Verified registering to vote, rather than using a utility bill, making sure those who are registering are legal citizens and can do.
Not them signing a statement saying they are legal to do so, a background check on person registering to vote. Similar to the background checks my state has on gun purchases... no one here can buy a gun without a background check and passing it.
Voter ID background checks that almost must pass to say a person is who they say they are AND they can legally vote as a citizen.
As far as I am concerned, a good detailed background check could serve both purposes, prove someone is who they say they are to register to vote and at the same time, be used to buy a gun without having to pay for a background check on each gun purchase too.
Plus since we have to show ID to buy a gun, they have to show ID to vote after registered to prove who they are.
Otherwise someone could walk in with someone else's information and vote pretending to be them, as it currently stands... assuming they know the others information.
A online portal later that people can log in to see how their vote was recorded would be optional, cause sometimes people wonder if it was recorded correctly. With totals, including #'s, like total number of votes total placed in a county, how they were broken down and where theirs fit in.
This could help to alleviate it when people say a county had more votes than people registered in it. By showing total registered compared to total population able to register and other various comparisons. How people are registered, by party, etc.
I hear this nonsense all the time. As a trained poll observer in the state of Georgia, I assure you no one can walk in and vote by showing a utility bill. In FACT, you can't even register to vote on the day of the election, you have to be pre-registered.
Each state has their own rules for pre and/or day of registrations. Each state gets to decide what ID is acceptable. Voter ID cards are not as simple as they sound in every situation, especially if you're a Native American living on a reservation, when that requirement can be intentionally used to work against you.
Not only that, but the incidence of voter fraud isn't even a blip on the statistical charts. Sure it's going to happen on occasion, and yes, dead people votes may show up. But the same people that the Repubs are screaming at to get voter ID's for are the very SAME people who haven't maintained an up to date list! Why will they do any better with ID's?
It's just gotten to the point where any race, especially a close one, that a Republican loses, is tainted or unfair. So far, there's been but one situation where a judge ordered a re-vote, and that had nothing to do suspected cheating.
@loveslongnails It was simply an answer as to what would make people think they are fair... if it won't happen, then people won't think they are real. It matters now how much fraud is happening but how much appears to be happening.
Some states do allow people to register to vote or vote with a utility bill.
Acceptable forms of ID to vote.
Alaska;
Official voter registration card Driver's license Birth certificate Passport Hunting or fishing license -- Unsure of if they check citizenship status is checked when getting a hunting/fishing license.
*Current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or other government document with the voter’s name and address
Arizona;
Valid Arizona driver's license Valid Arizona non-driver identification Tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification Valid U. S. federal, state or local government issued identification
*Utility bill dated within 90 days of the election
Bank or credit union statement dated within 90 days of the election -- Illegals or non residents can have a statement like this easy enough.
Valid Arizona vehicle registration -- Illegals or non residents can register a car.
Indian census card Property tax statement
Vehicle insurance card -- Illegals or non residents can get car insurance Recorder’s certificate
Several states allow that, but Georgia seems to be more sane on the matter as they do now allow utility bills there.
Georgia driver’s license, even if expired ID card issued by the state of Georgia or the federal government Free voter ID card issued by the state or county U. S. passport Valid employee ID card containing a photograph from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U. S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state Valid U. S. military identification card Valid tribal photo ID
There is also some states, that allow people to get a State ID or Drivers license with a utility bill. Then that ID can be used to register to vote. Meaning they never had their citizenship status checked to make sure they could vote.
What would it take to make right wingers think elections are fair? Them winning elections. If they consistently won elections, I guarantee we wouldn't hear about how unfair elections are. Like, we only hear about how unfair the electoral college is and gerrymandering when Democrats lose, and we hear about voter fraud only when Republicans lose. Lamenting about unfair elections is simply a means to an ends (changing the processes to give your side a better chance). Neither side will ever be satisfied as long as they lose elections
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You need a system of voting that is simple and transparent enough that it can be verified by most people.
That means:
1: Voter registration that verify an individuals is ONLY a legal resident of the community in which they are voting over. This means verifying Citizenship, place of residence, and that they are not soo registered in any other place in the USA.
2: Public forms that don't discriminate politically
3: In person voting with biometric or photo ID to verify the vote being cast is by the person to whom it is entitled.
These are not complicated requirements they are done around the world and are relatively straightforward and verifiable.
Public forums that don't discriminate? Which public forums are you talking about? I'm guessing you are talking about private forums like Facebook and Twitter. Don't like their policies? Start your own, like Trump did so successfully.
@oddbeme It was discussed quite extensively for decades as corrupt politicians continued to introduce more and more complex and compromising changes to the rules of voting.
I'm sorry whomever feeds you your information choose to inquire those discussions.
Perhaps you remember the echo chamber of the other side always pushing to "expand voting" and increase turnout. Well a lot of what they were doing to accomplish those "goals" was simply making the voting system less and less verifiable and thus trustworthy.
@slatyb Facebook and twitter claim to be public forms. If they were not public forms the companies would be directly liable for all the criminal activity they directly took part in CHOOSING to facilitating. You are confusing the idea of private company with public form. A public form is a form where the owner (regardless of whom) claims no control over what is said or whom can be involved, making it "open to the public".
A private forum such as a news paper by contrast claims & exercises control of what is and is not said & done and by whom. Thus the owner is responsible if they decide to allow criminal activity such as IP thief, or in many states organizing a criminal act.
No it wasn’t. Elections never had so much doubt losers (GOP) refused to concede. Conceding was always a time honored tradition McCain and predecessors did well.
@oddbeme The more legislators make election fraud easier to commit and hide the less reason any reasonable person has to beleive the ballots counted represent anything approximating the will of the people.
So I am not sure what you are expecting of course it is going to get worse and more obvious. One day even you may not be able to deny the evidence that many elections in many states have little to do with the will of the people thereof.
If putting trust back into our election system’s benefits republicans then so be it. Why can’t the democrats win with reasonable restrictions. It’s not like we’re asking people to pass a basic 5th grade civics test which most Americans would fail at
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They are in the right wing because they are stupid narcissists who can't see past their own small perspective.
The sort who would punch a child in the face, then cuss out the child for hurting their hand and the parents for child neglect. All to deflect from their responsibilities in the matter.
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Go back to in person voting on election day. No more mail in balllots , ballot harvesting, ballot boxes in public places, smae day registration and all the other things democrats have implemented so they can chest.
@goaded mail in ballots were a disaster. Boxes of boxes of ballots just suddenly appear and by golly, they all were from Biden voters. Besides being mathematically impossible, they are impossible to verify.
@goaded It happened all over the country. It just never made the 6 oclock network news and was never investigated by the FBI because they already knew what they would find.
@goaded how much effort did the FBI try to investigate any of the 1000+ instances of voter fraud that were alleged by poll workers and other civilians that submitted signed affidavits claiming they observed voter fraud? If you said zero you would be right.
@goaded the one that I saw dismissed a video of guys bringing in stacks of paper ballots after the polls closed. They claimed they could not tell if they were ballots or not. It would have been easy to identify who the guys were and drag them in and question them but they obviously did not really want to find the truth.
So many videos of voter fraud. Itv was so blatant, dems were making brag videos. California "accidently" cut off the signature line on mail in ballots and chanted "every vote counts" this included people's cats. Do you remember that b couple that posted video from their wedding reception in OK? They used a venue that was a polling station the day before. What did they find? A garbage bag filled with ballots. Every last one in that bag was a Trump vote.
@goaded I csn't remember which one this was. I think it was Georgia but not 100% sure. It was the local legislators that were holding the hearing and they showed the video on TV and to me it looked pretty obvious and then the officials told the woman that submitted the video that they could not tell exactly what were on all those pieces of paper. Then in ten seconds they ended the hearing and thinked the woman for coming forward sne that was the end of it. What did they think was on those pieces pf paper, a laundry list?
Can't you find the actual case? The people Trump hired to look into claims of fraud couldn't even find anything. Even Barr said there was no evidence of massive fraud. Georgia, if it was there you're thinking of, had Republicans running the election, don't you think they'd have done everything legal to help Trump win? (Not that any one state short of maybe California would have made a difference to the result.)
@goaded The whole hearing was on TV and I think it was in Georgia. I remember the woman who took the video sid she was not a Republican and was a poll worker for 20 years. She had a video of a white van the pulled in front of the polling place. Two guys got out carrying boxes of white paper that were the same size as ballots. I expected the board to make a big deal about it but they could not wait to dismiss the woman telling her they could not really tell when was on these pieces of paper. People are angry because nobody bothered to find the answer to this and many other instnces. What about the people tht pulled the boxes of ballots out from under the table and startled counting them after the polls closed and the press went home? Trump had the lead and by the time the box of ballots was counted, Trump was behind. Nobody ever got any answer about that one either and that was on video. It is obvious that elections are no longer won on the campaign trail. They are won at the ballot box.
@goaded No, this may have been the same white van though. The woman poll worker was going home after the polls closed. She saw a white van pull up and two guys get out and start delivering a couple of boxes of what can be described as unidentifiable pieces of paper that were approximately the same size as a paper ballot. She had the whole thing on video. Too bad she didn't get close enough to show exactly what was on those pieces of paper. She said she worked the polls for 20 years and never saw anything like this before which is why she got a video of it. The board looked like they just wanted to go home and have dinner. They just said it was impossible to see what they really were. It would have been pretty easy to track down those two guys and at least give people a little peace of mind
*Eliminate mail in voting with the only exception being offshore absentee ballots. *Require all voters to display picture ID's. *Eliminate "Motor Voter" registration. *Eliminate early voting. *Eliminate election day voter registration. *All votes must be counted and reported by midnight local time. That addresses most of their gripes but there's always new ways to cheat.
We must eliminate these things because they enable more people to vote, and the higher the turnout, the worse the Republicans do. IT'S NOT FAIR THAT MORE PEOPLE KEEP VOTING FOR THE OTHER GUYS!!!
I normally think it is over the top BS, but what happened in Arizona does have me a bit suspicious. Massive number of issues at voting booths is overwhelmingly GOP areas. Might be legit, but sure looks iffy - just like the count in Florida in 2000, from what I've read.
In person voting, on camera, the voter scans their id and feeds their own ballot into the machine themselves. No more anonymous voting. Everyone's vote is recorded on camera. Only citizens can vote. That'd be fair.
Trust in government, partisan vote counters, biased media and biased technology companies have reduced trust to near non-existent. It would take a restoration of trust which isn’t going to happen as everyone is so full of shi t.
I was shocked when he won, so was everyone else. It was very close so perhaps the Dems just didn’t get their math right. I thought Trump should have worked on transparency and tightening voting oversight in his first 2 years, he blew that chance. Was there vote theft? I don’t know and I doubt it but I actually find it could be plausible and I have no trust in the government and truly little confidence in the voting process.
I am saying there could be fraud but I am unsure as I haven’t seen concrete evidence. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I have seen reports of more than 100% of registered voters voting. Have have seen pictures of mail in votes dumped in dumpsters or in the woods by the Post Office. I could go on but you get it, there are a lot of issues that have been raised and I do not have confidence that they have been addressed, mitigated or explained. People are very partisan, partisans will at times cheat the system, I do not have confidence in my inept, corrupt, lazy, bureaucratic government to do what needs to be done. They can’t or more likely won’t even secure the F’ing border so I have no confidence in them fixing voting system.
It's not that hard to do secure digital voting. Touch screens to do the choices and view that it's correct, print it in human readable form as a second check, scan the printout to count and dump the printouts into sealed containers. You can check the count is valid by checking containers at random (an analogue die throw or similar), or all of them, and making sure the printouts match the counts.
There is a difference between "no proof" of election fraud, which there has been proof, on both sides and changing rules to make fraud easier, then saying, "those are the rules".
@Juxtapose Oh, I guess you didn't watch the hearing that showed that Twitter decided on its own to suppress the laptop story for 24 hours without any input from the Biden campaign or anyone else, just the "experience of 2016, and by the very real Russian activities we saw play out that year".
In fact, the only government official who asked for a tweet to be removed was Trump for being called a "pussy ass bitch". #PussyAssBitch
Seriously, do you not understand that POTUS demanding that a tweet be removed is illegal, whereas reporting tweets that violate terms of service isn't?
Or are you thinking about the classified documents that were found in Biden's possession? You know, like the ones found in Pence's. Not like the ones that Trump stole and lied about possessing, because the lying made that a case of obstuction of justice.
The very reasons you gave for them censoring is politically motivated by a certain political side. I don't buy it, they have already been proven to work with the government so they get no benefit of the doubt from me.
@gorydetails Thats a toughy that Santos is causing. He was fairly elected but lied about... well everything apparently. Every politician probably makes some remark they know is false. But is there a limit? I don't know.
Not that simple a question, it rather depends on what the information is.
There's a rule in the DoJ that they don't release information about ongoing investigations within a few weeks of an election, for example. Unless, apparently, it's 2016.
What information in particular were you thinking of?
@goaded So you can't be intellectually honest. As long as we're on the same page with where you are. But yeah, let's say you're a tech company censoring a story about a presidential candidate's son who cataloged a whole host of crimes on a laptop he left behind at a repair shop while he was on a crack bender. Would you say that makes an unfair advantage for that candidate?
Oh, I can. Can you? You are talking about Hunter Biden's supposed laptop, then, which I addressed 22 hours ago. Here's what I said:
" @Juxtapose Oh, I guess you didn't watch the hearing that showed that Twitter decided on its own to suppress the laptop story for 24 hours without any input from the Biden campaign or anyone else, just the "experience of 2016, and by the very real Russian activities we saw play out that year".
In fact, the only government official who asked for a tweet to be removed was Trump for being called a "pussy ass bitch". #PussyAssBitch "
@goaded Yeah, and the fact that you claim it wasn't the government threatening twitter to repress the story is a moot point. It has nothing to do with the fact that it was suppressed to help a presidential candidate.
@goaded Bullshit. The NY Post was censored. One of America's oldest newspapers. Twitter users were forbidden to post the link to a story written in a newspaper.
The FBI had known about the laptop already, and knew it was real.
The NY Post link was blocked by a private company, not the government (which was Trump's at the time); that's their privilege. Even Jim Jordan had to admit that in his own hearing.
@goaded So you admit they repressed a true story to help a presidential candidate. Making for an unfair/fraudulent election. Glad we're on the same page.
I said: "... Twitter decided on its own to suppress the laptop story for 24 hours without any input from the Biden campaign or anyone else, just the "experience of 2016, and by the very real Russian activities we saw play out that year".
In fact, the only government official who asked for a tweet to be removed was Trump for being called a "pussy ass bitch". #PussyAssBitch "
That's not an admission, that's a statement of fact. Twitter is not the government; they can choose what to publicize, or not, and the story looked very much like disinformation.
It's been two years now, and the most anyone's found is that Hunter was a junkie and may have tried to organise a meeting with his father, while Jared has absolutely been given $2 billion to "invest" by the Saudis, from which he gets to skim millions a week. Also, McConnell (in government) refused to make public the efforts by Russia on Trump's behalf in 2016, and Trump paid off a woman to hide his affair at the same time.
No, Trump was the one running the government when you claim there was censorship. It's really not hard to understand. Private citizens and private companies are entitled to say (or not) what they want.
@goaded It's really easy to understand, you're correct. There was collusion to repress information damaging to the Biden crime family and it made for an unfair election. I'm glad you realize it, finally.
For the third time: "... Twitter decided on its own to suppress the laptop story for 24 hours without any input from the Biden campaign or anyone else, just the "experience of 2016, and by the very real Russian activities we saw play out that year".
In fact, the only government official who asked for a tweet to be removed was Trump for being called a "pussy ass bitch". #PussyAssBitch"
Keep crying and lying about what I've said, if you like.
@goaded I never lied about what you said. You’re being a moron. All of your 2016 “russian interference” nonsense sounds like bullshit Hillary would spout, but it was found to be like 15,000 posts on far right websites. Nothing close to repressing a story from a major news outlet to protect a corrupt political candidate.
"@goaded I never lied about what you said." How many times have you pretended that I agree with you that the 2020 election was fraudulent? Those were all lies.
Like you said, the story found its way onto a major news outlet (owned by Murdoch, natch), so what Twitter did (independently of the government and for just 24 hours) had practically no affect on the election, except to give people like you more to whinge about. Certainly you're happy to ignore McConnell refusing to inform the public of Russian interference (which was much greater than posts on far right websites: en.wikipedia.org/.../Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election ), or candidate Trump paying off Stormy Daniels, or PRESIDENT Trump demanding Twitter take down a post he didn't like.
@goaded You won’t answer the question, so I have to assume you’re a rational, intelligent person who would think that suppressing damaging information about a candidate before an election makes the election fraudulent. I mean, unless you think it isn’t fraudulent to suppress information about a candidate. Do you?
I have answered the question, repeatedly, and the answer is: maybe.
I gave examples of where "no" would be the correct answer (ongoing but incomplete investigations into a candidate around election time, apparent disinformation) and others where "yes" would be the correct answer (paying off a woman you had an affair with, hiding the fact of concerted foreign interference in the election).
You, on the other hand, don't seem to care that Fox News also refused to cover the Hunter Biden laptop at the time, and are trying to pretend that Biden somehow used the power of the office he wasn't in to control Twitter, a private company.
You also don't care that Trump, while president (so representing the government), wanted Twitter (a private company) to remove a tweet that he didn't like because it called him a "pussy ass bitch". That was an actual case of attempted government censorship.
@goaded Twitter actively forbade people from posting the NY Post story. Not the same thing, idiot. You can gaslight all you want, but I know you know what twitter did was fraudulent.
Do you understand how companies get to choose what to allow to be promoted on their platforms? Just like Fox News chose not to run the story. Twitter did nothing wrong. They're under no obligation to let people use their platform any way they want and they felt an obligation not to be used for disinformation.
And how were they supposed to know that the Guiliani-sourced story that conveniently came out just before the election wasn't disinformation? It reeked of it, which is why only one major media outlet went with the story.
If they'd had a few months to verify some details, it might have got more coverage. Also, the "100% factual" claim is debatable, people added things to "the laptop" dated after it had been handed in, it's likely more sophisticated actors added more. Even so, what do you think it proved?
@goaded The FBI had the laptop in 2019. Plenty of time to verify anything and everything. Hmmm. Oh, and people added pictures of hunter smoking crack with hookers. I get it. You're sounding more and more like a conspiracy theorist.
@goaded It was not illegal in California. Try again. Funny I just read that now that heat is coming on Clapper for his bullshit letter about the laptop being "RuSsiAn DiSinForMaTion", he's backpedaling and saying Political lied about what he said.
You're talking about the feds, it's still a federal crime. And the laptop looked identical to Russian disinformation at the time, which is when the choices were made. (I note you ignored the yes/no question, again.)
@goaded BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. kid give it up. You're just making a fool of yourself at this point. It was not illegal for Elon Musk to smoke a little MJ. Even your little fairy tale about it "LooKS lIKe RuSsiAn DisInfoRmaTioN" is bullshit. Your whole narrative collapsed. Thanks for playing.
@goaded of course not you fucking moron. But that's beside the point. IT wasn't Russian disinformation, we know see that the people in our intelligence community who floated that idea were lying, we know that Twitter and other social media platforms prevented a legitimate newspaper's article about it from being spread on its platforms. All to make for a fraudulent election. You can deny facts, but that doesn't mean they're not facts.
How did you know, in October 2020, that it wasn't Russian disinformation? Fox News thought it probably was, so did almost every other outlet than the Washington Post (which was probably Murdoch's most expendable outlet).
"we know see that the people in our intelligence community who floated that idea were lying" I looked at the tweet, now, it does not say that, it says that Politico was lying, the intelligence community was saying it might be disinformation.
@goaded Keep up, son. Clapper floated the memo that was picked up by media outlets (and you apparently) and claimed it was Russian disinfo. Now he's lying and trying to throw Politico under the bus.
@goaded Knowing how corrupt the FBI is? Very little. Just like they spent very little time stopping a gymnastics coach from molesting little girls. But they have plenty of time to go after parents at school board meetings.
Of course you know "how corrupt the FBI is". The only people anyone goes after at school board meetings are people who are making threats of harm, as they should.
@goaded lmao. keep telling yourself that. I'm sure NYC teachers who had their fingerprints sent to the FBI for the horrific crime of not taking the clot shot are threats as well. You're a clown.
The source of this information is Betsy Combier who wrote an affidavit (see pdf below) in the Kane v. de Blasio case where she stated unvaccinated teachers were given a “problem code” label that was “then sent to the national databases at both the Federal Bureau of Investigation” (FBI) and the Department of Justice (DOJ).
I've got receipts on them fucking up an investigation allowing little girls to continue to get molested, too. Before you get dizzy spinning that one, too.
@goaded John Bursch stated in open court that unvaccinated teachers in New York City were flagged with problem codes in their personnel files, and when that occurred “their fingerprints are sent with that flag to the FBI and the New York Criminal Justice Services.”
Are you tired of lying? Bursch was working for the idiotic unvaccinated teachers and pretending that their fingerprints weren't already on record. It had nothing to do with COVID.
@goaded I never said they fingerprinted them, nor did Bursch. He said they were transmitted to the FBI. And the larger question is why the fuck is any info going to the FBI about teachers who don't want the clot shot? Are you tired of being a dumbass, yet? I mean, dude, you've embarrassed yourself with every moronic statement and spin you tried to make. Smarter men would cut their losses.
@goaded "their fingerprints are sent with that flag to the FBI" That's a quote. They're not sent to the FBI as Standard Practice of becoming a teacher. So quit being a moron. I guess you're not going to cut your losses and will continue to be an idiot.
What has this to do with elections? I'll play, though.
Don't you think it's funny that Fox News didn't confirm the claim? Note the "reportedly" in the title. Not to mention the use of alleged in "concerned about the alleged overreach". Looks to me like Fox News thinks it's bullshit too. Bet you a dollar it will turn out to be false.
Daaaamn he is straight up showing you how the FBI has fingerprinted these teachers because they didn't take a certain medical procedure and that doesn't bother you goaded?
@Juxtapose No, it doesn’t bother him. To him no amount of fascism is too much to satisfy his mass formation psychosis. But since he keeps bringing up Fox News, he must watch it religiously.
@Juxtapose And thinks the word “reportedly” (meaning it was reported) is the key word. He doesn’t realize that news outlets have to use words like this because they’re scared of being sued (you know, like CNN was by Nick Sandmann). It’s why they’ll use words like ‘allegedly’ when reporting about crimes that are even caught on video.
Well, this is all fun, but for a start where and when do you think those fingerprints were supposedly collected? Are they collected for all teachers? Do you think the schools fingerprint teachers that they fire? Don't you think that sounds absurd?
I think it's far more likely that it's bullshit from a lawyer who's going to be disbarred soon. Let's come back to it in a week or two.
@goaded I stated specifically when they were collected. But as usual, you're getting stuck on some autistic specificity rather than trying to explain the point of why anyone's information needs to be sent to the FBI in their "permanent record" for refusing to take a clot-shot?
@goaded i said they are collected and not transmitted to the FBI as a course of action. Everyone knows that teachers have to have background checks where they're sent cross-referenced to FBI databases but not sent to the FBI on file. There's a distinct difference between those two acts.
Oh, everybody knows that, do they? You never said that before. So, the schools have the fingerprints on record, is that right? And they're sending them to the FBI if the teacher doesn't get vaccinated?
@goaded If you want to remain ignorant and not read what the link says that’s your business. I really don’t give a fuck. The fact remains you claimed it was a “lie” and I had the receipt proving you’re full of shit (again).
WHICH LINK? You never said when fingerprints were taken, you never said when they were sent to the FBI, you are full of it. And, by the way, this is all a distraction from your original opinion which has been shown to be BS.
@goaded REad back, moron. I’m not scrolling back for you. And no, my original point hasn’t been disproven by anyone. Repressing information damaging to a candidate to help that candidate get elected makes an election fraudulent. End of story.
stop driving people to the poles who otherwise would be too lazy to go. these same people have no struggles getting to the liquor store. Imagine if republicans did this? the left would be going bananas
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They cannot win fairly, and they are bad at election fraud so possibly nothing but winning in spite of these problems might satisfy them.
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They know it is fair, they just can't accept being losers.
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Does the left intentionally forget their history or do they actually forget it? You've been denying election results for damn near my lifetime. Quit with the self righteousness.
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