Should presidents be allowed to bully VPs to throw the election?

[OddBeMe]

I found this quote incredible.

Yes

No

[msc545]

No, of course not. Pence did the right thing by refusaing to do what Trump wanted. I am glad Trump tried it because it provides more evidence in his pending trial for sedition.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. And now he’s sorrowfully trying to sell himself to Trump voters to get his next job. It’s really sad.

[msc545]

Somehow for some reason l don't particularly feel bad about this

[Juxtapose]

Could just be another guy with an axe to grind for all I know 🤷‍♂️

[goaded]

You might like to google Woodward and Bernstein. Never heard of Watergate?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded I don't really care who he is man, I just know that these mainstream people are ignoring every little bad thing Biden is doing and hyper focusing on Trump even though Biden is currently the president -_-

This would be like if Obama focused on nothing but Bush and never took responsibility for his own presidency.

[goaded]

Woodward was the journalist Trump gave interviews to, including the one where he explained that Covid was airborne in February 2020 (five months before Trump first wore a mask in public, although he was certainly wearing them behind the scenes).

All those Biden failures like: All-time job creation records? Groundbreaking passage of prescription drug benefits nobody could get done for a generation? A revived NATO? The most diversity among federal judges ever? Incredible investments in climate and COVID shots in arms in what might have been the most successful mass vaccination program in history, all in the face of a right-wing machine lying non-stop about so-called dangers that didn't exist?

[Juxtapose]

If they knew covid was airborne then they would also know the masks are useless.

Your second paragraph actually disgusts me so I will address a few of those points.

You mean like how he destroyed the keystone pipeline jobs?

Not really impressed with that, he should have instituted universal healthcare.

NATO is bad lol. Power needs to be fragmented, not centralized more.

"Diversity" means nothing to me unless it is diversity of ideas. I don't think having different skin tones amounts to anything dude.

You mean the vaccination campaign where they lied constantly and experimented on people and also the fake climate hysteria?

The right wing has actually been a lot more honest than the left wing in these years. Quite a far cry from the Bush years.

The Hunter Biden laptop cover up ordered by Biden himself, the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal, the totalitarian vax program, pushing child grooming like never before, his diary where he showers with his own daughter and being demented as fuck and used as a puppet.

[goaded]

What a crock.

12,000 temporary jobs among 12,000,000 new jobs, including "800,000 good-paying manufacturing jobs, the fastest growth in 40 years"?

If a president could have "instituted universal healthcare", it would have happened in the 1990s under Clinton. The reason you don't have it is purely and simply Republican opposition to the whole idea. They wouldn't even vote for Obamacare, which was the Republican counter-proposal to universal health care in the 1990s.

NATO is good. It ensures that relatively small countries can live in peace, secure from attack by their neighbours.

Diversity in the federal judiciary also includes "jurists, public defenders, prosecutors, in the private sector, in the military, and as public servants at all levels of government".

The vaccination campaign worked; many more people got sick and died of covid in Trump-won counties than Biden ones. Global warming (even the Republican wordsmith who suggested they use "climate change" to describe the phenomenon regrets it now) is real and accelerating. You've been lied to for decades.

Trump's Republican party? Honest? LOL. Just the lies about the election would have changed your mind, if you weren't part of a cult.

Your tor**** of lies disgust me. If you declare half the population are paedophiles, you're obviously deluded. Like with election fraud, all the actual proven cases are right-wing. If you think Biden is a puppet or incapable of thinking for himself, you obviously haven't watched his SOTU address or the WHCD.

[OddBeMe]

Oh @Juxtapose baby, you really have a lack of history knowledge. Literally the Trump presidency and the Nixon presidency could align with surprising similarities. And Woodward (this ax guy up there) broke the story on Nixon.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I don't really trust you two and your ability to gauge truth given that you believe the covid lockdowns were the right way to go, you can be a woman if you just think it, children can consent to having their body me sterilized and mutilated and taking the vaccine along with a mask is "safe and effective." All these heart problems people are having? Totally not the fault of the vaccines!

Trump has been framed and targeted with so much bullshit I don't believe people are acting in good faith against him. He stood up to the establishment and they don't like that so they're trying to get rid of him.

[Juxtapose]

*body be sterilized

[goaded]

The fact that you seem to believe those lies says more about you than me. Specifically that you don't understand what you're talking about.

Why do you believe covid lockdowns weren't the right way to go?

Why do you believe trans people are "just thinking" they're trans?

Why do you believe children are being sterilised, other than using your bogus claim that 18 year olds are children?

Why do you believe vaccines aren't massively safer (including for your heart) than catching the virus?

Trump has not "been framed", he's just (figuratively) been allowed to get away with murder all his life and now justice is finally coming to him. He should have been indicted for the ten counts of obstruction documented in the Mueller report the day he left office. He really did ask Georgia officials to cheat in the election. He really did take part in a conspiracy to steal the presidency, culminating in failing to oversee the peaceful transfer of power in your nation's history. He really did know that the election was fair and the claims he was making had been debunked, even by two companies he hired to look into it, not to mention every state in the Union.

[Juxtapose]

I'm not going to waste my time debunking the same shit over and over. I have literally shown you proof several times at the Boston Children's Hospital has conducted these awful procedures on minors and yet you choose to still believe the same lie. I'm not doing this.

[Juxtapose]

*that the

[goaded]

I also have no wish to talk about your fantasies that any operations that aren't otherwise allowed for reasons other than being trans are going on there, or that they're happening on a whim.

Then let's talk about why you think covid lockdowns weren't the right way to go.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded right wing entrenchment. They can never be wrong.

[goaded]

And there's no grey areas.

[Juxtapose]

I'm a classical liberal but because you guys are so far left everything right of fucking Stalin and Mao seems conservative to you.

[goaded]

So you can admit when you're wrong?

[Juxtapose]

Well like any other human being, if you can really convince me I am wrong then sure.

But also like any other human being, I'm not so easy to convince. I have reasons for believing what I do and I am wary of scam tactics such as attempting to pedal the pseudoscience as real science.

Thinking in your head you are a woman does not biologically make you a woman. There are some people now saying biological sex does not exist.

youtube.com/.../UgkxZbQ99KNm-zO8LtOvZnKXGnpN_tOjw9mm

People like that guy in the clip? Those are the people who are going to kill the left. I am trying desperately to save the left from itself.

[goaded]

"Thinking in your head you are a woman does not biologically make you a woman."

OK, but "real science" can examine the structure of people's brains now, and it shows that the structure of trans people's brains more closely match the typical for their preferred gender than that of the sex they were born with.

It's not just "thinking" you're a woman if you've got a (typically) woman's brain in your head, is it?

(You're just going to ignore the covid lockdown and vaccine things?)

[Juxtapose]

Thinking like a woman does not make you a woman. That's a man with too much estrogen in their system or some weird wiring in their brain.

As for the lockdown, I don't think the government should have that power even in most emergencies. The government should be the bitch of the individual, the individuals should not be the bitch of the government.

And those vaccines were a scam by big pharma to make a whole bunch of money and now they're going to make a whole bunch of money more treating vaccine injuries.

[Juxtapose]

Oh and by the way, a lot of these trans people that say they are women? They act awfully aggressive and masculine for "women".

[goaded]

So you're saying women have "weird wiring in their brain"? Your brain is who you are, it's where your identity is.

There were dozens of different "lockdowns" of various sorts, none of them, afaik, came from the federal government. All the science shows that they saved lives. Society has a right to have its elected representatives (the government) protect it from people who don't care if they harm others. You don't get to drive over the speed limit or on the wrong side of the road without consequences, do you?

Again, real science shows that the covid vaccines made it far less dangerous to catch the virus and were themselves far less dangerous than catching the virus.
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7114e1.htm

[Juxtapose]

@goaded you still trust the CDC? Do you also trust the FBI and CIA? What about the FDA?

These are not reliable sources man.

[Juxtapose]

www.wsj.com/.../the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

www.google.com/.../

www.google.com/.../

[Juxtapose]

The vaccines are still undergoing human testing, on the global population. This is insanely irresponsible.

For one booster they were pushing? It was tested on only eight mice.

[goaded]

It was not irresponsible, as proven by the fact that you're far less likely to die if you've been vaccinated. And even the extremely rare side effects of the vaccine are far more likely to occur from infection with the virus.

How much testing do you think they do on flu vaccines every year? web.archive.org/.../

[goaded]

Sorry, I missed the first two responses. Yes, I trust the CDC, partly because they are not the only source of information about the vaccines, other countries have scientists, too.

The news links include two referring to the much touted "Johns Hopkins" study that was written by economists, and the other article was also written by an economist. My question to you is, even if their results were accurate (they're disputed), isn't it better to try to save lives than do nothing?

[OddBeMe]

@goaded I love when non scientists tell us that actual scientists are irresponsible. Reminds me of the heady days of the hadron collider and people thinking it turn earth into a black hole. Lol.

[Juxtapose]

Appeal to authority fallacy.

There's nothing scientific about this vaccine when they shut down any debate about it, sorry. That's not how science works.

You're also supposed to have long-term testing for things like this, oops!

[Juxtapose]

And you're not also supposed to maliciously and intentionally change death certificates to fraudulently represent a covid death. You guys really don't smell anything fishy with this?

[Juxtapose]

You really think big pharma benefiting from this is just some wild coincidence? You don't think anyone is compromised by all that big pharma money?

[Juxtapose]

Like uh.. Mr. "The Science" himself?

[goaded]

You think there wasn't scientific debate about the vaccine? Why?

Its effectiveness and side effects were closely monitored, how else do you think you found out about them? Have you considered that accepting only some of what the CDC says and rejecting things you don't like might be where you're going wrong?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded no lol, there was not really much at all.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose there was actually debate and JnJ took there vax off the market because of issues SCIENCE found.

[Juxtapose]

More like they figured it was so dangerous that they couldn't cover it up within reason. People in the deep state are careful to make sure the sheep are comfortable enough to not rebel.

[OddBeMe]

And what evidence is that based on? Because I have links of Jama and other scientific articles showing only slight increase in clots, yet fda took it off the market.