pool of facts" or even bring UP the idea that you/trumpers DEAL in facts. You don't.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails so lets see, Inflation was 2%, gas was 2.00/gallon/ dow Jones average was 35,000, Crime stats were much lower than they are now, illegal immigrant encounters were 300K in 2019 in 2021 they reached an all time high 1.4 million 2022 will have even more., we had a middle class tax cut, we were not in a recession, we were not in an impending war with Russia, we were not wasting money on the Paris Climate hoax, NATO countries were paying their fair share, we were energy independent, we did not have 100,000 deaths from fentanyl when Trump was president, we have more than that now. . All these items are facts. I could probably come up with a dozen more but you get the idea.

[loveslongnails]

@exitseven Perfect. Let's start with your pure bullshit and... making up your own FACTS! LOL
Gas prices:
2017 - $2.17 start $2.42 end 2018 - $2.42 start $2.72 end 2019 - $2.72 start $2.60 end
2020 - $2.60 start $2.17 end I don't see $2.00 a gallon anywhere.
I paid $2.63 a gallon yesterday

I've already dealt with you on NATO, and by the way, those countries are STILL in arrears so Trump's actions had no effect. Your own facts.
I also showed you how the Tax Cut benefitted the wealthiest 3% and only helped the working class for the first 2 years while adding over a TRILLION dollars to the National Debt in the next 8 years. Trump disregarded EVERY advisor and the GSA as well. Your own facts again.
Global warming is hardly a hoax. The overwhelming majority of scientists around the planet agree on this. Your own facts again.
Trump had zero to do with "non-Fentanyl deaths", any more than he had to do with the price of gas or the ability to restore the supply chain on demand. Your own facts.
This little thing called Covid, which he denied for months and months, came along and affected every economy in the world, a FACT which you still deny.

And my favorite... the Stock Market... which yes, reached an all time high number of 35,000. And that benefitted WHOM? The average working class American who has less than $5k in the bank and no portfolio to speak of? That number is your only fact. Here's the more important number.
In the 8 years under Obama, the Dow rose 2.5 TIMES what it was !!! Look it up, dude.
Under Trump, it increase about 47%. Which number is better?

And tell me, how did the number of "immigration encounters" affect most Americans?
And tell me truly, if you and your Republicans really cared about who's dying from fentanyl laced drugs, why do they not fund programs that WORK to get people off drugs? Suddenly you care about drug abusers dying from illegal drug use, like it's more than a talking point for you? Pathetic.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails I don;t know where you find your stats. Gas where I live was 1.99 for at least a year when Trump was president. I never thought I would ever see gas that cheap again. When he left office it was about 2.30 and started to rise the day after he left office. I filled up today @3.69/ga;llon. My retirement account more than doubled in the 4 years Trump was president. I have had an account for 26 years and it never got close to that before. A lot of people have retirement accounts. Everyone was feeling optimistic about the future until Jan 7th 2021. When Obama was president the economy tanked in 2009 and took years to recover. The "immigration encounters" effect every taxpayer. It costs between 35000 and 50000 dollars per year per person to supply illegal aliens free food, housing, clothing, cell phones, healthcare and a multitude of services that citizens would never qualify for, Do the math, it ends up being in the hundreds of billions and once they start having anchor babies we will never get rid if them.
The answer to the drug problem is not throwing money at it. It is easier to cut oiff the source of the drugs than it is to treat a person once they are addicted. When i was a kid nobody died of a fentanyl overdose because you could not buy it without a prescription. Oxycontin was just coming out and we all saw how that turned out. Hillery said the Trump tax cut was only crumbs. Well my crumbs ended up being almost $4000. My taxes went up every year when Obama was president and went up again last year.

[loveslongnails]

@exitseven My gas stats came from Statista and two other historical sources. Do your own homework, but you can't seem to get that right either. The market crashed under BUSH, not Obama. It begin to slide in March of 2008. When Lehman Bros collapsed, it tanked 777 pts in one day and hit a low in December of 2008, down almost 4,000 pts from 2007.

Obama's plan, as much as you despise him and accepting the truth about this, SAVED THE ECONOMY. Bush left him a disaster, and some bold moves helped bring it back. Without that, your portfolio would be today where it was in 2009 even after your good years with Trump. You owe as much to Obama as anything.

I heard your $4000 story. Fabulous for you, but it's nothing but anecdotal. Unfortunately, the average "tax benefit" for the working middle class guy was 1.7%, and it came at a trillion dollar debt load over the next 8 -12 years.



Look at the chart!! The median household income in the USA in 2019 was $68,703. Average savings of 1.5% translates to $1,031. Ok, nice. But the average credit card debt in 2019 was $6,270. The average household debt, including mortgage and auto, was over $52,000. That money went to pay off personal debt, not to "boost the economy". And guess who's paying for it? We are, the taxpayer, in the form of more future debt.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails I don't believe anything that I read, especially the fake news or anything I see on the internet. I believe my own experiences and the experiences of people that I know and trust. What I remember was Bush presided over a major disaster (9/11) that caused the economy to tank. Obama was there during the housing bubble and elected to bail every one out at taxpayer expense. We all took a beating on both of these occurrences. Obama did not save the economy, he was there for the most anemic recovery in history. I think it was called the joyless recovery and exacerbated the gutting of the middle class. I knew a few people that experienced unemployment and I myself ended up having to tske s job at half the money I was previously making. All these negative things seemed to reverse once Trump was in the White House. i understand the cyclic nature of the economy but I also believe that if you implement pro America polices, the whole country benefits. When you suddenly reverse all these policies everyone but a few special groups will suffer as a result.

[loveslongnails]

@exitseven Not believing "ANYTHING" you read is the sign of a fool, because some of it is likely true. The people you "know and trust" are Trumpers and Republicans who think exactly like YOU do, so you get no new information to consider because to you... it's all fake to you.

Furthermore, you can't even remember history the way it happened, but only the way you want to. Obama was tasked with a terrible choice and a disaster that Bush handed him. What he did sure as FUCK saved the economy, after Bush/Cheney burned through the surplus left by the Clinton admin. Or do you debate the reality of that too?

" All these negative things seemed to reverse once Trump was in the White House." - Only in your head.

What he did and said while in office is a disgrace, save for two or three things. He believes he's above the law, way above it, untouchable. It's really nauseating to hear what his aides are saying under oath, and the ones who refuse to testify obviously know even more. Hopefully they'll be held in contempt, and the DOJ will pursue criminal charges against them all, as they should.

[call_me_scar]

Nope because who would vote for someone who ruined kids with epstein

[Massageman]

Yes. Or DeSantis, or my wife, or - - - - - - - -

[LiamJHayden]

Probably not. He's better than Biden, but I'm more liberty-minded by far than either of them.

[dustybiker]

I won’t give him $99 either.

[jshm2]

Only to arrange for his purge.

[Guy13]

Better than Biden, again !!

[holdem4884]

There's literally no way in which that is true

[FunkyMonkee]

ABSOBUTTFUCKINGLUTELY!!

[holdem4884]

There you go again FunkyMonkeyPox, always ready to jump on the train to fascism.

[FunkyMonkee]

@holdem4884 When did I say I was gonna vote for Biden?

[Googlemyahoo]

No I’m not American

[XXblack88]

Yes I would.

[holdem4884]

I'm sorry but that's fucking moronic

[XXblack88]

@holdem4884 you have a right to your opinion. However I'm still voting for Trump in 2024.

[holdem4884]

Unfortunately you have the right to be a moron and vote for tyranny. The guys openly embraces autocracy.

You have to be another level of stupid to vote for him at this point. If enough people are idiotic to vote for people like him, that will mean none of us will be voting in the future. Do you understand?

[Jamie05rhs]

Absolutely not!

[msc545]

HELL NO