Why are so many young, healthy people suddenly dying?

[Siri137]

They even have an official title for it: SADS, or 'Sudden Adult Death Syndrome'. What's really sad about this is that they'll consider virtually any bizarre hypothesis in order to account for what's going on here, except for one. People under 40 are dropping dead like flies.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/what-is-sads-healthy-young-people-dying-from-sudden-adult-death-syndrome/news-story/97a476dd99caaf638cd1c15baabbc5d4

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10895067/Doctors-trying-determine-young-people-suddenly-dying.html

Did someone say "vaccines"? Shh... we never discuss that possibility! It's verboten!

The cause of this is whatever the government tells us it is. Because, you know, they're completely trustworthy.

It's just inexplicable. We'll never know, so stop talking about it.

The cause is supernatural. Yes, that's it, it's supernatural. :)

"Fake news, fake news!"

It's obviously Trump's fault.

Putin is to blame, because he's a white, Christian, masculine male, and those people are to blame for everything.

Um... vaccines?

Updates

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Links to other sources because, admittedly, 'The Daily Mail' and 'News' weren't the best.

expose-news.com/.../

stevekirsch.substack.com/.../this-one-graph-tells-you-everything

newstarget.com/...crease-average-death-totals.html

[Anonymous]

If you actually read the article you posted instead of jumping to anti-vax conspiracy theories you'd know it's due to a genetic disorder and has been happening well before covid.

"The US-based SADS Foundation says they are “genetic heart conditions that can cause sudden death in young, apparently healthy, people”.

The most common SADS conditions include genetic arrhythmia syndromes such as long QT syndrome, catecholaminergic polymorphic ventricular tachycardia (CPVT) and Brugada syndrome, according to the RACGP."

“SADS conditions occur because the electrical system of the heart is not working properly, so that the heart beats with an abnormal rhythm,” the SADS Foundation says. “These conditions can be treated and deaths can be prevented.”

In the US, approximately 210,000 people die suddenly and unexpectedly each year due to sudden cardiac arrest, according to the American Heart Association."

here, i'll repost your article for you since you obviously didn't read it.
www.news.com.au/.../97a476dd99caaf638cd1c15baabbc5d4

But don't let pesky facts get in the way of your delusional, alternate reality conspiracy theories. 🙄

[Siri137]

Well... no. Now, without meaning to sound like a "conspiracy theorist", the trend in deaths has only been noticed since the so-called pandemic of just a couple of years ago, and the explanation given above, the one that you obviously think is correct because... well, that's the "official" explanation at the moment, is just one possibility.
Other conditions, ones completely unrelated to this particular story, are also said to be "genetic" when the actual cause remains unknown, but (and once again, sounding like a "conspiracy theorist" in your view) the term "genetic" is often misleading and just plain wrong, because environmental factors, for example, are the actual cause.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your complacency and belief that you're absolutely certain the vaccines could not possibly be the reason for the sudden and quite dramatic INCREASE in cases like this since they were mandated. (eyeroll)

[SaoirseS]

@Anonymous. Add to that LP-PLA2, which is genetic and can be/should be tested for in those with a family history of it. Also add to that overexertion incidents, undiagnosed obstructive or cental sleep apnea which is a silent killer (especially in men of all ages), recreational drug use, etc. In my area of 2.4 Million there has been no perceptible uptick in death cases among the young (specifically under 45), although there have been more teen suicide cases over the past two years. I'm not going to get into the vaccine debate, other than to say I've seen no evidence of it one way or the other. Vaccine information does not go on death certificates, and cause/manner of death in individual death cases is not public business.

[Siri137]

"Dr Paratz said that from a public health perspective, combating SADS was 'not as easy as everyone in Australia getting genetically screened' as scientists were still not 100 per cent clear on 'what genes cause this'."
A quote from the second linked article. You know, the one you didn't read.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ple-suddenly-dying.html
They're just assuming the cause is genetic, but if you're able to actually read between the lines there, you'll clearly see they don't have a clue!

[Opinion Owner]

So you didn't even read your own article and just jumped to conspiracy theories like i said? omg. 🙄

there's no new increase in SADS deaths and the articles you posted didn't even say that. post statistics from a credible source showing the increase in cases.

everything else you're saying is baseless speculation, conjecture, and conspiracy theories.

Do you have any proof from a credible source this is caused by covid vaccines? if you don't, you're a conspiracy theorist.

No evidence deaths from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome are really caused by Covid-19 vaccines
fullfact.org/online/covid19-vaccine-sads-deaths/

[Siri137]

"... there's no new increase in SADS deaths..."
Yes, there is.
www.spectator.com.au/.../
You'll probably say "that's not a credible source" of course.

[Siri137]

You accuse me of "not reading my own linked articles", but have you even bothered to do so yourself? The one you link above (the 'FullFact' one) clearly states, in clear black and white, that "According to the British Heart Foundation, the term is used to describe deaths from cardiac arrest where the cause cannot be determined."
CANNOT BE DETERMINED. Do you know what those words mean? Yes? No? In other words, SADS is an umbrella term used to describe something they haven't a clue about, and as much is said within both your links and mine.

[Opinion Owner]

Your spectator article says these deaths are on the rise, but never cites a source. Then it says sads deaths have been increasing in recent weeks but doesn't cite a source nor does it say how much it's been increasing by. Any increase could just be statistical noise. but we don't know because the article is so poorly sourced. Also the article is nearly one year old. so have sads deaths been increasing since that time or leveled off?

Lol, try again.

[Opinion Owner]

Cannot be determined and caused by covid vaccines are two different things. Again, do you have any evidence from a credible source sads deaths are caused by covid vaccines? If not, you're a conspiracy theorist.

[goaded]

"Your spectator article says these deaths are on the rise" It doesn't even say that, it says
"***Reports*** of SADS have been increasing in recent weeks".

[Siri137]

"Cannot be determined, and caused by Covid vaccines, are two different things" - Hey, we agree on this at least! :)
Yes, I know. And you may also note that at no point in this discussion of ours, or in the original question, did I actually make the claim that the vaccines were for sure causing this. The truth is that we don't know, but what we DO know is that we shouldn't rule out the possibility that one or more of the vaccines are responsible for this increase in deaths, but if some people had their way we wouldn't even be allowed to consider that possibility. Now, WHY would they be so reluctant to discuss this?
Dialogue should be free and open, and all I'm doing here is drawing attention to the reluctance on the part of many (especially in the media) to consider the possibility that maybe the vaccines that were mandated for us weren't as good as they were made out to be.

[Siri137]

@goaded You think the reports are inaccurate?

[goaded]

" @goaded You think the reports are inaccurate? "
No, they're accurate, but I don't think they'd have been reported in national news if they'd happened four years ago. Don't forget, you have no way of knowing if the deceased had had the vaccine, covid itself, both, or neither. The science shows that there are more side-effects of catching the virus than having the vaccine.

If I told you car registration numbers have started to include the digit 1 more often than 9, I bet you'd see a lot of examples. It doesn't mean it wasn't always the case.

[OddBeMe]

The cause is…under scientific review. Funny how it’s only in countries with good gun control. Maybe the US shoots our kids before they die of SADS. Lol

https://heart.bmj.com/content/92/3/316

[Genie23]

I get what you mean. I've seen it happen around me too and lately I've heard many young people as young as 19 year olds dying of heart attack and they were all fit sort of people. Who worked out often. Had a lean/fit body. Not obese. Some of them even passed out during workout and soon died. Same with some celebrities in my country who passed away between the age of 30-45 suddenly one night. They were all into fitness.

I cannot understand what is causing these sudden death but then again every individuals case was different. Maybe some of them had heart issues from years but never got themselves checked and pushing their body to the extreme caused it while some couldn't handle the after effects of COVID which made them weaker after getting infected and some couldn't cope up with the vaccines while others are perfectly fine after vaccines.

[Genie23]

Some of my loved ones are facing lot of health issues since getting themselves vaccinated so I hope and pray they will become healthy again. It's a scary thought though how some of the people got affected badly by few shots.

[Genie23]

Thank you!

[goaded]

The website of the SADS Foundation has been around for over a quarter century, here it is from 1996.

Just because you haven't heard of it before doesn't mean it's new

https://web.archive.org/web/19961223141647/http://sads.org/

"Facts about SADS conditions
Each year in the United States, approximately 210,000 Americans die suddenly and unexpectedly due to Sudden Cardiac Arrest. (American Heart Association 2017)
10-12% of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) cases are due to Long QT Syndrome
LQTS is now known to be 3 times more common in the US than childhood leukemia
1 in 200,000 high school athletes in the US will die suddenly, most without any prior symptoms—JAMA 1996; 276"

[Siri137]

Yes, but why over the last two years have there been a dramatic INCREASE in cases? And we're not talking about SIDS here, which affects infants, but a condition, or range of conditions, that affect fully-grown, healthy adults. What you're trying to do here is "muddy the waters", by introducing facts that are completely irrelevant to the topic.

[goaded]

I'm not trying to muddy the waters, I'm trying to avoid being misled.

For a start, has there really been "a dramatic increase in cases"? Here are a couple of links to the numbers for the UK. The numbers fluctuate, from 70 in 2016, down to 34 in 2017 and up to 100 in 2021.

Bear in mind that's among a population of about 67 million and spread over a fairly wide range of ages. I try not to worry too much about one in a million chances.

www.ons.gov.uk/.../suddenadultdeaths2016to2021
www.ons.gov.uk/.../suddenadultdeathsyndromestatisticsfromjanuarytojune2022

[BeMuse]

They took the experiment COVID vaccines against all of our warnings and signed waiver that said they had no legal rights because they want to be a popular kid.

[Summeroflove]

Well. I know some don’t like to say it. But definitely seems the vaccines have something to do with jr

[KostasKouvalis]

This is actually my first time hearing about this. Big surprise there

[Anonymous]

Yeah it's sad i lost my best buddy he was 32 heart attack...😭

[Siri137]

Sorry :'(
Yes, heart-attacks is how they're happening, to people who have no prior issues, no health concerns. It's happening to athletes!

[Opinion Owner]

Yes ma'am n surprisingly it's happened with very High fitness follow people 😭

[goaded]

Sorry to hear about your friend. Had he caught Covid at any point?

[Opinion Owner]

Nah not for covid but he took so much steroids for fitness...

[Opinion Owner]

In this days it's fashion to say every death happened because of covid vaccine... lol

[Andres77]

because they don't listen to their parents?

[Anonymous]

Likely vaccines.