Why are liberals acting as if making sure elections are run fair and proper and transparently is insane and a threat to democracy?

[ElizaPam]

[NaultD]

Starting off with what actually happening is a good place to start. every state is responsible for their own election tally and a total of voting places 435 areas all doing their own counting some analog some digital every one doing something a little different. It's as archaic as first world elections go and it is a level of protection from wide spread voting fraud.

Trumps legal team had over 100 court hearings to show just one piece of evidence with a 50/50 probability of something anything to start an investigation. They had nothing every single court hearing. Every issue you are thinking of was debunked the night of the election.

The trump lawyers know that very well. If you lie to the court you go to jail. You waste the courts time you get disbarred. Not that big of a deal with already being retired like rudy and kraken.

So saying what is unfair unproper to start the investigation is in order. What makes donald a threat to democracy is him screaming and crying "if i lose it's because of voter fraud" which he did as soon as he got elected in 2016 not getting the popular vote.

[BeMuse]

Those aren't liberals. Those are communists. You don't live in a democracy, you live in a constitutional federal republic. As Thomas Jefferson stated, "a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent can take away the rights of the other forty-nine percent". That is exactly what democrats are, mobsters. They are a cabal of criminals that seek power and absolute dictatorship above all else. The rule of law is an essential condition of individual freedom. Without it, the mob can rob the individual of their rights in the name of their own twisted since of morality. Social Justice is the calling card of tyrants. As F. A. Hayek put it, "a claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers... I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice". Democrats want to take away your freedom. The first step toward accomplishing their authoritarian goals is to strip you of your right to vote and your voice to dissent.

[Anonymous]

Republicans want to use the illusion of fraud as justification for voting restrictions designed to help their party. They’ve provided nothing that proves our elections aren’t fair or proper as they are currently run. You really believe the party trying to restrict voting rights and opposing the peaceful transition of power is saving democracy?

[Agape93]

They're not. They're making sure it doesn't get too heavily skewed to the right, as the right is notorious for doing so, so they can do what they want regardless of popular support.

[Cubus]

There was a voting for the best book store in the capital of my country (which is very left for my country standards).

Results: the first place won a book store that mostly sells conservative and religious books.

Why?

Because there are many popular left wing book stores in the city and only one big right wing store. So all the right wing votes went to that one, and the left vote was split between a few stores.

Left wingers wanted to cancel this competition, because they said "it didn;t represent views of inhabitants enough" :D

It shows that democracy is nice, only if you win.

[Red_Arrow]

They aren't. But they are trying to keep elections fair and proper by fighting the conservatives who are changing rules to prevent people they people they don't like, such as blacks, from being able to vote. That has been happening a lot in America recently and you choose to ignore it and blame liberals.

[Wallythewalrus]

I don't know of any laws or proposed laws preventing blacks or any other minority from voting. Can you name any?

[Red_Arrow]

@Wallythewalrus If they did create laws that specifically stated blacks or any other minority could not vote, the courts would overturn them. But they have removed places that one can vote at from areas with minorities, making them basically inaccessible to the groups that live far from there. They have changed laws to prevent voting by mail. Every election cycle the news is full of changes made in Republican controlled districts that negatively affect minorities.

[Wallythewalrus]

Can specifically point to a change in any law or lack of accessibility to voting booths that decreased minority votes in 2022 midterms?

[Red_Arrow]

@Wallythewalrus As I already said, they did not change laws because the courts would have struck them down. Over the last months I have seen news reports from all over where minority access was denied by the methods I stated. Get your head out of Fox and check the real news.

[Wallythewalrus]

So, no laws have been changed? Yet, you claim minorities have less access to vote? The stats don't show that. They actually turned out in record numbers! How do you explain that?

[Red_Arrow]

@Wallythewalrus In places they have early voting, they use that. So they do not end up standing in hours long lines to vote that the Republicans created. If you checked reliable news you would know that. In many places the voting was not in record numbers. If you used reliable news you would know that. In places that use mail in voting, they used that. If you used reliable news you would know that. But you do not want to give up Fox, do you.

[Wallythewalrus]

There is as much evidence of voter suppression as there is of mass voter fraud. If you watched reliable news you would know that but you do not want to give up CNN, do you?

[Red_Arrow]

@Wallythewalrus I watch many news sources. Trump has taken many false claims of voter fraud to courts (many with judges he has appointed) and has lost the cases time after time. The reports coming out of the Jan 6 commission have recently revealed Republican after Republican admitting that they passed along stories of fraud that they knew were false and even made up more of them.
The Brennan Center for Justice has reported that in 2021 nineteen states enacted thirty-four laws restricting access to voting. Obstacles to voting by mail (claims of lots of abuse of vote by mail have been proven false, made up by people to be an obstacle), new voter ID requirements, and limiting what election officials can do to help promote voter access.
In Georgia, changes were made to lengthen lines of voters waiting in line to vote in order to cause them to give up voting (again in areas mainly containing minorities). When groups began passing out water an snacks to those who were waiting in line, Georgia S. B. 202 was passed making it illegal to pass out water or food to those in line, another law so obviously passed to restrict voting by minorities, yet Republicans have no shame.
Montana House Bill 176 ended election day registration. During the debate over the law, a Republican state representative openly stated that he wanted to end election day registration because he believed it was used by young people who were "not on our side of the aisle." An open admission to creating laws to prevent non-Republicans from voting.
I could go on forever with examples of voter suppression, and of cases were mass voter fraud was proven, in court, to be false. And I did not look at CNN at all for this information. You could have found all this yourself since you have access to the internet, but you chose to ignore the truth to continue your lies that lack of access to voting did not decrease minority votes in the midterms, and all recent elections.

[Avicenna]

They know they’re full of shit. What these criminals want is to be able to cheat when they feel it’s necessary.

[jshm2]

You mean "republicans," you nutty manthing.

[Sparks32]

Because transparency is a deceivers Kryptonite.

[Mac-One]

Because their definition of fair is having everything according to their way; favoring them.

[loveslongnails]

You don't know what you're talking about, yet again.

[Summeroflove]

Because they’re lying frauds